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2007, August 20th Chatlog: Pre-GoMe/All Guilds Meeting #1

Original threads can be found here:

http://forums.drcsite.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498&highlight=gom

http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11933&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

(08/20 20:00:03) CAGrayWolf: Shorah Montgomery
(08/20 20:00:03) Whilyam: ...
(08/20 20:00:14) Kato: Yes shorah Montgomery.
(08/20 20:00:21) Ghaelen D'Lareh: shorah Montgomery, thanks for organizing this
(08/20 20:00:22) Montgomery: OK ... who's got the boom box?
(08/20 20:00:22) Thend: Seriously, stop that so they can get on with the meeting or I warn you I'll dance!
(08/20 20:00:22) CAGrayWolf: Please turn the musib OFF.
(08/20 20:00:31) kyashii: Turn the music OFF, it makes people crash in big numbers
(08/20 20:00:45) Paradox: !shorah Montgomery
(08/20 20:01:01) kyashii: To the meeting room!!!!!
(08/20 20:01:08) J'anim Paedet: Hello there Montgomery!
(08/20 20:01:18) From Ravenclaw in Ercana: howdy boss... anything going on lately
(08/20 20:01:26) TCT Stellaflora puts an invisable water cooler in the Auditaurim corridor.
(08/20 20:01:41) Kato gets a cup of water...thanks, Stella.
(08/20 20:01:47) To Ravenclaw in Ercana: -- just the All-Guild Meeting in Kirel right now. Come on by.
(08/20 20:01:53) Whilyam puts an invisible bathtub full of chicken wings next to it
(08/20 20:02:04) J'anim Paedet invisably helps himself
(08/20 20:02:14) Kato picks up a wing
(08/20 20:02:16) Ghaelen D'Lareh laughs and says "yay, food and water!"
(08/20 20:02:35) From Ravenclaw in Ercana: oh ya forgot aout that was toing tonight bue might be busy so I will
(08/20 20:02:36) Thend considers getting some water but, knowing him, would probably end up soaking himself somehow, so just grabs a chicken wing and thanks everybody
(08/20 20:02:37) Whilyam: Speech, speech!
(08/20 20:02:38) TCT Stellaflora puts a vegitarian option on the other side of the chicken wings
(08/20 20:02:42) Montgomery: OK, are we ready to start?
(08/20 20:02:45) MustardJeep places "Food Station" sign over the food written in invisable ink.
(08/20 20:02:47) kyashii cheers
(08/20 20:02:49) Kato: I think so.
(08/20 20:02:52) Animate Rain takes all the wings
(08/20 20:03:04) AtionSong: Where is everyone?
(08/20 20:03:07) CAGrayWolf: Yeah ... let's get this party ... ummm ... meeting started right.
(08/20 20:03:08) Anthony: lets go please
(08/20 20:03:12) Thend looks around for a bit
(08/20 20:03:12) DaytonaKit: auditorium
(08/20 20:03:15) Montgomery: I need a second to scroll through my laggy Age List to see who's here. Stand by.
(08/20 20:03:19) TCT Stellaflora thinks AR will be sick eating a bathtub full of invisable wings
(08/20 20:03:26) Whilyam: You have 57 minutes... Begin!
(08/20 20:03:33) Dalken Starbyne: XD
(08/20 20:03:36) kyashii: do not type /look
(08/20 20:03:39) Paradox: Monty > click on someone near you, it should scroll the list up to the top
(08/20 20:03:43) Thend: Help Montgomery out. Everyone who is here, say 'Squee!'
(08/20 20:03:59) Dalken Starbyne: Squee!
(08/20 20:03:59) kyashii: SQUEE!
(08/20 20:04:00) TCT Stellaflora: Before this meeting starts, is it OK if I walk about occasionaly to take picture for The Archiver?
(08/20 20:04:00) Whilyam: All events at this meeting occur in real time...
(08/20 20:04:02) DaytonaKit: squee
(08/20 20:04:02) MustardJeep: Squee!
(08/20 20:04:02) CAGrayWolf: Squee!
(08/20 20:04:05) melodilynn: and if you're not here, what should you say?
(08/20 20:04:06) Kato: ...I tend to say "Squee!" regardless of who I'm helping :D
(08/20 20:04:07) Animate Rain: Squee!
(08/20 20:04:08) From moirajane: when will q"s be?
(08/20 20:04:14) TCT Stellaflora: Squee!
(08/20 20:04:17) DaytonaKit: Quees!
(08/20 20:04:19) Montgomery: Lynnutte?
(08/20 20:04:25) Ian A. Pertwee: Squee!
(08/20 20:04:26) Garymuc: me ghost
(08/20 20:04:26) Thend: SQUEE!
(08/20 20:04:27) Whilyam: 56:44 ... 56: 43 ... 56:42
(08/20 20:04:27) Andros: Squee!
(08/20 20:04:27) Javier: Squee!
(08/20 20:04:30) J'anim Paedet: squee!
(08/20 20:04:32) kyashii: SQUEE!!!!
(08/20 20:04:40) To moirajane: did you get the KI-mail I just sent?
(08/20 20:04:43) Sparrowhawk: squee
(08/20 20:04:44) From moirajane: yes
(08/20 20:04:51) [Relayer] Kerryth: Squee?
(08/20 20:04:58) Anthony: the news waits for no man so let get going
(08/20 20:04:58) Thend: Suqee.
(08/20 20:05:02) From TCT Stellaflora: Is it OK if I occasionaly wander about taking pictures for "The Archiver"?
(08/20 20:05:17) Montgomery: OK! Welcome. Thank you all for coming. 'll appologize in advance for the shortness of this meeting -- my lunch hour.
(08/20 20:05:21) Aura: Squee
(08/20 20:05:25) DaytonaKit scrolls through the list of age players and chuckles at some of the names
(08/20 20:05:26) To TCT Stellaflora: sure!
(08/20 20:05:33) From TCT Stellaflora: Thanks :)
(08/20 20:05:39) Thend takes offense
(08/20 20:05:47) Uli: Hi Lalune, lange nicht mehr gesehen
(08/20 20:05:52) Garymuc feels guildy
(08/20 20:05:54) Montgomery: I'd like to introduce moirajane, our Moderator.
(08/20 20:06:00) Hordath: hi altyd
(08/20 20:06:00) TCT Stellaflora wonders what Thend would want with a fence in D'ni
(08/20 20:06:00) kyashii claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:03) Thend claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:07) kyashii claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:10) [Relayer] Kerryth claps her hands
(08/20 20:06:13) Ghaelen D'Lareh waves at moirajane
(08/20 20:06:17) Aura claps her hands
(08/20 20:06:17) Sparrowhawk claps her hands
(08/20 20:06:17) Leonardo claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:19) J'anim Paedet claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:21) Dalken Starbyne claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:22) Kato claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:22) Animate Rain claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:23) Javier claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:26) Stephen C. claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:27) Ian A. Pertwee claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:29) Zirrus claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:30) moirajane: hello everyone
(08/20 20:06:31) Altydwarber: shorah all
(08/20 20:06:32) Garymuc bows
(08/20 20:06:34) Montgomery: In a bit I'll start discussions, so she will be a huge help in making that flow smoothly.
(08/20 20:06:34) TCT Stellaflora claps his hands
(08/20 20:06:37) DaytonaKit wabes.
(08/20 20:06:38) melodilynn apologizes in advance for stepping on people due to lag
(08/20 20:06:41) IBnetweasel gives a thumbs up to moira
(08/20 20:06:59) Montgomery: Thanks to all of the reps who came to represent their guilds/groups. I won't waste time singling them out.
(08/20 20:07:03) From Zedra: MJ and I will be sharing the moderating duties, and we are coordinating on skype.
(08/20 20:07:14) Montgomery: Is Pryftan here?
(08/20 20:07:26) From Zedra: do you want MJ to announce how to ask questions?
(08/20 20:07:37) Thend: Dunno. Ask the guy in charge ;)
(08/20 20:07:40) Montgomery: Oh -- Zedra is allso Moderating. So thank you both.
(08/20 20:07:50) Zedra bows
(08/20 20:07:55) Montgomery: Would the Mods please explain how you would like us to do this?
(08/20 20:08:00) MustardJeep: Doesn't "look" like it.....
(08/20 20:08:08) Garymuc claps his hands
(08/20 20:08:08) Whilyam: Pryftan is not here
(08/20 20:08:24) melodilynn takes a stroll through her age players list
(08/20 20:08:26) moirajane: Would everyone please pm Zedra with the word question
(08/20 20:08:45) moirajane: she will put you on a first come /first served list
(08/20 20:08:55) Whilyam: I will when I have a question ;)
(08/20 20:09:01) Swimmery4: Now, even if we dont have a question?
(08/20 20:09:01) moirajane: also please have your questions pre-typed
(08/20 20:09:37) Garymuc doesn't know what his question will be, yet
(08/20 20:09:50) Montgomery: OK. COol. I think this will work.
(08/20 20:10:01) From Anthony: what are we group reps going to end up doing
(08/20 20:10:03) moirajane: (remember to put /shout before your question)
(08/20 20:10:10) Montgomery: Does anyone have any questions about why we are here? Did you all read the topic?
(08/20 20:10:24) AtionSong: a brief summary would be nice
(08/20 20:10:31) CAGrayWolf: It helps to have all attending move closer to the stage.
(08/20 20:10:34) To Anthony: asnwer questions if any, and make suggestions if you have any.
(08/20 20:10:45) Swimmery4: What AtionSong said
(08/20 20:11:06) Swimmery4: OW OW OW lol
(08/20 20:11:12) Relayer Corps: Lol
(08/20 20:11:21) Ghaelen D'Lareh nudges Thend
(08/20 20:11:22) Montgomery: OK, basically I had a conversation with Reteltee about finding a way to promote cooperation between and among all guilds and groups. He agreed.
(08/20 20:11:22) From TCT Stellaflora: Should Zebda satand next to you to make clinking on Zebda easyer?
(08/20 20:11:26) melodilynn obediently takes a front row seat
(08/20 20:11:31) Thend nudges back lol
(08/20 20:12:08) Montgomery: I also have some ideas about leadership and the future of the guilds.
(08/20 20:12:08) Swimmery4: Getting cozy in here :)
(08/20 20:12:26) Montgomery: OK, I'l just sart.
(08/20 20:12:50) moirajane: (When you HAVE a question, please PM Zedra with the word Question)
(08/20 20:12:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: can everyone sit, please?
(08/20 20:13:07) Montgomery: Sonce the main 5 guilds don't really exist (except the Greeters), I was thinking we could form what I'm calling "pre-guilds"
(08/20 20:13:08) WeebaccaJr kneels down...
(08/20 20:13:30) Montgomery: It would be the same as wearing the t-shirt -- a way to show support
(08/20 20:13:34) melodilynn: someone is playing with their mic
(08/20 20:13:46) Veralun: brockmaster bitte setz Dich
(08/20 20:13:46) Thend: It's the cones melodi
(08/20 20:13:48) Swimmery4: No, i think thats a cone
(08/20 20:13:55) melodilynn: oh
(08/20 20:13:56) melodilynn: sorry
(08/20 20:14:08) TCT Stellaflora: The Bahro agrees
(08/20 20:14:09) Swimmery4: Dont apologize :)
(08/20 20:14:11) Montgomery: Also a wayto communicate to the group -- a list of interested members and ther KIs
(08/20 20:14:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: it's a conelody
(08/20 20:14:26) Garymuc: cones should be better educated
(08/20 20:14:35) AtionSong: are you going to collect KI number just here now, or in a forum
(08/20 20:14:53) NadeMinogue: forum hopefully
(08/20 20:15:03) Montgomery: There is no actual Guild to join, and no responsibilities or requirements. But we could all join these pre-guilds and feel like we're a part of something. And participate in the formation of the guilds.
(08/20 20:15:03) Thend: (Please PM Zedra with the word QUESTION if you have a question, thx)
(08/20 20:15:58) Montgomery: I'll leave collecting KIs and names to the guilds themselves. I'm nobody special, just a guy with a lot of ideas. MustardJeep came up with this idea, and is doing it for the Maintainers.
(08/20 20:16:41) Montgomery: I also have some ideas about leadership.
(08/20 20:16:58) Montgomery: Let me give a quick historical background. If I may.
(08/20 20:17:26) Whilyam: Whew... windy here...
(08/20 20:17:27) Swimmery4: Ok, thats a mic :)
(08/20 20:17:33) TCT Stellaflora covers hi ears
(08/20 20:17:34) melodilynn: yes, that's a mic!
(08/20 20:17:44) Whilyam: that's a cone
(08/20 20:17:45) Sti 'in: Oww my ears
(08/20 20:17:50) mookiethefourth: Owchie
(08/20 20:17:56) Swimmery4: The sky is up and the floor is down
(08/20 20:17:59) Montgomery: As I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong) the D'ni had a King and the Guilds. Andpower was balanced between them. Then when there was no King, the Guilds formed "The 5" and that's when things fell apart.
(08/20 20:18:07) Jishin: Can we get this show on the road? (:
(08/20 20:18:14) melodilynn: we are trying to
(08/20 20:18:35) Whilyam: Things fell apart even with the Kings when they became too prideful.
(08/20 20:18:45) Anthony: y
(08/20 20:18:54) Whilyam: The Guilds were only the last form of pride that killed D'ni.
(08/20 20:19:00) Ian A. Pertwee: (I think things went quite well with the five, but then I don't think of the D'ni as so terrible and wicked as most)
(08/20 20:19:01) Montgomery: True, Whilyam. BUt the power vacuum excellerated it.
(08/20 20:19:01) From Dalken Starbyne: King Kerath formed the basis of "The 5" system when he stepped down as King.
(08/20 20:19:01) Anthony: ya but never quit as bad
(08/20 20:19:19) melodilynn: too many bosses
(08/20 20:19:25) Whilyam: Perhaps, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have happened with a king.
(08/20 20:19:33) From Dalken Starbyne: :)
(08/20 20:19:35) Whilyam: See Jolatha.
(08/20 20:19:39) Whilyam: And Me'erta.
(08/20 20:19:46) Whilyam: Shomat, etc.
(08/20 20:20:00) Montgomery: Here's my point. A lot of signs point to Ahlsendar returning. And Cate has made a power grab of the DRC, and said she wants the guilds to run the affairs of the cavern.
(08/20 20:20:08) Anthony: the guilds countered Jolatha
(08/20 20:20:14) Anthony: and Me'etra
(08/20 20:20:14) Whilyam nods his head
(08/20 20:20:30) Veralun: sorry guys but is this a meeting to talk about the pro's or contra's from a Guild or are we here for soemthing else?
(08/20 20:20:44) From Relayer Corps: Do you want people to hold their comments till you are done?
(08/20 20:20:50) Altydwarber: let just go on and no discussion between
(08/20 20:20:52) NadeMinogue: but i thought that was the point of the guilds
(08/20 20:21:08) NadeMinogue: so the majority could be heard
(08/20 20:21:09) Montgomery: There will be a 3-way power struggle. The guilds lead by us would balance the King. But do you think Cate will simply step aside? I fear she may try to grab Guild power.
(08/20 20:21:19) melodilynn: just let montgomery finish
(08/20 20:21:21) Swimmery4: lets let montgomery say what he has to say w/o interruption, pardoning this one
(08/20 20:21:43) Montgomery: Thank you.
(08/20 20:21:45) From moirajane: Should I ask people to hold Q's until the end?
(08/20 20:22:15) Montgomery: SO, I suggest we don't let individuals run any of the "official " guilds. We use commitees instead. The way the Greeters already do.
(08/20 20:22:16) Paradox: I don't think taht we can say for sure that there will be a struggle, and I think it's needless at this point to presume
(08/20 20:22:28) To moirajane: yes, p-lease
(08/20 20:22:40) Whilyam: I agree.
(08/20 20:22:49) melodilynn agrees with the committee leadership idea
(08/20 20:22:52) From moirajane: You have 40 minutes
(08/20 20:22:54) J'anim Paedet agrees
(08/20 20:23:09) Whilyam: Ultimately the DRC will make a decision on how and who will run the guilds.
(08/20 20:23:15) Montgomery: perhaps, Paradox. But committee leadership is better for many reasons. ANd if we dn't prepare for what seems obvious to me, what will happen when it is too late?
(08/20 20:23:22) Whilyam: They will likely do this based on the work they have done.
(08/20 20:23:26) moirajane: (please hold all questions until the end--thanks)
(08/20 20:23:34) Swimmery4: The best cure is prevention
(08/20 20:23:42) Paradox: I'm not speaking against committee leadership. I agree on the points there :)
(08/20 20:24:29) KL/\RREN: Wenn ja, versuch mal auf 800 mal 600 zu stellen und dann nach kirel zu kommen.
(08/20 20:24:33) KL/\RREN: sorry
(08/20 20:24:35) NadeMinogue: yes so do most of us that way the majority will be represented
(08/20 20:24:37) Relayer Corps: lol
(08/20 20:24:47) Montgomery: My idea in a nutshell: an elected council of 5 or a larger odd number, nominated and elected by the memberships of each guild. ANY member can call for a vote of no confidence at any time.
(08/20 20:25:22) Montgomery: All 5 are equal.
(08/20 20:25:22) From Relayer Corps: Star Wars all over again. lol
(08/20 20:25:44) Whilyam: I like that. No one really has absolute power.
(08/20 20:25:51) From Relayer Corps: Sorry. i had to say it.
(08/20 20:25:52) AtionSong: Would elections occur on a regular basis, or would members be elected until they choose to step down?
(08/20 20:25:54) Kato: Yes, good idea.
(08/20 20:26:04) Montgomery: Details can be worked out later. There has been a lot of discussion on this in the Maintainers thread on the MOUL forum, if you want to read them.
(08/20 20:26:05) J'anim Paedet nods
(08/20 20:26:17) moirajane: (Please hold your questions until the end)
(08/20 20:26:23) Whilyam: Now to begin the voting on voting jokes...
(08/20 20:26:29) Montgomery: Details, AtionSong. Up to the members.
(08/20 20:26:35) Montgomery: I'll take questions, now.
(08/20 20:26:41) adox: No offense intended, but I don't think other guilds will take kindly to you "enforcing" a structure on them
(08/20 20:26:50) moirajane: Starvogen is first
(08/20 20:26:54) melodilynn was thinking the same thing
(08/20 20:26:58) Whilyam: Yes, let's form these groups and then work out the details.. it will avoid the issues with the liaisions.
(08/20 20:27:00) Swimmery4: It's just a suggested structure, paradox
(08/20 20:27:04) Relayer Corps: What would be the purpose of having pre-guilds if they don't do anything?
(08/20 20:27:05) moirajane: Kato is after Star
(08/20 20:27:09) Relayer Corps: sorry
(08/20 20:27:18) Relayer Corps: habit
(08/20 20:27:23) Montgomery: Starvogen?
(08/20 20:27:26) moirajane: Kato you're up
(08/20 20:27:35) Kato: Thanks.
(08/20 20:27:53) Kato: Sorry, I don't have mine typed, I didn't think it would go to me so fast, give me a second please.
(08/20 20:27:54) moirajane: Kato is next
(08/20 20:28:31) Montgomery: NP -- After I leave, please feel free to continue the discussions. I'll go AFK and continue to log.
(08/20 20:28:57) moirajane: (Relayer Corps is up after Kato)
(08/20 20:29:02) Swimmery4: in the future, for everyone who wants to ask something, have it pre-typed for when you're called
(08/20 20:29:24) moirajane: thanks Swimmery :)
(08/20 20:29:25) Kato: A lot of us I'm sure (I know me and my group have) have been wanting to start guilds and may or may not be far into this process--but we're confused about if we'll be accepted by the community, or by the DRC. We fear being rejected. Personaly, I think whoever claims to start the Guild first should be in charge of it.
(08/20 20:29:54) Whilyam: Pre-guild.
(08/20 20:30:12) Whilyam: The DRC will start the genuine guilds.
(08/20 20:30:13) Montgomery: Good point, Kato. THe problem, is, it isn't a race, and just being first hardly makes you the best.
(08/20 20:30:25) moirajane: RElayer Corps you're up
(08/20 20:30:26) Katee: click your mouse Mookie the button is stuck down
(08/20 20:30:29) Relayer Corps: What would be the purpose of having pre-guilds if they don't do anything?
(08/20 20:30:35) mookiethefourth: Oh thx
(08/20 20:31:02) mookiethefourth does a dance
(08/20 20:31:16) Kato: Obviously, Montgomery. But-did the DRC start the Greeters? It was my understanding that they were first founded by explorers, then supported byt the DRC, and are now the only official guild. Is this assumption wrong?
(08/20 20:31:26) Stephen C.: No
(08/20 20:31:28) Montgomery: 1) so they can communicate with each other outside the cavern. 2) a group from which to nominate leaders. 3) a group to do the voting. 4) a group to discuss ideas/make decisions.
(08/20 20:31:38) moirajane: (Please PM Zedra with your questions and then heve them Pre typed)
(08/20 20:31:48) mookiethefourth: Is cate here
(08/20 20:32:00) Swimmery4: No, no DRC members are here
(08/20 20:32:08) Relayer Corps: does that mean the groups making up the guild would loose thier independance?
(08/20 20:32:18) Montgomery: Kato -- my understanding is that the Greeters were not consulted when the DRC chose to make then one of the 5. THey are still unsure if they want to be "official."
(08/20 20:32:42) Kato: Exactly. So why shouldn't we be able to start Guilds without the DRC's approval?
(08/20 20:32:50) CAGrayWolf: Mont ... not true. GoG was consulted and accepted.
(08/20 20:33:02) From Zedra: Please say Next when you're finished answering the question, please?
(08/20 20:33:11) Whilyam: Because the DRC is the one making the Guilds. Whatever anyone else makes will not be the DRC's guilds.
(08/20 20:33:13) Stevecrox: The GoG isn't worried about being offical but that the DRC may try to force them to work differently
(08/20 20:33:16) CAGrayWolf: That is ... we were consulted by Vyan ... not DRC
(08/20 20:33:29) Kato: I hope someone is logging this BTW?
(08/20 20:33:33) CAGrayWolf: Correct Steve
(08/20 20:33:34) moirajane: (did you ask your question?
(08/20 20:33:36) Montgomery: According to graydragon -- there is no guarantee that what we come up with will be accepted in the end. But Cyan would like us to creae the groundwork.
(08/20 20:33:41) Swimmery4: I think mont is logging
(08/20 20:33:59) CAGrayWolf: I'm also logging
(08/20 20:34:05) Relayer Corps: Would the groups making up the pre-guilds loose their independance?
(08/20 20:34:17) Kato: Good. Exactly, Montgomery. So, why whouldn't we start the Guilds now and then be accepted by the DRC later?
(08/20 20:34:27) LucyCat: Has the DRC imposed any requirements on the GOG so far?
(08/20 20:34:28) Kato: Will Reteltee be at the 7PM meeting?
(08/20 20:34:38) Montgomery: No way to know. Perhaps Reteltee can say -- he'll be at the 7pm meetng.
(08/20 20:34:42) melodilynn: what happened to being moderated?
(08/20 20:34:49) melodilynn: and sending questions to Zedra?
(08/20 20:34:51) Kato: Well, I've already consulted Reteltee on this issue.
(08/20 20:34:55) mookiethefourth: Yikes
(08/20 20:35:01) Montgomery: LucyCat -- not that I know of. But I think the DRC changed their official guild color without consulting them.
(08/20 20:35:12) moirajane: Ation Song is up
(08/20 20:35:13) CAGrayWolf: The DRC have never contacted the GoG to my knowledge.
(08/20 20:35:18) Swimmery4: We're still on a question i believe, i think we're open discussing each question
(08/20 20:35:27) mookiethefourth needs a moment to breathe!
(08/20 20:35:29) From Relayer Corps: You will need to support the moderation process if it is to work here.
(08/20 20:35:31) From moirajane: please say next when you are ready for the questions
(08/20 20:35:33) AtionSong: Okay, this is less a question and mroe of a new topic, but here goes
(08/20 20:35:41) Whilyam: ...
(08/20 20:35:43) [Relayer] Kerryth: Please answer Relayer Corps' question.
(08/20 20:35:50) To moirajane: sorry guys!
(08/20 20:35:51) Whilyam: Have your question Pre-Typed.
(08/20 20:35:54) Montgomery: Next question.
(08/20 20:36:01) Relayer Corps: I typed it twice!
(08/20 20:36:04) melodilynn: yes, RC's question got passed over.
(08/20 20:36:05) Zedra: (PLease just pm me the word "Question" and I will put your name in a queue that MoiraJane will then call.)
(08/20 20:36:07) Montgomery: I'm new at this -- sorry if I'm not helping the Mods.
(08/20 20:36:16) moirajane: OK RC is up
(08/20 20:36:28) moirajane: we are new at this too
(08/20 20:36:35) NadeMinogue: it will be both its really up to the guilds i suppose
(08/20 20:36:35) Relayer Corps: Will the groups making up the pre-guilds loose their independance?
(08/20 20:37:11) moirajane: RC could you ask again?
(08/20 20:37:13) Stevecrox: sure;ly thats up to the groups
(08/20 20:37:15) Montgomery: RC, no way of knowing what Cyan will decide. I feel and Reteltee agrees that if there is strng explorer agreement, Cyan will adopt it.
(08/20 20:37:24) Relayer Corps: ty
(08/20 20:37:52) Swimmery4: Next question was asking if membership will be open or closed
(08/20 20:38:12) lor: wow
(08/20 20:38:13) Montgomery: So, if we all strongly agree, for example, that a 5-person council should lead each guild, Cyan is more likely to not iimpose something else.
(08/20 20:38:13) AtionSong: Do people feel that/shout whether people think it should be or not
(08/20 20:38:23) Kato: What did he ask? I can't hear him for some reason. PM it to me please.
(08/20 20:38:24) Reeka: Jo ich glaub mir fallen auch die Augen zu ...N8
(08/20 20:38:41) moirajane: (Kyashii is up next)
(08/20 20:38:46) Montgomery: Membership would be open, I presume.
(08/20 20:39:06) Montgomery: Kyashii?
(08/20 20:39:11) AtionSong: Well, it makes sense for groups like GoG, but what about guilds that involve some sort of skill?
(08/20 20:39:14) Whilyam: Open with more experienced members teaching less experienced. I hope.
(08/20 20:39:19) mookiethefourth salutes
(08/20 20:39:23) mookiethefourth salutes
(08/20 20:39:27) NadeMinogue: 7 or 9 commity members would be an optio n too but more than 9 might be pushing it
(08/20 20:39:35) Whilyam grabs mookie and throws him off the balcony
(08/20 20:39:44) Swimmery4 thanks Whilyam
(08/20 20:39:44) Relayer Corps helps
(08/20 20:39:52) mookiethefourth: Thank you
(08/20 20:40:11) Montgomery: Next question? Or should I go to the next topic?
(08/20 20:40:19) moirajane: (Paradox is up next)
(08/20 20:40:20) Swimmery4 is being constantly reminded this is a game
(08/20 20:40:21) Paradox: "being the first doesn't make you the best"... I don't know... I'm actively working to establish a Guild of Writers, Kato can agree that I've been working with existing groups to try to get the best outcome possible. Now you come here and tell me that I'm doing it wrong and that I should be following your view and waiting for the DRC. The Greeters were all explorer organized; I imagine that other groups can handle that as well.
(08/20 20:40:38) Paradox: Are you saying that our efforts are in vain?
(08/20 20:40:52) moirajane: (THend you are after Paradox)
(08/20 20:40:54) Katee: hear hear!
(08/20 20:41:01) Kato: Yes, Paradox and I and several others have both been working hard on that front.
(08/20 20:41:07) Whilyam: I think that we should form groups, but not call them guilds. The DRC is creating the guilds.
(08/20 20:41:11) Montgomery: Paradox. Absolutely not. Not at all. I'm just here to offer suggestions to as many people as will listen.
(08/20 20:41:11) Kato: *have all been working...
(08/20 20:41:15) NadeMinogue: no the guild of writers would be an exception to that
(08/20 20:41:39) melodilynn: I would think that people would join the guilds where their talents are most suited
(08/20 20:41:45) Montgomery: But should I just assume dictatorial leadership of the Maintainers, because I tried to start that guild back in March?
(08/20 20:41:49) NadeMinogue: gow needs to be all are equil
(08/20 20:41:49) melodilynn: I can't program, so therefor I don't go to the guild of writers
(08/20 20:41:49) AtionSong: Well, I feel like if Cyan already had a system in place, they would have said SOMETHING about it. From their point of view, if we've already come up with a system, it's easier to implement than to create a new one.
(08/20 20:42:01) Whilyam: If we go starting up guilds that appear official we'll have needless confusion when official ones arise.
(08/20 20:42:06) Swimmery4: Mont has said he's giving suggestions, not forcing policy down guilds' throats
(08/20 20:42:14) moirajane: Thend your turn
(08/20 20:42:16) Thend: So, does this leave out anyone not interested in joining the specific 5 Guilds that have been announced by the DRC? Only those can participate? (Btw, isn't a King elected (I personally wouldn't observe the authority of a self-appointed King) - we institute the Guilds as per 'Lexie's instruction to recreate D'ni, we should have to elect a King of D'ni eventually, too, huh? lol)
(08/20 20:42:45) melodilynn refuses to consider electing a king of D'ni
(08/20 20:42:54) Montgomery: Thend, I hope not. That's one of the questions being asked of Reteltee to pass to Cyan.
(08/20 20:42:55) Dani: Oh, won't Lexie be King?
(08/20 20:42:56) moirajane: (TCT Stellaflora is up next)
(08/20 20:42:57) Kato: Agreed, melo.
(08/20 20:43:00) Whilyam: Everyone knows Vort is the Emperor of all D'ni.
(08/20 20:43:00) Relayer Corps refuses to elect Cate anything
(08/20 20:43:01) NadeMinogue: same no king
(08/20 20:43:12) TCT Stellaflora: Not sure if this has been answered already, but will the pre-guilds be including the various existing organisations that fit into the Guild catagory whilst maintainaing their indeviduality? Such as The Cavern Today and the Age Builder forums?
(08/20 20:43:24) Swimmery4: Unless Lexie's had an operation, i dont think she can be king :D
(08/20 20:43:33) Thend: She'd find a way lol
(08/20 20:43:37) Relayer Corps: lol
(08/20 20:43:37) Paradox: lol
(08/20 20:43:43) Whilyam: King Lexie! .. Ai!
(08/20 20:43:46) NadeMinogue: ok were getting off topic
(08/20 20:43:51) Relayer Corps: way off topic
(08/20 20:43:53) Whilyam: Badly..
(08/20 20:43:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh would like people with so many comments to hold just a few of them so more questions can be answered
(08/20 20:44:42) Montgomery: I don't suggest anyone looses anything in joining a pre-guild. It's like putting on a blue t-shirt. But who belongs under which umbrella needs to be decided, and I'm suggesting a pre-guild would be the group to make those decisions.
(08/20 20:44:52) moirajane: (Lucy Cat is up next
(08/20 20:45:06) LucyCat: Is there one place we can go to see what these new guilds are doing? or the people trying to form the new guilds are doing?
(08/20 20:45:17) From moirajane: that is the last person on the list
(08/20 20:45:21) NadeMinogue: the forums are a start
(08/20 20:45:37) LucyCat: which forums though - there are so many
(08/20 20:45:42) From moirajane: also you have 15 minutes
(08/20 20:45:45) Jishin: The MOUL forums.
(08/20 20:45:48) NadeMinogue: 2 in particular come to mind
(08/20 20:45:50) Swimmery4: I would say start with the MOUL ones
(08/20 20:46:01) NadeMinogue: MOUL and AOG
(08/20 20:46:09) CAGrayWolf: Shouldn't Monty be answering these questions?
(08/20 20:46:11) Montgomery: LC - yes! There is a Guilds sub-forum on the MO:UL forums. Also there is a subfrum for each of the "big 5" on the Assembly of Guilds. www.uruguilds.org
(08/20 20:46:14) Relayer Corps: yes
(08/20 20:46:20) TCT Stellaflora: AOG?
(08/20 20:46:30) Montgomery: Yes, TCT
(08/20 20:46:40) Montgomery: OK, before I run out of time.....
(08/20 20:46:41) George (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(08/20 20:47:35) Montgomery: I'm announcing a call for nominations for the Maintainer Council (pre-guild) on te AoG forum. No hurry -- we won't vote for awhile. Just getting the call rolling.
(08/20 20:47:48) Montgomery: *ball.
(08/20 20:48:10) NadeMinogue: 3 i can think of
(08/20 20:48:22) NadeMinogue: u montgumry
(08/20 20:48:23) From Stephen C.: jus letting you know that greydragon approached us to ask us for a diffrent color for the support shirt do to the fact cyan blue was already taken
(08/20 20:48:28) NadeMinogue: Warren
(08/20 20:48:32) NadeMinogue: and MJ
(08/20 20:48:39) Montgomery: Also, there was some talk about the Messengers forming a council to decide on the possible use of the www.guildofmessengers.org site offered by TCT
(08/20 20:48:44) Leonardo: i would add Jishin Nade :)
(08/20 20:48:51) Jishin grins wryly.
(08/20 20:49:02) NadeMinogue: yes i guess jisin too
(08/20 20:49:07) NadeMinogue: lol
(08/20 20:49:12) Jishin: I totally missed the question, only heard Nade's answer. I'm not getting much here.
(08/20 20:49:16) Montgomery: Please -- let's nominate later -- not here.
(08/20 20:49:29) CAGrayWolf: Why were those names listed and for what was being answered?
(08/20 20:49:42) Jishin: I have no idea, CA.
(08/20 20:49:43) Montgomery: Is there anyone here from the Messengers that wants to take the floor and discuss this?
(08/20 20:49:48) Stevecrox: one group didn't want the guildofmessenger.org domain activated yet so I haven't done so
(08/20 20:49:53) Jishin: I'm missing a lot/ /:
(08/20 20:49:55) melodilynn: RC is here
(08/20 20:50:01) Relayer Corps: Discuss using the website?
(08/20 20:50:08) Anthony: I'm here from TCT too
(08/20 20:50:10) melodilynn: if you want messengers, she should be the one
(08/20 20:50:20) Thend nods his head
(08/20 20:50:27) Montgomery: I'll yield the floor, then. Thank you all!
(08/20 20:50:38) Thend thanks you very much!
(08/20 20:50:41) Relayer Corps: ok
(08/20 20:50:42) Zirrus claps his hands
(08/20 20:50:48) LucyCat: Thanks Montgomery
(08/20 20:50:48) moirajane: thank you Montgomery
(08/20 20:50:49) Relayer Corps: Thanks Montgomery
(08/20 20:50:50) Dani claps her hands
(08/20 20:50:52) Leonardo claps his hands
(08/20 20:50:53) Kato: clap
(08/20 20:50:53) J'anim Paedet claps his hands
(08/20 20:50:55) karandara thanks you
(08/20 20:50:55) Kato claps his hands
(08/20 20:50:57) Dalken Starbyne claps his hands
(08/20 20:50:59) Aura claps her hands
(08/20 20:51:00) Zedra claps her hands
(08/20 20:51:01) Animate Rain claps his hands
(08/20 20:51:03) AtionSong: /clap
(08/20 20:51:09) IBnetweasel: yes...thank you Montgomery
(08/20 20:51:14) cwjunior claps his hands
(08/20 20:51:14) From Jishin: I didn't hear you talk at all. ):
(08/20 20:51:19) Kato: Can I have everyone's attention for a moment or does someone else want to speak?
(08/20 20:51:21) Relayer Corps: Ok.
(08/20 20:51:29) From Jishin: were you not shouting?
(08/20 20:51:30) To Jishin: are you outside?
(08/20 20:51:33) Dakro: I think DRC is up now Kato
(08/20 20:51:36) Relayer Corps: This will be for those interested int the Guild of Messengers
(08/20 20:51:37) Dakro: I mean RC
(08/20 20:51:45) Relayer Corps: lol
(08/20 20:51:53) To Jishin: I didn;t know I had too. Sorry!
(08/20 20:51:55) NadeMinogue: lol
(08/20 20:51:58) Kato: Sorry then. Please let me know when I can have the floor. :)
(08/20 20:52:00) Relayer Corps: There was an offer to start up a website for the GOM.
(08/20 20:52:18) moirajane: (Please pm Zedra if you have any questions for RC)
(08/20 20:52:20) NadeMinogue: umm
(08/20 20:52:23) Kato: And er...I apparently can't hear RC, so someone PM me when I can come up please.
(08/20 20:52:24) Relayer Corps: I would like to have a vote on whether we should start this up now, or wait
(08/20 20:52:26) Swimmery4: Dont think thers voice going on
(08/20 20:52:28) Swimmery4: Oops
(08/20 20:52:32) Relayer Corps: I'll come closer
(08/20 20:52:34) Kato: Start what?
(08/20 20:52:35) NadeMinogue: GOMESS
(08/20 20:52:46) Anthony: the GoM website
(08/20 20:52:50) Relayer Corps: Start up a GOM website
(08/20 20:52:52) NadeMinogue: not to confuse with GOMAIN
(08/20 20:52:52) Stevecrox: yes its not happening yet, I control the domain and was offering the server I am not willing to do it unless all the interested groups in Gom are ok with it one is not
(08/20 20:53:09) Relayer Corps: Can you hear me now?
(08/20 20:53:16) Andros: I vote for yes. The sooner we'll have something semi-official the better
(08/20 20:53:31) Relayer Corps: Voting for a GOM website to be started up asap
(08/20 20:53:43) Stevecrox: It was felt if a few people from TCT like myself had control of the forum we would abuse the power so we're stuck in the MOUL forums
(08/20 20:53:55) To Zedra: Question for RC
(08/20 20:54:12) Relayer Corps: I think it's a good idea as long as all news groups have access to it
(08/20 20:54:27) Swimmery4: I dont think you would be abusing power unless you deleted posts only for alternate points of view
(08/20 20:54:28) Relayer Corps: possibly having their own sections
(08/20 20:54:45) From Zedra: gotcha
(08/20 20:54:51) Relayer Corps: any votes against starting the web site?
(08/20 20:54:58) Stevecrox: well Ghaelen is the CCN representative if shes ok with it I'll set it up tonight
(08/20 20:54:58) Stevecrox: if not I won't
(08/20 20:55:07) CAGrayWolf: Personally, I would like to see all this either stay on Moul or on AOG ... keeps it all certral ... without "yet one more forum to read"
(08/20 20:55:13) Relayer Corps: ty for asking her
(08/20 20:55:15) melodilynn agrees with the idea of each news source having their own section
(08/20 20:55:34) Anthony: TCT approves of course
(08/20 20:55:47) Swimmery4: I agree, I think pre-guild talk should stay on the MOUL or AOG forums, then move over to individual ones
(08/20 20:55:54) Relayer Corps: oops
(08/20 20:55:58) Swimmery4: When we have guilds
(08/20 20:56:00) Relayer Corps: sorry thend
(08/20 20:56:02) Ghaelen D'Lareh: sorry, my key was stuck
(08/20 20:56:21) Stephen C.: Bye all
(08/20 20:56:23) Thend: lol np
(08/20 20:56:24) Montgomery: Perhaps instead of making a decision here, it would be better to form a committee to discuss it? Or announce a discussion on the forum?
(08/20 20:56:32) NadeMinogue wants to ask a question...
(08/20 20:56:34) Relayer Corps: If anyone can convince MOUL to create a section for each individual guild, then I'm all for it
(08/20 20:56:47) Relayer Corps: Good point Mont
(08/20 20:57:00) Swimmery4: Great idea Relayer
(08/20 20:57:02) CAGrayWolf: RC ... Alahmnat has already stated the the Moul forums can't handle that.
(08/20 20:57:13) Sti 'in: hoi, ik zit naast je :P
(08/20 20:57:18) Sti 'in: oops
(08/20 20:57:19) Montgomery: RC - they won't. The other issue is goving Mod priveliges to guild leaders. MOUL won't. So AoG is a better choice for that reason/
(08/20 20:57:26) Relayer Corps: then, we're stuck as to having on the MOUL site
(08/20 20:57:26) Thend: (If you have a question, PM Zedra with the word QUESTION, thanks)
(08/20 20:58:03) moirajane: Nade is up next
(08/20 20:58:05) Relayer Corps: we have no choice but to keep our individual sites, or creat a new one for all of us
(08/20 20:58:08) CAGrayWolf: Why not use AoG ... it's is already set up and ready to go ... and supplies the requested needs.
(08/20 20:58:27) Swimmery4: In that case, AOG looks like the best solution
(08/20 20:58:32) Relayer Corps: I like using AOG personally.
(08/20 20:58:44) Relayer Corps: i think we shopuld create a council to discuss this
(08/20 20:59:26) NadeMinogue: ok Relayer Corps question
(08/20 20:59:32) Relayer Corps: I would like to see nominations posted on the AOG site
(08/20 20:59:57) moirajane: (Please PM Zedra with the word Question and you will put on a first come first served list-thx)
(08/20 21:00:12) moirajane: Kerryth is up next
(08/20 21:00:14) [Relayer] Kerryth: Why not let the discussion be open to any one who wants to participate?
(08/20 21:00:16) Relayer Corps: I would also like to see the same number of reps from each group interested in joining
(08/20 21:00:25) Montgomery: Sorry to interrupt. I need to go AFK now. Thank you all again for your coments and for coming. Please continue. ALso, if you can, please come to the 7pm meeting, which will be longer. Reteltee will also be there.
(08/20 21:00:33) Relayer Corps: Thanks Montgomery
(08/20 21:00:40) NadeMinogue: is your group gonna be the base for the guild of messengers
(08/20 21:00:48) From MustardJeep: Check your AoG PM's later ok.....
(08/20 21:00:57) Relayer Corps: What do you mean base?
(08/20 21:01:00) Anthony: Yes I think that should be a requirement only one vote pergroup
(08/20 21:01:26) NadeMinogue: are u the base meaning are u gonna start the messengers
(08/20 21:01:37) Ghaelen D'Lareh: Sorry this reply is so late in coming. Thank you Steve, and RC, but I think any vote here is premature. We don't know what the GOM will be, and figuring that out is what the MOUL Guild Forum is for.
(08/20 21:01:43) Relayer Corps: I will help, but I won't be the only one
(08/20 21:01:44) Anthony: infact I think each media group should get one spot on the council
(08/20 21:01:47) NadeMinogue: or has someone else started it already
(08/20 21:02:03) Relayer Corps: I agree Anthony
(08/20 21:02:09) [Relayer] Kerryth: Why not let the discussion be open to anyone who is interested?
(08/20 21:02:09) CAGrayWolf: Agreed Anthony
(08/20 21:02:20) Ghaelen D'Lareh agrees with Kerryth
(08/20 21:02:23) melodilynn: yes, and a representative of each group should help form the guild
(08/20 21:02:30) Relayer Corps: I think the discussion should be open, but...
(08/20 21:02:44) Relayer Corps: if you get too many people involved, nothing gets done
(08/20 21:03:00) [Relayer] Kerryth: I don't think that will be a problem. Honestly.
(08/20 21:03:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: let's not start excluding groups that haven't formed yet. We do have time to let things take shape in their own time.
(08/20 21:03:11) moirajane: (DeAn is up next)
(08/20 21:03:17) [Relayer] DeAn: would each group have an "internal discussion" section on AoG or would the whole forum be open for any registered forum member.
(08/20 21:03:31) CAGrayWolf: I would say ... let each group that is interested appoint their own rep ... who would in turn become a member of the GoM (etc) committee.
(08/20 21:03:45) Relayer Corps: Ghaelen, I don't want to excluse anyone
(08/20 21:03:52) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I know
(08/20 21:03:58) NadeMinogue: hmm i like that idea
(08/20 21:04:00) moirajane: (Please pm Zedra with the word question if you would like to be put in the line)
(08/20 21:04:13) Relayer Corps: please pm the Moderator
(08/20 21:04:17) Stevecrox: thats what TCT wants
(08/20 21:04:19) Relayer Corps: I can't follow all the questions
(08/20 21:04:37) moirajane: Kato is up next
(08/20 21:04:39) Relayer Corps: What question was I on?
(08/20 21:04:54) [Relayer] DeAn: was my question answered?
(08/20 21:04:54) NadeMinogue: mine
(08/20 21:04:58) Relayer Corps: Kato?
(08/20 21:04:59) NadeMinogue: hmm
(08/20 21:05:02) Relayer Corps: Sorry nade
(08/20 21:05:09) Relayer Corps: what was the question?
(08/20 21:05:16) [Relayer] DeAn: whose?
(08/20 21:05:21) Relayer Corps: Nade's
(08/20 21:05:25) Relayer Corps: then Kato
(08/20 21:05:35) NadeMinogue: are u the one who will start the guild or is there already a start in place
(08/20 21:06:01) [Relayer] DeAn: will each guild have an "internal discussion" area on the
(08/20 21:06:03) [Relayer] DeAn: sorry
(08/20 21:06:05) Stevecrox: we need to set up a Guild of Messengers
(08/20 21:06:11) Relayer Corps: We, meaning the news groups that are already formed are in the process of it.
(08/20 21:06:35) NadeMinogue: ok thx
(08/20 21:06:40) Relayer Corps: np.
(08/20 21:06:41) Relayer Corps: Kato
(08/20 21:06:45) Kato: My announcement will only take about 30 seconds--I don't want to steal your limelight but I have to leave soon, and it's superquick--do you mind?
(08/20 21:06:55) Relayer Corps: Please DO!
(08/20 21:07:03) Kato: Thank you very much.
(08/20 21:08:13) Kato: Okay everybody--one week from now, Monday the 27th, there will be a meeting in this place regarding the Guild of Writers, hosted by Paradox and I. Further details will be posted tomorrow on UO and the MOUL forums. That's all. :)
(08/20 21:08:30) Thend thanks you very much!
(08/20 21:08:38) Ghaelen D'Lareh says thank you for the info
(08/20 21:08:42) Kato: I hope to have Reteltee attend. I hope to have it on Monday, but I will have a definite date tomorrow.
(08/20 21:08:50) J'anim Paedet: Thanks, Kato
(08/20 21:09:14) Kato: Thank you all for your time and thank you Relayer for giving me the stage for a moment :)
(08/20 21:09:15) Relayer Corps: Ty kato
(08/20 21:09:28) Dalken Starbyne thanks you
(08/20 21:09:36) Relayer Corps: DeAn had a question I had not gotten to
(08/20 21:09:36) Kato: Shorah everybody :)
(08/20 21:09:38) Kato waves goodbye
(08/20 21:09:43) Relayer Corps: could you please ask it again?
(08/20 21:09:49) Relayer Corps: Bye Kato
(08/20 21:09:51) [Relayer] DeAn: ok. coming
(08/20 21:09:55) Relayer Corps: ty
(08/20 21:09:58) [Relayer] DeAn: on the AoG forum......
(08/20 21:10:15) [Relayer] DeAn: will each guild have an "internal discussion" section or will the forum be open to any forum member
(08/20 21:10:38) Relayer Corps: Is TCT running that site?
(08/20 21:10:56) moirajane: (Please PM Zedra if you would like ti be added to the list)
(08/20 21:10:59) Relayer Corps: or CCN?
(08/20 21:11:00) Stevecrox: which site?
(08/20 21:11:04) Relayer Corps: AOG
(08/20 21:11:15) Stevecrox: neighter
(08/20 21:11:26) Stevecrox: its run by a third party
(08/20 21:11:31) Relayer Corps: ok, who is running that site? This would be a question for them
(08/20 21:11:39) Relayer Corps: I have no idea DeAn
(08/20 21:11:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: CCN has CCN
(08/20 21:11:56) [Relayer] DeAn: k
(08/20 21:11:58) Relayer Corps: I need to find out who is running the site and ask them.
(08/20 21:12:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I don't know who manages the AOG
(08/20 21:12:06) Anthony: the AoG?
(08/20 21:12:14) Relayer Corps: Does anyone else have any questions?
(08/20 21:12:22) Stevecrox: I';m guessing the AoG is run by Calam
(08/20 21:12:23) Relayer Corps: Assembly of guilds
(08/20 21:12:23) Leonardo: as far as I know Calam runs that site
(08/20 21:12:25) moirajane: no one is on the list
(08/20 21:12:26) Andros: Isn't it Montgomery? Who is running the AOG
(08/20 21:12:41) Relayer Corps: I will find out and ask.
(08/20 21:12:47) [Relayer] DeAn: ok
(08/20 21:12:50) Relayer Corps: Ok. Anyone else want the floor?
(08/20 21:13:08) Dakro wants to ask a question...
(08/20 21:13:08) Thend: I kinda have a question
(08/20 21:13:14) Relayer Corps: Yes Thend?
(08/20 21:13:23) Relayer Corps: I kinda have an answer
(08/20 21:13:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, I think it is Montgomery who runs the AOG
(08/20 21:13:52) Relayer Corps: ty Ghaelen
(08/20 21:14:04) moirajane: Dakro had a question RC
(08/20 21:14:07) Thend: Relayer Corps, and any other Messengery Guildish groups, what do you see yourselves 'getting' out of being 'officially' Guilded? What is the benefit? You all already work well on your own
(08/20 21:14:59) Relayer Corps: I see as possibly getting a better understand of what each of us do, how we work, and how we all might help one another out.
(08/20 21:15:05) TCT Stellaflora is hoping for a Guild Cloak
(08/20 21:15:09) Relayer Corps: More contact with each other
(08/20 21:15:14) Stevecrox: easy recognition TCT has a constantly following but it didn't grow with the cavern growth
(08/20 21:15:36) Thend: Interesting, thanks
(08/20 21:15:38) moirajane: (Dakro is up next)
(08/20 21:15:39) Stevecrox: mostly because people haven't heard of it, by becoming offical we hope to increase awareness
(08/20 21:15:49) Relayer Corps: Dakro?
(08/20 21:15:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh boy, Thend, you said a mouthful there. Learning how better to help the community
(08/20 21:15:58) Relayer Corps: Exactly Stave
(08/20 21:16:00) Dakro: Would you ever consider merging the relayers and the GOM?
(08/20 21:16:01) Anthony: I see it as possible way to get info easier out of the cavern and into the cavern more deeply
(08/20 21:16:02) Relayer Corps: Steve
(08/20 21:16:14) From R'nway in R'nway's Teledahn: does anyone have any good marker quests for teledahn?
(08/20 21:16:15) Relayer Corps: That depends.
(08/20 21:16:25) Dakro: on what?
(08/20 21:16:45) Montgomery: Popping in for one comment -- I don't run AoG, I only support it. It is run by Calam and Whilyam (I think equally). It was started by Earthwizard who is no longer involved. Carry on.
(08/20 21:16:48) Ghaelen D'Lareh: exchanging resources and avie-power so as not to duplicate work
(08/20 21:16:50) Relayer Corps: We, as relayers, want to see which direction the GOM is headed and if that is the direction we want to go
(08/20 21:17:07) moirajane: Saavadro is up next
(08/20 21:17:12) Relayer Corps: This is still in the infancy stage
(08/20 21:17:13) Ghaelen D'Lareh: showing the community itself and what things it is doing, etc
(08/20 21:17:25) Relayer Corps: Saavadro?
(08/20 21:18:22) moirajane: (Please have your question pre-typed)
(08/20 21:18:32) 5TheStranger5: tnx Kat
(08/20 21:18:54) Relayer Corps: in age players chat please
(08/20 21:20:02) Relayer Corps: Saavadro whants to know what officail "guilding" would entail
(08/20 21:20:13) moirajane: (If there are anymore questions, please PM Zedra with thw word Question)
(08/20 21:20:22) Relayer Corps: That is something the council would have to discuss and vote on
(08/20 21:20:39) Relayer Corps: any more?
(08/20 21:20:48) moirajane: thats it RC
(08/20 21:20:56) Relayer Corps: YEY!!!
(08/20 21:21:02) Dalken Starbyne: XD
(08/20 21:21:05) Relayer Corps: Thank you everyone. the floor is open
(08/20 21:21:05) [Relayer] Kerryth cheers
(08/20 21:21:06) TCT Stellaflora claps his hands
(08/20 21:21:06) Zedra roars with laughter
(08/20 21:21:09) peni claps her hands
(08/20 21:21:12) Thend claps his hands
(08/20 21:21:12) moirajane claps her hands
(08/20 21:21:12) Zedra claps her hands
(08/20 21:21:12) Sparrowhawk claps her hands
(08/20 21:21:13) Dakro claps his hands
(08/20 21:21:14) Ghaelen D'Lareh: thank you RC
(08/20 21:21:15) Dalken Starbyne: Thanks, RC
(08/20 21:21:16) J'anim Paedet claps his hands
(08/20 21:21:17) cwjunior claps his hands
(08/20 21:21:19) Ian A. Pertwee claps his hands
(08/20 21:21:24) Stevecrox: ty RC
(08/20 21:21:24) Dalken Starbyne claps his hands
(08/20 21:21:25) Relayer Corps bows
(08/20 21:21:28) Andros: Just to be sure, anyone who would like to be part of the GOM has to go to the AOG?
(08/20 21:21:46) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I don't think that is what was said here Andros
(08/20 21:22:03) NadeMinogue says stop!
(08/20 21:22:39) CAGrayWolf: I believe we are still trying to determine the best place that would be easiily assecible and central ... if this is even what the majority would like.
(08/20 21:23:00) Ghaelen D'Lareh: agreed, since there isn't a GOM yet, only still discussions
(08/20 21:23:14) Relayer Corps: Some day, I'm gonna get mel back for that. lol
(08/20 21:23:18) Relayer Corps: oops
(08/20 21:23:21) melodilynn: LOL
(08/20 21:23:27) Relayer Corps: Yes.
(08/20 21:23:29) moirajane: Would anyone else like to take the stage?
(08/20 21:23:30) NadeMinogue: lol
(08/20 21:23:33) melodilynn whistles and looks around innocently
(08/20 21:23:37) TCT Stellaflora: Are there more speakers or is it just discussion now?
(08/20 21:23:43) Relayer Corps: I think AOG is perfect for that because they have a section just for GOM
(08/20 21:23:54) Relayer Corps: I think it's discussion time
(08/20 21:24:01) CAGrayWolf: Does anyone have questions for the GoG?
(08/20 21:24:01) NadeMinogue: there will be a longer meating at 7pm
(08/20 21:24:20) TCT Stellaflora: that one's a bit late for me
(08/20 21:24:31) Relayer Corps: And thank you for putting up with me everyone. i was not expecting to get dragged up on stage.
(08/20 21:24:36) NadeMinogue: it will be on the forums
(08/20 21:24:36) J'anim Paedet: A 'meating?' Oh dear...
(08/20 21:24:43) moirajane: Thanks everone for coming
(08/20 21:24:45) NadeMinogue: lol
(08/20 21:24:47) TCT Stellaflora: You did very wellRC
(08/20 21:24:49) Ghaelen D'Lareh: really RC? well, you did wonderfuly
(08/20 21:24:54) Ghaelen D'Lareh: +l
(08/20 21:24:54) melodilynn thinks RC did a great job!
(08/20 21:24:55) Andros claps his hands
(08/20 21:24:55) Thend: Thanks to the Mods for modding :)
(08/20 21:24:55) Relayer Corps: ty Ghaelen
(08/20 21:25:00) NadeMinogue claps his hands
(08/20 21:25:01) Relayer Corps: rofl
(08/20 21:25:01) J'anim Paedet: Yes, bravo!
(08/20 21:25:03) Relayer Corps: Modeling
(08/20 21:25:04) moirajane bows
(08/20 21:25:05) Zedra bows
(08/20 21:25:07) Relayer Corps: woo hoo
(08/20 21:25:15) melodilynn: yes, great moderating!
(08/20 21:25:17) Thend claps his hands
(08/20 21:25:18) TCT Stellaflora: Who wants to discuss over a game of Heek?
(08/20 21:25:22) NadeMinogue: lol
(08/20 21:25:27) Relayer Corps: I like heek
(08/20 21:25:28) NadeMinogue: no heek here
(08/20 21:25:34) TCT Stellaflora: Bother, I fogot
(08/20 21:26:02) TCT Stellaflora is sorta bummed...
(08/20 21:26:19) Ghaelen D'Lareh pats Stellaflora on the back
(08/20 21:26:29) TCT Stellaflora thanks Gahelen
(08/20 21:26:31) NadeMinogue: any of the other guilds being formed
(08/20 21:26:37) peni gives hima cookie
(08/20 21:26:40) NadeMinogue: of the big 5
(08/20 21:26:53) TCT Stellaflora: Hmmm, nice cookie :D
(08/20 21:26:58) NadeMinogue: lol
(08/20 21:26:59) TCT Stellaflora grins
(08/20 21:27:02) Dakro: Yikes the cones were spying on us the whole time
(08/20 21:27:03) Dakro cringes
(08/20 21:27:10) NadeMinogue: guess not
(08/20 21:27:17) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh, get those Kirel Baked Treats on the tables while they are still there!
(08/20 21:27:17) TCT Stellaflora: Just this one bothersome cone
(08/20 21:27:18) Dakro: With their evil plans, they probally wanted a guild of cones
(08/20 21:27:26) NadeMinogue: haha
(08/20 21:27:32) NadeMinogue: the farce guild
(08/20 21:27:37) Dakro starts to laugh
(08/20 21:27:40) NadeMinogue: GOC
(08/20 21:27:59) NadeMinogue: GOC : The Farce Guild
(08/20 21:28:23) NadeMinogue: just for fun
(08/20 21:28:37) Dakro: I'm sure the DRC would approve that in a hurry
(08/20 21:28:41) TCT Stellaflora fills a glass of water at the invisable water cooler
(08/20 21:28:45) Dakro: Nick White being the guildmaster
(08/20 21:28:57) NadeMinogue: making art and comics about the lives of URU Dwellers
(08/20 21:29:31) TCT Stellaflora takes a slice of brocoli quiche from the Vegitarian snack table
(08/20 21:29:42) NadeMinogue: and the OBBESSIVE WAITING FOR AGES!!!!
(08/20 21:29:43) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oooh, yummy
(08/20 21:30:12) Dakro: Hopefully they will replace our pink shirts with fasionable metal suits :D
(08/20 21:30:17) NadeMinogue: OBESSIVE WAITING FOR AGES FOR AGES!!!
(08/20 21:30:35) NadeMinogue: hahaha
(08/20 21:30:36) peni: a long time!
(08/20 21:30:55) TCT Stellaflora: I think the Support shirts are meant to be lighter versions of the Guild colours
(08/20 21:30:55) NadeMinogue: yes join the Guild of CONES TODAY!!!
(08/20 21:31:10) Dakro: That sounds like something slider would be promoting
(08/20 21:31:16) TCT Stellaflora: Would the Guild of Cones support shirt be orange?
(08/20 21:31:17) NadeMinogue: haha
(08/20 21:31:22) Ghaelen D'Lareh: may the Farce of the Cones be with you, always
(08/20 21:31:25) NadeMinogue: ???
(08/20 21:31:27) NadeMinogue: haha
(08/20 21:31:31) J'anim Paedet: Try moving the slider
(08/20 21:31:33) NadeMinogue: id join
(08/20 21:32:13) NadeMinogue: our purpouse is to mess with people and randomly launch cones
(08/20 21:32:34) TCT Stellaflora: Would the Guild get a ballistic cone launcher?
(08/20 21:32:42) NadeMinogue: sometimes firemarbles all the way accross an age
(08/20 21:32:44) Ghaelen D'Lareh: first task of the guild, to build a cone launcher
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2007, August 20th Chatlog: Pre-GoMe/All Guilds Meeting #2

Original forum thread: http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11933&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45

 (08/21 00:57:09) Chat.log started...
(08/21 00:57:18) R'nway: it already is all the way down
(08/21 00:57:24) Whilyam: Actually most lag is client lag.
(08/21 00:57:30) R'nway: where are bahro
(08/21 00:57:35) Whilyam: only the times when the game freezes are server lag
(08/21 00:57:39) R'nway: oh, just sounds
(08/21 00:57:45) White Rose: Havent been aroudn for awhile
(08/21 00:57:48) Sorceress: R'nway, do you know how much memory you have in your comp?
(08/21 00:57:52) R'nway: my RAM is pegged
(08/21 00:58:00) R'nway: 1 gig, but its pegged
(08/21 00:58:03) --=V4iLiN=--: \mmm
(08/21 00:58:13) NadeMinogue: they need to put more of the network traffic traffic to the client not as much to the server
(08/21 00:58:22) Sorceress: welp, there goes my idea of you buying more RAM
(08/21 00:58:30) Marein.: The server hardly causes any lag anymore
(08/21 00:58:35) Andy Legate: i only have 512mb.....I'm okay......wait! What's that smoke ?
(08/21 00:58:36) Whilyam: I have a gig too nd I'm fine.
(08/21 00:58:36) Marein.: Virtually all lag is clientside
(08/21 00:58:39) Explorer1: Shorah Reteltee!
(08/21 00:58:44) Shimmerillion: anelise, wht are you doing?
(08/21 00:58:45) Reteltee: Shorah :)
(08/21 00:58:48) Sorceress wootles
(08/21 00:58:48) Marein.: Even though you cant call it lag then
(08/21 00:58:49) NadeMinogue: ok people sit or we will all crash
(08/21 00:58:55) IBnetweasel: Welcome Reteltee and Montgomery
(08/21 00:59:03) Xavius hums "Where's Your Head At?"
(08/21 00:59:09) Explorer1: Shorah Montgomery!
(08/21 00:59:16) NadeMinogue: o new guild the guild of cones
(08/21 00:59:34) NadeMinogue: the CONES want REVENGE
(08/21 00:59:43) R'nway: revenge for what?
(08/21 00:59:50) Whilyam: Let's get this started.
(08/21 00:59:52) NadeMinogue: everything
(08/21 00:59:55) ZeroG: for being kicked repeatedly - what else?
(08/21 00:59:56) ABguy: 3 mins till meeting
(08/21 00:59:57) Reteltee: Is someone chatlogging?
(08/21 00:59:59) NadeMinogue: haha
(08/21 01:00:05) Frisky Badger: I am
(08/21 01:00:07) R'nway: i am now
(08/21 01:00:09) Andy Legate: i am for my little guild.
(08/21 01:00:10) Xavius: FAME_HOG!
(08/21 01:00:11) Sorceress: I am
(08/21 01:00:13) lfus: zedra is
(08/21 01:00:14) ZeroG: fortunately, Eddie is less vengeful
(08/21 01:00:16) Dakro: Yikes no need for a chatlog from me than
(08/21 01:00:21) Reteltee: Xcellent
(08/21 01:00:24) Ja'de: Yes
(08/21 01:00:28) R'nway: yes, but beware the killer tomatoes!
(08/21 01:00:28) Xavius gets up on the rooftops and snipes out Montgomery and Reteltee
(08/21 01:00:35) Frisky Badger: does eddie's cousin have a name yet?
(08/21 01:00:35) Anthony: Episode V: The Cones Strike Back!
(08/21 01:00:40) ~~meadow~~: reteltee, using the keyboard, i see...great!
(08/21 01:00:40) Xavius: My Father died in a Guid! >.<
(08/21 01:00:43) groath: so that means every thing i say will be in a chat log?
(08/21 01:00:44) NadeMinogue: im gonna start the Guild of Cones : the farce guild
(08/21 01:00:53) Xavius: Eddie's coisuin is Dusty!
(08/21 01:00:53) groath: HI MOM!
(08/21 01:00:54) Andy Legate Andy waves at Monty from the back
(08/21 01:00:58) groath: jk
(08/21 01:00:58) R'nway used his nija skills to knock out xavius before he could snipe them
(08/21 01:00:59) ZeroG: I'm logging, so yes
(08/21 01:00:59) Andy Legate waves hello
(08/21 01:01:00) From lfus: i am here
(08/21 01:01:06) Frisky Badger edits out groath's message
(08/21 01:01:14) Frisky Badger: :)
(08/21 01:01:14) NadeMinogue: haha
(08/21 01:01:16) Montgomery: HELLO KIREL!!!!!
(08/21 01:01:18) groath: shorah montgomery
(08/21 01:01:19) Xavius is addicted to morphine so R'nway has no effect..
(08/21 01:01:22) Dakro: Zedra is moderating too
(08/21 01:01:27) NadeMinogue: foot ball
(08/21 01:01:28) From Zedra: Lfus will be speaking the moderation and I will be taking the queue. Please remember to use Next when you're ready for the next question, ok?
(08/21 01:01:31) Mystchief: there will be a rising of the cones - it is written.....
(08/21 01:01:32) R'nway: what did that have to do with anything?
(08/21 01:01:39) Sorceress: reteltee you are very blue tonight
(08/21 01:01:43) To Zedra: got it
(08/21 01:01:45) Xavius hugs Monty
(08/21 01:01:48) From MustardJeep: Pre-guild leadership I think needs to stress that it should not be decided tonight....
(08/21 01:01:51) NadeMinogue: yes we will all make the cones levitate
(08/21 01:01:54) Reteltee: It's my favourite color
(08/21 01:01:59) To MustardJeep: agreed
(08/21 01:02:00) R'nway: i'm only here for about 10 minutes
(08/21 01:02:02) groath: ok people i think its time we start to stop chating as much
(08/21 01:02:03) Mystchief: onto our heads
(08/21 01:02:04) From Zedra: Can you tell Reteltee, please.
(08/21 01:02:06) Warren Weisstieg: Hey everyone
(08/21 01:02:14) Xavius woul hug Reteltee too but now it feels awkward
(08/21 01:02:21) NadeMinogue: lol
(08/21 01:02:24) To Zedra: will tell everyone during intros
(08/21 01:02:24) Reteltee: Lol, thx anyway xavious
(08/21 01:02:27) R'nway starts to stop
(08/21 01:02:31) Xavius: :P
(08/21 01:02:40) --=V4iLiN=--: ...
(08/21 01:02:42) Montgomery: Did I just get hugged?
(08/21 01:02:49) Scarlette: let me guess Red... Optimus Prime?? :D
(08/21 01:02:49) Xavius: Yesh.
(08/21 01:02:50) IBnetweasel: Lol
(08/21 01:02:50) Stephen C.: Yes
(08/21 01:02:51) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(08/21 01:02:54) Frisky Badger: aaaaaand, Go!
(08/21 01:02:55) groath: lol
(08/21 01:02:55) Mystchief: lucky
(08/21 01:02:56) ~~meadow~~: got lag??
(08/21 01:02:58) Montgomery: Thanks.
(08/21 01:02:59) R'nway stops starting to stop and actually stops
(08/21 01:03:04) ABguy: 1 min
(08/21 01:03:10) Scarlette: *Ret
(08/21 01:03:16) Montgomery: OK first thing -- if everyone will sit, the lag will be reduced.
(08/21 01:03:19) groath: woooooootttt montgomery!
(08/21 01:03:19) Frisky Badger: those lag mustaches are so hard to clean off
(08/21 01:03:20) Reteltee: reply Thx for moderating
(08/21 01:03:30) Reteltee: Oops
(08/21 01:03:40) Reteltee grins sheepishly
(08/21 01:03:41) From Relayer Corps: Do you run the AOG website?
(08/21 01:03:45) Andy Legate: Sit people sit
(08/21 01:03:56) To Relayer Corps: nope. Calam and Whilyam.
(08/21 01:03:57) Saavadro: Alt 7
(08/21 01:04:06) Andy Legate: cntl 7
(08/21 01:04:08) Whilyam: Alt F4!
(08/21 01:04:11) ZeroG: /sit
(08/21 01:04:15) --=V4iLiN=--: LOL
(08/21 01:04:16) Saavadro: right sry
(08/21 01:04:18) groath: montgomery wont say hi to me......
(08/21 01:04:19) Montgomery: A bit of business. Welcome everyone! Thanks for coming!
(08/21 01:04:20) NadeMinogue: no altF$ lol (dont really do it)
(08/21 01:04:20) Frisky Badger: ctrl-alt-delete
(08/21 01:04:22) Sonseeharay: looks at her watch
(08/21 01:04:30) Montgomery: Hi everyone -- including Groath.
(08/21 01:04:37) groath: yeah!
(08/21 01:04:39) NadeMinogue: haha
(08/21 01:04:52) R'nway: if my CPu temps goes over 60 C i'll be leaving with no warning
(08/21 01:04:55) Montgomery: This is my second one of these, so now I'm an expert. Heh.
(08/21 01:05:09) groath: ok........
(08/21 01:05:11) Montgomery: We have 2 moderators -- Ifus and Zedra.
(08/21 01:05:27) Zedra bows
(08/21 01:05:29) lfus bows
(08/21 01:05:32) Thend claps his hands
(08/21 01:05:32) groath claps his hands
(08/21 01:05:36) Kalypso claps her hands
(08/21 01:05:36) ABguy claps his hands
(08/21 01:05:39) J'anim Paedet claps his hands
(08/21 01:05:43) Sorceress claps her hands
(08/21 01:05:43) Reteltee: And we're quite grateful for their services
(08/21 01:05:43) IBnetweasel nods in lfus and zedra's direction
(08/21 01:05:43) Ghaelen D'Lareh: thanks for moderating
(08/21 01:05:47) AnElise cheers
(08/21 01:05:50) Eedrah: Back
(08/21 01:05:52) R'nway nods
(08/21 01:05:54) groath: you guys rock!
(08/21 01:06:06) Eedrah: What hace I missed?
(08/21 01:06:12) Montgomery: Here's the process: Please PM Zedra the word "Question" and she will then announce who's turn it is to ask. Please have your question typed so when you are called you can just hit enter.
(08/21 01:06:13) R'nway: nothing yet
(08/21 01:06:21) Montgomery: Is that right, Zedra?
(08/21 01:06:43) Zedra: that is correct!
(08/21 01:06:59) Montgomery: And Ifus's job is?
(08/21 01:07:05) IBnetweasel pokes Woflie...wakeup!
(08/21 01:07:16) lfus: i will call the people names out
(08/21 01:07:27) lfus: when it is their turn
(08/21 01:07:55) Montgomery: Got it. Sitting reduces lag. ALso, please try to keep off-the-cuff coments to a minimum.
(08/21 01:08:00) Thend: (Please use /shout at all times for questions asked out loud, thanks)
(08/21 01:08:11) Montgomery: And forgive my rushed typing.
(08/21 01:08:19) NadeMinogue: please everyone sit
(08/21 01:08:26) Montgomery: OK -- Let's get started!
(08/21 01:08:57) Abjab: Question please Zedra
(08/21 01:09:15) Montgomery: I'm Montgomery -- obviously. I'm nobody special but I saw a need to get the ball rolling, and was delighted to discover that my ideas were met with approval by Reteltee. So here we are.
(08/21 01:09:16) lfus: Runway has the first question
(08/21 01:09:21) R'nway: Will the Guild of Maintainers be working mainly with the DRC to verify ages beign restored, or with the Guild of Writers to verify the explorer written ages?
(08/21 01:09:48) NadeMinogue: hopefully both
(08/21 01:09:49) Reteltee: Slight correction to Monty's statement; he is DEFINITELY special ;)
(08/21 01:10:00) Montgomery: R'nway, nobody knows that, yet. Let's hold questions for the moment and let me get the intros out of the way. Thank you.
(08/21 01:10:12) Montgomery blushes.
(08/21 01:10:14) R'nway: okay go ahead
(08/21 01:10:27) Reteltee gives Monty a big thumbs up
(08/21 01:11:04) From Relayer Corps: If you need me to represent the GOM again, i am willing since I did it earlier.
(08/21 01:11:05) Montgomery: OK, I asked for reps from all of the guilds and groups to be here -- you guys don't really have jobs here tonight, but I wanted eveyone to have a voice and a chance to hear what is discussed. So thanks for coming.
(08/21 01:11:16) To Relayer Corps: cool. thnaks
(08/21 01:11:27) From Relayer Corps: np
(08/21 01:11:38) Montgomery: Does anyone need me to explain why we're here?
(08/21 01:11:58) Shimmerillion: i'd like to hear what your goals for the evening are
(08/21 01:12:02) Rocky: please
(08/21 01:12:22) R'nway: I have just been informed taht it is time for me to go eat dinner, sorry i can't be here for the meeting, but thanks for putting it together
(08/21 01:12:42) Relayer Corps: bye R'nwat
(08/21 01:12:49) Stephen C.: Bye
(08/21 01:12:53) --=V4iLiN=--: yes tell us Why
(08/21 01:13:07) ZeroG: I would also like an explanation please :)
(08/21 01:13:33) Montgomery: OK -- quick and dirty. Before all of you very enthusiastic people run off in opposite directions, I thought it would be a good idea to try to establish some common goals and a common foundation for our structure. Thse are just my suggestions. I have no power to influence anybody.
(08/21 01:14:22) Montgomery: There is great opportunity for cooperation between and among the guilds and groups, and I want to make sure there is some structure that fosters that.
(08/21 01:14:28) Reteltee: Again, slight correction
(08/21 01:14:40) Reteltee: Monty has the power to influence ALL of us
(08/21 01:14:46) Relayer Corps: lol
(08/21 01:14:50) Reteltee: With his sound ideas
(08/21 01:14:57) NadeMinogue: haha
(08/21 01:14:59) IBnetweasel: lol
(08/21 01:15:07) Stephen C.: lol
(08/21 01:15:20) Andy Legate: he influenced me. that's for sure
(08/21 01:15:38) Reteltee: :) Sorry Monty, please continue
(08/21 01:15:46) Error: Don't know how to '/shout, Reteltee, thank you! That means a lot. But please be away I have no designs on Supreme Guild Poohba, or anything.'
(08/21 01:15:49) NadeMinogue: maby we should elect him king
(08/21 01:15:53) Montgomery: THank you!
(08/21 01:15:56) Warren Weisstieg: Stop, let him talk
(08/21 01:16:09) White Rose: if you let him talk we can get on with it
(08/21 01:16:20) ZeroG nods his head
(08/21 01:16:21) Relayer Corps nods her head
(08/21 01:16:29) Montgomery: That means a lot, Reteltee. But I have no designs on Great Poohp, or anything.
(08/21 01:16:37) --=V4iLiN=-- nods off
(08/21 01:16:38) Montgomery: *Poohpa.
(08/21 01:16:38) Reteltee: Lol
(08/21 01:16:45) Relayer Corps: poohba
(08/21 01:16:46) Reteltee: Poobah
(08/21 01:16:53) chuxter06: Poop
(08/21 01:16:55) Montgomery: Yeah, that.
(08/21 01:17:01) Relayer Corps: lol
(08/21 01:17:04) Barbarra: I like Poohp better
(08/21 01:17:06) Stephen C.: lol
(08/21 01:17:16) Montgomery: OK, then on to our Esteemed Guest of Honor -- Reteltee, the DRC Guild Advisor
(08/21 01:17:19) Robert The Rebuilder: Hey - let's keep this family friendly! ;-)
(08/21 01:17:27) --=V4iLiN=--: the grand pooba
(08/21 01:17:29) Whilyam: The Great Poohp..
(08/21 01:17:30) Warren Weisstieg: Yay!
(08/21 01:17:31) Relayer Corps claps her hands
(08/21 01:17:35) Sorceress claps her hands
(08/21 01:17:39) NadeMinogue: back to topic
(08/21 01:17:42) [Relayer] Kerryth claps her hands
(08/21 01:17:43) Dakro: Shhh
(08/21 01:17:47) Reteltee: Lol, please, you all are far too kind
(08/21 01:17:47) White Rose: will every please just stop interrupting
(08/21 01:17:47) chuxter06 laughs
(08/21 01:17:50) Whilyam claps her hands
(08/21 01:17:53) White Rose: Everyone
(08/21 01:17:59) Montgomery: Reteltee, as you know, I have compiled a list of questions many of the explorers have given me, to ask you to ask the DRC/Cyan.
(08/21 01:18:35) Reteltee: And I willingly take them to the DRC, and bring back word of their plans...insamuch as they are revealed to me
(08/21 01:18:43) Montgomery: I PMed them to you earlier today, on UO. But for everyone who wants to read them, they are in the Guild subforum on the MO:UL forums.
(08/21 01:19:08) Montgomery: With that, I hand the floor to Reteltee
(08/21 01:19:09) lfus: (please hold your comments until the end and also don't forget to pm Zedra with the word QUESTION)
(08/21 01:19:28) Reteltee: Well, thank you Monty, and thank you fellow Explorers for this amazing turnout
(08/21 01:20:23) Montgomery: Oh. This is meant to be a Q&A, so now's the time for quetions.
(08/21 01:20:27) Reteltee: In truth, after reading the questions which were relayed to me by Monty, I fear I've not many particularly satisfying answers
(08/21 01:20:39) Reteltee: But, that which I can answer, I will
(08/21 01:20:51) lfus: GMRgur has the first question
(08/21 01:20:57) GMRguru: Has the DRC had any further communication with Yeesha?
(08/21 01:21:13) lfus: (Groath will be next)
(08/21 01:21:26) Reteltee: Not that they have indicated to me; however the DRC may not be in a position to reveal that information at this time
(08/21 01:21:35) lfus: (Please have your questions pretyed in)
(08/21 01:21:58) groath: ok so do you think that if we get the guilds going agin that it will cause the drc to gain to much power over us?or the drc having to much power over the guilds?
(08/21 01:22:20) To Zedra: Question
(08/21 01:22:20) lfus: (Abjab will be next)
(08/21 01:22:41) Reteltee: Quite the opposite, I hope; I believe the Guilds will offer the Explorers the ability to counterpoint the DRC
(08/21 01:22:42) ZeroG: I'm sorry - did Reteltee respond? I'm not hearing him
(08/21 01:22:57) Abjab: We need more "Buddies"- like KI groups Lists for communications purposes , listed by Guilds please..can that be done ?
(08/21 01:22:58) Reteltee: Sorry, bear with me in my responses, I'm lagging up a storm
(08/21 01:23:00) Barbarra: nor me
(08/21 01:23:09) lfus: (pm Zedra with the word QUESTION to get your nane on the list)
(08/21 01:23:13) moirajane:
(08/21 01:23:33) lfus: (Sonsee is next)
(08/21 01:23:38) Thend: (Please use /shout for public talky talk)
(08/21 01:23:47) Reteltee: Sorry, the answer to the Guild/power question was No; the Guilds will hopefully serve as a check on the DRC's power
(08/21 01:24:12) Sonseeharay: didn't the elitism of the guilds lead to the downfall of Dni and how do you plan to keep that from happening again
(08/21 01:24:18) groath: thanks
(08/21 01:24:21) Reteltee: As for the Guild Buddy Lists or something of that kind; I believe it's possible, however I o not know iff it's likely
(08/21 01:24:41) lfus: (Mustard Jeep will be next)
(08/21 01:24:48) Reteltee: The Guilds of Uru will not function if we allow them to become elitist
(08/21 01:25:00) Reteltee: Please, understand this;
(08/21 01:25:07) Reteltee: WE are the Guilds
(08/21 01:25:20) Reteltee: WE will ultimately have to determine what form they take
(08/21 01:25:48) MustardJeep: Reteltee; Has the DRC told you anything that they don't want the newish guild/groups to be doing?
(08/21 01:25:58) Reteltee: and WE will bear the responsibility of making sure those who wish to be included are, while not impeding those who wish to remain apart from the Guilds
(08/21 01:26:21) lfus: (Thend will be next after Mustard jeep)
(08/21 01:27:01) Reteltee: Yes MJ; and the first thing they don't want us to do is to become a power-mad cabal of elitist consipirers who attempt to rule the Cavern ;)
(08/21 01:27:19) MustardJeep: well of course that.....:lol:
(08/21 01:27:52) Reteltee: The DRC's suggestion is that we remain flexible and loose, at this point
(08/21 01:28:03) Whilyam does a dance
(08/21 01:28:03) Reteltee: Next?
(08/21 01:28:06) Thend: So, since the Guilds are not 'elitist', then one will not be excluded from joining one, or, say, join all 5 (or more) at the same time?
(08/21 01:28:07) lfus:
(08/21 01:28:33) lfus: ( after Thend Kalypso)
(08/21 01:28:46) From MustardJeep: It's going rather better then the afternoon meeting did.
(08/21 01:28:49) Reteltee: To my knowledge there will be nothing that prevents anyone from joining any Guild at any time; however, that does not necessarily mean one could belong to all five (or Eighteen for that matter) at once
(08/21 01:29:03) Thend nods his head
(08/21 01:29:06) Reteltee: Next?
(08/21 01:29:08) Kalypso: Given that news distribution in the cavern is very limited, is the DRC willing to give the Guild of Messengers new tools (special place to post information[more than 5 slots in the imager] in the cavern) or ameliorations to the existing tools (Ki system... to reach to largest number of explorers as possible))
(08/21 01:29:41) lfus: (Ghaelen D'Lareh is next after Kalypson)
(08/21 01:29:50) Reteltee: Great question, and one I shall relay to the DRC. At this point, I do not know :(
(08/21 01:29:56) Reteltee: Next?
(08/21 01:29:59) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I see quite a push by some explorers to move pre/proto- guild discussions off the MOUL forum, nearly to the point of "strongarming" others who think the MOUL forum is fine for right now. Since the guilds (other than GOG aren't in existence yet, do you have a suggestion for those of us concerned with the issues of "yet another forum" or neutrality?
(08/21 01:30:20) lfus: (Robert the Rebuilder is after Ghaelen)
(08/21 01:31:44) Reteltee: Not entirely sure I understand the question Ghaelen (sorry), but I THINK what you're getting at is something Marie has described as reinventing the wheel
(08/21 01:32:05) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, would you suggest we not reinvent it?
(08/21 01:32:26) NadeMinogue: i beleve the drc and cyan said there forums couldent handle what we require for forums and want us to have seprate forums
(08/21 01:32:34) Reteltee: The upshot is that the DRC has encouraged Guilders to use the resources currently available; however, that shouldn't precluude the developement of more should they be deemed by the Explorers as necessary and beneficial
(08/21 01:33:04) Reteltee: I would reccomend the Assembly of Guilds site as a start
(08/21 01:33:11) Thumbs up from Whilyam
(08/21 01:33:15) Whilyam: :P
(08/21 01:33:19) Ghaelen D'Lareh: thanks!
(08/21 01:33:29) Robert The Rebuilder: Good to see you again, Reteltee! If we happen to get the unofficial guilds up and running quite well, will the DRC simply make our system official, or are they still intent on presenting their own system?
(08/21 01:33:32) Reteltee: it's a currently existing resource, it's flexible, useful, and will keep the load off the dRC
(08/21 01:34:22) Reteltee: Good to see you too 'Bob' ;) I believe the DRC is willing to look closely at any system of management we Explorers develope
(08/21 01:34:43) lfus: (Montgomery is up next after Robert)
(08/21 01:34:49) Montgomery: Reteltee, is your job to advise the DRC, or to advise the explorers?
(08/21 01:34:54) Reteltee: And if we come up with something that works, I'm sure they'd have no problem steal...er, adapting it to their purposes
(08/21 01:35:05) Robert The Rebuilder starts to laugh
(08/21 01:35:17) Reteltee: Good question Monty; in truth, both
(08/21 01:35:29) Montgomery nods his head
(08/21 01:35:39) lfus: (Frishky Badger is next )
(08/21 01:35:42) Montgomery: Good to know.
(08/21 01:35:42) Reteltee: My responsibility (read: loyalty) is always, and vehemently to the Explorers
(08/21 01:36:02) Frisky Badger: along the lines of previous questions, will be getting any guidance from Cyan/DRC anytime soon?
(08/21 01:36:23) Reteltee: However, since the DRC is willing to listen, I feel the best way for me to serve the Explorers is by offering what advice I can to their cadre
(08/21 01:36:43) Reteltee: Will who be getting advice FB?
(08/21 01:36:54) Frisky Badger: the explorers
(08/21 01:37:02) lfus: (Dakro is next)
(08/21 01:37:13) Dakro: When the guilds start to take a more active role with the DRC and the restoration where will we find out about our current tasks and objectives? Also will there be a sign-up sheet for explorers to join guilds instead of just wearing a t-shirt, along with maybe Guild added to Ageplayers, buddies, and neighbors?
(08/21 01:37:22) Frisky Badger: with regards to how they envision the guilds working
(08/21 01:37:25) Reteltee: Depends on what you mean. In general...probably not that much
(08/21 01:38:00) Captainmack: kirel
(08/21 01:38:02) Reteltee: That was for FB
(08/21 01:38:26) Montgomery: Dakro, I have suggestions that answer your second question. Sorry, Reteltee.
(08/21 01:38:27) Reteltee: Dak; that information is forthcoming, but I don't know exactly when :(
(08/21 01:38:38) Reteltee: No prob Monty, please, go ahead
(08/21 01:39:06) Montgomery: After the Q&A is finished. It is actually a major topic for this meeting.
(08/21 01:39:12) lfus: ( Paradox is after Dakro)
(08/21 01:39:31) Reteltee: Great :); next?
(08/21 01:39:42) lfus: Paradox
(08/21 01:39:51) Paradox: I've been working recently with others to set up the Guild of Writers formed of various existing Age Creation groups. What do you say on this, is it a good initiative to take despite what Cyan has stated; or should we be waiting to hear from Cyan before we form Guilds and structures for those guilds? Also, as a note: The Guild of Writers will _not_ be using the Assembly of Guilds site. All GoW discussion is happening on MOUL's Guilds forum (until we have an official GoW forum)
(08/21 01:40:04) lfus: (Please have your questions pretyped)
(08/21 01:40:31) lfus: (White Rose is afrter Pardox)
(08/21 01:40:35) Barbarra: PM Zedra Question
(08/21 01:41:22) Reteltee: Ok; to your first point, I think it's a fine task to start working on developing ideas for what form the Guilds will take; however, as I've said, it's important to remeber we need to be flexible
(08/21 01:42:22) White Rose: Will the lag ever get fixed and what would happen to a guild that tried to rule the cavern and how would the DRC know about it
(08/21 01:42:24) Reteltee: To your second point; I think it's fine to use whatever forum you prefer for collating your discussion; my point about the AoG is that it's dedicated to the subject of the Guilds. But the MOUL site is fine too
(08/21 01:42:45) IBnetweasel: pop
(08/21 01:42:47) lfus: (Shimmermillion is after White Rose)
(08/21 01:42:47) Dalken Starbyne gasps
(08/21 01:42:58) Sorceress: uh-oh, pop
(08/21 01:43:06) Andy Legate: Reteltee; Will explore
(08/21 01:43:07) Relayer Corps: the bahro got him!
(08/21 01:43:19) Montgomery: Um.
(08/21 01:43:20) Andy Legate: monty, what did you do? : )
(08/21 01:43:21) Dragonia: poof
(08/21 01:43:31) Whilyam gasps
(08/21 01:43:31) Sorceress: Intermission?
(08/21 01:43:33) J'min: Q&A over?
(08/21 01:43:34) Relayer Corps: lol
(08/21 01:43:42) DaytonaKit: s/it
(08/21 01:43:42) Andy Legate: let's all ask MOnty the questions.
(08/21 01:43:42) [Relayer] Kerryth: He'll be back.
(08/21 01:43:44) Montgomery: I assume he will be back.
(08/21 01:43:46) Relayer Corps: I like intermission
(08/21 01:43:50) Whilyam: It was Biegalski! Reteltee shrunk in his awesomeness! :P
(08/21 01:43:55) Robert The Rebuilder: He revealed too much! Laxman linked him to a prison age!
(08/21 01:43:56) Sorceress: Hi Beigalski
(08/21 01:43:57) Relayer Corps: rofl
(08/21 01:44:05) d'ni everything passes popcorn and Twizzlers
(08/21 01:44:09) Explorer1: Can go the the bathroom now!
(08/21 01:44:12) NadeMinogue: lol
(08/21 01:44:17) IBnetweasel opens his mouth, closes his mouth, opens his mouth again...closes it again...and then snorts quizzically
(08/21 01:44:19) Relayer Corps: If you have to, nows the time
(08/21 01:44:20) Robert The Rebuilder: MOnty: what were the other agenda items?
(08/21 01:44:21) Sorceress eats a Cosmic Brownie
(08/21 01:44:24) Montgomery: After the Q&A I was planning to discuss some ideas about both pre-guild memberships, and leadership models.
(08/21 01:44:39) Stephen C.: Lol ib
(08/21 01:44:43) Warren Weisstieg: Ok, what kind of formalNice, Montgomery
(08/21 01:44:49) peni: pop. was 80 when i came back in
(08/21 01:44:49) Warren Weisstieg: Oops
(08/21 01:44:53) Relayer Corps: well, we have nothing better to do right now
(08/21 01:44:54) Montgomery: Also, ways to foster cooperation, and IC vOOC
(08/21 01:45:20) BrandyWynne Fluffs her feathers
(08/21 01:45:23) Relayer Corps: Hi peni!
(08/21 01:45:26) Montgomery: Is Pryftan here, tonight?
(08/21 01:45:26) NadeMinogue: guild counsil leaders
(08/21 01:45:27) Paradox: I'd like to take a moment while we're waiting to announce that the Guild of Writers will be hosting a meeting in the coming week. Look for an announcement on the MOUL Forums if you are interested.
(08/21 01:45:31) peni: hiya :)
(08/21 01:45:34) Andy Legate: hey, is there a PM command? Takes forever to PM Zedra and then try and click on Age chat.
(08/21 01:45:53) Nadnerb: yes, type /p name message
(08/21 01:45:55) Whilyam: It's /p
(08/21 01:45:56) Paradox: /p
(08/21 01:45:59) IBnetweasel: yes.../p Zedra question
(08/21 01:46:12) Andy Legate: Silly me, I was trying to type /pm DUH
(08/21 01:46:14) Ghaelen D'Lareh: now that we all have that one down pat
(08/21 01:46:17) IBnetweasel: the name is case sensitive...
(08/21 01:46:22) Ghaelen D'Lareh laughs
(08/21 01:46:23) Whilyam: Also, to revert to age players, click and drag on any name until your cursor leaves the list.
(08/21 01:46:35) Montgomery: Cool! Thanks for the new command. I didn't know that.
(08/21 01:46:49) Zedra: thanks IB
(08/21 01:46:53) From Reteltee in Reteltee's Relto: Sorry, crashed out
(08/21 01:46:54) Zedra: =:
(08/21 01:46:57) From Reteltee in Reteltee's Relto: On my way back
(08/21 01:46:58) ZeroG: Whilyam: I love you - I totally didn't know that
(08/21 01:47:06) Montgomery: Reteltee is in his Relto, on the way back.
(08/21 01:47:06) Relayer Corps: Let's discuss what you had in mind Montgomery. Until Reteltee gets back
(08/21 01:47:08) Whilyam blushes
(08/21 01:47:12) Relayer Corps: nvmd
(08/21 01:47:13) To Reteltee in Reteltee's Relto: NP
(08/21 01:47:15) Andy Legate: yah, you got 50 poeple in the room, linking in and out and the KI get's unbareable.
(08/21 01:47:28) Whilyam: Please, it's only a KI command! :P
(08/21 01:47:48) From MustardJeep: yes please, next topic
(08/21 01:47:59) Ghaelen D'Lareh watches everyone rush to group hug Whilyam
(08/21 01:48:06) Whilyam: Gah!
(08/21 01:48:07) Relayer Corps: lol
(08/21 01:48:20) Montgomery: Whilyam, can the AoG grant moderator priveliges to individuals on the AoG forums? And will they?
(08/21 01:48:23) Relayer Corps: Don't tempt me Ghaelen
(08/21 01:48:23) Whilyam is squished
(08/21 01:48:26) Andy Legate: just don't start calling Whilyam Muffincakes.
(08/21 01:48:27) From MustardJeep: "You can also reply to a pm by typing "/reply "
(08/21 01:48:33) [Relayer] Boomer takes a deep breath
(08/21 01:48:39) Whilyam: Andy, that's gondar's real name.
(08/21 01:48:45) NadeMinogue: nominated Maintainer Guild Counsil members: Montgemry , Warren , Jishin , Mustard Jeep
(08/21 01:48:46) Relayer Corps: how about pumpkincakes?
(08/21 01:48:46) Whilyam: Mont, what do you mean?
(08/21 01:48:48) Andy Legate: i know : )
(08/21 01:48:52) Reteltee: Sorry everyone; major crash
(08/21 01:48:53) Ghaelen D'Lareh falls over laughing
(08/21 01:48:58) Relayer Corps: lol
(08/21 01:49:03) Andy Legate: Wb Reteltee
(08/21 01:49:08) Stephen C.: Wb
(08/21 01:49:18) J'anim Paedet: And he's back!
(08/21 01:49:24) Reteltee: Forgive my rudeness, but I'm going to stay away from the auditorium and just shout my answers
(08/21 01:49:25) MustardJeep: Welcome Back reteltee.
(08/21 01:49:26) Rocky salutes
(08/21 01:49:26) Montgomery: So eventual leaders can grant memberships, edit posts, etc. in their own sub-forums.
(08/21 01:49:30) IBnetweasel: WB Reteltee
(08/21 01:49:46) Montgomery: Any more questions ofr Reteltee?
(08/21 01:49:51) DaytonaKit: and hungry!!!
(08/21 01:49:52) Reteltee: And hopefully that will solve the problem; if I suddenly disappear again, please accept my apologies
(08/21 01:49:59) Reteltee: I didn't get to answer White Rose
(08/21 01:50:04) White Rose: Will the lag ever get fixed and what would happen to a guild should they try to rule the cavern
(08/21 01:50:05) Nadnerb: shimmer was next, if I recall..
(08/21 01:50:09) Reteltee: You asked about lag and something else?
(08/21 01:50:15) lfus: Shimmermillion is after White Rose)
(08/21 01:50:30) R'nway: um, how would a guild rule the cavern?
(08/21 01:50:44) Reteltee: Please remember to /shout everything you want me to hear
(08/21 01:50:48) R'nway: i don't think that's even possible
(08/21 01:50:56) R'nway: PLEASE STOP KCIKING THE CONE
(08/21 01:50:59) Montgomery: Please stop messing with the cone!
(08/21 01:51:10) R'nway: cones cause major lag
(08/21 01:51:11) Sorceress has a cone-shaped bruise on her back
(08/21 01:51:15) Dakro: Yes please that was rude
(08/21 01:51:34) Swimmery4: what on earth is going on? where is everyone?
(08/21 01:51:36) White Rose: Can my question please get answered
(08/21 01:51:51) Reteltee: Sorry White Rose, please ask again
(08/21 01:52:03) Frisky Badger: be sure to use shout rose
(08/21 01:52:10) Reteltee: I don't know about lag; that's a Cyan tech issue, and I've no insight there
(08/21 01:52:12) IBnetweasel: Swimmery,,,you are experience the ghost bug...please relink or relog
(08/21 01:52:16) lfus: (Please rememeber to type /shout before your question)
(08/21 01:52:20) Swimmery4: thanks, brb
(08/21 01:52:23) Whilyam: In this period of mass hysteria, I'm going to have to leave. Shorah! And may Biegalski's awesomeness protect you!
(08/21 01:52:33) Swimmery4: sorry about the cone, thought i was alone
(08/21 01:52:44) R'nway: no, there are 77 people here
(08/21 01:52:51) Thend nods his head
(08/21 01:52:55) Swimmery4: youre all ghosts to me then
(08/21 01:52:55) R'nway: s'okay
(08/21 01:52:59) From StuartGrist: mister mongomery how guilds will there be?
(08/21 01:53:00) R'nway: sry 'bout my yelling
(08/21 01:53:00) Swimmery4: brb
(08/21 01:53:04) White Rose: will the lag ever get fixed and what would happen to a guild should it think it could be powerful enough to rule the cavenr
(08/21 01:53:21) Reteltee: The Guild would fail
(08/21 01:53:24) NadeMinogue: ???
(08/21 01:53:24) To StuartGrist: 5 official, as many others as people wnt
(08/21 01:53:36) lfus: Shimmermillion is next
(08/21 01:53:38) Reteltee: It would fail miserably
(08/21 01:53:38) Shimmerillion: You mentioned that we will ultimately have to determine what form the guilds take. What has the drc/cyan learned from the liason affair regarding the necessary cooperation between explorers influencing story/content and the "key holders" (drc/cyan)?
(08/21 01:53:59) lfus: (Andy Legate is after shimmermilion)
(08/21 01:54:04) White Rose: Will the lag ever get fixed sorry shimmer
(08/21 01:54:09) Reteltee: I have sincere assurances from the DRC that this will be NOTHING like the Liason fiasco
(08/21 01:54:52) Shimmerillion: yes but what are they concretely doing differently
(08/21 01:55:13) To Zedra: How many more questions? Should we wrap this up and move on?
(08/21 01:55:17) Shimmerillion: yes but what are they concretely doing differently
(08/21 01:55:20) Shimmerillion: (forgot shout)
(08/21 01:55:22) White Rose: Missed that with all the interruptions thanks
(08/21 01:55:43) Jacet Cyber: Is the lag happening because there are so many here
(08/21 01:55:45) From Zedra: we have possible 7 more in the queue
(08/21 01:55:50) From Zedra: shall we continue?
(08/21 01:56:00) Paradox: Lag is all client-side and caused by RAM, video cards, and CPU
(08/21 01:56:09) NadeMinogue: lol
(08/21 01:56:14) NadeMinogue: i wish
(08/21 01:56:14) Reteltee: Well, for one, giving the Explorers a much greater voice in how they impact the structure of the Cavern
(08/21 01:56:16) Paradox: Thus, it is not technically lag, but rather hardware limitations
(08/21 01:56:21) Error: (Can't find 'I'll' in any of the player lists.)
(08/21 01:56:36) To Zedra: I'll ask for 3 last questions
(08/21 01:56:42) Swimmery4: again, my apologies, thought i was by myself in some odd instance
(08/21 01:56:58) Reteltee: Next?
(08/21 01:57:02) Andy Legate: Reteltee; Cate Alexander was quoted as saying to bring back the Guilds "just like the D'ni". Does this mean that the DRC plans to impliment the Guild system just as the D'ni ran it? Or will they allow us to correct mistakes that the D'ni made with the Guilds?
(08/21 01:57:07) From Zedra: okay we got the last three then
(08/21 01:57:19) Montgomery: 3more questions ofr Reteltee, plus thos already in the que. Let's not wear him out!
(08/21 01:57:27) Reteltee: Just like the D'ni should be taken in the context of "just like Ri'neref intended it"
(08/21 01:57:35) lfus: ((graoaht is after Andy Legate)
(08/21 01:57:40) Reteltee: Lol, thx Monty
(08/21 01:57:50) Frisky Badger: ooo that was a really good answer
(08/21 01:57:57) Anthony: Good
(08/21 01:58:04) Andy Legate: Thanks.
(08/21 01:58:05) --=V4iLiN=--: I would like to know if the DRC are going to open up the Guild Hall in the city, and provide the guilds some tools etc. I really think Cyan would want to keep everything within the game. so we gotta have in game Objects and tools we can use. Could this please be mentioned to 'The Powers that Be' for me ty
(08/21 01:58:06) Nadnerb: and could you please announce who will be asking next?
(08/21 01:58:06) Anthony: I like that answer
(08/21 01:58:20) Reteltee: Yes
(08/21 01:58:36) Reteltee: To both
(08/21 01:58:42) Sorceress: WoW!
(08/21 01:58:42) Reteltee: :)
(08/21 01:58:53) Reteltee: Next?
(08/21 01:58:57) lfus: groath
(08/21 01:59:26) lfus: (Please have your questions pretyped in)
(08/21 01:59:49) lfus: (RElayer Corp is next afrter graoth)
(08/21 01:59:54) groath: do you now if in the near future if the guild area of the city will be re opened for the guilds?or if the maintaniers will have suits ready for them any time soon or will grenesh pardon my spelling be the HQ for the maintaniers?
(08/21 02:00:10) groath: sorry was cleaning houes
(08/21 02:00:22) Reteltee: The answer to all of the above is I do not know, sorry :(
(08/21 02:00:36) groath: ok ty
(08/21 02:00:38) Reteltee: Next?
(08/21 02:00:42) Relayer Corps: Will any group joining a Guild retain it's autonomy and individuality? Or will they be completely absorbed into the guild?
(08/21 02:00:43) From Andy Legate: At least this is going better than Episode interviews.
(08/21 02:00:57) Reteltee: That depends entirely upon the desire of the group
(08/21 02:01:03) Relayer Corps: ty
(08/21 02:01:08) lfus: (Saavedro is after Relayer Corp)
(08/21 02:01:14) Saavadro: With all of this focus being put on the guild formations by the DRC, will it continue to work on restoring further areas of THIS cavern and translating more ancient D'ni texts? If not, will a seperate guild or guilds have to be formed to speed these areas up?
(08/21 02:01:14) Reteltee: And the Guild
(08/21 02:01:19) To Andy Legate: Yes. I am very pleased. Will make this chatlog very easy to read.
(08/21 02:01:54) Reteltee: The DRC will continue to restore as much of the Cavern as possible, while maintaining safety and security for all of the Explorers
(08/21 02:02:11) R'nway: wow, now thats a typical DRC answer
(08/21 02:02:23) Stephen C.: Lol
(08/21 02:02:27) Dragonia starts to laugh
(08/21 02:02:29) --=V4iLiN=--: gesh
(08/21 02:02:32) Reteltee: As to Guild involvement in that process I cannot say (in actuality, I am not allowed to say)
(08/21 02:02:33) NadeMinogue: haha
(08/21 02:02:34) Andy Legate laughs
(08/21 02:02:35) [Relayer] Kerryth: oooh
(08/21 02:02:37) Saavadro: i guess will see when that time comes
(08/21 02:02:40) lfus: (WarrenWeisstieg is after Saavedro)
(08/21 02:02:41) Saavadro: thx
(08/21 02:02:41) R'nway: now that's even more DRC
(08/21 02:02:46) Swimmery4 cant help but agree
(08/21 02:02:50) Reteltee: A good and fair question though
(08/21 02:02:55) Reteltee: Next?
(08/21 02:02:56) R'nway: and well fielded
(08/21 02:03:10) lfus: WarrenWeistieg
(08/21 02:03:35) Warren Weisstieg: what kind of guild structure does the DRc have planned as far as Guild masters, all-guild council, ewtc. I know this will be broought up later, but just a question
(08/21 02:03:49) Scarlette: nope not much
(08/21 02:04:04) lfus: (V4iLin is after warren)
(08/21 02:04:54) lfus: (Barbarra is after Warren)
(08/21 02:05:07) Reteltee: ?
(08/21 02:05:11) R'nway: could the people who are walking around please have a seat, to minimisze lag?
(08/21 02:05:12) Reteltee: Next?
(08/21 02:05:14) lfus: barbarra
(08/21 02:05:24) Andy Legate: warren, use /shout
(08/21 02:05:26) Warren Weisstieg: Oh sorry, I forgot to shout it
(08/21 02:05:29) IBnetweasel: did Reteltee hear warren's question? Warren...please /shout your question
(08/21 02:05:40) Reteltee: Ah
(08/21 02:05:49) Warren Weisstieg: what kind of guild structure is plannedalong the lines of Guild masters, councils, etc?
(08/21 02:05:56) Reteltee: Yes
(08/21 02:05:56) Warren Weisstieg: Sorry guys
(08/21 02:06:01) Reteltee: ;)
(08/21 02:06:07) lfus: (AB Guy is after Barbarra)
(08/21 02:06:35) Reteltee: There is a structure planned, and it will be in line with the original vision of Master Ri'neref
(08/21 02:06:50) Reteltee: Next?
(08/21 02:06:54) R'nway makes a not to reseach taht
(08/21 02:06:57) R'nway: note
(08/21 02:07:01) lfus: Barbarra is next
(08/21 02:07:07) NadeMinogue: im sorry i have to go ill catch the rest of it on the forums
(08/21 02:07:11) --=V4iLiN=-- same here
(08/21 02:07:11) NadeMinogue: l8r
(08/21 02:07:14) R'nway: bye
(08/21 02:07:17) Yali: Now we're gettin' somewhere! Kudos Reteltee!
(08/21 02:07:19) R'nway: to both
(08/21 02:07:27) Reteltee: Why thank you :)
(08/21 02:07:50) Reteltee: Barb?
(08/21 02:07:56) Reteltee: Did you /shout?
(08/21 02:08:02) lfus: (AB Guy is next)
(08/21 02:08:31) IBnetweasel: shall we move on with Abguy?
(08/21 02:08:32) lfus: go ahead with your question AB
(08/21 02:08:35) ABguy: Reteltee: Where do new ideas and guilds fit into your vision for the way guilds will interact?
(08/21 02:08:51) lfus: (our last question will be from Thend)
(08/21 02:09:01) Reteltee: They're essential
(08/21 02:09:49) Reteltee: As I hope I've made clear (if not by eloquence, then at least by repition), my vision of the Guilds is US. The Explorers, the ones with the greatest stake in what happens here in our world
(08/21 02:10:11) Reteltee: So new ideas and lots of people are integral to that concept
(08/21 02:10:26) Reteltee: As for the interaction....well, that will become clearer in time
(08/21 02:10:31) R'nway: along taht note, what are the DRC's plans to incorporate explorer written ages?
(08/21 02:10:46) Reteltee: I don't know
(08/21 02:10:59) R'nway: thanks anyway
(08/21 02:11:06) Reteltee: No prob
(08/21 02:11:09) Reteltee: Thend?
(08/21 02:11:10) lfus: Thend
(08/21 02:11:11) Thend: D'ni structure according to Rineref - So, there WILL be an elected King of D'ni sometime 'in the future', eh?
(08/21 02:11:20) --=V4iLiN=--: that is where My request comes into play R'nway
(08/21 02:11:22) --=V4iLiN=--: lol
(08/21 02:11:32) Yali: I vote for Thend as King
(08/21 02:11:34) groath: a king!?
(08/21 02:11:39) Reteltee: Nope, at least, not that I know of. I am referring soley to the Guild structure
(08/21 02:11:41) groath: i say i want to be king
(08/21 02:11:43) Relayer Corps: I second that vote!
(08/21 02:11:43) Thend starts to laugh
(08/21 02:11:48) Montgomery: Sorry -- Host's Privelige! On last question: Reteltee, where is the best place for people to ask you these kinds of questions after this meeting?
(08/21 02:11:48) Andy Legate: Montgomery for King.
(08/21 02:12:04) Swimmery4 chants "Thend! Thend! Thend!"
(08/21 02:12:16) Reteltee: Well, you can always PM me on the Uru Obsession forums, or the Assembly of Guilds forums
(08/21 02:12:21) Scarlette starts to laugh
(08/21 02:12:22) From MustardJeep: Nice :)
(08/21 02:12:31) Nadnerb: wasn't Thend going to ask?
(08/21 02:12:33) groath says he wants to be king plzzzzzzz
(08/21 02:12:35) Reteltee: Also feel free to email me: onlyforgame@clearwire.net
(08/21 02:12:54) Reteltee: And always feel free to ping me in the Cavern
(08/21 02:12:54) Anthony: Oy, if we can't get behind one guy there won't be a king
(08/21 02:13:05) Montgomery: On behalf of everyone here and those reading this log, thank you Reteltee!
(08/21 02:13:09) groath: me......
(08/21 02:13:10) Relayer Corps: YEY!! No KING!
(08/21 02:13:12) Sorceress claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:15) LostOwl claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:15) Andy Legate: we'll never see Reteltee again, he'll be toobusy answering questions!
(08/21 02:13:15) Swimmery4 claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:16) Relayer Corps claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:17) Dakro claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:19) Kalypso claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:21) groath: THANK YOU!
(08/21 02:13:21) Sparrowhawk claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:21) gwynhwyvar claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:21) Mar'ith claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:23) J'anim Paedet claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:24) d'ni everything claps
(08/21 02:13:24) Mary26 claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:27) Andy Legate claps hands
(08/21 02:13:27) [Relayer] Kerryth claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:28) groath: you rock!
(08/21 02:13:29) BrandyWynne claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:29) Thend claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:30) Swimmery4 claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:30) cwjunior claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:30) Paradox: !chehv shehm Rehteltee
(08/21 02:13:30) Dragonia claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:30) Zedra claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:30) ABguy claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:31) groath claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:32) lfus claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:32) Stephen C. claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:35) MustardJeep cheers
(08/21 02:13:35) ~~meadow~~ claps her hands
(08/21 02:13:35) Resolute Guardian claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:36) R'nway claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:37) --=V4iLiN=-- claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:38) Saavadro: cev Sem, Reteltee!
(08/21 02:13:38) Dalken Starbyne claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:39) Dichromus claps his hands
(08/21 02:13:39) Frisky Badger: thanks for the time Reteltee
(08/21 02:13:40) Reteltee: I consider it my privelage to speak with and listen to my fellow Explorers
(08/21 02:13:41) SuperGram frowns at the idea of a king.....
(08/21 02:13:46) IBnetweasel: THank you Mont and Reteltee!
(08/21 02:13:48) Reteltee: Lol, thanks for having me everyone
(08/21 02:13:51) R'nway thanks you
(08/21 02:13:51) Swimmery4 is lost on the flooding purple text!
(08/21 02:13:59) Warren Weisstieg: Take care Reteltee
(08/21 02:14:02) d'ni everything agrees with SuperGram
(08/21 02:14:05) R'nway emotes
(08/21 02:14:08) Montgomery: don't leave yet, everyone. Ther is more.
(08/21 02:14:08) Reteltee: And thanks for your kindness and support
(08/21 02:14:08) Reteltee: I bid the fondest Shorah to you all
(08/21 02:14:09) groath: thanks to every one who helped
(08/21 02:14:20) ABguy: Thank you Zedra and Ifus!
(08/21 02:14:26) IBnetweasel: ooo more...yea!
(08/21 02:14:29) groath: thank you
(08/21 02:14:36) R'nway: yes indeed z and lfus
(08/21 02:14:36) Andy Legate: oh good! Refreashments?
(08/21 02:14:38) lfus: Yw AB
(08/21 02:14:39) d'ni everything: Tiki stop kissing the wall
(08/21 02:14:42) Relayer Corps: Bahro cookies
(08/21 02:14:48) Dalken Starbyne: Thank you EVERYONE, for hosting, moderating, and attending this meeting!
(08/21 02:14:58) Frisky Badger: we aren't done yet!
(08/21 02:15:02) Thend: A cartoon, a newsreel, then back to the show
(08/21 02:15:04) Swimmery4 passes refreshments out
(08/21 02:15:16) Montgomery: Reteltee was just the first item on the agenda!
(08/21 02:15:18) Relayer Corps: what's next on the agenda?
(08/21 02:15:19) --=V4iLiN=--: I Want to Make a few new Guild hoods , one hood for each of the shirts, I suggest
(08/21 02:15:21) Dalken Starbyne: Maybe not, Frisky, but I gotta go :P
(08/21 02:15:26) Paradox: Again, just a quick announcement, the GoW will be hosting a meeting in the coming week, look on the MOUL Guilds forum for more information :)
(08/21 02:15:28) Shimmerillion gets up to stretch
(08/21 02:15:36) Frisky Badger: those already exist Relayer
(08/21 02:15:50) Montgomery: 5 minute break for "personal business."
(08/21 02:15:53) groath is sad to say but the refreshments did not get pass him and every one beyownd him are wondering were they are....
(08/21 02:16:02) Relayer Corps: what already exist? I didn't say anything
(08/21 02:16:07) J'anim Paedet eyes the invisible cooler
(08/21 02:16:10) From Reteltee in Reteltee's Relto: If anyone didn't get my contact info and wants it, please feel free to give it out
(08/21 02:16:17) From Reteltee in Reteltee's Relto: Thanks again for having me
(08/21 02:16:19) R'nway asks groath to kindly take only one and save some for the others
(08/21 02:16:23) Relayer Corps: Except bahro cookies
(08/21 02:16:24) Frisky Badger: sorry that should have been directed at V4iLiN
(08/21 02:16:28) To Reteltee in Reteltee's Relto: will do! Thanks again. great job.
(08/21 02:16:30) Relayer Corps: Lol ok
(08/21 02:16:35) Saavadro: there is no Writers 'hood
(08/21 02:16:37) From Dalken Starbyne: I gotta go. WHere can I find a copy of the log once after the meeting is done?
(08/21 02:16:39) From Reteltee in Reteltee's Relto: Oh thank you! Always a pleasure
(08/21 02:16:39) Warren Weisstieg: Hey, I got to go, I'm represnting the Maintainers, but I think Montgomery can do that just as well
(08/21 02:16:45) Warren Weisstieg: good day everyone
(08/21 02:16:46) Swimmery4 links to the store to buy more stuff
(08/21 02:16:50) R'nway: farewell
(08/21 02:16:51) Relayer Corps: just want to make sure I wasn't being blamed for anything I didn't do again
(08/21 02:16:52) Montgomery: Well, Reteltee promised free beer. Anybody see where he put it?
(08/21 02:16:52) Frisky Badger: I'm pretty sure there is
(08/21 02:17:02) Shimmerillion: lol monty
(08/21 02:17:04) R'nway: where is the link to the store?
(08/21 02:17:05) MustardJeep burps
(08/21 02:17:09) --=V4iLiN=--: just so we can get orginised better in game , this forum stuff (out of game) IMO personly dislike
(08/21 02:17:11) R'nway: book or stone?
(08/21 02:17:26) d'ni everything passes popcorn and Twizzlers again
(08/21 02:17:37) Relayer Corps: what is with people and kissing the walls today?
(08/21 02:17:39) Shimmerillion: ooh popcorn
(08/21 02:17:41) groath: weres the free link to go to a rock concert at.......
(08/21 02:17:48) From Dalken Starbyne: Hello?
(08/21 02:17:48) Swimmery4 starts up a dozen coffee makers
(08/21 02:17:51) IBnetweasel: is the beer next tot he tub of wings from last meeting?
(08/21 02:17:52) --=V4iLiN=--: lol
(08/21 02:17:56) To Dalken Starbyne: Hi
(08/21 02:17:57) Sorceress sips her iced tea
(08/21 02:18:00) d'ni everything: I think they are looking for the link to the store
(08/21 02:18:02) --=V4iLiN=--: we need Mr Cloak
(08/21 02:18:05) Andy Legate: that Deem has been going in circles kissing the walls several times now.
(08/21 02:18:08) R'nway: lag makes it hard for people to turn, and hard for us to see i immediately when they do
(08/21 02:18:11) --=V4iLiN=--: lol
(08/21 02:18:17) From Dalken Starbyne: I gotta go, d'you know where I'll be able to find the log of this?
(08/21 02:18:22) Swimmery4: im sure the books in the nexus somewhere :)
(08/21 02:18:29) To Dalken Starbyne: on MOUL for sure.
(08/21 02:18:32) R'nway suspects deem has a slow connection, or a slow computer
(08/21 02:18:33) groath: so party at my jalak after this
(08/21 02:18:37) From Dalken Starbyne: Alright. Thanks
(08/21 02:18:37) J'min: It's a bug... The game thinks a key is being pressed or the mouse button
(08/21 02:18:46) peni: lol
(08/21 02:18:48) Mary26: Hurricane Deem is over I guess
(08/21 02:18:52) [Relayer] Kerryth: lol
(08/21 02:18:54) Thend: Hey! There's a lot of people here! I can announce something!
(08/21 02:18:58) Montgomery: OK, shall we continue?
(08/21 02:19:01) groath: montgomery want to come to my jalak after this and play some games?
(08/21 02:19:02) Saavadro: well its bedtime in NY so nice seein' yall!
(08/21 02:19:04) Deem: lollol
(08/21 02:19:05) R'nway shudders at the thought of what jalak would do with 70+ people in it
(08/21 02:19:08) d'ni everything squishes bug crawling by with heel of foot
(08/21 02:19:09) --=V4iLiN=--: lotta rubber banding goin on
(08/21 02:19:13) IBnetweasel: sounds good Monty...lets
(08/21 02:19:17) Kalypso: Reteltee talked earlier about Ri'neref vision of the Guilds. I check Mystlore but did not find what exactly was hisvision aside that he wasN,t grand Master on Gaternay...
(08/21 02:19:25) Montgomery: Sure, Groath.
(08/21 02:19:29) Swimmery4 adds raid to the shopping list, and makes sure to keep it away from the food
(08/21 02:19:33) groath: sweet
(08/21 02:19:38) Thend: Day of Dancing - September 3rd, 24 hours long, every DJ we can gather playing in the Cavern one after another, everywhere - Be there! ;D
(08/21 02:19:47) Kalypso: so anyone knows what was his vision?
(08/21 02:19:49) d'ni everything sprays Deet
(08/21 02:19:57) Frisky Badger: in short his vision for the Guilds was that they serve the community and not the other way around
(08/21 02:20:01) --=V4iLiN=--: ty for the nfo
(08/21 02:20:06) Kalypso: Thank you Frisky
(08/21 02:20:07) Thend nods his head
(08/21 02:20:08) R'nway: makes sense to me
(08/21 02:20:09) Montgomery: SOmeone will post a topic on MOUL about Ri'neref's vision, I'm sure.
(08/21 02:20:10) From Relayer Corps: are we continuing the meeting soon?
(08/21 02:20:22) To Relayer Corps: yes. now!
(08/21 02:20:24) SuperGram: I would agree with that concept
(08/21 02:20:27) From Relayer Corps: kk
(08/21 02:20:29) Sorceress: Ri'neref was very humble. he even refused to have a palace for him built until teh Guild Hall was finished being constructed.
(08/21 02:20:39) Montgomery: OK! Next topic.
(08/21 02:20:39) Relayer Corps: Let's get on with the meeting please
(08/21 02:20:50) Montgomery: Settle, people! Settle!
(08/21 02:20:55) R'nway: i think we were on a five minute break if i'm not mistaken
(08/21 02:20:57) peni nods her head
(08/21 02:21:03) d'ni everything: ehem
(08/21 02:21:09) Swimmery4 hands montgomery a whip to keep them in line
(08/21 02:21:10) R'nway: but i take it the break is over now
(08/21 02:21:12) BrandyWynne taps her foot
(08/21 02:21:14) Dichromus waves hello
(08/21 02:21:14) Nadnerb: and I think it's been 5 minutes..
(08/21 02:21:42) groath: ok
(08/21 02:21:47) Anthony: He held out even after the hall and the temple to Yahvo was built
(08/21 02:22:00) Scarlette: hey dak :)
(08/21 02:22:00) Montgomery: OK, I wanted to address the issue of what to du until the Guilds become official and there is something to actually join.
(08/21 02:22:08) Anthony: he prefered a simple house
(08/21 02:22:09) d'ni everything: oh dear-Almas - someone turn her this way
(08/21 02:22:18) R'nway: hey, it's deem again
(08/21 02:22:32) R'nway: ah, that's what i was wondering about
(08/21 02:22:33) --=V4iLiN=--: the Tomb of the great king lays benieth the guild Hall
(08/21 02:22:41) Montgomery: I think Deem is the Kirel house ghost ....
(08/21 02:22:44) Relayer Corps: what do you propose Montgomery?
(08/21 02:22:58) Deem: :) It feels like molasses.
(08/21 02:23:01) Anthony: yes a sign of the pride of the d'ni government over time
(08/21 02:23:41) Montgomery: I propose we establish 5 "pre-guilds" Basicall, just like wearing the shirts, but it is a way to collect names, KI#s and for people to communicate with fellow members.
(08/21 02:24:17) Montgomery: MustardJeep is already collecting names and s of people interested in the Maintainers.
(08/21 02:24:28) R'nway: could we establish official sites for each
(08/21 02:24:31) From groath: you get my invite?
(08/21 02:24:45) R'nway: i have seen that many guilds have had several people make redundant sites
(08/21 02:24:52) Sorceress: Are the 5 "pre-guilds" the same as the five announced by the DRC?
(08/21 02:24:54) Mary26: Cartographers have one at www.urumaps.com
(08/21 02:25:03) Error: Don't know how to '/shout, then if and when we decide to establish some leadership for making decisions, we can recruit or nominate from those pols, and those members would vote.'
(08/21 02:25:05) From Relayer Corps: The GOM has a thread up on AOG. Asking for council nominations
(08/21 02:25:06) moirajane: will you be taking questions after?
(08/21 02:25:11) R'nway: it would be good if we could standardized the guild sites on one pre guil
(08/21 02:25:11) R'nway: d
(08/21 02:25:18) Shimmerillion: i think it would help for each to have a site, because there is one location for information (rather than forum hopping)
(08/21 02:25:25) From groath: i will just have you use my relto book
(08/21 02:25:34) R'nway: yes, not all of us are members at all of the forums
(08/21 02:25:34) Montgomery: Sorry, my long coment was errored.
(08/21 02:25:44) [Relayer] Kerryth: Several news organizations have sites.
(08/21 02:25:52) From moirajane: will you be taking Q's?
(08/21 02:25:56) Swimmery4: Individual sites should be put off until after the pre-guild stages, imo
(08/21 02:26:11) R'nway: how will we communicate in teh mean-time, swimmery?
(08/21 02:26:11) Kalypso: That is the problem Kerryth
(08/21 02:26:12) [Relayer] Kerryth: What about existing ones?
(08/21 02:26:15) Montgomery: The ideas would be to join a pre-guild for one or more of the 5, just like wearing the shirt -- a way to show support.
(08/21 02:26:21) groath: mustard i am intrested in maitaniers ALOT!
(08/21 02:26:21) Montgomery: I'll take Qs.
(08/21 02:26:23) Shimmerillion: existing ones would stay in use
(08/21 02:26:26) tikibear (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(08/21 02:26:26) tikibear (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(08/21 02:26:27) Relayer Corps: We are also trying to get GOM council nominations on the AOG site
(08/21 02:26:37) Swimmery4: use the AoG forums for preguild
(08/21 02:26:48) From moirajane: now or after?
(08/21 02:26:48) R'nway: are you sure we should be forming councils already?
(08/21 02:26:51) Montgomery: It's a way to collect names and #s and comunicate with fellow members.
(08/21 02:27:00) R'nway: what are the maintainers maintaining at the moment?
(08/21 02:27:03) groath: hey mustared?
(08/21 02:27:05) Shimmerillion: i don't know ... forums are not user-friendly to everyone. you have to be a Forumite to be able to find information ... :P
(08/21 02:27:08) Stephen C.: Poor deem
(08/21 02:27:12) Montgomery: And the pre-guilds would be pols from which to nominate leaders.
(08/21 02:27:22) lfus: (PM Zedra with the work QUESTION to get in the que)
(08/21 02:27:29) Montgomery: *pools
(08/21 02:27:49) Montgomery: I'll take Qs in a second.
(08/21 02:27:51) groath: muastred?
(08/21 02:28:32) Shimmerillion: is there discussion allowed for each topic/question? or do you have to pm to speak?
(08/21 02:28:33) lfus: ( Please have your question pretyped)
(08/21 02:28:44) Relayer Corps: pm shimmer
(08/21 02:28:48) Shimmerillion: k
(08/21 02:28:49) Montgomery: As for leadership, I'm proposing a model of 5 elected members of equal status to be a council for each guild. No single GuildMasters!
(08/21 02:29:13) groath: mustardjeep can you put me down on that list for maintaners
(08/21 02:29:18) Swimmery4 agrees
(08/21 02:29:27) Relayer Corps nods her head
(08/21 02:29:33) groath: oh i want to be on the council!
(08/21 02:29:38) --=V4iLiN=--: yea I feel that there should be one central website that houses all the guilds forums or links to them
(08/21 02:29:39) groath: plz!
(08/21 02:29:42) Montgomery: /Shout I'd suggest each person use the Mods to ask questions, but I won't go on to the next person until discussion is over for that question.
(08/21 02:29:48) R'nway: shimmer, from what i understand, we pm lfus with the word question, then we keep our question pre-typed until we are callled on so taht we can ask quickly
(08/21 02:30:21) Montgomery: OK. Who's first?
(08/21 02:30:21) R'nway: however, for discussion, i beleive we just speak up when we have something to say about the current topic, is that correct?
(08/21 02:30:21) Ghaelen D'Lareh (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(08/21 02:30:22) Godschild (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(08/21 02:30:32) BrandyWynne: and use '/shout'
(08/21 02:30:36) lfus: ( Please hold your comments until the end and don't forget to pm zedra with the word Question)
(08/21 02:30:42) R'nway: yes, the /shout is important
(08/21 02:30:50) IBnetweasel: pm Zedra with question...then have your ? pretyped (with /shout) and lfus will call on you when it is your turn
(08/21 02:30:56) Montgomery: We can try that R'nway, and see if it stays under control.
(08/21 02:30:56) lfus: Andy Legate
(08/21 02:31:01) Andy Legate: So Montgomery; you are suggesting that we set up a place simply as a place for people to go sign up just so they can show their interest in joining that guild? And you're recommending the Assembly of Guilds web site as a good starting point since it already houses a lot of guilds there?
(08/21 02:31:04) groath: edra can you move towards the fron so we can see you insted of scrolling the list of names
(08/21 02:31:17) lfus: ( Dichromus is after Andy)
(08/21 02:31:25) Montgomery: Andy -- exactly right.
(08/21 02:31:31) groath: my z does not want to works osme times
(08/21 02:31:42) R'nway: just type "/p Zedra question"
(08/21 02:31:44) Kalypso: Reteltee agreed that AOG was a good place to start
(08/21 02:31:54) groath: ok ty
(08/21 02:31:55) Andy Legate: ty
(08/21 02:31:58) IBnetweasel: to PM zedra with question just type "/p Zedra question"
(08/21 02:31:59) groath: sorry montgomery
(08/21 02:32:13) Montgomery: NP!
(08/21 02:32:23) MustardJeep: That is part of what I have been doing collecting KI numbers, next is tagging up with people wearing the shirts.
(08/21 02:32:44) Montgomery: Everyone did a fantastic job keeping order while Reteltee was here. Let's keep it up.
(08/21 02:32:55) From moirajane: Please say NEXT when you are ready for the next Q
(08/21 02:32:59) Montgomery: First questin?
(08/21 02:33:13) lfus: Dichromus is next
(08/21 02:33:13) Montgomery: NEXT
(08/21 02:33:17) Dichromus: In my experience, ruling by committee doesn't work. You need a leader even if it only the committee chairperson. What do you think?
(08/21 02:33:35) R'nway: that's an ecellent point
(08/21 02:33:36) lfus: (R'nway is after Dichromus)
(08/21 02:33:38) Montgomery: OK ... long answer.
(08/21 02:33:41) Shimmerillion: or an odd number (for vote)
(08/21 02:34:16) Montgomery: I'm afraid Cate will try to take over the guilds. So I want power decentralized in case she singles out leaders to sway to her side.
(08/21 02:34:32) Relayer Corps agrees
(08/21 02:34:46) SuperGram agrees
(08/21 02:34:51) Montgomery: It may be an irrational fear, but many signs point to it.
(08/21 02:35:00) Dichromus: that sounds like the road to confrontation
(08/21 02:35:03) Andy Legate nodds in agreement.
(08/21 02:35:10) Swimmery4: normally that would be paranoid, but in the case of Cate, i agree
(08/21 02:35:20) Mary26 agrees
(08/21 02:35:22) Montgomery: I just want to be prepared. And the pre-guilds is a way to test this model before the official guilds arrive.
(08/21 02:35:34) Shimmerillion: lol swim
(08/21 02:35:34) Dichromus: I see thanks
(08/21 02:35:36) lfus: ( Please hold all comments until the end...)
(08/21 02:35:50) Montgomery: Does that answer your question?
(08/21 02:36:01) Dichromus: ?shout yes thanks
(08/21 02:36:02) ComputerSage: Reteltee can always break ties or provide advice on any disagreements
(08/21 02:36:02) lfus: R'nway is up
(08/21 02:36:08) Dichromus: oops
(08/21 02:36:08) R'nway: Will the DRC be releasing documentation and age writing tools to the guild of writers anytime soon, or are we fairly useless right now?
(08/21 02:36:28) lfus: (V4iLin is after R'nway)
(08/21 02:36:48) Montgomery: I have no idea. Reteltee might be able to answer that, and I believe he has been asked to relay that question to Cyan.
(08/21 02:36:57) Shimmerillion: r'nway, you could also start planning ages - mapping out the land, concept art, creating jpuzzles, etc
(08/21 02:37:02) groath: also games mabye a question here or there but mostly games
(08/21 02:37:09) Montgomery: Next.
(08/21 02:37:11) Frisky Badger: it is possible to create Ages now, you just can't get them into Uru
(08/21 02:37:13) groath: ops rong chat sorry!
(08/21 02:37:21) lfus: V4iLin is up
(08/21 02:37:57) R'nway: taht's an excellent point, we can do teh initial planning for ages even thoughwe cannotbegin writing ages yet
(08/21 02:38:07) lfus: (please have you questions pretyped in)
(08/21 02:38:10) Montgomery: V4iLin?
(08/21 02:38:34) --=V4iLiN=--: I think making some new hoods, one for each shirt of the guilds would be the best way, of coarse you will have to join your guild hood. then it will be alot easer knowing who is all in your guild and who. alot easer later on in the game, if Cyan ever adds some tools etc for us to use. // and agrees with the assembly of guilds be alot easer to find your guild forum.
(08/21 02:38:39) R'nway: but we may make the whole thing and find out taht it is incompatible with whatevercyan ever gives us to work with
(08/21 02:38:55) lfus: AB Guy is after V4iLin)
(08/21 02:39:04) Frisky Badger: those hoods already exist
(08/21 02:39:12) R'nway: however, we may want to be in a 'hood with people from many guilds
(08/21 02:39:27) R'nway: surely in the days of the D'ni the maintainers did not all live in one hood
(08/21 02:39:45) R'nway: just as not all of our engineers on teh surface live in teh same area
(08/21 02:39:52) Montgomery: Actually, V, graydragon has mentioned that the word "guild" is being made a forbidden word for making hoods. There were about 5 Maintainers Guild hhods at one point. The Guild Pubs are coming in a couple f weeks.
(08/21 02:39:56) Mark_AF: mostly they did
(08/21 02:39:57) lfus: (Please hold all comments until the end... thanks)
(08/21 02:40:02) --=V4iLiN=--: Thats the catch to show you are serious about that guild
(08/21 02:40:09) R'nway: oh, there are guild pubs coming?
(08/21 02:40:14) Sorceress: As in the upcoming new episode?
(08/21 02:40:16) Shimmerillion: or there could be a weekly meeting for each guild in a regular hood. that way you catch all the non-OOCers
(08/21 02:40:24) Frisky Badger: actually Ifus, Montgomery said we could discuss questions
(08/21 02:40:50) Shimmerillion: (non forum hoppers) :P
(08/21 02:40:52) Swimmery4: we just have to stop discussing when we move to the next one
(08/21 02:40:52) --=V4iLiN=--: ahh good to know
(08/21 02:40:55) Montgomery: we can discuss if we stay on topic.
(08/21 02:41:04) Thend: Cate announced the Guild Pubs at the end of last DRC busy 'week'
(08/21 02:41:07) Montgomery: Anything else on hoods
(08/21 02:41:16) R'nway: oh, i didn't know that, thanks thend
(08/21 02:41:21) Thend: No further details
(08/21 02:41:24) Thend nods his head
(08/21 02:41:30) Montgomery: NEXT!
(08/21 02:41:33) ABguy: Montgomery: If it is true that we are to be the guilds, its not possible to conform to a ridgid stucture especially since the guilds will perform different functions. Don't you think to be truely flexible that all the guilds will need to discover their own structures instead of handing out a cookie cutter type style of leadership?
(08/21 02:41:40) groath: np
(08/21 02:42:09) lfus: (Andy Legate is after AB Guy)
(08/21 02:42:56) Montgomery: Excellent point, AB! I agree. I'm merely making a suggstion. And it is based on the way the Greeters are already doing things. But it is just a suggestion. If we do choose to share the same model, it will make many things easier for everyone.
(08/21 02:42:58) R'nway: for example, Writers make wish to organize more according to the software dev pipeline the eventually settle on
(08/21 02:43:07) cgreen:
(08/21 02:43:57) Montgomery: I agree the individual guilds and groups may need to do things their own way, and I don't mean to suggest otherwise.
(08/21 02:43:57) MustardJeep: none of the structure "stuff" is going to get decided tonight, it's just suggestions to get people thinking.
(08/21 02:44:01) Shimmerillion: in most organizations, the leaders are not the doers. they help facilitate the success of their doers. it seems like that would be the same, regardless
(08/21 02:44:32) [Relayer] Kerryth: That is not true of any organization I have Iver belonged to.
(08/21 02:44:41) From Zedra: There are only 2 more questions in the queue, fyi.
(08/21 02:44:43) Montgomery: Bottom line -- I just feel more comfortable with decentralized power in the Big 5.
(08/21 02:44:47) Shimmerillion: im thinking more of real world organizations
(08/21 02:44:51) R'nway: unfortunately, the leaders often mistake the purpose of the doers and theink the doerws are meant to help teh leader achieve success
(08/21 02:44:56) SuperGram: I disagree with Shimmerillin also
(08/21 02:45:02) To Zedra: TY!
(08/21 02:45:10) [Relayer] Kerryth: The real world is where we all live.
(08/21 02:45:11) IBnetweasel: I would like to talk a bit about the GoG as an example for other guilds if there is a chance...
(08/21 02:45:19) Shimmerillion: i'm not suggesting the leaders never did any of the doing
(08/21 02:45:19) d'ni everything: im just wondering how many guilds, corps and bevins one needs before we implode with organizations having seperate agendas
(08/21 02:45:36) R'nway: yes, that is a good point
(08/21 02:45:44) Montgomery: Sure, IB -- go ahead. You have the floor.
(08/21 02:45:47) --=V4iLiN=--: True
(08/21 02:45:51) Deem claps her hands
(08/21 02:45:58) ResEng A. Biegalski: Defiant Association of Hairstylists.
(08/21 02:45:59) IBnetweasel: is this OK with everyone if I talk a bit?
(08/21 02:46:03) ResEng A. Biegalski: Doh, sorry.
(08/21 02:46:07) Stephen C.: sure
(08/21 02:46:09) Sorceress starts to laugh
(08/21 02:46:11) MustardJeep: If it works right the "Big 5" can spearhead for smaller groups.
(08/21 02:46:11) Deem: Yes.
(08/21 02:46:14) R'nway: well, Mr. Beigalski
(08/21 02:46:16) Rocky: Yep
(08/21 02:46:17) Swimmery4: go ahead!
(08/21 02:46:19) R'nway: welcome rath3er
(08/21 02:46:28) ResEng A. Biegalski feels VERY silly now...
(08/21 02:46:37) Montgomery: Andy you're next after IB
(08/21 02:46:47) --=V4iLiN=--: shorah ResEng AB
(08/21 02:46:55) ~~meadow~~: hey weasel...:)
(08/21 02:46:58) From groath: still want to go to my jalak after this ?
(08/21 02:47:12) To groath: sure.
(08/21 02:47:30) Montgomery: IBnet?
(08/21 02:47:36) From groath: sounds good:)
(08/21 02:47:39) R'nway: ... ?
(08/21 02:47:46) IBnetweasel: I was just going to say that the GOG has been working at developing its structure and vision for a long time, setting up key principles, but leaving room for flexibility so that we can grow and adjust but still maintain a clear goal - helping explorers in the cavern
(08/21 02:48:28) Swimmery4: that is key
(08/21 02:48:36) Montgomery: And what has worked for the Greeters?
(08/21 02:48:48) IBnetweasel: we have a section up on our forum that talks about the GoG history our website is www.greetersguild.com and on the home page there is a button at the left "about GoG" - here you can find out about the history of the guild and our vision
(08/21 02:49:19) Ja'de: Democracy--One vote per member
(08/21 02:49:30) Montgomery: Please stop running around
(08/21 02:49:45) StuartGrist: are special privliages to joining the guilds?
(08/21 02:49:47) From J'min: It a bug.. they can't help it
(08/21 02:49:53) Swimmery4: they cant help it, the games getting buggy under laggy conditions
(08/21 02:49:55) IBnetweasel: we have a structure that is fairly decentralized...we have a grandmaster, some moderators, and many members...but we all hold equal voice in dealing with issues and coming up with new ways to help our as they arise
(08/21 02:50:38) Montgomery: What unique power does the Grand Master hold?
(08/21 02:51:12) Nadnerb: none, I would hope.. they'd just be the most respected member
(08/21 02:51:16) SuperGram: To add to Montgomery's question ....is the Grand Master position a lifetime one?
(08/21 02:51:20) J'min: Knowledge
(08/21 02:51:35) R'nway: i woudl certainly hope not
(08/21 02:51:59) R'nway: we should always keep in mind the sotry of guild master kadish
(08/21 02:52:08) Nadnerb: indeed. positions like grandmaster would hvae to be more sybolic than practical
(08/21 02:52:16) --=V4iLiN=--: it is he who makes the final desision
(08/21 02:52:17) Thend: Thanks. I just do it out of necessity now, frankly though
(08/21 02:52:23) IBnetweasel: Our grandmaster is Tijara and to tell you the truth I am not sure on what all she is responsible for, but I believe it is focused on keeping our website up and running
(08/21 02:52:23) Thend: oops lol
(08/21 02:52:38) Ja'de: In our case, the Grand Master owns and maintains the web site but does not have any special privleges.
(08/21 02:52:46) R'nway: aha
(08/21 02:52:50) Ja'de: Other than root
(08/21 02:52:51) Swimmery4: take that out of context thend, rofl
(08/21 02:52:57) R'nway roars with laughter
(08/21 02:52:59) --=V4iLiN=--: lol
(08/21 02:53:00) Error: (Can't find 'Hi' in any of the player lists.)
(08/21 02:53:06) pennylongstocking starts to laugh
(08/21 02:53:12) IBnetweasel: I would recommend everyone interested in helping structure the other guilds take a look at our history to help give you an idea of setting up a vision for the guild and also setting up a structure
(08/21 02:53:13) Thend looks around for a bit
(08/21 02:53:16) R'nway: i think i'd cal that a special priviledge
(08/21 02:53:32) Relayer Corps: IB, not to be rude, but I have to go. Bye everyone.
(08/21 02:53:34) R'nway: tahnks for the tip IB, i'll look into that
(08/21 02:53:36) Montgomery: Great suggestion IB, and thanks for the info.
(08/21 02:53:36) R'nway waves goodbye
(08/21 02:53:38) groath: waht is the web site for maintaners?
(08/21 02:53:53) Thend: Seeya RC
(08/21 02:53:57) peni: bye /relayer Corp
(08/21 02:53:57) Montgomery: www.uruguilds.org
(08/21 02:54:10) d'ni everything claps for IB
(08/21 02:54:13) Montgomery: Andy, your question?
(08/21 02:54:13) groath: ty!
(08/21 02:54:15) IBnetweasel: I would like to stress that the guilds should be able to work together...there needs to be much collaboration between the guilds as we work to accomplish things...and I thin the GoG has a good structure set up to inspire collaboration
(08/21 02:54:17) Andy Legate: Monty; I"ve seen a lot of examples of people demanding "tools" and pretty much wanting to have the Guilds over night. Do you agree that this is something that should take time to form? That in the mean time everyone should be working towards figuring out who wants to be in a guild, how the guild should be structured, what they'd like to see in the guilds? That way, people don't feel "Worthless" or like it is not moving forward.
(08/21 02:54:26) --=V4iLiN=--: ok we got 2 website now
(08/21 02:54:27) Mark_AF: What about discipline? How do you manage guild members who will not conform?
(08/21 02:54:27) Deem claps her hands
(08/21 02:54:33) Nadnerb: yes, indeed. According to our history, group leaders are usually the people who get bashed by everyone who is not a leader, or in a simlar position.
(08/21 02:54:49) IBnetweasel: thank you...I'll let Monty have the floor now for more questions from people :)
(08/21 02:54:58) lfus: (cwjuinior is after Andy)
(08/21 02:55:02) R'nway: that is one of the inherent difficulties of government
(08/21 02:55:05) Swimmery4: As unideal as it is, there always has to be someone or some method to make the final decision or nothing gets done
(08/21 02:55:07) MustardJeep: Andy It is going to take time
(08/21 02:55:24) Montgomery: Thanks IB. Andy -- excellent comment. Yes! This is not a race, people. THe first one to form a guild doesn't win.
(08/21 02:55:31) R'nway laughs
(08/21 02:56:02) Swimmery4: I disagree, Greeters win hands down. :D
(08/21 02:56:19) R'nway: true, but didn't the DRC organize them?
(08/21 02:56:24) Stephen C.: lol swimmery
(08/21 02:56:31) Stephen C.: no
(08/21 02:56:32) groath points
(08/21 02:56:33) groath: OBJECTION!
(08/21 02:56:35) Li'al: absolutely not
(08/21 02:56:35) Montgomery: There is no reason to rush. This isn't a competition. And that's another reason for the councils -- to nt have people try too hard to be Supremem Leader
(08/21 02:56:36) Rocky: nO !!
(08/21 02:56:36) Mark_AF: I have the greatest respect for GoG.
(08/21 02:56:41) Swimmery4: Just joking lol
(08/21 02:56:42) R'nway roars with laughter
(08/21 02:56:42) MustardJeep: The DRC did not organize the Greeters
(08/21 02:56:47) R'nway: @ groath
(08/21 02:56:48) Andy Legate: there is also a waiting list to become a Greeter. Go look.
(08/21 02:56:54) IBnetweasel: the DRC did not organise the GoG...please check out our history on the website www.greetersguild.com
(08/21 02:56:59) Mark_AF: I would like to hear how they deal with malcontents.
(08/21 02:57:08) Thend: I think the possible difference between this whol shebang and the Greeters, in my uninformed opinion, is that this setup of Guild structure is being imposed from outside, not generated naturally and internally like Greeters started as. Hence, things may develop differently here now
(08/21 02:57:08) R'nway: yes, i second that
(08/21 02:57:36) Thend: Myst 5 is pretty interesting, if nothing else, lotta Uru content and context
(08/21 02:57:40) Montgomery: Is there another question in the que for me? If so let's hear it, then we can go back to IB and the Greeters.
(08/21 02:57:40) Thend: oops lol
(08/21 02:57:41) Ja'de: No waiting list just an application
(08/21 02:57:46) groath: does any guild hold power over another ?
(08/21 02:57:51) Thend shuts up completely now
(08/21 02:57:58) Frisky Badger: no
(08/21 02:58:00) Swimmery4 is concerned about thend
(08/21 02:58:09) Thend is concerned about Thend
(08/21 02:58:14) Swimmery4: Lol
(08/21 02:58:14) lfus: cw junior is next
(08/21 02:58:19) cwjunior: If individuals are allawed to join multiple guild, what oversight or safegaurds could be in place to insure we don't end up with a small handfull of people controlling all the guilds?
(08/21 02:58:23) Montgomery: Shall we turn the floor back over to IB?
(08/21 02:58:33) R'nway: romer: jus tuse the stairs and walk up, you'll get there much quicker
(08/21 02:59:00) From lfus: I have one more person to ask a question first
(08/21 02:59:02) d'ni everything: a guild MOB?
(08/21 02:59:04) From lfus: After cw
(08/21 02:59:19) R'nway: i would suggest that people be allowed membership in multiple guilds, bu tleadership in only 1
(08/21 02:59:21) Montgomery: cwjunior -- Well, a nominating and voting processlike I suggested would help.
(08/21 02:59:21) Shimmerillion: i doubt any one explorer will be able to contribute enough to multiple guilds that each guild will elect him/her leader
(08/21 02:59:50) Montgomery: Agreed, Shimmerillion.
(08/21 02:59:56) Montgomery: Last question?
(08/21 03:00:03) Swimmery4: agreed Rnway
(08/21 03:00:06) lfus: (Shimmermillion has the last question after cw)
(08/21 03:00:19) d'ni everything shudders at the thought of conspiracy issues
(08/21 03:00:24) DaytonaKit: fun fun fun
(08/21 03:00:43) R'nway: okay, now remember, don't tell d'ni everything
(08/21 03:00:50) Shimmerillion: sorry, got caught off guard - just a sec
(08/21 03:00:51) d'ni everything: hee hee
(08/21 03:00:59) Montgomery: NP
(08/21 03:01:01) JulyForToday (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(08/21 03:01:12) --=V4iLiN=--: I just feel that as much as possible, is to try and keep this all with in the game, we gotta come up with some basic rules for ALL guilds to follow, so here is where the fun starts LOL
(08/21 03:01:18) d'ni everything pulls out my secret avie
(08/21 03:01:30) R'nway already knew about that one
(08/21 03:01:39) d'ni everything: doubt it
(08/21 03:01:46) R'nway has ears everywhere
(08/21 03:01:47) pennylongstocking me too
(08/21 03:02:00) d'ni everything: serious denial
(08/21 03:02:05) Swimmery4 covers d'ni everything's ears and goes "la la la la la la la la, you cant hear, la la la"
(08/21 03:02:07) Shimmerillion: i just wonder if we're all looking at this from the standpoint of the community. for example, why are guild masters in charge of websites? people who know how to organize content should be doing that work, while the leaders tell them what to write?
(08/21 03:02:08) R'nway: anway, sry, i'll stop with the side chat, sry
(08/21 03:02:20) Shimmerillion: does that make any sense?
(08/21 03:02:27) R'nway: yes it does
(08/21 03:02:30) Thend nods his head
(08/21 03:02:35) MustardJeep: sort of?
(08/21 03:02:43) Error: Don't know how to '/shoutThat sounds like a question for IB and the Greeters.'
(08/21 03:02:51) Shimmerillion: it goes back to what i said before, which i think was misunderstood ...
(08/21 03:02:57) Montgomery: That sounds like a question for IB and the Greeters
(08/21 03:02:57) Swimmery4: makes sense to me
(08/21 03:03:02) R'nway: the people who run the websites, should not necessarily be those generating the content to put on them
(08/21 03:03:06) Shimmerillion: that leaders should be able to see what the goal of the organization is and help make it happen
(08/21 03:03:10) groath: np
(08/21 03:03:13) Frisky Badger: leaders don't need to be rulers, they should be guides
(08/21 03:03:16) Shimmerillion: not have to do all the web updating themselves
(08/21 03:03:20) groath: ops rong chat..
(08/21 03:03:31) Frisky Badger: what if they like doing that stuff?
(08/21 03:03:39) R'nway: well, tehn they could do both
(08/21 03:03:41) Shimmerillion: if they are the best at it, then that's fine
(08/21 03:03:43) Montgomery: I think it has more to do with moderating the forums than webmastering the site
(08/21 03:03:54) Thend: Leaders don't get to DO what they 'like' lol
(08/21 03:03:55) Shimmerillion: but if there is someone esle who can organize the content better, code better, design better ...
(08/21 03:04:02) Shimmerillion: do you see what i'm getting at?
(08/21 03:04:09) R'nway: the admins and the mods often don't have a whole lot of overlap
(08/21 03:04:09) Shimmerillion: exactly, thend
(08/21 03:04:13) Andy Legate: Many times the reason the leaders are the website owners is because it may hae been their idea in the first place. That's why a lot are in Forum mode becasue then your memebers DO contribute.
(08/21 03:04:37) ABguy: The idea behind my guild is that it will work from the bottom up, in that the leaders work for their members.
(08/21 03:04:40) R'nway: excelletn point andy
(08/21 03:04:41) groath: ok my head hurts from to much info can we call this good ?
(08/21 03:04:42) Shimmerillion: point taken andy - but as long as we're dealing in "how it should be"
(08/21 03:04:44) SuperGram: I don't really relish the idea of exploration being carried out oon forums or websites
(08/21 03:04:53) R'nway: wait, which guild AB?
(08/21 03:05:09) SuperGram: I think it should be done in cavern with an active presence of the so called leaders.
(08/21 03:05:10) Andy Legate: i've got a great example of this.
(08/21 03:05:15) Swimmery4: I think it's perfectly fine for masters to be webmasters if they are skilled at it
(08/21 03:05:17) Frisky Badger: how is exploration being carried out on the forums?
(08/21 03:05:25) Shimmerillion: but a responsible leader should know when to keep power and when to delegate
(08/21 03:05:28) Montgomery: I only had one more topic. If anyone is interested. Or we can call it a night. Does anyone want to talk about IC v OOC and finding IC purposes for our guilds?
(08/21 03:05:30) Shimmerillion: even if it's something they like
(08/21 03:05:31) Frisky Badger: the forums are for discussion
(08/21 03:05:52) Swimmery4: good idea mont, lets go on
(08/21 03:06:03) Kalypso: Forums may be the best way to start the Guild.
(08/21 03:06:03) MustardJeep: the IC purpose is a simple one, trying to get Explorer's Exploring.....
(08/21 03:06:07) groath: call it a ngiht!
(08/21 03:06:09) R'nway: um, IC purposes of writers is to provide new ages and perhaps fulfill requests by the explorers, right?
(08/21 03:06:14) SuperGram nods her head
(08/21 03:06:19) Andy Legate: I just started up a small guild myself, the Guild of Astronomy, right now I lead it, but if I get enough people who are more knowledge able than me about Astonomy, they'll be the leaders in most of the ways.
(08/21 03:06:24) groath: actully that would be fun
(08/21 03:06:29) --=V4iLiN=--: I then suggest that anyone who wants to join a guild be able to , but it is only tempory until they can show their worthness, skill etc. // the guild leader is like the head teacher, they who know the most.
(08/21 03:06:40) R'nway: you spen a lot of time in minkata, andy?
(08/21 03:06:42) Thend: I am concerned that forums will be the focus, and as happens, much activity In-Cavern will be minimised because of it, which not to mention leaves out those who are not so forum-inclined and just like Uru, the genuine place and face-to-face, dynamic environment
(08/21 03:06:53) Shimmerillion: agreed, thend
(08/21 03:07:07) R'nway agrees with Thend
(08/21 03:07:09) Scarlette nods her head
(08/21 03:07:12) SuperGram: My idea exactly Thend
(08/21 03:07:13) Sorceress: agreed
(08/21 03:07:15) pennylongstocking nods her head
(08/21 03:07:19) Shimmerillion: but we still need a resource other than word of mouth, which is unfortunately all we have in cavern
(08/21 03:07:28) Andy Legate: I don't agree.
(08/21 03:07:36) Kalypso: The "weekly" meetings in the cavern(and not in the forums) is a good idea to incorporate Non-forums people
(08/21 03:07:37) Frisky Badger: but not everyone can be in cavern at the same time, the forums give EVERYONE a chance to voice their opinion
(08/21 03:07:41) groath: we have pictures in cavern
(08/21 03:07:41) Montgomery: OK, seems like people are getting bored and antsy. So I'l wrap up my part, and the discussion can continue as long as people want to discuss. Thank you all for coming and your ideas. And thank you Ifus and Zedra!
(08/21 03:07:41) Andy Legate: that limits things a bit. It should be both.
(08/21 03:07:48) IBnetweasel: I think that may be one potential difference between GoG and future guilds...the GoG is IC neutral and wishes to maintain that. We cannot work effectively to help explorers with some of the logistics of the game if we try to be IC.
(08/21 03:08:00) lfus: Your welcome Montgomery
(08/21 03:08:05) groath: thank you!
(08/21 03:08:07) Sorceress claps her hands
(08/21 03:08:09) Swimmery4: moul is already taking place too much outside the cavern, something needs to be done to get people back in the cavern
(08/21 03:08:11) Thend: Understood. Just something to be wary of
(08/21 03:08:11) d'ni everything claps her hands
(08/21 03:08:12) Mary26 claps her hands
(08/21 03:08:13) Mar'ith claps his hands
(08/21 03:08:17) R'nway: yes, many thanks to everyone who organized this meeting, it was very well-done
(08/21 03:08:17) Shimmerillion: thanks to all 3
(08/21 03:08:17) Scarlette claps her hands
(08/21 03:08:21) groath claps his hands
(08/21 03:08:22) d'ni everything pulls cotton out of ears
(08/21 03:08:22) ABguy: Thanks Monty, Zedra and Ifus for you hardwork!!!
(08/21 03:08:23) Thend claps his hands
(08/21 03:08:24) Swimmery4 claps his hands
(08/21 03:08:28) Zedra bows
(08/21 03:08:29) Stephen C. claps his hands
(08/21 03:08:30) groath claps his hands
(08/21 03:08:30) R'nway: i agree with swimmery
(08/21 03:08:30) lfus bows
(08/21 03:08:33) Kalypso claps her hands
(08/21 03:08:33) Sparrowhawk claps her hands
(08/21 03:08:35) peni claps her hands
(08/21 03:08:36) groath: wooooooooooootttt!
(08/21 03:08:37) cwjunior claps his hands
(08/21 03:08:44) R'nway cheers
(08/21 03:08:49) groath: hura!
(08/21 03:08:50) J'anim Paedet: Bravo!
(08/21 03:08:52) groath: hura!
(08/21 03:08:55) groath: hura!
(08/21 03:08:58) --=V4iLiN=--: YES Thend and thats why Cyan is trying very hard to provide us with some things like the Guild pubs.. we just gotta wait
(08/21 03:09:00) Swimmery4: thanks for organizing this!
(08/21 03:09:01) groath: hip hip!
(08/21 03:09:05) Thend nods his head
(08/21 03:09:20) J'anim Paedet: Yes indeed, thanks!
(08/21 03:09:20) Montgomery: I'm ging to wrap up the chatlog, now. So anyone who wants to continue discussing, please log it if you want to.
(08/21 03:09:22) groath: three cheers for all
(08/21 03:09:24) d'ni everything: Speach! oh wait we did that right?
(08/21 03:09:25) groath: hip hip!
(08/21 03:09:28) SuperGram: Yes Thank you Montgomery and those who helped organize this meeting
(08/21 03:09:30) Sorceress: Forums are a great supplement to the game. Many people read up on episode events whiel they're at work. But when I get home, I want to be in-game expereicing the excitement, not in the forums
(08/21 03:09:32) SuperGram claps her hands
(08/21 03:09:38) groath: hip hip!
(08/21 03:09:54) Romer Openfield: I just came back after 5 months. Action, please.
(08/21 03:10:02) IBnetweasel has been logging for 6hours...lol
(08/21 03:10:08) Romer Openfield: Good meet
(08/21 03:10:14) IBnetweasel: welcome Rex
(08/21 03:10:16) ...Chat.log stopped.
 

2007, December 1st Chatlog: GoMe Meeting

The meeting was held in the GoMe pub @17:00 ki-time, Dec. 1st, 2007.

Original thread can be found here: http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13697

Lynnutte wrote:
Seems to me that it's been 2 months since our last meeting. (If this is wrong, someone please correct me on it.) Cyan is on hiatus and we have been given the task of making the Guild of Messengers a reality. We have been given all the information Cyan is going to give us for awhile. We need to see how close we can get to making the GOM a cohesive force/group/group of affiliates/whatever you want to call it, before Cyan starts season 2. I am asking for a meeting Saturday Dec. 1st at 17:00 KI time to be help in the GOMe pub. Bring all your ideas, questions, and concerns. Let's get this party started!

(12/02 01:10:59) Chat.log started...
(12/02 01:11:02) Cavern Crier: and getting guild newsletters
(12/02 01:11:27) Cavern Crier: and that we had several groups become affiliated with the GOMe website
(12/02 01:11:29) Shimmerillion: wb marten
(12/02 01:11:36) Ghaelen D'Lareh: wb marten
(12/02 01:11:37) Cavern Crier: Shorah Marten
(12/02 01:11:3 Crier for all: wb
(12/02 01:11:45) Cavern Crier: is someone logging this?
(12/02 01:11:51) Crier for all: yes
(12/02 01:11:52) Marten: Thanks. I crashed, didn't even get a Net6 error.
(12/02 01:11:54) Cavern Crier: I always forget
(12/02 01:11:56) Cavern Crier: ty
(12/02 01:12:05) Veralun: free crash
(12/02 01:12:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 01:12:1 Cavern Crier: Guild of Greeters said they were working on getting us a guild newsletter
(12/02 01:12:36) Cavern Crier: and the GO maintainers have already given us one
(12/02 01:13:0 Cavern Crier: That's all the news I have, what is everyone else working on?
(12/02 01:13:25) Shimmerillion: the new custom ki upload works now, and i had an archiver flyer approved
(12/02 01:13:34) Shimmerillion: which means that we can now pass graphical kimail
(12/02 01:13:39) Crier for all: to add that the goW were discussing the newsletter
(12/02 01:14:16) Shimmerillion: im passing a copy around for your perusal
(12/02 01:14:1 Cavern Crier: was that the GOW? I thought it was the GOG
(12/02 01:14:23) Cavern Crier: Ty Shimmer
(12/02 01:14:35) Veralun: ty
(12/02 01:15:00) Marten: I had a question.
(12/02 01:15:04) Shimmerillion: you'll note that part of the image was cut off around the edges
(12/02 01:15:05) Cavern Crier: yes?
(12/02 01:15:14) Shimmerillion: and 12 point font seems the smallest readable font size
(12/02 01:15:19) Shimmerillion: sorry, go ahead marten
(12/02 01:15:49) Marten: A few days ago I got an e-mail about being added to the "Affiliates" group on the GoMe forum. What does that mean?
(12/02 01:15:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh: shim, can you send it to me again?
(12/02 01:16:12) Crier for all: scroll down ghaelen
(12/02 01:16:20) Cavern Crier: Shimmer, you want to handle that question?
(12/02 01:16:21) Crier for all: dated 01 07
(12/02 01:16:31) Shimmerillion: marten, there is a private forum section on the gom forum site. i had to create a group to keep it private
(12/02 01:17:02) Marten: OK. I'll have to log in and look at it. I've been a bit busy.
(12/02 01:17:25) Shimmerillion: did you find it ghaelen?
(12/02 01:17:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, thank you.
(12/02 01:18:07) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I have been so busy, I hate to ask how to do a graphical KI letter
(12/02 01:18:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: but how do you do one?
(12/02 01:18:19) Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 01:18:22) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 01:18:39) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I expect there are instructions somewhere that I've missed
(12/02 01:18:41) Shimmerillion: basically just create an 800x600 jpg image, using photoshop or paint or your preferred image editing program
(12/02 01:18:53) Shimmerillion: no, not yet - but that is a good idea. i'll put up a tutorial
(12/02 01:18:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ah ha
(12/02 01:19:01) Cavern Crier: ty shimmer
(12/02 01:19:05) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and put that image in a folder?
(12/02 01:19:0 Cavern Crier: I've been wanting to know too
(12/02 01:19:24) Veralun: send it to Cyan
(12/02 01:19:35) Veralun: there is a form made
(12/02 01:19:42) Shimmerillion: no, you have to upload the image to the cyan website. they approve it. you mark one of your ki images as "custom" and they replace that image with your approved uploaded image
(12/02 01:19:54) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ah, cool
(12/02 01:19:54) Shimmerillion: the cyan link is in the messenger news feed
(12/02 01:19:59) Ghaelen D'Lareh: k
(12/02 01:20:01) Ghaelen D'Lareh: thanks
(12/02 01:20:12) Shimmerillion: np, i will put up a tutorial today hopefully
(12/02 01:20:49) Cavern Crier: are there any other projects being worked on?
(12/02 01:21:0 Shimmerillion: well, i was working on some behind-the-scenes stuff for the website
(12/02 01:21:20) Cavern Crier: how is it going?
(12/02 01:21:34) Shimmerillion: such as using the forum user/pass authentication to post news to the feed, and an in-site user/post management thing
(12/02 01:21:54) Shimmerillion: i got the post management going, so everyone who has a website login (to post news) can edit their posts
(12/02 01:22:05) Crier for all: shorah Dudemom
(12/02 01:22:09) Dudemom_2000: shorah
(12/02 01:22:10) Cavern Crier: good. ty
(12/02 01:22:15) Veralun: hi
(12/02 01:22:15) Cavern Crier: Shorah DMom
(12/02 01:22:22) Shimmerillion: but what is the higher priority? i can switch over to work on the calendar if that's more important
(12/02 01:22:31) Ghaelen D'Lareh: thanks for doing all this, shim and Lynnutte
(12/02 01:22:46) Marten: I might want to subscribe to that for Prologue bulletins if those are accepted.
(12/02 01:22:53) Shimmerillion: just glad it's getting done!
(12/02 01:23:04) Shimmerillion: ok, marten, i'll set you up a login
(12/02 01:23:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes
(12/02 01:23:22) Marten: I should submit a request through the website, right?
(12/02 01:23:29) Cavern Crier: I would like to see a calender up soon, but whichever you feel is more important
(12/02 01:23:42) Shimmerillion: no, it's ok, i'll write it down now
(12/02 01:23:53) Shimmerillion: after the meeting today, i think you are right and a calendar is more important
(12/02 01:24:07) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:24:27) Marten: I thought maybe I needed to submit an icon
(12/02 01:24:35) Shimmerillion: oh, yes
(12/02 01:24:3 Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 01:24:47) Shimmerillion: or at least a logo that i can make an icon out of
(12/02 01:24:49) Veralun: need also one
(12/02 01:24:53) Cavern Crier: ?YES
(12/02 01:24:57) Cavern Crier: LOL OOPS
(12/02 01:25:02) Cavern Crier: ?YES
(12/02 01:25:07) Cavern Crier: wHAT THE
(12/02 01:25:11) Shimmerillion: veralun, do you mean a logo or a login
(12/02 01:25:11) Veralun: lol
(12/02 01:25:11) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:25:12) Crier for all: hahahha
(12/02 01:25:19) Veralun: both
(12/02 01:25:22) Shimmerillion: ok
(12/02 01:25:30) Cavern Crier: OK< MY KEYBOARD IS BORKED BIG TIME
(12/02 01:25:32) Veralun: will send tomorrow text and links
(12/02 01:25:34) Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 01:25:41) Shimmerillion: ok thx veralun sounds good
(12/02 01:25:42) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh no!
(12/02 01:25:43) Dudemom_2000: poor CC
(12/02 01:25:47) Shimmerillion: guildofmessengers@gmail.com
(12/02 01:25:51) Cavern Crier: MY CAPS LOCK IS OFF AND i can't type things right. lol
(12/02 01:25:56) Veralun: oki
(12/02 01:26:02) Shimmerillion: hahah cc
(12/02 01:26:04) Cavern Crier: ok, I think it's all better now.
(12/02 01:26:06) Marten: Logo icons are 65x65 images and should be only two colors, I see.
(12/02 01:26:07) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lolol
(12/02 01:26:07) Crier for all: lol
(12/02 01:26:21) Marten: But you say you can make them from another image if it isn't too complex?
(12/02 01:26:29) Shimmerillion: yes, that's fine
(12/02 01:26:3 Ghaelen D'Lareh: rebel keyboards
(12/02 01:26:50) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 01:27:05) Dudemom_2000: thats REBEL keyboards!
(12/02 01:27:13) Cavern Crier roars with laughter
(12/02 01:27:14) Shimmerillion: lol right
(12/02 01:27:17) Crier for all: lol
(12/02 01:27:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 01:27:32) Cavern Crier: has anyone had any new project ideas?
(12/02 01:27:51) Shimmerillion: well, as far as the site goes ...
(12/02 01:27:5 Cavern Crier: yes?
(12/02 01:28:09) Shimmerillion: i think we're going to need to expand pretty soon
(12/02 01:28:27) Cavern Crier: ok. That's your area of expertise. lol
(12/02 01:28:36) Shimmerillion: to incorporate affiliate- and topic-specific news
(12/02 01:28:42) Cavern Crier: my idea of expanding it is to get a bigger computer. lol
(12/02 01:28:43) Shimmerillion: as well as the calendar and chat logs
(12/02 01:28:45) Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 01:28:59) Shimmerillion: so anyway, if you have any suggestions or opinions, please let me know on the forums
(12/02 01:29:05) Shimmerillion: or i will probably just make something up
(12/02 01:29:20) Crier for all: :
(12/02 01:29:21) Cavern Crier: you are good at making stuff up
(12/02 01:29:23) Crier for all:
(12/02 01:29:27) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:29:55) Shimmerillion: how are the cavern criers going? have you gotten any more volunteers?
(12/02 01:30:21) Cavern Crier: we have gotten a few interested, but RL interveened
(12/02 01:30:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: it is a good idea, but yes, RL got in the way
(12/02 01:30:56) Crier for all: yes I'm working on some explorers but no result yet
(12/02 01:30:56) Dudemom_2000: I might eventually volunteer but between several assorted projects and RL projects right now, it might have to wait until next year some time
(12/02 01:30:57) Shimmerillion: i think it would be great if we could work out a good process for creating newsletters or even just the abbreviated ki images and then distributing them
(12/02 01:30:59) Cavern Crier: I think we might want to do a membership drive soon
(12/02 01:31:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 01:31:17) Dudemom_2000: another job fair would be fun....something after the first of the year
(12/02 01:31:23) Shimmerillion: yeah
(12/02 01:31:23) Cavern Crier: that's ok DMom, thanks
(12/02 01:31:30) Cavern Crier: yeah it would
(12/02 01:31:35) Cavern Crier: now would be a BAD time
(12/02 01:31:39) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:31:46) Dudemom_2000: after the holidays..
(12/02 01:31:49) Shimmerillion: yes, i can help out every now and then ... probably not on a regular basis tho
(12/02 01:31:49) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I would like to invite "members" to work on a collaborative vidcast project
(12/02 01:32:04) Dudemom_2000: January will be slow so people will be looking for something as the season starts ramping up
(12/02 01:32:06) Cavern Crier: Nice idea
(12/02 01:32:15) Cavern Crier: ty Shimmer
(12/02 01:32:17) Ghaelen D'Lareh: but have to figure out when I have time to get it going
(12/02 01:32:25) Cavern Crier: let us know
(12/02 01:32:2 Crier for all: lol next week
(12/02 01:32:35) Cavern Crier: next week?
(12/02 01:32:37) Shimmerillion: yes, let us know
(12/02 01:32:3 Dudemom_2000 is interested in Ghaelen's project
(12/02 01:32:39) Ghaelen D'Lareh: something like a commercial several people can work on
(12/02 01:32:40) Crier for all: no uru
(12/02 01:32:47) Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 01:32:49) Cavern Crier: I like that idea
(12/02 01:32:57) Dudemom_2000: me too
(12/02 01:32:5 Cavern Crier: right, I forgot. No uru
(12/02 01:33:01) Cavern Crier is sorta bummed...
(12/02 01:33:07) Ghaelen D'Lareh: no uru?
(12/02 01:33:12) Crier for all: no
(12/02 01:33:16) Cavern Crier: servers will be down
(12/02 01:33:1 Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh, no uru next week
(12/02 01:33:24) Dudemom_2000: well, remember when they moved to the GameTap servers...that was what - 2 weeks or so?
(12/02 01:33:25) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:33:29) Dudemom_2000: talk about withdrawal.....
(12/02 01:33:33) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:33:34) Ghaelen D'Lareh: so no, no commercial next week
(12/02 01:33:39) Cavern Crier: but we will survie
(12/02 01:33:42) Cavern Crier: survive
(12/02 01:33:5 Dudemom_2000: hopefully this will be much shorter..
(12/02 01:34:00) Cavern Crier: I hope
(12/02 01:34:01) Veralun: preparations can be done next week Ghaelen
(12/02 01:34:06) Dudemom_2000 crosses her fingers
(12/02 01:34:09) Shimmerillion: there's always something to do on the gom forums!  PLUG
(12/02 01:34:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 01:34:17) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:34:1 Dudemom_2000: yes. preparations.
(12/02 01:34:25) Cavern Crier: we can still plan and scheme
(12/02 01:34:27) Ghaelen D'Lareh: preparations for what?
(12/02 01:34:31) Cavern Crier: I mean we can plan
(12/02 01:34:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yeah
(12/02 01:34:41) Dudemom_2000: I think more people will be watching the forums while uru is down
(12/02 01:34:49) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:34:49) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we could write a script....
(12/02 01:34:53) Dudemom_2000: so anything you want to get out there.....then is the time
(12/02 01:34:57) Crier for all: yes and caverncasts
(12/02 01:35:00) Cavern Crier: yep
(12/02 01:35:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and split it into "scenes"
(12/02 01:35:07) Dudemom_2000: neat
(12/02 01:35:12) Cavern Crier: I like it
(12/02 01:35:16) Dudemom_2000: me too
(12/02 01:35:20) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and ask people to think about how they would put a "scene" together
(12/02 01:35:33) Dudemom_2000: lol I am picturing a day in the life of a Relayer....
(12/02 01:35:37) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 01:35:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ah ha ha
(12/02 01:35:42) Cavern Crier: Oh wow
(12/02 01:35:43) Dudemom_2000: pictures of linking, linking, linking
(12/02 01:35:44) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:35:44) Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 01:35:45) Crier for all: hehe
(12/02 01:35:4 Cavern Crier: That would be eventful
(12/02 01:35:52) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we'll need to find out how many filmers we have
(12/02 01:35:5 Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:36:00) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and how many vocal artists
(12/02 01:36:06) Dudemom_2000: need a bunch of shots of Nexus....lol
(12/02 01:36:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: then get the filmers to do, say, one minute vieo
(12/02 01:36:17) Ghaelen D'Lareh: video
(12/02 01:36:24) Cavern Crier: can you get the shots of the nexus in an offline version?
(12/02 01:36:41) Dudemom_2000: hmm would that work?
(12/02 01:36:47) Ghaelen D'Lareh: then put voices to the video (humorous, of course)
(12/02 01:36:54) Dudemom_2000: would you want to get pics of the hoods and such?
(12/02 01:36:55) Cavern Crier: could maybe do those during downtime
(12/02 01:36:59) Veralun: there is a video already from the Great Zero
(12/02 01:37:00) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and we tell a little URU story
(12/02 01:37:29) Dudemom_2000: with Kirel treats in between
(12/02 01:37:30) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:37:34) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 01:37:35) Crier for all: yeah
(12/02 01:37:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh yeah, Treats
(12/02 01:37:46) Crier for all: no veralun not for you
(12/02 01:37:47) Veralun: no Kirel treats anymore for me
(12/02 01:37:4 Cavern Crier: treats are good
(12/02 01:37:51) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we could look for the culprit
(12/02 01:37:52) Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 01:37:54) Dudemom_2000: you need a D'ni cooking show as well, Ghaelen!
(12/02 01:37:55) Marten: No treats baked in Er'cana, please.
(12/02 01:38:00) Ghaelen D'Lareh: who put exploding pellets in them
(12/02 01:38:00) Shimmerillion: eww
(12/02 01:38:01) Cavern Crier: I didn't do it!
(12/02 01:38:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol, cooking show
(12/02 01:38:05) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ah ha ha
(12/02 01:38:06) Shimmerillion: brb
(12/02 01:38:09) Marten: We all have our own ovens in our Reltos now, cook them THERE.
(12/02 01:38:10) Cavern Crier: hb
(12/02 01:38:15) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:38:1 Crier for all: yes
(12/02 01:38:19) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:38:24) Ghaelen D'Lareh: or a fashion show at Lady Chaos' Living Large Fashion Design studio
(12/02 01:38:26) Veralun: would not advice that
(12/02 01:38:33) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 01:38:33) Dudemom_2000: well, I have a Weber grill hidden behind the hut
(12/02 01:38:37) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 01:38:3 Veralun: it is funny stuff
(12/02 01:38:3 Crier for all: and live interviews in the city
(12/02 01:38:53) Crier for all: to ask the explorers some questions live
(12/02 01:38:55) Cavern Crier: live interviews would be good
(12/02 01:39:02) Ghaelen D'Lareh: well, each "scene" could be any one of those things
(12/02 01:39:06) Dudemom_2000: and a smoker....did some smoked salmon on Relto the other day....delish
(12/02 01:39:1 Crier for all: yummie
(12/02 01:39:2 Ghaelen D'Lareh: have about a dozen "scenes" and then put them all together in a crazy order that actually makes sense
(12/02 01:39:33) Dudemom_2000: lol sort of Explorer on the street interviews
(12/02 01:39:35) Cavern Crier: not salmon, shroomie
(12/02 01:39:36) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we do that every month, lol
(12/02 01:39:37) Veralun: now I know where that chicken is
(12/02 01:39:44) Crier for all: yes Dmom
(12/02 01:39:47) Dudemom_2000: no no NOT Shroomie!!!!
(12/02 01:39:54) Cavern Crier roars with laughter
(12/02 01:39:5 Ghaelen D'Lareh: anyway, the purpose of this would be to get people involved in the guild
(12/02 01:40:00) Crier for all starts to laugh
(12/02 01:40:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: as individuals
(12/02 01:40:03) Cavern Crier: sorry typo
(12/02 01:40:04) Dudemom_2000: yes
(12/02 01:40:07) Cavern Crier: I meant mushrooms
(12/02 01:40:14) Dudemom_2000: people would love that, Ghaelen
(12/02 01:40:19) Cavern Crier: I think it's a great idea
(12/02 01:40:22) Shimmerillion: back
(12/02 01:40:22) Ghaelen D'Lareh: Teledahn kiche
(12/02 01:40:25) Cavern Crier: wb
(12/02 01:40:27) Ghaelen D'Lareh: sp?
(12/02 01:40:30) Dudemom_2000: especially if there was filming in the city and newcomers got involved
(12/02 01:40:31) Crier for all: wb
(12/02 01:40:36) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:40:37) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yeah, that's the idea
(12/02 01:40:46) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I think we have a lot of videographers
(12/02 01:40:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and a lot of interest
(12/02 01:40:56) Dudemom_2000 nods her head
(12/02 01:40:56) Crier for all: no mushrooms then we can't kep phil from them
(12/02 01:40:56) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and a good number of voices
(12/02 01:41:00) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:41:01) Ghaelen D'Lareh: just need a plan...
(12/02 01:41:03) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 01:41:04) Crier for all: keep*
(12/02 01:41:05) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and a script
(12/02 01:41:13) Cavern Crier: sounds like you got the start of a plan
(12/02 01:41:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol@phil
(12/02 01:41:25) Ghaelen D'Lareh: "Into the Mushrooms"
(12/02 01:41:30) Cavern Crier roars with laughter
(12/02 01:41:34) Crier for all starts to laugh
(12/02 01:41:46) Dudemom_2000: omg I love that
(12/02 01:41:51) Dudemom_2000: so Alice in Wonderland
(12/02 01:41:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 01:41:5 Dudemom_2000: or Alice in Teledahn
(12/02 01:42:01) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 01:42:29) Ghaelen D'Lareh: Down the Quab Hole
(12/02 01:42:34) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 01:42:36) Veralun: Alice in Wonderland is already all filmed
(12/02 01:42:37) Dudemom_2000 roars with laughter
(12/02 01:42:49) Veralun: but we can add things with new ppl
(12/02 01:42:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes
(12/02 01:42:56) Dudemom_2000: I have seen that - really great
(12/02 01:42:57) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:43:03) Dudemom_2000: but new twist....sick....
(12/02 01:43:04) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:43:07) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 01:43:07) Veralun: Part one is out
(12/02 01:43:13) Veralun: but it needs to redone
(12/02 01:43:1 Ghaelen D'Lareh: ooh, no hospital scenes....
(12/02 01:43:20) Veralun: it will be in 5 parts
(12/02 01:43:22) Cavern Crier: brb
(12/02 01:43:26) Dudemom_2000: hey, about time the Cavern had a remake.....
(12/02 01:43:35) Dudemom_2000: lol or a Bollywood production
(12/02 01:43:40) Shimmerillion: LOL
(12/02 01:43:42) Veralun: hehe
(12/02 01:43:45) Shimmerillion: id love that
(12/02 01:43:47) Cavern Crier: sorry, my dog was climbing on my lap
(12/02 01:43:5 Dudemom_2000: oh a Bollywood production would be da bomb!
(12/02 01:43:59) Crier for all: hehe invite the goma for that
(12/02 01:43:59) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:44:05) Ghaelen D'Lareh: well, maybe I'll start a project thread on the MOUL forum and see if anyone is interested
(12/02 01:44:05) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:44:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: D'niWood
(12/02 01:44:11) Veralun: what I like to see is a promo video plus audio from the Guild of Messengers...
(12/02 01:44:1 Dudemom_2000: or oohh great thought.....adapt a Jane Austen novel to the cavern......
(12/02 01:44:20) Cavern Crier: audio?
(12/02 01:44:21) Dudemom_2000: always good....
(12/02 01:44:2 Cavern Crier cringes
(12/02 01:44:32) Crier for all: yes
(12/02 01:44:36) Veralun: so everyone tells something why he/she want to work with the GOM
(12/02 01:44:43) Veralun: voices
(12/02 01:44:50) Dudemom_2000: yes
(12/02 01:44:55) Shimmerillion: yeah, like a promo for gom
(12/02 01:45:01) Dudemom_2000: neat
(12/02 01:45:01) Cavern Crier: lol DMom knows my feelings on voicing. lol
(12/02 01:45:01) Veralun: short interview
(12/02 01:45:10) Shimmerillion: have any of you seen that skydiving video?
(12/02 01:45:10) Dudemom_2000: oh CC sounds just fine....
(12/02 01:45:12) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:45:13) Cavern Crier: just for me, not everyone else
(12/02 01:45:14) Shimmerillion: that was done very well
(12/02 01:45:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: cool
(12/02 01:45:25) Dudemom_2000: actually she sounds really nice
(12/02 01:45:2 Cavern Crier: Did you hear, I recorded a song?
(12/02 01:45:34) Dudemom_2000: no where is the skydiving video?
(12/02 01:45:46) Shimmerillion: hmm i found it om youtube
(12/02 01:45:50) Dudemom_2000: ooh great CC are you going to be on Karaoke?
(12/02 01:46:01) Cavern Crier: yes?
(12/02 01:46:01) Shimmerillion: ooh iskaraoke tonight?
(12/02 01:46:05) Dudemom_2000: yup
(12/02 01:46:07) Shimmerillion: i always miss it
(12/02 01:46:09) Dudemom_2000: soon if not now
(12/02 01:46:12) Cavern Crier: I still can't believe it
(12/02 01:46:17) Cavern Crier: I hope so anyway
(12/02 01:46:2 Veralun: which brings me to the next thing
(12/02 01:46:29) Cavern Crier: Swifthawk hasn't gotten back to me
(12/02 01:46:37) Cavern Crier: sorry. yes?
(12/02 01:46:40) Shimmerillion: yes, let's get back on topic
(12/02 01:46:41) Shimmerillion:
(12/02 01:46:45) Marten: *works on icon*
(12/02 01:46:51) Veralun: possible filming the Cavern Choir during their performance
(12/02 01:47:01) Cavern Crier: That's a great idea
(12/02 01:47:03) Shimmerillion: great!
(12/02 01:47:06) Crier for all: oh yes
(12/02 01:47:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, that is a great idea
(12/02 01:47:30) Marten: Let's see when that is.
(12/02 01:47:34) Ghaelen D'Lareh: although last time Fraps wouldn't even work for me...
(12/02 01:47:3 Crier for all: december 16
(12/02 01:47:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: to much lag
(12/02 01:47:41) Veralun: will be video plus the music
(12/02 01:47:47) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:47:59) Veralun: only 25 ppl are allowed by invite
(12/02 01:48:03) Shimmerillion: yes, though music could be dubbed in later if neccessary
(12/02 01:48:09) Veralun: you have to subsribe for that
(12/02 01:48:26) Cavern Crier: Filming it is a great idea. Then everyone can see it
(12/02 01:48:33) Veralun: yes
(12/02 01:49:34) Shimmerillion: great idea, veralun!
(12/02 01:49:37) Marten: With 4 performances it seems one could assemble the best captures of each performance.
(12/02 01:49:39) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:49:43) Shimmerillion: good call
(12/02 01:49:4 Veralun: yeah
(12/02 01:50:06) Veralun: already polished my Fraps
(12/02 01:50:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 01:50:14) Crier for all: hehe
(12/02 01:50:14) Marten: And it's on a Sunday. I suppose I should try to get a ticket. Should we request different performance times?
(12/02 01:50:15) Shimmerillion: or have a couple of "cameras" at a single shoot, and cut back and forth
(12/02 01:50:25) Crier for all: oh yes
(12/02 01:50:30) Veralun: good idea Marten
(12/02 01:50:41) Veralun: lemme check what my ticket says
(12/02 01:50:44) Cavern Crier: we need a place on the GOMe website for links to these projects if they aren't posted on the site.
(12/02 01:50:54) Shimmerillion: ok
(12/02 01:52:1 Veralun: first choice is 4:15 EST
(12/02 01:52:40) Veralun: second is 3:30 EST
(12/02 01:52:50) Dudemom_2000: or could you ask to come in and film outside of the 25 tickets?
(12/02 01:52:59) Dudemom_2000: if they are sold out
(12/02 01:53:07) Cavern Crier: It's worth a shot
(12/02 01:53:0 Marten: For lag I don't think they'll want to do that.
(12/02 01:53:13) Cavern Crier: never hurts to ask
(12/02 01:53:15) Dudemom_2000: I know I requested mine the day they posted it
(12/02 01:53:26) Veralun: they possible want not to do that because the lag
(12/02 01:53:2 Dudemom_2000: well how many more to film?
(12/02 01:53:41) Dudemom_2000: if it is just one or two, it shouldnt matter
(12/02 01:53:55) Dudemom_2000: and in fact might be better with the new servers...hopefully
(12/02 01:54:03) Cavern Crier: hopefully
(12/02 01:54:51) Marten: The URL for the ticket request isn't working for me
(12/02 01:55:01) Cavern Crier: hmmm....
(12/02 01:55:05) Dudemom_2000: well, if it ends up the tickets are sold, if I get one, then I will give it to whomever wants to film
(12/02 01:55:15) Marten: linguists.bahro.com/domahreh/cavernchoir/ticket.php ?
(12/02 01:55:17) Cavern Crier: anyone know who is doing it?
(12/02 01:55:20) Dudemom_2000: they are going to let us know before the show
(12/02 01:55:21) Marten: I am reading from the KI message here.
(12/02 01:55:56) Dudemom_2000: I put mine in very early so I probably should get one
(12/02 01:56:00) Marten: Ah, found the issue. tickets.php, not ticket.php
(12/02 01:56:06) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 01:56:0 Veralun: ah
(12/02 01:56:09) Dudemom_2000: lol
(12/02 01:56:09) Crier for all: lol
(12/02 01:56:14) Marten: I know it says "do not edit your copy of this message" but I am going to fix that.
(12/02 01:58:13) Cavern Crier: Are we going to ask if we can get cameras into the event, or make due with what we get?
(12/02 01:58:29) Veralun: jsut what we get
(12/02 01:58:33) Cavern Crier: ok
(12/02 01:58:36) Dudemom_2000: well, if I get a ticket I will volunteer it so filming can be done
(12/02 01:58:42) Marten: I think it's reasonable to inform them we'll be filming.
(12/02 01:58:49) Cavern Crier: yes. I agree
(12/02 01:58:54) Crier for all: sure
(12/02 01:58:55) Veralun: I will contact Dom
(12/02 01:58:56) Dudemom_2000: so if one isnt gotten for filming you still have a backup
(12/02 01:59:04) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 01:59:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: good
(12/02 02:00:07) Shimmerillion: they might even be willing to do one number for the cameras in private
(12/02 02:00:2 Veralun: hehe
(12/02 02:00:37) Shimmerillion shrugs
(12/02 02:00:40) Veralun: if we laugh nice maybe
(12/02 02:00:44) Kalypso: Yay!/wave
(12/02 02:00:45) Kalypso waves hello
(12/02 02:00:57) Veralun: hi
(12/02 02:01:02) Cavern Crier: Shorah Kalypso
(12/02 02:01:07) Shimmerillion: shorah kalypso
(12/02 02:01:20) Crier for all: hi kalypso
(12/02 02:01:21) Kalypso: I hope to be here for longer than 5 minutes(internet problems)
(12/02 02:01:26) Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 02:01:31) Cavern Crier: I hope so too. lol
(12/02 02:01:31) Shimmerillion: we hope so too
(12/02 02:01:32) Marten: Aww.
(12/02 02:01:36) Dudemom_2000: aw. sorry to hear that Kalypso
(12/02 02:01:40) Marten: I'm trying for performances 1 or 2, Veralun.
(12/02 02:01:40) Cavern Crier: any more about the Choir concert?
(12/02 02:01:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: hi Kalypso
(12/02 02:01:55) Kalypso: I'm used to missing completely guild meetings
(12/02 02:02:15) Cavern Crier: well, you got in at the tail end of this one
(12/02 02:02:31) Shimmerillion: yup, better than nothing!
(12/02 02:02:35) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 02:02:50) Cavern Crier: Kalypso, do you have any projects you are working on?
(12/02 02:03:10) Kalypso: Personal projects? no, why?
(12/02 02:03:25) Shimmerillion: no, just updates on gom projects
(12/02 02:03:26) Kalypso: Only the website and Cavern Crier
(12/02 02:03:2 Cavern Crier: lo guild projects. We are sharing what we are all f=doing
(12/02 02:04:01) Cavern Crier: I know you are working on getting the Relayers as affiliates
(12/02 02:04:06) Kalypso: I could help with other projects though
(12/02 02:04:39) Crier for all: brb
(12/02 02:04:47) Kalypso: I posted something on the Relayer forum yesterday.. I,m waiting for someone to reply to my post
(12/02 02:04:55) Cavern Crier: ah.
(12/02 02:04:55) Dudemom_2000: ooh got to go look
(12/02 02:05:17) Kalypso: I'm very thankful that you all made it to the meeting though
(12/02 02:05:54) Cavern Crier: Any other projects or project ideas we haven't covered?
(12/02 02:06:34) Kalypso: I'm gonna read the chatlog of the meeting but is there anything I could do during this meeting? A question for me or something for me to help you with?
(12/02 02:07:16) Marten: I just sent a logo file to GoMe @ gmail. It's 2 color but needs shrinking down.
(12/02 02:07:16) Shimmerillion: i think new projects are going to be posted on the forum .. correct?
(12/02 02:07:33) Marten: That seemed to be the agreement.
(12/02 02:07:35) Shimmerillion: very nice, got it
(12/02 02:07:42) Cavern Crier: I would like them to be.
(12/02 02:07:55) Kalypso: I hope so. It would be the perfect way to communicate without too much delay.
(12/02 02:07:57) Ghaelen D'Lareh: mine will be, sometime this month. Maybe we can put out the promotion before the beginning of the new season
(12/02 02:08:06) Shimmerillion: i think that's doable
(12/02 02:08:11) Cavern Crier: that would be good
(12/02 02:08:24) Kalypso: What kind of promotion?
(12/02 02:08:39) Crier for all: back
(12/02 02:08:49) Ghaelen D'Lareh: a project for guild members to get involved in, making a video
(12/02 02:08:51) Cavern Crier: wb
(12/02 02:09:14) Ghaelen D'Lareh: something fun
(12/02 02:09:19) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 02:09:26) Kalypso: Interesting. What kind of video? One promoting the Gome? If that is true I love it!
(12/02 02:09:34) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 02:09:45) Cavern Crier: with voice
(12/02 02:09:50) Shimmerillion: does anyone have copies of the guild logos that i could create icons from?
(12/02 02:09:52) Veralun: we will do that Kalypso
(12/02 02:10:05) Marten: Just check every guild site
(12/02 02:10:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, kalypso, and it's in the chat log, too
(12/02 02:10:16) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 02:10:19) Veralun: I like to have one with some interviews from the members why they are in the Guild
(12/02 02:10:30) Cavern Crier: ok, if there is no more new business.....
(12/02 02:10:34) Shimmerillion: yeah, i just wondered if there was a "pure" version anywhere, or if everyone is sort of creating their own
(12/02 02:10:3 Marten: On to old business?
(12/02 02:10:51) Cavern Crier: If anyone has any old business
(12/02 02:11:02) Cavern Crier: please share it
(12/02 02:11:49) Cavern Crier: anything?
(12/02 02:11:55) Shimmerillion has nothing
(12/02 02:12:00) Crier for all shakes her head
(12/02 02:12:01) Kalypso: Old business such as...?
(12/02 02:12:09) Cavern Crier: whatever
(12/02 02:12:10) Marten: Old business.... um... the design for rel.to is forming slowly. The site that's up now isn't how it'll be in the end, I have big plans, but I'm busy.
(12/02 02:12:12) Shimmerillion: any exes you want to out
(12/02 02:12:25) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 02:12:29) Marten: Sorry to be a letdown!
(12/02 02:12:33) Cavern Crier: any random comments?
(12/02 02:12:36) Dudemom_2000: lol did you see Cyan is issuing another game?
(12/02 02:12:42) Cavern Crier: Marten, that was not a let down
(12/02 02:12:45) Dudemom_2000: busy lil beavers they are
(12/02 02:12:52) Kalypso: Marten, I noticed that Uru Radio isn't on rel.to. Could you addit please. I'm sure samsbase would appreciateit
(12/02 02:12:56) Marten: Yes, Rivenchan was bubbling about it on CyanChat the other day. Apparently she helped make quite a bit of it.
(12/02 02:13:00) Marten: Ururadio! Yes, I can add that.
(12/02 02:13:10) Cavern Crier: cool
(12/02 02:13:37) Kalypso: I really appreciate rel.to marten BTW. I always use it
(12/02 02:14:00) Shimmerillion: oh - if there is anybody on the gom forum that needs to be added to the affiliates usergroup (so they can see the private section) please let me know
(12/02 02:14:03) Cavern Crier: any other random comments?
(12/02 02:14:11) Shimmerillion: i love gom
(12/02 02:14:1 Shimmerillion cheers
(12/02 02:14:21) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh, I need to do that, shim
(12/02 02:14:27) Marten: radio.kahstudios.com right?
(12/02 02:14:3 Veralun: send the mail tomorrow
(12/02 02:14:46) Shimmerillion: the website is on our affiliates page
(12/02 02:15:25) Kalypso: I may have a "project or something" I could be nice if the several messaging organizations could have links to the GoMe Website. One of the new step for the website is the promotional push and being such a big family it would be nice to send people both ways
(12/02 02:15:42) Cavern Crier nods her head
(12/02 02:15:44) Cavern Crier: yes it would
(12/02 02:15:4 Shimmerillion: good idea. i'll create banners people can use if they choose
(12/02 02:16:0 Cavern Crier: ty Shimmer
(12/02 02:16:11) Marten: *adds the redirect and puts a few links on the page that weren't mentioned befoer*
(12/02 02:16:19) Veralun: send them a nice Christmascard with some promotion
(12/02 02:16:23) Cavern Crier: ty Marten
(12/02 02:16:45) Shimmerillion: christmas cards - that's actually a good idea
(12/02 02:17:02) Cavern Crier: yes it is
(12/02 02:17:04) Veralun: you need only a few made
(12/02 02:17:06) Shimmerillion: should we create some christmas (or "holiday") cards, saying happy holidays from gom? just as a promotional sort of thing?
(12/02 02:17:16) Veralun: upload them and spraid them out
(12/02 02:17:17) Cavern Crier: I would do holiday cards
(12/02 02:17:24) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol, Cryeing Cards?
(12/02 02:17:29) Cavern Crier roars with laughter
(12/02 02:17:32) Crier for all: lol
(12/02 02:17:34) Shimmerillion starts to laugh
(12/02 02:17:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: sorry, couldn't resist
(12/02 02:17:36) Veralun: singing cards
(12/02 02:17:37) Marten: *opens card* BOOHOOHOO! *AIIIIE!*
(12/02 02:17:45) Kalypso: A banner is a very good idea. Eventually I would love to have on the website a place for people interested in joining the Guild but who are confused as to which organization to join. A guide for which organization is the most appropriate based on their talents and interests would be a good thing.
(12/02 02:17:47) Shimmerillion: LOL
(12/02 02:17:47) Crier for all: haha
(12/02 02:17:4 Ghaelen D'Lareh can see video cryer cards
(12/02 02:17:57) Ghaelen D'Lareh: all the messengers swaying and caroling
(12/02 02:18:06) Shimmerillion: ok
(12/02 02:18:07) Ghaelen D'Lareh rolls her eyes at herself
(12/02 02:18:49) Cavern Crier: An introduction to the GOMe section?
(12/02 02:18:56) Shimmerillion: we could take a picture in winter delin (delin - right? i get them confused)
(12/02 02:19:06) Cavern Crier shrugs
(12/02 02:19:07) Kalypso: yesshimmer
(12/02 02:19:0 Shimmerillion: more like a better organized affiliates page
(12/02 02:19:52) Cavern Crier: I think I'm confused
(12/02 02:20:01) Kalypso: Yes but making the main page more explorer friendly. I still believe that most people don't know they can contribute news as explorers
(12/02 02:20:05) Cavern Crier: what is it's purpose?
(12/02 02:20:06) Shimmerillion: oh ok
(12/02 02:20:13) Cavern Crier: oh
(12/02 02:20:16) Cavern Crier: I see
(12/02 02:20:26) Shimmerillion: yeah, like i said ... i'm going to have to reorganize the whole thing pretty soon
(12/02 02:20:27) Cavern Crier: Have the introduction on the main page?
(12/02 02:20:30) Shimmerillion:
(12/02 02:20:36) Shimmerillion: well ... no
(12/02 02:20:43) Cavern Crier: and links the the news feed and forums?
(12/02 02:20:43) Shimmerillion: i'll post one of my famous drawings on the forum
(12/02 02:20:4 Kalypso: So I guess an introduction page would be the appropriate thing to have
(12/02 02:21:02) Kalypso: yay! Shimmer drawing!
(12/02 02:21:0 Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 02:21:12) Cavern Crier: Can't wait to see it
(12/02 02:21:52) Cavern Crier: Kalypso, can you work on what to put on the introduction? Just to get an idea of what you had in mind
(12/02 02:21:52) Kalypso: CCN, you'll post the video project soon on the forum?
(12/02 02:21:53) Shimmerillion: ok, i know this is a dumb question .. but why can't i upload to the guild imager? i was trying to put the flyer up
(12/02 02:22:09) Cavern Crier shrugs
(12/02 02:22:3 Veralun: there are several project we like to do
(12/02 02:22:39) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I'll post it kalypso, but not right away
(12/02 02:22:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and this will be only one of many people can do
(12/02 02:23:03) Veralun: I will register myself and post something on the forum
(12/02 02:23:0 Marten: Is the image not appearing after you copy it to the imager, or are you not getting the option to copy it?
(12/02 02:23:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: For this one, I have to get some RL things done first
(12/02 02:23:15) Kalypso: Ok Cavern crier, I'll post on the forum what I think would be appropriate for the introduction page. Then we could work all on it to have the best page we can give to the explorers
(12/02 02:23:15) Shimmerillion: the image isn't appearing
(12/02 02:23:20) Shimmerillion: i posted it before the meeting
(12/02 02:23:25) Cavern Crier: brb
(12/02 02:23:2 Marten: Hm. No idea then, except it might appear after leaving and returning.
(12/02 02:23:40) Shimmerillion: oh ok
(12/02 02:23:45) Marten: If not, file a ticket.
(12/02 02:23:51) Crier for all:
(12/02 02:23:53) Shimmerillion: aha!
(12/02 02:23:59) Shimmerillion grins gleefully
(12/02 02:24:10) Marten: I'm going to need to depart for dinner. See you all around!
(12/02 02:24:17) Marten waves goodbye
(12/02 02:24:1 Shimmerillion: ok thanks for coming marten
(12/02 02:24:1 Veralun: bye
(12/02 02:24:21) Crier for all: bye marten
(12/02 02:24:27) Kalypso: Thank you for coming Marten
(12/02 02:24:29) Dudemom_2000: nite marten
(12/02 02:24:59) Cavern Crier: back
(12/02 02:25:02) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, bye Marten
(12/02 02:25:03) Kalypso is happy to still be in the game! lol
(12/02 02:25:05) Crier for all: wb
(12/02 02:25:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: see you later!
(12/02 02:25:0 Shimmerillion: lol
(12/02 02:25:09) Cavern Crier: lol
(12/02 02:25:13) Cavern Crier: ty
(12/02 02:25:23) Cavern Crier: Any other guild business?
(12/02 02:25:33) Crier for all shakes her head
(12/02 02:25:47) Cavern Crier: then let's adjorn this meeting and go have fun
(12/02 02:25:54) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(12/02 02:25:55) Dudemom_2000: Karaoke!
(12/02 02:25:55) Crier for all cheers
(12/02 02:25:59) Ghaelen D'Lareh claps her hands
(12/02 02:26:04) Crier for all claps her hands
(12/02 02:26:05) Ghaelen D'Lareh: very good meeting
(12/02 02:26:09) Cavern Crier: DMom, do you have swifthawk on your buddies?
(12/02 02:26:10) Shimmerillion: Yay!
(12/02 02:26:14) Veralun: ok than I can have some sleep
(12/02 02:26:15) Kalypso: Should we schedule an other meeting in one month?
(12/02 02:26:16) Cavern Crier: See everyone later
(12/02 02:26:16) Veralun: lol
(12/02 02:26:20) Cavern Crier: Yes
(12/02 02:26:24) Ghaelen D'Lareh: aww, poor Veralun
(12/02 02:26:24) Cavern Crier: good idea
(12/02 02:26:34) Cavern Crier: Do we want to do it Jan 5th?
(12/02 02:26:36) Crier for all: yes 5 weeks is better
(12/02 02:26:37) Shimmerillion: aw, thanks for coming veralun!
(12/02 02:26:43) Cavern Crier: Same day as the guild systems meeting>
(12/02 02:26:45) Ghaelen D'Lareh: that's fine with me
(12/02 02:26:49) Kalypso: I have swifthawk in my buddy list if that can help you
(12/02 02:26:49) Shimmerillion: yes the more meetings in one day, the more likely i am to remember
(12/02 02:26:51) Shimmerillion:
(12/02 02:27:07) Cavern Crier: Could you ask him if he got my email?
(12/02 02:27:10) Kalypso: same thing for me;)
(12/02 02:27:15) Crier for all: lol we can send the newspaper with the date in it
(12/02 02:27:19) Cavern Crier: ok. Jan 5th. what time is good?
(12/02 02:27:30) Shimmerillion: same time same place? or move it up an hour?
(12/02 02:27:36) Cavern Crier: Guild systems is at 14:00
(12/02 02:27:37) Crier for all: earlier
(12/02 02:27:46) Cavern Crier: ok, 16:00?
(12/02 02:27:51) Shimmerillion: yeah that sounds good
(12/02 02:27:52) Veralun: this time was ok
(12/02 02:27:54) Cavern Crier: give time for both meetings
(12/02 02:27:59) Veralun: but please not later
(12/02 02:28:04) Cavern Crier: ok, no later
(12/02 02:28:06) Crier for all: no please
(12/02 02:28:10) Cavern Crier: 16:00 on Jan 5th
(12/02 02:28:19) Cavern Crier: See everyone then
(12/02 02:28:20) Veralun: 2:30 here
(12/02 02:28:23) Crier for all: okidoki
(12/02 02:28:24) Dudemom_2000: k
(12/02 02:28:27) Shimmerillion: wow
(12/02 02:28:30) Veralun: lol
(12/02 02:28:34) Cavern Crier: 2:30 am or pm?
(12/02 02:28:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: aww
(12/02 02:28:39) Crier for all: am
(12/02 02:28:40) Veralun: night
(12/02 02:28:42) Shimmerillion: ok bye everyone! where is karaoke?
(12/02 02:28:45) Cavern Crier: EEEEK!
(12/02 02:28:4 Shimmerillion: night veralun sweet dreams
(12/02 02:28:49) Shimmerillion:
(12/02 02:28:49) Cavern Crier: Bye shimmer
(12/02 02:28:53) Veralun: thanks
(12/02 02:28:54) Crier for all: bye bye all
(12/02 02:28:56) Cavern Crier: Sleep well Veralun
(12/02 02:28:57) Dudemom_2000: Karaoke bevin
(12/02 02:28:5 Ghaelen D'Lareh: bye all
(12/02 02:29:02) Ghaelen D'Lareh: bye Veralun
(12/02 02:29:03) Veralun: will send tomorrow my things
(12/02 02:29:04) Kalypso: bravcavern crier, hawk did not receive it. he ask when you sent it.
(12/02 02:29:04) Dudemom_2000: night Veralun
(12/02 02:29:07) ...Chat.log stopped.

2007, October 13th Chatlog: GoMe "See a need, Fill need Meeting"

Planning and strategy meeting concerning the future of the Guild of Messengers. The meeting was held in the GoMe pub @10:00 ki-time, Oct. 13th, 2007.

Original thread can be found here: http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12909

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(10/13 11:06:06) Chat.log started...
(10/13 11:06:30) Lynnutte: we still have a few minutes before we start
(10/13 11:06:55) Shimmerillion: is there a 5 guild meeting after this one?
(10/13 11:07:02) Boogihn f'toogo: wow i expected this place to be full
(10/13 11:07:11) Lynnutte: I haven't heard of any
(10/13 11:07:23) Lynnutte: There is the Job Fair I think
(10/13 11:07:25) Shimmerillion: ok good. i thought i remembered something about one, but i can't stay
(10/13 11:07:35) Shimmerillion: job fair is nov 3
(10/13 11:11:16) Lynnutte: Thank you all for coming
(10/13 11:12:15) Lynnutte: I asked to have this meeting to discuss what coomunication areas we still need to work on
(10/13 11:12:2 Lynnutte: which areas are not covered
(10/13 11:12:56) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and thank you Lynnutte for stepping up to try and get this going
(10/13 11:13:07) Boogihn f'toogo: yes, thanks
(10/13 11:13:10) Lynnutte: Sure Ghealen.
(10/13 11:13:31) Lynnutte: It looked like people were starting to forget, or get complacent
(10/13 11:13:42) Lynnutte: I feel this is really important
(10/13 11:13:47) Ghaelen D'Lareh: or, as in my case, very very busy on the surface
(10/13 11:13:52) Lynnutte: that too
(10/13 11:14:03) Lynnutte: I can understand that
(10/13 11:14:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: a gathering, on a regular basis, just to talk and re-aquaint ourselves is always good
(10/13 11:14:39) Lynnutte: There were some people asking for a way to get explorer events known
(10/13 11:15:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: in cavern mostly, yes?
(10/13 11:15:0 Lynnutte: I started a news letter and Lial is now helping me with that
(10/13 11:15:13) Boogihn f'toogo: i hope so
(10/13 11:15:14) Lynnutte: Yes, in the cavern
(10/13 11:15:19) Boogihn f'toogo:
(10/13 11:15:2 Ghaelen D'Lareh: a KInews Letter?
(10/13 11:15:39) Lynnutte: Yes.
(10/13 11:16:06) Shimmerillion: with the kinews letter, it might be a good idea to enlist gog and the resengs
(10/13 11:16:06) Lynnutte: If you look on the imager, you'll see 2 cavern events newsletters by Ly'net
(10/13 11:16:09) Lynnutte: that's me too
(10/13 11:16:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: very nice. I see the listings on the imager.
(10/13 11:16:25) Lynnutte: Lial does the GOG calendar
(10/13 11:16:30) Shimmerillion: for example, when a new explorer comes for help, they ask if they would like to subscribe to the kinewsletter
(10/13 11:16:33) Veralun: you can also point them to In Game Events on the MO:UL site
(10/13 11:16:44) Lynnutte: we are both working on the news letter now
(10/13 11:16:46) Boogihn f'toogo: i read on the forums that Jenine was looking into that as well
(10/13 11:16:57) Ghaelen D'Lareh: so one question is: How to get those listings in the hands of explorers?
(10/13 11:17:16) Boogihn f'toogo: is that separate?
(10/13 11:17:17) Lynnutte: I have been relying on explorers passing them to friend
(10/13 11:17:23) Lynnutte: Yes it is
(10/13 11:17:34) Lynnutte: I thought Jenine was working on a Guilds newsletter
(10/13 11:17:52) Boogihn f'toogo: i am not sure what is what actually....
(10/13 11:17:56) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, the guild support letter
(10/13 11:18:00) Boogihn f'toogo: :/
(10/13 11:18:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: it is a different one
(10/13 11:18:07) Boogihn f'toogo: ok
(10/13 11:18:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: unless there is yet another one
(10/13 11:18:11) Lynnutte: I am open to any suggestions on how to get the letter into more explorers hands
(10/13 11:18:39) Lynnutte: I have given it to budgie in GOG
(10/13 11:18:42) Shimmerillion: make it part of Orientation
(10/13 11:18:49) Lynnutte: that's a good idea
(10/13 11:18:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: have you included a sentence in it that asks them to pass it on during each event also?
(10/13 11:18:55) Boogihn f'toogo: are you talking about a general newsletter ongoing or once a week?
(10/13 11:18:56) Lynnutte: yes
(10/13 11:19:03) Lynnutte: ongoing
(10/13 11:19:10) Lynnutte: I have one for recurring events
(10/13 11:19:20) Lynnutte: and one for current events
(10/13 11:19:25) Boogihn f'toogo: ahhh ok
(10/13 11:19:30) Lynnutte: I update them as I find out about the events
(10/13 11:19:41) Lynnutte: I don't keep sending it to people
(10/13 11:19:49) Lynnutte: I just udate the 2 I have
(10/13 11:19:53) Ghaelen D'Lareh: what would be really nice is if people could download KImail from the imagers as well as upload it
(10/13 11:20:02) Shimmerillion: i think we do need to keep thinking, though, because i've never received the newsletter or any kimail for that matter ... i don't say this to ask someone to send it to me, because that's easy - but as a reminder that there are still a lot of people left to reach
(10/13 11:20:02) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:20:03) Veralun: be carefull not to spam ppl too much
(10/13 11:20:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, spamming is always the issue
(10/13 11:20:2 Veralun: it might work against us
(10/13 11:20:37) Ghaelen D'Lareh: when is it helpful and when spamming?
(10/13 11:20:44) Lynnutte: I don't want to spam. That is why I just update the 2 letters
(10/13 11:21:04) Lynnutte: That way, if they have the newsletter, they get the update on the letter
(10/13 11:21:04) Veralun: I know
(10/13 11:21:04) Shimmerillion: lynnutte, how often do you send it out? if explorers knew when to expect a kimail, they would not consider it unsolicited spam
(10/13 11:21:0 Boogihn f'toogo: somewhere in the newsletter you need to let ppl know to continue to check it
(10/13 11:21:27) Veralun: but that is the difficult thing who to send
(10/13 11:21:27) Lynnutte: ok, I think there is some confusion on how I distribute it
(10/13 11:21:33) Boogihn f'toogo: because as you update it, it changes in everyone's KI, right?
(10/13 11:21:33) Ghaelen D'Lareh: so what would be really helpful for you, Lynnutte, would be to know if people are getting it
(10/13 11:21:41) Lynnutte: Yes Boo
(10/13 11:21:56) Lynnutte: yes it would Ghaelen
(10/13 11:22:12) Boogihn f'toogo: so if someone gets it, then they dont need to receive it all the time, right?
(10/13 11:22:15) Lynnutte: so far, the people I have asked have gotten the updated version
(10/13 11:22:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: let's put that on our GoMe wish list
(10/13 11:22:26) Lynnutte: yes Boo
(10/13 11:22:45) Lynnutte: I update my version, and it automatically updates their version
(10/13 11:23:01) Ghaelen D'Lareh: a statement that says "Don't delete this mail as it is updated regularly"
(10/13 11:23:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: or something like that
(10/13 11:23:14) Lynnutte: that way they don't get lots of messages from me
(10/13 11:23:16) Boogihn f'toogo: right
(10/13 11:23:27) Lynnutte: That's a good idea Ghaelen
(10/13 11:23:34) Shimmerillion: yes it is
(10/13 11:23:39) Elatine: I had no idea it was being updated until yesterday when I was cleaning out my KI
(10/13 11:23:43) Lynnutte: I don't think I put that on the letter
(10/13 11:23:50) Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 11:23:5 Lynnutte: I will put that on it
(10/13 11:24:0 Boogihn f'toogo: so it really wouldnt be spam would it?
(10/13 11:24:15) Lynnutte: no, it's not
(10/13 11:24:19) Elatine: Not at all
(10/13 11:24:21) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I do think people pass on mail they consider helpful to others, too
(10/13 11:24:25) Lynnutte: If they don't want it any more, they delete it
(10/13 11:24:37) Lynnutte: and won't get a new3 one
(10/13 11:24:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and it is better received if it comes from a friend
(10/13 11:24:4 Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:24:51) Boogihn f'toogo:
(10/13 11:25:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we pass around mail all the time at the roof parties, er, Root parties
(10/13 11:25:17) Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 11:25:27) Lynnutte: what is everyone else working on?
(10/13 11:25:47) Shimmerillion: well, kalypso and i were hoping to talk about the website, but her internet connection keeps timing out
(10/13 11:25:56) Lynnutte: darn
(10/13 11:25:57) Ghaelen D'Lareh: awww
(10/13 11:26:02) Lynnutte: I would like to hear about it
(10/13 11:26:07) Ghaelen D'Lareh: me too
(10/13 11:26:16) Lynnutte: what is the web addy?
(10/13 11:26:54) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh, and I forgot to post that I think pointing the sites to the one you suggested Shim, is a good idea. You suggested www.guildofmessengers.com?
(10/13 11:27:03) Shimmerillion: the plan is to have stevecrox host the site at guildofmessengers.org. veralun will contribute guildofmessengers.com and someone also has guilmessengers.nete
(10/13 11:27:13) Shimmerillion: net
(10/13 11:27:17) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yeah, I do
(10/13 11:27:1 Lynnutte: nice
(10/13 11:27:23) Shimmerillion: yes, thats the plan, ghaelen
(10/13 11:27:2 Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok
(10/13 11:27:3 Boogihn f'toogo: so there are three sites?
(10/13 11:27:39) Lynnutte: so, 3 websites?
(10/13 11:27:42) Shimmerillion: unfortunately, i wasnt able to access steve's ftp with the info he gave me, and i havent heard back from him
(10/13 11:27:44) Boogihn f'toogo: lol
(10/13 11:27:45) Shimmerillion: no no no
(10/13 11:27:4 Shimmerillion: not 3 websites
(10/13 11:27:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: no, one site
(10/13 11:27:53) Lynnutte: oh
(10/13 11:27:56) Shimmerillion: just 3 addresses to point to 1 website
(10/13 11:27:57) Boogihn f'toogo: ?
(10/13 11:28:01) Boogihn f'toogo: oh
(10/13 11:28:01) Lynnutte: OH!
(10/13 11:28:04) Lynnutte: Good idea
(10/13 11:28:09) Ghaelen D'Lareh: just like other sites do
(10/13 11:28:09) Veralun: the advantage of using com might be that you can also handle some commercial things like a donation etc
(10/13 11:28:20) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:28:21) Shimmerillion: yes
(10/13 11:28:22) Ghaelen D'Lareh: right, veralun, I was just thinking that
(10/13 11:28:33) Shimmerillion: that will probably be the primary
(10/13 11:28:39) Veralun: as example I mention the GOG site
(10/13 11:29:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: maybe the folks at GOG could help us with set-up
(10/13 11:29:23) Shimmerillion: anyway, i was hoping to test the rss since thats the main technical thing to work out, but i haven't been able to get into steve's server
(10/13 11:29:24) Lynnutte: wouldn't hurt to ask
(10/13 11:29:27) Ghaelen D'Lareh: since we know things will probably change
(10/13 11:29:29) Veralun: they can ask for donation and sell some things because they have .com
(10/13 11:29:45) Ghaelen D'Lareh: do we need some server space to work with?
(10/13 11:29:54) Shimmerillion: it depends on what steve replies
(10/13 11:29:57) Veralun: and a site will need donation in future for hosting etc
(10/13 11:30:30) Shimmerillion: yes, we can definitely put up a donation thing
(10/13 11:30:3 Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, well, shim, if you don't hear from Steve, I have something that might work
(10/13 11:30:43) Ghaelen D'Lareh: an idea, I mean
(10/13 11:30:43) Shimmerillion: ok great
(10/13 11:30:4 Veralun: and I recommand to ask advice for sitebuilding to Tweek and Amonre
(10/13 11:30:59) Shimmerillion: ok i'll see if we can get them onboard
(10/13 11:31:00) Ghaelen D'Lareh: can we ask them?
(10/13 11:31:0 Veralun: sure Ghaelen
(10/13 11:31:13) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I mean, they aren't too busy?
(10/13 11:31:20) Lynnutte: never hurts to ask
(10/13 11:31:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: true
(10/13 11:31:34) Veralun: giving advise will not be the problem
(10/13 11:31:42) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 11:31:47) Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 11:31:55) Shimmerillion: yeah, if anyone wants to help, i have a whole list of jobs
(10/13 11:32:01) Veralun: they might not do the job but their advice is very valuable
(10/13 11:32:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and our list of people is growing, too
(10/13 11:32:12) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:32:14) Boogihn f'toogo: what kind of jobs shim?
(10/13 11:32:22) Lynnutte: very quickly too
(10/13 11:32:26) Lynnutte: I'm sure
(10/13 11:32:26) Ghaelen D'Lareh: so one of these days we'll match people to tasks, maybe
(10/13 11:32:33) Lynnutte: I hope so
(10/13 11:32:43) Veralun: that is what I hope too
(10/13 11:33:20) Shimmerillion: designers, blog master, forum master, mods, rss, database, newsbin, tutorial writers, calendar programmer, link collector, translator
(10/13 11:33:33) Veralun: doing the job together and not a single person will give the impression that it is a Cavern thing and not an induvidual thing
(10/13 11:33:40) Lynnutte: all stuff I have no idea how to do. lol
(10/13 11:33:50) Boogihn f'toogo: ah.... jobs for smart ppl....
(10/13 11:33:5 Shimmerillion: lol well hopefully we'll get some volunteers
(10/13 11:33:59) Lynnutte: Thanks Boo
(10/13 11:34:03) Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 11:34:07) Veralun: there are lots of smart ppl in the Cavern
(10/13 11:34:0 Boogihn f'toogo: lol
(10/13 11:34:12) Shimmerillion: i can do all of it except the translating, but as veralun said .. i'd rather have help
(10/13 11:34:1 Shimmerillion:
(10/13 11:34:20) Lynnutte: I'm not smart, just determined
(10/13 11:34:20) Ghaelen D'Lareh: well, I've done most of those in one form or another, and it's not so much "hard" as a learning process and time consuming
(10/13 11:34:22) Boogihn f'toogo: that is good to hear
(10/13 11:34:25) Veralun: giving them a change will only profit the GOM
(10/13 11:34:34) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, veralun
(10/13 11:34:56) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and if we start small.... it won't look so big...
(10/13 11:34:57) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 11:35:04) Shimmerillion: the website conversation is at the myst online forums, so if you're interested in helping out, please pop over there
(10/13 11:35:15) Lynnutte: Has anyone heard of things other explorers would like to have in the cavern that GOM might be able to do?
(10/13 11:35:33) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I have an idea
(10/13 11:35:36) Boogihn f'toogo: i am not in any loop about what is happening....
(10/13 11:35:37) Lynnutte: What?
(10/13 11:35:4 Veralun: see the discussions on the forums about the Archivists
(10/13 11:35:49) Ghaelen D'Lareh: it might serve a dual purpose
(10/13 11:35:56) Lynnutte: me neither Boo, that's why I ask
(10/13 11:35:59) Veralun: lots of good ideas
(10/13 11:36:09) Lynnutte: I will take a look
(10/13 11:36:13) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I'll do that too
(10/13 11:36:20) Lynnutte: What is your idea Ghaelen?
(10/13 11:36:33) Boogihn f'toogo: i was wondering about the thing that Thend was doing and Jenine was interested in .... also the archivist thing
(10/13 11:36:4 Boogihn f'toogo: are they all different?
(10/13 11:37:09) Veralun: no they are all similar what the GOM actually want to do
(10/13 11:37:33) Lynnutte: What is Thend doing?
(10/13 11:37:40) Boogihn f'toogo: last episode
(10/13 11:37:5 Lynnutte: I probably missed it, or forgot
(10/13 11:38:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, the daily updates
(10/13 11:38:10) Boogihn f'toogo: he was writing a summary of each days event s and passing them around to anyone that wanted them
(10/13 11:38:11) Lynnutte: Oh, yeah
(10/13 11:38:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, that was very nice
(10/13 11:38:24) Lynnutte: i think he is going to do that again
(10/13 11:38:31) Boogihn f'toogo: yes, it was a good way incavern to keep ppl uptodate
(10/13 11:38:32) Veralun: yes he will
(10/13 11:38:35) Lynnutte: i will ask him next time I see him
(10/13 11:38:44) Lynnutte: Yes it was
(10/13 11:39:16) Shimmerillion: but how can we get his summary to everyone? i guess this goes back to the newsletter question
(10/13 11:39:21) Ghaelen D'Lareh: anyway, I have in mind for us to gather, casually to talk, on a regular basis. One meeting here, to discuss work issues; one gathering in kirel, just to talk and pass around info to new/interested explorers
(10/13 11:39:40) Ghaelen D'Lareh: they can both be on the same day, one after the other, or on different days
(10/13 11:39:42) Lynnutte: good idea Ghaelen
(10/13 11:39:49) Boogihn f'toogo: yes,
(10/13 11:39:5 Ghaelen D'Lareh: since we don't have ways to use the imagers, we will have to be the imagers, lol
(10/13 11:39:5 Lynnutte: that would give us as a group time to talk
(10/13 11:40:02) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes
(10/13 11:40:0 Lynnutte: And then we can talk to the other Guilds
(10/13 11:40:16) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, if they want to talk
(10/13 11:40:22) Lynnutte: See how we all can help each other
(10/13 11:40:29) Boogihn f'toogo: and the only public imager is in watchers pub right?
(10/13 11:40:41) Elatine: It might also be nice to have people stationed in the caven that are labeled "messenger" to help spread news and information
(10/13 11:40:46) Ghaelen D'Lareh: here for messenger specific discussions, and out there for general, since the population shows for Kirel in the nexus
(10/13 11:40:52) Shimmerillion: thats a wonderful idea, elatine
(10/13 11:40:56) Lynnutte: That's an idea
(10/13 11:41:04) Elatine: similar to relayers
(10/13 11:41:06) Boogihn f'toogo: the town crier idea?
(10/13 11:41:07) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:41:09) Shimmerillion: yes
(10/13 11:41:11) Elatine: esactly
(10/13 11:41:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, the town crier idea
(10/13 11:41:16) Boogihn f'toogo: that is cool
(10/13 11:41:27) Marten: Apologies for benig late. Forgot this moved up an hour
(10/13 11:41:27) Lynnutte: hi Marten
(10/13 11:41:2 Veralun: good to see you here
(10/13 11:41:31) Ghaelen D'Lareh: maybe set times, like GOG
(10/13 11:41:39) Shimmerillion: shorah, ireen
(10/13 11:41:4 ireenquench: shorah, sorry for being late
(10/13 11:41:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we each would have a time to be in Kirel or the city with all the KI messages
(10/13 11:42:04) Ghaelen D'Lareh: for an hour or two
(10/13 11:42:09) Shimmerillion: yeah
(10/13 11:42:13) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I could do that (I think)
(10/13 11:42:22) Boogihn f'toogo: that is even better than trying to send to friends
(10/13 11:42:23) Shimmerillion: wearing a messenger shirt of course
(10/13 11:42:3 Ghaelen D'Lareh: of course (you notice I got used to the yellow....)
(10/13 11:42:3 Boogihn f'toogo: ppl wanting to know things go to Kirel and ask for newsletter
(10/13 11:42:40) Veralun: visit public hoods and ask them to put the message on their imager
(10/13 11:42:49) Shimmerillion: and it would only need to be one person per shift, so we wouldn't have to spread ourselves quite as thin
(10/13 11:42:5 Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes
(10/13 11:43:04) Boogihn f'toogo: i could volunteer for that....
(10/13 11:43:06) Boogihn f'toogo:
(10/13 11:43:13) Ghaelen D'Lareh: me too
(10/13 11:43:23) Shimmerillion: yes, as long as it was a regular time each week, people could plan their schedules accordingly
(10/13 11:43:26) Lynnutte: i just asked Elatine if I could add that job to the relayers. She said yes. Would anyone else have a problem with me doing that?
(10/13 11:43:36) Shimmerillion: no, i think that's great
(10/13 11:43:3 Veralun: np
(10/13 11:43:41) Boogihn f'toogo: np
(10/13 11:43:43) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and we meet here once a month or so to make sure we have all the updates and messages
(10/13 11:43:46) Lynnutte: Ok
(10/13 11:43:53) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and more often during episodes
(10/13 11:44:07) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:44:12) Shimmerillion: well, once we get the website up and going, people can do their updates through the site; then lynnutte can decide which get put on the list
(10/13 11:44:16) Boogihn f'toogo: maybe add that to the gog/beg bevin orientation?
(10/13 11:44:26) Shimmerillion: yes, boo
(10/13 11:44:31) Lynnutte: k
(10/13 11:44:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: that way I won't feel overwhelmed by being in the cavern and trying to put together the vidcast on the surface at the same time
(10/13 11:44:44) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I go bonky trying to do that
(10/13 11:44:44) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:45:02) Lynnutte: i prefer to work in the cavern
(10/13 11:45:07) Boogihn f'toogo: me too
(10/13 11:45:14) ireenquench: sorry for interrupting, are you talking about KI mails? ABOUT GoMe or a news mail?
(10/13 11:45:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and people who like to be in the cavern a lot could take longer shifts if they wanted to
(10/13 11:45:33) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:45:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: Ki mails and how to make them easily accessible
(10/13 11:45:41) Shimmerillion: ireen, we're talking about stationing 1 messenger in kirel or the cavern, to be the "public imager"
(10/13 11:45:43) Boogihn f'toogo: yes.... a newsletter
(10/13 11:45:52) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol@ public imager
(10/13 11:46:02) Boogihn f'toogo: i like that
(10/13 11:46:03) Shimmerillion: we would go in shifts, and explorers would approach us for the latest news
(10/13 11:46:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: the cavern crier
(10/13 11:46:0 Shimmerillion: exactly!
(10/13 11:46:17) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh, that sounds like a newsletter title, lol
(10/13 11:46:27) Elatine: great idea! lol
(10/13 11:46:29) ireenquench: the content would have to do with GoMe or with News (busy week stuff, events, community stuff) ?
(10/13 11:46:29) Boogihn f'toogo: great!
(10/13 11:46:37) Ghaelen D'Lareh: news
(10/13 11:46:39) Shimmerillion: and actually, if we were in the cavern, we could designate a specific spot to stand in, so that explorers always know where to go, regardless of who is being the crier for that day
(10/13 11:46:49) Ghaelen D'Lareh: good idea
(10/13 11:46:51) Lynnutte: Good idea
(10/13 11:46:57) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I could stand in one spot
(10/13 11:47:05) Ghaelen D'Lareh starts to laugh
(10/13 11:47:07) Boogihn f'toogo: me too
(10/13 11:47:09) Lynnutte: so Boo, you want to volunteer for the messengers job?
(10/13 11:47:12) Shimmerillion: lol or dance in one spot
(10/13 11:47:15) Shimmerillion:
(10/13 11:47:17) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yeah
(10/13 11:47:1 Boogihn f'toogo: the town crier?
(10/13 11:47:1 Lynnutte: Or sit
(10/13 11:47:21) Boogihn f'toogo: sure!
(10/13 11:47:24) Lynnutte: Yes
(10/13 11:47:26) Lynnutte: Ok
(10/13 11:47:2 Lynnutte: Thanks
(10/13 11:47:46) Ghaelen D'Lareh: even with just a few of us at the beginning, we could make it regular so people wil know where to come for news
(10/13 11:47:52) Shimmerillion: yes
(10/13 11:48:06) Lynnutte: i will try to get with Thend to make sure he sends the episode week updates and I will give you copies of my newsletters
(10/13 11:48:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we could pass on Thends news mails, too
(10/13 11:48:13) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol, like minds...
(10/13 11:48:15) Shimmerillion: and we could do public announcements at first, like / shout come to the (location) for news
(10/13 11:48:16) Boogihn f'toogo: can anyone contribute to the newsletter?
(10/13 11:48:20) Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 11:48:26) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:48:34) Lynnutte: yes. anyone can
(10/13 11:48:37) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I don't know how Thend handles his
(10/13 11:48:47) Lynnutte: for mine anyway
(10/13 11:48:51) ireenquench: I could share experiences about Thends KI chain experiment from last busy week.
(10/13 11:48:56) Lynnutte: But I'm only doing explorer events
(10/13 11:48:59) Elatine: Any upcoming events and information should be accepted, I think
(10/13 11:49:1 Shimmerillion: yes, i say events and news (whether explorer or DRC)
(10/13 11:49:19) Boogihn f'toogo: what were your experiences Ireen?
(10/13 11:49:41) Marten: My experience with the KI chain was that I only got some of them... people didn't forward on the new ones for each day :/
(10/13 11:49:54) Boogihn f'toogo: that was mine....
(10/13 11:49:56) Boogihn f'toogo:
(10/13 11:50:00) ireenquench: Dont have too many editors... due to KI bugs with editing, its best a max of 2 people to actually write in the thing
(10/13 11:50:01) Lynnutte: this would elminate that
(10/13 11:50:14) Lynnutte: Ok. I'll keep that in mind
(10/13 11:50:17) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, and it sounds like we have three kinds of kimail chains so far. Episode News (mainly Thend), explorer events (Lynnutte) and guild support (Jenine)
(10/13 11:50:25) Marten: Ireen, are the KI editing bugs ticketed?
(10/13 11:50:25) Boogihn f'toogo: and Thend would only need to send it to the Crier....
(10/13 11:50:33) Ghaelen D'Lareh: right, boo
(10/13 11:50:36) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:50:44) Shimmerillion: right and the Crier would pass it on to the next shift's Crier
(10/13 11:50:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and maybe the relayers could relay it to their lists, too
(10/13 11:50:50) Boogihn f'toogo: great!
(10/13 11:51:03) ireenquench: lesson 2: everytime you spread it... tell folks to pass it on, its important that the passing on idea gets across, add that to the text of the mail
(10/13 11:51:07) Lynnutte: Oops
(10/13 11:51:17) Lynnutte: Relayers are only for relaying
(10/13 11:51:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ah
(10/13 11:51:25) Boogihn f'toogo: i agree...
(10/13 11:51:27) Boogihn f'toogo: whew
(10/13 11:51:29) Marten: (Relayers are people too!)
(10/13 11:51:34) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 11:51:34) Lynnutte: They get upset if I give them more work
(10/13 11:51:37) Shimmerillion: yes, and conversely the Crier should not be asked to Relay while on shift
(10/13 11:51:45) Boogihn f'toogo: agreed
(10/13 11:51:47) Lynnutte: Exactly
(10/13 11:51:56) Lynnutte: i job for each title
(10/13 11:51:59) Lynnutte: 1
(10/13 11:52:15) ireenquench: lesson 3: try to network with active other folks, "key people", of whom you know they have a whole bubble of folks to share with
(10/13 11:52:19) Marten: Right... people should know what they're signing up for. If they want to take on multiple jobs, that's their choice.
(10/13 11:52:27) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:52:31) Marten listens to Ireen
(10/13 11:52:34) Shimmerillion: Should we timestamp the newsletters for the latest update? since we're not sure if they do it automatically yet?
(10/13 11:52:3 Lynnutte: Exactly marten
(10/13 11:52:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh that's a good idea Shim
(10/13 11:53:09) Lynnutte: they do update if you update the master copy
(10/13 11:53:31) Lynnutte: But time stamping is a good idea
(10/13 11:53:35) ireenquench: lesson 4: ask greeters if they want to take a small part in the sharing aspect, if they want to receive it and take part in passing on, if the greeters agree on that you have a group of helpers in this
(10/13 11:53:59) ireenquench: since they already have volunteers permanently in cavern
(10/13 11:54:01) Lynnutte: i already have budgie helping
(10/13 11:54:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh wants to ask a question...
(10/13 11:54:1 Lynnutte: i gave her my events letters
(10/13 11:54:24) Lynnutte: what Ghaelen?
(10/13 11:54:37) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I should probably know this, but... do kimails take up room like images in the ki?
(10/13 11:54:49) Boogihn f'toogo: no
(10/13 11:54:49) Lynnutte shrugs
(10/13 11:54:53) Ghaelen D'Lareh: do we have to delete them after so many?
(10/13 11:54:5 Boogihn f'toogo: no
(10/13 11:55:04) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, thanks
(10/13 11:55:23) Lynnutte: Good thing with all the DRC messages
(10/13 11:55:29) Boogihn f'toogo:
(10/13 11:55:30) ireenquench: another lesson: if you want to make sure the mail is not messed with, (vandalism ) there is a trick: once the final version is done put it on an imager, take a KI pic and send the KI pic as the newsletter: downside: not updateable anymore
(10/13 11:55:39) Shimmerillion: ok, so ... will the criers be passing out copies of a single KIMail, called "Latest Events," that Lynnutte updates the Master copy of?
(10/13 11:55:56) Shimmerillion: good tip, ireen
(10/13 11:55:57) Veralun: that is a good one Ireen
(10/13 11:56:13) Shimmerillion: ... or will they be new KIMails?
(10/13 11:56:14) Lynnutte: They might be passing out 4 KI messages
(10/13 11:56:19) Boogihn f'toogo: well, there are three master copies
(10/13 11:56:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: is vandalism a big problem
(10/13 11:56:23) Boogihn f'toogo: or 4
(10/13 11:56:26) Lynnutte: one from Thend
(10/13 11:56:30) Lynnutte: One from Jenine
(10/13 11:56:3 Lynnutte: And maybe 2 for me
(10/13 11:56:41) Shimmerillion: ok
(10/13 11:56:5 Lynnutte: Depends on if I keep recurring events separate from current events
(10/13 11:57:00) Veralun: is it not possible to combine them?
(10/13 11:57:11) Boogihn f'toogo: Lynnutte, will you be talking to Thed and Jenine?
(10/13 11:57:1 Lynnutte: i can combine my letters
(10/13 11:57:19) Ghaelen D'Lareh: If I got an events mail, I'd like both in one
(10/13 11:57:22) ireenquench: You'd have to ask Thend, but I am not sure if he will do the KIchain for the next busy week, might need to find another volunteer for that
(10/13 11:57:23) Lynnutte: yes I will
(10/13 11:57:31) Lynnutte: Kk
(10/13 11:57:31) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and I'd just see the recurring events over and over, lol
(10/13 11:57:35) Lynnutte: i will ask thend
(10/13 11:57:47) Shimmerillion: it seems like the two main newsletters should be: Events and News
(10/13 11:57:54) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes
(10/13 11:57:59) Ghaelen D'Lareh: that's good
(10/13 11:58:01) Boogihn f'toogo: that sounds good shim
(10/13 11:58:05) Shimmerillion: events can be recurring or current, and news should include episode updates but also other news
(10/13 11:58:11) Lynnutte: It will make less work too
(10/13 11:58:16) Marten: the biggest reason not to cram too much into the KI messages is that sometimes things get cut off.
(10/13 11:58:29) Boogihn f'toogo: that is true marten.
(10/13 11:58:36) Lynnutte: And they won't fit on imagers
(10/13 11:58:36) Shimmerillion: well, we can keep an archive somewhere on the surface if people really need to access old material
(10/13 11:58:45) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 11:58:55) Lynnutte: Good thing to have on the website
(10/13 11:58:5 Shimmerillion: yep
(10/13 11:58:5 Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes
(10/13 11:59:19) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and I do think the guild support mail is a nice one to pass out
(10/13 11:59:2 Lynnutte: me too
(10/13 11:59:37) Shimmerillion: if other people have newsletters to pass out, i don't see why we can't help them out
(10/13 11:59:43) Shimmerillion: including guild support
(10/13 12:00:06) Shimmerillion: or if some of the other guilds want to create a newsletter
(10/13 12:00:27) Shimmerillion: after all, that's still Messenging, isn't it?
(10/13 12:00:43) Boogihn f'toogo: the crier could actually function as a newspaper stand....
(10/13 12:00:50) Veralun: yes offering them to bring out such a letter would be good
(10/13 12:00:50) Shimmerillion: yeah
(10/13 12:00:5 Lynnutte: passing out newsletters from the other guilds would fall under our "domain". lol
(10/13 12:01:04) Elatine: will the crier also gather information from explorers in cavenr on upcoming events that can be added to KI mail?
(10/13 12:01:14) Shimmerillion: thats a good idea
(10/13 12:01:22) Lynnutte: we can bring that up in the all guilds meeting
(10/13 12:01:36) Lynnutte: i think they should
(10/13 12:01:44) Shimmerillion: actually, i'm hoping the website can function as a repository of all events and news - so the kimail would be generated from the master list on the website
(10/13 12:01:45) Elatine: I agree
(10/13 12:01:46) Lynnutte: It would make it easier
(10/13 12:02:10) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we could have an internal kimail that we add to with information as we get it. That way I could update all of you even if I had to leave for the day
(10/13 12:02:14) Shimmerillion: in which case, the crier would be the IC/OOC liason to get it submitted
(10/13 12:02:23) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 12:02:30) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and the information would still get to the person doing that KImessage
(10/13 12:02:35) Marten: (Sorry to interrupt, has the topic touched on specific features we might like to ask Cyan for, yet?)
(10/13 12:02:57) Boogihn f'toogo: no
(10/13 12:02:5 Ghaelen D'Lareh: well, downloadable imager mail
(10/13 12:03:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: otherwise, no
(10/13 12:03:07) Shimmerillion: actually i think we could implement it fine without any requests
(10/13 12:03:24) Marten: Yes... though I'd like to see the ability to move KI mail in _and_ out of the game.
(10/13 12:03:34) Boogihn f'toogo: that would be nice
(10/13 12:03:37) Shimmerillion: i would second that, marten
(10/13 12:03:47) Marten: And I don't know of any reason that should be forbidden. It isn't like pictures where I can understand why those are blocked for uploading.
(10/13 12:03:49) Boogihn f'toogo: there are several KI issues that i would like to address
(10/13 12:03:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and a copy/paste feature
(10/13 12:04:01) Elatine: yes
(10/13 12:04:05) Boogihn f'toogo: yes. and folders....
(10/13 12:04:09) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes!
(10/13 12:04:24) Boogihn f'toogo: and more room for storage...
(10/13 12:04:30) Veralun: I think that is something for the future when the Guilds are officially exepted
(10/13 12:04:44) Veralun: accepted
(10/13 12:04:55) Boogihn f'toogo: what is?
(10/13 12:05:05) Marten: Perhaps Veralun; I don't think we should be too ambitious in what we ask for now, but there are some basic and simple ideas I think that are worth requesting.
(10/13 12:05:20) Lial: I think eventually you should be able to send KImail that cannot be edited by everyone
(10/13 12:05:21) ireenquench: yes, and the technical aspect should be similarly hack prrof like the jalka game editing, def worth a feature request, same for marker games which can be used as well, in total a marker game can take more text than a KI mail, it could beutilized as well as a workround for longer texts
(10/13 12:05:29) Lial: but that an individual can delete
(10/13 12:06:27) Shimmerillion: well, i think we've made a major breakthrough today with the Crier/newsstand idea
(10/13 12:06:29) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I agree Lial
(10/13 12:06:36) Boogihn f'toogo: me too!
(10/13 12:06:46) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I do too, and it seems quite manageable
(10/13 12:06:53) Shimmerillion: i have to leave, though. have fun at the 5 guild and I will see you all later!
(everyone says good bye to Shimmerillion)
(10/13 12:07:16) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, we can start a schedule kimail, maybe...
(10/13 12:07:17) Marten: What is the 5 guild thing? It was mentioend as the reason this meeting was moved up...
(10/13 12:07:32) Marten: But... I never saw anything else posted about it at MOUL.
(10/13 12:07:33) ireenquench: The crier newsstand idea has been around for a while, by diff folks and groups, manpower and consistency has always been the tricky part
(10/13 12:07:33) Lial: I think the Guild System meeting that is later today
(10/13 12:08:16) Boogihn f'toogo: there is supposed to be one at 1pm in Kirel right?
(10/13 12:08:25) Ghaelen D'Lareh: Ireen, we thought that even with a small number of criers, the important aspect would be location and schedule
(10/13 12:08:2 Marten: that's my point. "What" Guild system meeting today? It wasn't posted under 'The Guilds' area at MOUL was it?
(10/13 12:08:42) Boogihn f'toogo: thats where i got it i think
(10/13 12:08:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: be in the same place at regular times for people to come and get news from the crier
(10/13 12:08:51) Boogihn f'toogo: im not sure though
(10/13 12:09:04) Ghaelen D'Lareh: like the greeters' schedules
(10/13 12:09:14) Lial: Guild System meeting is at 2 pm today KI Time
(10/13 12:09:1 Ghaelen D'Lareh: and more often during episodes
(10/13 12:09:21) Boogihn f'toogo: ok
(10/13 12:09:24) ireenquench: Ok, schedule sign up could be a simple thread for now?
(10/13 12:09:25) Lynnutte: We need to recruit people from many different time zones
(10/13 12:09:25) Boogihn f'toogo: sorry
(10/13 12:09:2 Marten: Lial: Was there a MOUL announcement?
(10/13 12:09:33) Lynnutte: hi Lial
(10/13 12:09:36) Lial: Marten, it is the second meeting called by explorer JulyFT
(10/13 12:09:37) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, very simple, I hope!
(10/13 12:09:56) Lial: yes, in the Guilds part of the forum
(10/13 12:10:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: even if it is a couple hours a week per person, and twice during episodes
(10/13 12:10:06) Marten: I see 'Guild System Meeting' under The Guilds, it was last posted in on September 30....
(10/13 12:10:19) Ghaelen D'Lareh: that I could do, even if I am very busy on the surface
(10/13 12:10:31) Lynnutte: after this meeting, anyone interested in being a town crier, please talk to me
(10/13 12:10:36) Boogihn f'toogo: i have a lot of free time in the evening and later....
(10/13 12:10:37) Marten: And 2nd Guild system Meeting, also last posted Sept 30! OK.
(10/13 12:10:40) Boogihn f'toogo: ok
(10/13 12:10:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok
(10/13 12:10:51) Marten: OK, it's there, that explains why I mised it.
(10/13 12:11:31) Lynnutte: Maybe we should ask for another all guilds meeting for next week sometime
(10/13 12:11:42) Marten posts in the thread to bump it up.
(10/13 12:12:01) Veralun: hehe
(10/13 12:12:02) Lynnutte: Is there one for today then?
(10/13 12:12:16) Boogihn f'toogo: yes, at 2pm

(10/13 12:12:19) Ghaelen D'Lareh: now, what do you all think about a gathering in Kirel? The "public" gathering of messengers? today at the all guilds meeting would also be good just to be present.
(10/13 12:12:21) Marten: Yes, apparently there is. Just not very well publicized.
(10/13 12:12:22) Veralun: hi Thend
(everyone says hello to Thend)
(10/13 12:12:43) Marten: I'll attend, while I'm doing other work on the side here.
(10/13 12:12:47) Thend: Thought it started at 12 lol Hupsa
(10/13 12:13:07) Lynnutte: are you doing the content update newsletter this next episode?
(10/13 12:13:1 Thend: KI Chain? Yes
(10/13 12:13:22) Lynnutte: Good.
(10/13 12:13:31) ireenquench: I am semi-hosting LCs Minkata party later today, cant go to the all guild meeting
(10/13 12:13:37) Lynnutte: We are starting town criers to hand out newsletters to explorers
(10/13 12:13:50) Marten: Note: I suspect the poor publicity for the Guild meeting contributed to Lord Chaos dropping that dance over the top of it.
(10/13 12:13:57) Marten: Heh, Ireen, I was typing that as you said that.
(10/13 12:14:01) Lynnutte: Could you give us the updates during the episode?
(10/13 12:14:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ah, lol. now I have to decide
(10/13 12:14:14) ireenquench: Oh shoot, I hadnt even noticed that conflicted :S
(10/13 12:14:21) Thend: Who?
(10/13 12:14:26) Lynnutte: I am
(10/13 12:14:2 Marten: Fortunately, I have two PCs... I can attend both. MUAHAH!
(10/13 12:14:36) Boogihn f'toogo:
(10/13 12:14:37) Lynnutte: wish I could Marten
(10/13 12:14:3 Thend starts to laugh
(10/13 12:14:3 ireenquench laughs
(10/13 12:14:44) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 12:14:56) Lynnutte: it was Elatine's idea, but she said I could do it. lol
(10/13 12:15:57) Ghaelen D'Lareh: Should I add a section in the people resource list on MOUL for people interested in being Cavern Criers?
(10/13 12:16:05) Lynnutte: yes please
(10/13 12:16:12) Elatine: I think so
(10/13 12:16:12) Veralun: good idea
(10/13 12:16:14) ireenquench: Lynnute, not sure if you had discussed this... but did you see Jenine's KI newsletter idea? Might want to ask her if she wants to join in the pool?
(10/13 12:16:34) Lynnutte: no, but I was planning on talking with her
(10/13 12:16:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, I'll do that, so when we talk afterward I'll note everyone's name
(10/13 12:16:50) Lynnutte: i thought she was doing a guild newsletter
(10/13 12:17:01) Lynnutte: Ty Ghaelen
(10/13 12:17:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: she is, is she doing another one?
(10/13 12:17:11) Lynnutte: We would want to pass that along too
(10/13 12:17:1 Lynnutte: Ok, I will talk to her
(10/13 12:17:22) Lynnutte: Ty\
(10/13 12:17:34) ireenquench: I am not quite sure what the core focus of her kimailes content would be
(10/13 12:18:42) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I have one other item I'd like to discuss, and see how you all feel about whether it could/should be somewhere in any KImail
(10/13 12:18:49) Lynnutte: Ok
(10/13 12:19:04) Ghaelen D'Lareh: The audio/video surface newsy/explorer programs
(10/13 12:19:3 Lynnutte: What about them?
(10/13 12:20:0 Ghaelen D'Lareh: not sure, but to let people know if the event has been recorded and is available on the surface
(10/13 12:20:31) Ghaelen D'Lareh: so they can see themselves or parts of the episode, or hear about it in a podcast
(10/13 12:20:39) Thend: How about the audio broadcasts as 'shows' down here for those that wish to immerse themselves?
(10/13 12:20:40) Lynnutte: There has been a lot of controversy lately about video recording in the cavern
(10/13 12:20:56) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I wish we could show them in cavern, thend
(10/13 12:21:02) Lynnutte: That's an interesting idea Thend
(10/13 12:21:12) Lynnutte: Adio you can
(10/13 12:21:13) Ghaelen D'Lareh: really Lynnutte? I hadn't heard that
(10/13 12:21:17) Lynnutte: Yes
(10/13 12:21:24) Lynnutte: Go to GOG and ask them
(10/13 12:21:29) Lial: I think the controversy is about candid camera style recording
(10/13 12:21:3 Lynnutte: They had someone recording and sending it to a website]
(10/13 12:21:43) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh, sure. audio how? the relto player?
(10/13 12:21:43) Lial: not about recording at events
(10/13 12:21:52) Thend: Not the vodeo, of course, ghaelen, but the audio. vid has done that sort of In-Cavern thing for a year-and-a-half with SWN Tab-Speak. The technology is there, and it's easy
(10/13 12:21:54) Lynnutte: voice chat
(10/13 12:21:54) ireenquench: You could broadcast audio either through voice or shoutcast; i think that would be really nice, even get a wider audience for the audio stuff
(10/13 12:22:06) Lynnutte: i like that idea
(10/13 12:22:11) Thend: Not shoutcast
(10/13 12:22:17) ireenquench: and it would make for another thing that catually happens in the cavern
(10/13 12:22:20) Lynnutte: But, you can't would need voice actors
(10/13 12:22:44) Lynnutte: Someone who can do radio plays
(10/13 12:22:5 Thend: Not necessarily on voice actors, though could be good. Just the broadcast of half hour formatted blocks of interesting pieces
(10/13 12:23:0 Lynnutte: True
(10/13 12:23:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: neat
(10/13 12:23:1 Thend: for an audience in attendance
(10/13 12:23:23) Lynnutte: i like the idea of having that in cavern
(10/13 12:23:42) Thend: Everything is usually already recorded, just schedule 2 shows a week with the content
(10/13 12:23:45) Boogihn f'toogo: announce it prior to.... so ppl could plan to attend?
(10/13 12:23:46) Ghaelen D'Lareh: after mid-November, thend, I'd like to talk to you about that. It sounds like part of what I have in mind
(10/13 12:23:51) Thend nods his head
(10/13 12:23:57) Lynnutte: You could have it playing in a continuous loopin a bevin
(10/13 12:24:04) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh cool
(10/13 12:24:15) Thend: every Surface based organizartion could do that, within reason
(10/13 12:24:21) ireenquench: ghaelen, on your original question... I think there is has to be made a sensitive case by case decision... I was not even aware until recently so many people feel awkward about being filmed or logged
(10/13 12:24:23) Lynnutte: That way anyone can drop in and listen
(10/13 12:24:29) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok. now... how to get that as video also on the hood/relto/classroom imagers....when it's ok
(10/13 12:24:44) Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 12:24:45) Ghaelen D'Lareh 's ears start smoking
(10/13 12:24:5 Boogihn f'toogo: another request for our wish list
(10/13 12:25:02) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 12:25:04) Ghaelen D'Lareh: audio/radio plays are a lot of fun
(10/13 12:25:06) Veralun: future things Ghaelen
(10/13 12:25:09) Thend: Maybe Lynette, the thing is the time, plus making it something special, and if anyone wants to hear more, they will have an addy in a KImail
(10/13 12:25:11) Veralun: not possible yet
(10/13 12:25:11) Lynnutte: who is keeping track of the wish list?
(10/13 12:25:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 12:25:49) Boogihn f'toogo: i thought marten was....
(10/13 12:26:01) Boogihn f'toogo: is there more than what was in this meeting?
(10/13 12:26:04) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I have piped in music via voice chat, so I suppose the radio plays would be the same thing
(10/13 12:26:10) Thend nods his head
(10/13 12:26:17) Lynnutte: We need to add being able to pipe music or radio plays into a bevin without having to have an avie present all the time
(10/13 12:26:19) Boogihn f'toogo: i can go back through the chatlog later and make a list
(10/13 12:26:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh good, Boo
(10/13 12:26:42) Lynnutte: Ty Boo
(10/13 12:26:43) Boogihn f'toogo: ok i will do that
(10/13 12:27:13) Lynnutte: i love these brainstorming sessions
(10/13 12:27:52) Thend: Lynnutte, need to start with what wwe got. Tab-Speak, something folks wanna attend special, like the SWN's, and that they don't need to have a music player/web addy to listen to. Your idea has merit too, not sure if possible yet though
(10/13 12:28:15) Lynnutte: Not possible yet, but I can dream. lol
(10/13 12:28:23) Lynnutte: i agree. Start with what we have
(10/13 12:28:26) Boogihn f'toogo: wb
(10/13 12:28:44) Thend: Attendance for events creates more attendance, like folks tuning in to and discussing TV show broaadcasts
(10/13 12:28:49) Thend nods his head
(10/13 12:28:55) Lynnutte: True. i never thought of that
(10/13 12:29:03) Marten: Sorry, I'm not managing the wish list  Someone has a log, yes?
(10/13 12:29:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol. the auditorium will need cushy seats
(10/13 12:29:0 Lynnutte: boo is
(10/13 12:29:15) Lynnutte: Recliners
(10/13 12:29:1 Boogihn f'toogo: lol
(10/13 12:29:19) Lial: it is a small group, but Tab-Chat can't be done using the Mac client
(10/13 12:29:22) Lynnutte: And a popcorn machine
(10/13 12:29:2 Lynnutte: Consession stand
(10/13 12:29:33) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lolol
(10/13 12:29:34) Lial: so Mac people can't participate
(10/13 12:29:39) Lynnutte: Awww
(10/13 12:29:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh misses essjay's catering services
(10/13 12:29:54) Lynnutte: Can they still listen?
(10/13 12:29:57) Lial: yes
(10/13 12:29:5 Thend: Lial, that is unfortunate in so many ways
(10/13 12:30:00) Ghaelen D'Lareh: not as listeners?
(10/13 12:30:00) Lynnutte: Ok
(10/13 12:30:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok
(10/13 12:30:07) Thend: Oh, listen still? Alright then
(10/13 12:30:15) Lial: we can listen, but can't speak via voice chat
(10/13 12:30:24) Ghaelen D'Lareh: they could send the file to another person to pipe in
(10/13 12:30:30) Ghaelen D'Lareh: darn, Lial
(10/13 12:30:35) Thend nods his head
(10/13 12:30:49) Lynnutte: you can still type though
(10/13 12:31:00) Lial: yes
(10/13 12:31:0 Lynnutte: i have to do that because my laptop hates cheap microphones
(10/13 12:31:17) Lial: but probably not fast or accurately enough
(10/13 12:31:21) Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 12:31:31) Thend: Practice, practice, practice lol
(10/13 12:31:42) Ghaelen D'Lareh: The Guild of Messengers Presents! "Cavern Radio Theater"
(10/13 12:31:50) Lynnutte: i like that!
(10/13 12:31:50) Thend 's still working on the accuracy part
(10/13 12:32:03) Thend: Exactly ghaelen
(10/13 12:32:22) Ghaelen D'Lareh: too bad it is so close to Halloween
(10/13 12:32:25) Lynnutte: maybe we could get people to create radio plays too
(10/13 12:32:36) Veralun: lol
(10/13 12:32:36) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we could have a haunted hood radio program
(10/13 12:32:41) Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 12:32:49) Lynnutte: i would love a haunted hood
(10/13 12:33:02) Elatine: radio plays of DRC visits would be great for those who don't like to read logs...
(10/13 12:33:02) Thend: Yes. It is all possible. Start small though. Anything that gets too big too fast will burn out and never get done
(10/13 12:33:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh yeah, I agree thend
(10/13 12:33:12) Boogihn f'toogo: agreed
(10/13 12:33:15) Lynnutte: Agreed
(10/13 12:33:20) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and it all takes work and follow-up
(10/13 12:33:23) Lynnutte: But planning ahead is good too
(10/13 12:33:2 Thend nods his head
(10/13 12:33:41) Thend: And imagination
(10/13 12:33:42) Lynnutte reminds herself to take things one at a time
(10/13 12:33:50) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 12:34:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I think there's no shortage of imagination here, lol. Time maybe
(10/13 12:34:21) Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 12:34:30) Boogihn f'toogo: and in my case ability
(10/13 12:34:32) Boogihn f'toogo: lol
(10/13 12:34:43) Lynnutte: You do what you can with what you have
(10/13 12:34:45) Thend: With everything discussed here, it has to be fun, for both those doing it and the audience, and useful, something folks need/want, oh, and free, folks love free stuff
(10/13 12:34:46) Lynnutte: We all do
(10/13 12:34:5 Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 12:35:09) Boogihn f'toogo:
(10/13 12:35:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: just a matter of learning, Boo. There seem to me a lot of teachers here, too
(10/13 12:35:12) Lynnutte: Yes it does
(10/13 12:35:40) Boogihn f'toogo: that donation you mentioned earlier
(10/13 12:35:42) Marten: Ghaelen had a nice thread at MOUL for people to offer what they can do/teach.
(10/13 12:35:4 Veralun: imagination enough here
(10/13 12:35:52) Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 12:35:5 Lynnutte: And that's freee
(10/13 12:36:04) Boogihn f'toogo: i will look at that marten. tanks
(10/13 12:36:06) Boogihn f'toogo: thanks
(10/13 12:36:29) Thend: ghaelen, I wish there were more classes here. So many knowledgey folks with such interesting information, and so many that might not even realize it's out there
(10/13 12:36:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I think there will be Thend
(10/13 12:36:50) Boogihn f'toogo: i agree thend!!!
(10/13 12:36:51) Thend: D'ni History, Language, Numbers, etc, etc, etc
(10/13 12:36:57) Elatine: a learning annex/neighborhood would be great!
(10/13 12:37:02) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes!
(10/13 12:37:03) Lynnutte: i would love a language class
(10/13 12:37:0 Lynnutte: And history
(10/13 12:37:1 Boogihn f'toogo: wasnt there a bevin like that once?
(10/13 12:37:19) Thend: Ian Watson had an awesome class once
(10/13 12:37:22) Marten: Yeah... so many ideas.
(10/13 12:37:24) Veralun: and filming and acting and writing etc
(10/13 12:37:27) Thend: Or twice lol
(10/13 12:37:2 Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 12:37:2 Elatine: Guild of Teachers
(10/13 12:37:34) Boogihn f'toogo: yes!
(10/13 12:37:34) Lynnutte: Good ideas
(10/13 12:37:45) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I think I posted about my dream for learning alcoves in the guild pubs
(10/13 12:37:50) Marten: I had some history class ideas planned too ... the writeups are available FREE!!! to anyone who wants a starting ponit
(10/13 12:37:52) Marten: point
(10/13 12:37:53) ireenquench: I can just tell from my personal experience it tends to drain you if you are not a bigger group supporting each other
(10/13 12:37:59) Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 12:38:01) Boogihn f'toogo: yay
(10/13 12:38:02) Thend: Nice ghaelen
(10/13 12:38:0 Ghaelen D'Lareh: each alcove a place to learn something different
(10/13 12:38:14) Lynnutte: Agreed ireen
(10/13 12:38:16) ireenquench: so network network network
(10/13 12:38:16) Thend: Lol Marten
(10/13 12:38:22) Veralun: agree Ireen
(10/13 12:38:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol@Marten
(10/13 12:38:25) Boogihn f'toogo: very good advice ireen
(10/13 12:38:3 Thend nods to ireen
(10/13 12:38:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I've also learned that if we do something continuously and not more than the size of the group can handle on that day it does grow, even if slowly
(10/13 12:39:06) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 12:39:25) Marten: A big challenge for me is the things I feel most comfortable offering are all positioned outside of the Cavern.
(10/13 12:39:3 Thend: Continually is a good point. Whatever is done should be on a regular schedule, or the momentum is hard to keep going
(10/13 12:39:43) Lynnutte: then you are perfect for sstuff outside the cavern
(10/13 12:39:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: well, coming to gatherings/meetings count, Marten. Ideas count!
(10/13 12:39:55) Thend: Marten, I'm shocked! O.o
(10/13 12:40:01) Lynnutte: Some people like getting info outside the cavern
(10/13 12:40:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yes, like me. I like both
(10/13 12:40:21) Lynnutte: i have no skills to offer outside the cavern
(10/13 12:40:23) Boogihn f'toogo: or eventually marten, you could be the link for getting the outside inside
(10/13 12:40:31) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 12:40:42) Lynnutte: Everyone has something to contribute
(10/13 12:40:50) ireenquench: I understand Marten, Cavern work is harder, mostly due to technical limitations in the Cavern and a bit more time consuming and scheduling oriented, takes more effort
(10/13 12:40:51) Ghaelen D'Lareh: to me the immersion continues on the forums, in the podcasts, vidcasts, chats, emails, etc
(10/13 12:40:55) Thend: Thing is, subscription-wise, forums are only a smaller piece, In-Cavern is what matters and what is being looked at. A chance in perception of folks is very crucial
(10/13 12:41:01) Veralun: that makes the GOM so unique
(10/13 12:41:05) Marten: I do have an idea for an external resource.
(10/13 12:41:17) Thend: change*
(10/13 12:41:17) Lynnutte: What is it?
(10/13 12:41:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: do tell!
(10/13 12:41:3 Boogihn f'toogo: i so agree with you thend!
(10/13 12:41:45) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 12:42:13) Lynnutte: but outside sources will keep people involved who can not get in the cavern. Like if they are at work. lol
(10/13 12:42:15) Thend: We need new folks, and to keep the 'old' ones, can't avoid it
(10/13 12:42:27) Marten: Does anyone remember the "go.to" "jump.to" "link.to" type service? It allowed a person to create a website name, like 'go.to/uru" and it worked as a shorthand to link you to a website, such as www.mystonline.com.
(10/13 12:42:40) Thend: Understood, Lynnutte
(10/13 12:42:49) Lynnutte: i've never heard of it.
(10/13 12:42:53) Thend shakes his head
(10/13 12:42:54) Boogihn f'toogo: me either.
(10/13 12:43:00) Veralun: yes I know Marten
(10/13 12:43:57) Marten: My idea was to create a service like that for Uru, and combine it with a directory.
(10/13 12:43:57) ireenquench: not sure what you mean
(10/13 12:44:06) Lynnutte: i like that idea
(10/13 12:44:1 Lynnutte: That would give everyone one place to see what is available
(10/13 12:44:24) Lial: how would it work? I am not familiar with it
(10/13 12:44:35) Veralun: so you mean to make your own "site " and link to whatever?
(10/13 12:44:37) Marten: If you went to the "root" website, you'd get a directory. Something like mystembassy's nexus but organized a little more nicely.
(10/13 12:45:00) Marten: But if you appended a name, it might act as a forwarding system to another website.
(10/13 12:45:01) Thend: Lynnutte and Marten, one place with a lot of links to everything, yes
(10/13 12:45:1 Marten: I've had a specific domain name under my eye for a while. It's still available.
(10/13 12:45:25) Marten: http://rel.to/
(10/13 12:45:34) ireenquench laughs
(10/13 12:45:34) Lynnutte: lol I like it!
(10/13 12:45:36) Lial: lol
(10/13 12:45:40) Boogihn f'toogo: i love it!
(10/13 12:45:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol you should register that
(10/13 12:45:41) Elatine nods her head
(10/13 12:45:47) Marten: So a person could go to rel.to/uru and it would take them to mystonline.com
(10/13 12:46:05) Marten: Or rel.to/messengers, or rel.to/gome, and either would link to the messengers website
(10/13 12:46:06) Lynnutte: i say go for it Marten. It's a good idea
(10/13 12:46:22) ireenquench: sounds cool
(10/13 12:46:29) Marten: rel.to/writers to the writers website... rel.to/drc to the drc site...
(10/13 12:46:41) Boogihn f'toogo thinks it is great....nice and simple.....
(10/13 12:46:44) Thend: Marten, how does this differ from just clicking on a shiny colorful link on a central database website?
(10/13 12:47:02) Marten: It would also provide that. If you just go to rel.to, you'd get a directory.
(10/13 12:47:13) Lynnutte: we could add it to one of the news letters to get the word out about it.
(10/13 12:47:23) Boogihn f'toogo: it means you only have to remember one address
(10/13 12:47:24) Lynnutte: After you have it ready of course
(10/13 12:47:26) ireenquench: I gotta go, starting the party stuff and I need to relog and focus on buggy KI, ride the KI like a bull etc
(10/13 12:47:27) Marten: The benefit for others is if they want a short URL for their site, this is about as short as you need.
(10/13 12:47:34) Lynnutte: bye Ireen
(10/13 12:47:37) Thend is confused by the addy tech-speak, but he gets confused easily
(10/13 12:47:41) ireenquench waves goodbye
(10/13 12:47:46) Boogihn f'toogo: bye ireen
(10/13 12:47:46) Thend: Seeya ireen
(10/13 12:47:47) Veralun: bye
(10/13 12:47:47) Marten: KI messages directing people to the guild of greeters could say 'rel.to/gog' for example.
(10/13 12:47:4 Ghaelen D'Lareh: bye Ireen!
(10/13 12:47:50) Elatine: bye ireen
(10/13 12:47:50) Boogihn f'toogo: thanks
(10/13 12:48:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: that is a great idea Marten
(10/13 12:49:07) Marten: OK. I will talk to some people about pulling together the resources to make this happen then.
(10/13 12:49:24) Lynnutte: let me know when you have it up.
(10/13 12:49:25) Lial: what are the costs associated with running a service like that?
(10/13 12:49:30) Lynnutte: then we can advertise it
(10/13 12:49:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we can make the addys part of the KI mails the criers send
(10/13 12:49:41) Lial: are they nominal - would you have to ask for contributions?
(10/13 12:49:49) Lynnutte: Good idea Ghaelen
(10/13 12:50:00) Marten: If I find the right people, FREE!!!  ... forwarding is very little bandwidth. It wouldn't be hosting videos or anything.
(10/13 12:50:05) Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 12:50:13) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 12:50:13) Veralun: subdomains is free
(10/13 12:50:17) Lynnutte: We like Free
(10/13 12:50:26) Marten: The top level domain is $50 per year.
(10/13 12:50:43) Ghaelen D'Lareh: for the name or the hosting?
(10/13 12:50:4 Veralun: www.v3.com
(10/13 12:50:49) Marten: Just for the name, "rel.to"
(10/13 12:50:57) Thend: Unless we use a Central database as the only addy in the KImails for simplicity's sake, then folks would click on GoG's or whatever link when they got there, I'd say Marten's idea has merit
(10/13 12:51:09) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, because of the way it works, Marten?
(10/13 12:51:11) Lynnutte: i do too
(10/13 12:51:14) Marten: Veralun: tonic.to is the registrar.
(10/13 12:51:23) Lynnutte: that would give them access to everything
(10/13 12:51:27) Veralun: ok
(10/13 12:51:33) Boogihn f'toogo: i think it is a great idea ....
(10/13 12:51:47) Marten: Ghaelen, just as 'caverncommunicationsnetwork.com' the name has to be registered and paid, so do .to domains... but .to charges a bit more than .com.
(10/13 12:51:49) Boogihn f'toogo: i would contribute to the shipping costs lol
(10/13 12:52:02) Lynnutte: Lol
(10/13 12:52:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, I get it Marten
(10/13 12:52:30) Marten: But I can handle the domain registration. I'll need to pick someone as a secondary in case something ever happened to me.
(10/13 12:52:40) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 12:52:40) Thend gasps
(10/13 12:52:42) Lynnutte: But not me
(10/13 12:52:49) Boogihn f'toogo backs out of the room really fast
(10/13 12:52:53) Marten: I'll probably talk to Tweek.
(10/13 12:52:5 Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 12:52:5 Lynnutte: K
(10/13 12:53:24) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and I can help if you need, Marten.
(10/13 12:53:52) Marten: Noted.
(10/13 12:54:06) Ghaelen D'Lareh: shall I post a pic of our gathering on the imager?
(10/13 12:54:10) Lynnutte: Sure
(10/13 12:55:24) Lynnutte: is there anything else we need to discuss?
(10/13 12:55:25) Thend: Btw, ireen had this notion she talked to alahmat & Tweek, a database of all chatlogs eva, searchable in every way possible, timed and dated, etc. Some mentions of it maybe being possible to add to existing sites, but nothing conclusive, so re-mentioning here as I think it's a top idea to at least think about
(10/13 12:56:31) Boogihn f'toogo: is that separate from the archivists or part of it?
(10/13 12:56:52) Veralun: I think part of it
(10/13 12:57:1 Marten: I know Tweek is working on a chat log archive.
(10/13 12:57:34) Thend: It can be whatever, Googihn, just I think with that sort of information, communication of ideas would be far easier, etc
(10/13 12:57:35) Lynnutte: That is a great idea
(10/13 12:57:59) Boogihn f'toogo: oh i agree
(10/13 12:58:16) Boogihn f'toogo: i just hate duplication of efforts.... lol
(10/13 12:58:21) Lynnutte: me too
(10/13 12:58:30) Thend: Yes Marten, not sure how exactly his or alahmats things fit the bill, this would be pretty all-encompassingly focused, but if it gets dione, whatever is fine
(10/13 12:58:30) Lynnutte: waste of energy and time
(10/13 12:58:30) Boogihn f'toogo: thought if it was different...maybe they could work together....
(10/13 12:58:31) Ghaelen D'Lareh: right
(10/13 12:58:33) Veralun: yes a lot of info is already existing
(10/13 12:58:57) Thend: ireen has been in discussion with them
(10/13 12:59:03) Veralun: just need to combine all those info and skills
(10/13 12:59:11) Thend nods his head
(10/13 13:00:2 Lynnutte: Hi Kalypso
(10/13 13:00:29) Kalypso: Hello
(Everyone says hi to kalypso)
(10/13 13:05:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: so we just need to sign up for the crier role and maybe start a schedule
(10/13 13:05:22) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I can do a shift
(10/13 13:05:36) Kalypso: So do I
(10/13 13:05:49) Boogihn f'toogo: mme too
(10/13 13:05:59) Elatine: I can take one, as well
(10/13 13:06:00) Thend cries freelance
(10/13 13:06:07) Boogihn f'toogo:
(10/13 13:06:13) Kalypso: And maybe try to recruit other peopel while on crier mode?
(10/13 13:06:15) Boogihn f'toogo: you are one of the main contributors
(10/13 13:06:17) Veralun: can do too
(10/13 13:06:39) Veralun: will be half Dutch/English
(10/13 13:06:40) Veralun: lol
(10/13 13:07:24) Veralun: which brings me to the idea to do one in German and maybe another language
(10/13 13:07:32) Thend nods his head
(10/13 13:07:3 Boogihn f'toogo: that is a great idea!
(10/13 13:07:40) Ghaelen D'Lareh: great idea Veralun
(10/13 13:08:09) Veralun: translaters enough to find on the forum
(10/13 13:08:37) Marten: [Domain name registered]
(10/13 13:08:44) Veralun: wow
(10/13 13:08:44) Boogihn f'toogo: yippee!!!
(10/13 13:08:45) Elatine: yay!
(10/13 13:08:59) Thend smiles at Marten
(10/13 13:09:00) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we'll start a thread on the MOUL forum too, but for now, who would like to sign up? Names and KI#'s OK?
(10/13 13:09:0 Ghaelen D'Lareh: yay, Marten!
(10/13 13:11:37) Boogihn f'toogo: i believe everyone but Marten and Thend volunteered that are here right now
(10/13 13:11:47) Elatine: I'd like to be added, please!
(10/13 13:11:51) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok
(10/13 13:12:07) Marten: Alas, I don't think I'll have time for this particular item.
(10/13 13:12:09) Boogihn f'toogo: and they volunteered for a ton of other stuff
(10/13 13:12:12) Veralun: yes
(10/13 13:12:55) Boogihn f'toogo: actually Marten and Thend, if you did this too, then i wouldnt have anything to do
(10/13 13:12:57) Boogihn f'toogo: lol
(10/13 13:12:59) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol, Kalypso?
(10/13 13:13:10) Thend: Wb Lynutte. Thank Yahvo. It was sheer chaos while you were gone
(10/13 13:13:1 Ghaelen D'Lareh: lolol
(10/13 13:13:1 Boogihn f'toogo: lol
(10/13 13:13:20) Elatine giggles
(10/13 13:13:23) Thend: Lol Boogihn
(10/13 13:13:27) Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 13:13:41) Lynnutte: I want the Cavern Crier list please
(10/13 13:14:13) Boogihn f'toogo: Elatine, Veralun, Ghaelen, Boo
(10/13 13:14:27) Ghaelen D'Lareh: Marten, Thend, do you want the list?

(10/13 13:14:29) Thend: Lynutte, Marten established a domain, the Crier list is being distributed, uhm, and other stuff
(10/13 13:14:50) Thend: Sure Ghaelen, for reference, etc
(10/13 13:15:20) Lynnutte: I will create a new avie for cavern crier
(10/13 13:15:26) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok
(10/13 13:15:27) Thend: Thanks
(10/13 13:15:27) Boogihn f'toogo: me too
(10/13 13:15:37) Lynnutte: should we make a cavern crier bevin?
(10/13 13:15:52) Lynnutte: and put all news letters on the imager?
(10/13 13:16:15) Thend thinks one cannot have too many avvies *goes into Relto Closet* - 'Who shall I be today?'
(10/13 13:16:23) Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 13:16:24) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I actually have a criar avie I could use and she could join a new hood...
(10/13 13:16:2 Lynnutte: That's how I feel thend
(10/13 13:16:31) Boogihn f'toogo: rofl @Thend
(10/13 13:16:31) From Veralun: same here Thend
(10/13 13:16:36) From Veralun: oops
(10/13 13:16:43) Lynnutte: ok. I'll creat the hood after this meeting
(10/13 13:16:46) Veralun: same here Thend
(10/13 13:16:47) Elatine: will we be called criers or messengers?
(10/13 13:17:01) Lynnutte: Cavern messengers?
(10/13 13:17:03) Boogihn f'toogo: ohhhhhh
(10/13 13:17:05) Thend: Criers, I'd imagine, like Relayers, and Moderators
(10/13 13:17:14) Lynnutte: Cavern Messengers? or Cavern Criers
(10/13 13:17:23) Boogihn f'toogo: i like Cavern Criers
(10/13 13:17:24) Lynnutte: Criers looks better to me
(10/13 13:17:31) Elatine: we just want the role to be obvious from the name
(10/13 13:17:39) Thend: And simple to type, I mean say
(10/13 13:17:39) Lynnutte: Since we are all messengers in some way
(10/13 13:17:50) Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 13:17:54) Boogihn f'toogo: and because of that
(10/13 13:18:01) Boogihn f'toogo: we might cause confusion....
(10/13 13:18:05) Lynnutte: Cavern News Criers?
(10/13 13:18:06) Boogihn f'toogo: too many messengers...
(10/13 13:18:23) Lynnutte: Cavern Paperboys?
(10/13 13:18:27) Thend: Just Criers, or Cavern Criers if one is being uber-technical lol
(10/13 13:18:27) Boogihn f'toogo: haha
(10/13 13:18:29) Lynnutte: I mean people
(10/13 13:18:37) Thend: Lol Lynnutte
(10/13 13:18:44) Boogihn f'toogo: i like Cavern Criers..... simple and to the point
(10/13 13:18:4 Thend: Cavern Paperpeoples
(10/13 13:18:51) Boogihn f'toogo: haha
(10/13 13:18:56) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I like Cavern Criers
(10/13 13:19:10) Lynnutte: I like Cavern Criers. Can put [Crier] infront of the avie name if you want
(10/13 13:19:21) Boogihn f'toogo: yes, that sounds good
(10/13 13:19:39) Boogihn f'toogo: i have a dumb question
(10/13 13:19:46) Lynnutte: no such thing Boo
(10/13 13:19:47) Veralun: I think I will need an extra account for Uru Live
(10/13 13:19:52) Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 13:19:55) Lynnutte: What Boo
(10/13 13:20:06) Thend: Folks will probably expect a Crier to be able to fill them in on the news, or other information, too, maybe not just what they are currently crying about, btw
(10/13 13:20:07) Boogihn f'toogo: when i make this avi....does it need to have Boogihn as the name or can i have another name
(10/13 13:20:11) Ghaelen D'Lareh: with more sub-accounts
(10/13 13:20:24) Lynnutte: Yolu can use whatever name you want
(10/13 13:20:29) Boogihn f'toogo:
(10/13 13:20:31) Ghaelen D'Lareh: it can be any name
(10/13 13:20:33) Veralun: we do not have subaccounts official Ghaelen
(10/13 13:20:34) Lynnutte: ust let me know it's you please
(10/13 13:20:35) Thend: Except Thend, that's taken
(10/13 13:20:37) Lynnutte: i get confused
(10/13 13:20:39) Ghaelen D'Lareh: awwww
(10/13 13:20:46) Boogihn f'toogo: lol np
(10/13 13:20:49) Marten chuckles
(10/13 13:20:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: protest, veralun!
(10/13 13:20:57) Veralun: yes
(10/13 13:21:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol@Thend
(10/13 13:22:46) Boogihn f'toogo: to get back to Thend's point, what do you suggest, Thend.... maybe we should read up on the news forums or ....?
(10/13 13:23:0 Boogihn f'toogo: to make sure we are up to speed?
(10/13 13:23:09) Lynnutte: Well, if Thend is giving us the updates in his newsletter....
(10/13 13:23:33) Thend: Well, stay informed Boogihn, maintain a good network, the stuff we wanna encourage EVERYone to do along with any information we can provide folks
(10/13 13:23:34) Lynnutte: he could keep us up to date
(10/13 13:23:45) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 13:23:4 Ghaelen D'Lareh: wow, I hope I don't have to know all the Cavern news as well as all the surface news, both virtual and in real life... ack
(10/13 13:24:02) Lynnutte: that would be a bit much
(10/13 13:24:06) Boogihn f'toogo: oh... like be able to answer questions about happenings or the cavern itself...
(10/13 13:24:0 Ghaelen D'Lareh falls over
(10/13 13:24:30) Veralun helps Ghaelen
(10/13 13:24:36) Thend: Uhm, you can leave out Surface news (except Uru stuff, of course) thank you very much lol
(10/13 13:24:41) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 13:24:53) Lynnutte: Cavern news only. I like that
(10/13 13:24:5 Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, good
(10/13 13:25:01) Lynnutte: makes less work. lol
(10/13 13:25:19) Thend: Remember we can direct folks to Greeters, Beginners, the Notebooks found in the Cavern, etc, too
(10/13 13:25:31) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 13:25:35) Boogihn f'toogo: excellent point!
(10/13 13:25:40) Thend: It will strengthen everyone's networks/organizations
(10/13 13:25:43) Boogihn f'toogo: yes
(10/13 13:25:47) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok, I think we should start a thread on the MOUL forum for people to sign up for the Criers, and I'll add them to the people resources list.
(10/13 13:26:05) Ghaelen D'Lareh: We can do a thread for the schedule that is editable, maybe?
(10/13 13:26:05) Lynnutte: If people want help with puzzles, we should also steer them to the helping bevins
(10/13 13:26:10) Boogihn f'toogo: one more question.....
(10/13 13:26:1 Ghaelen D'Lareh: k
(10/13 13:26:24) Thend nods his head
(10/13 13:26:2 Lynnutte: Ghalen, do you want to handle that?
(10/13 13:26:33) Boogihn f'toogo: are the Criers only for the episode week?
(10/13 13:26:36) Ghaelen D'Lareh: the schedule thread?
(10/13 13:26:37) Lynnutte: The thread?
(10/13 13:26:41) Lynnutte: yes
(10/13 13:26:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok
(10/13 13:26:53) Boogihn f'toogo: or ongoing?
(10/13 13:27:00) Ghaelen D'Lareh: then I can compile the KImail with names and ki numbers, too
(10/13 13:27:04) Lynnutte: on going
(10/13 13:27:10) Thend: Awesome
(10/13 13:27:10) Ghaelen D'Lareh: on going in my mind
(10/13 13:27:11) Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 13:27:11) Boogihn f'toogo: cool!
(10/13 13:27:40) Boogihn f'toogo: so we could have a set schedule eventually....
(10/13 13:27:44) Ghaelen D'Lareh: for example, I can be in the cavern, in a spot for two hours every Monday from I don't know noon to 2pm KItime
(10/13 13:27:4 Lynnutte: eventually
(10/13 13:27:55) Boogihn f'toogo: very good
(10/13 13:28:03) Ghaelen D'Lareh: something like that
(10/13 13:28:15) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and I'll stand there, wave, chat, and send KImails out
(10/13 13:28:19) Lynnutte: yes
(10/13 13:28:42) Boogihn f'toogo: i am really excited about this
(10/13 13:28:45) Lynnutte: We do need to get dedicated people for this
(10/13 13:28:45) Ghaelen D'Lareh: does someone want to make a Cavern Crier Hood?
(10/13 13:28:47) Thend will wave back and smile and stuff
(10/13 13:28:53) Boogihn f'toogo: i will
(10/13 13:28:56) Lynnutte: I will after the meeting
(10/13 13:28:56) Ghaelen D'Lareh roars with laughter
(10/13 13:29:00) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok
(10/13 13:29:02) Boogihn f'toogo: ok....lynn can
(10/13 13:29:02) Veralun: do we dress ourselves special as crier?
(10/13 13:29:12) Ghaelen D'Lareh: messenger shirts?
(10/13 13:29:12) Lynnutte: Wear messengers shirts
(10/13 13:29:17) Veralun: sure
(10/13 13:29:1 Elatine: yes
(10/13 13:29:21) Boogihn f'toogo: hmmm
(10/13 13:29:23) Veralun: and high hats?
(10/13 13:29:25) Lynnutte: that will help i think
(10/13 13:29:2 Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 13:29:2 Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 13:29:29) Thend: And St Patricks Hats
(10/13 13:29:30) Lynnutte: no hats
(10/13 13:29:31) Ghaelen D'Lareh: and wings
(10/13 13:29:34) Veralun: yeah
(10/13 13:29:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh
(10/13 13:29:37) Thend: And wings, yes
(10/13 13:29:37) Lynnutte: I look awful in hats
(10/13 13:29:39) Ghaelen D'Lareh: no hats?
(10/13 13:29:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 13:29:41) Marten: /facepalm

(10/13 13:29:44) Boogihn f'toogo: we need something to set us apart....
(10/13 13:29:44) Lynnutte: I like the wings though
(10/13 13:29:55) Marten: What's wrong with the messenger shirts?
(10/13 13:29:56) Thend: Wait, our closet has wings?
(10/13 13:29:56) Boogihn f'toogo: there will be lots of people with messenger tees on
(10/13 13:30:01) Lynnutte: we could wear hats if everyone wants too
(10/13 13:30:07) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I thought I saw wings one time
(10/13 13:30:11) Boogihn f'toogo: just something to set us apart....
(10/13 13:30:11) Lynnutte: with messengers shirts
(10/13 13:30:19) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I like the hats idea
(10/13 13:30:22) Boogihn f'toogo: good
(10/13 13:30:24) Ghaelen D'Lareh: now... which hat?
(10/13 13:30:26) Marten: I'm keeping my Yeesha shirt for now.
(10/13 13:30:30) Lynnutte: messengers shirts with yellow hats?
(10/13 13:30:35) Ghaelen D'Lareh: are you signing up, Marten?
(10/13 13:30:40) Marten: Nope.
(10/13 13:30:41) Boogihn f'toogo: sure!
(10/13 13:30:44) Veralun: yellow st Patricks hats
(10/13 13:30:49) Lynnutte: that's fine Marent. This is for Cavern criers
(10/13 13:30:50) Ghaelen D'Lareh: well then... lol
(10/13 13:30:51) Boogihn f'toogo: i dont have a ptty hat
(10/13 13:31:01) Elatine: no do I
(10/13 13:31:01) Marten: Oh. Thought you were getting ready to hit the other meeting!
(10/13 13:31:03) Thend notes he was seriously kidding about St Patrick's Hats
(10/13 13:31:13) Veralun: or Christmas hats
(10/13 13:31:14) Lynnutte: Yellow ball hat?
(10/13 13:31:17) Thend nods his head
(10/13 13:31:19) Boogihn f'toogo: i dont want to wear that kind....
(10/13 13:31:20) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh, no the work costume is for "crying"
(10/13 13:31:20) Lynnutte: baseball het
(10/13 13:31:30) Boogihn f'toogo: ugh
(10/13 13:31:34) Lynnutte: everyone has the baseball hat
(10/13 13:31:43) Ghaelen D'Lareh: hmmm
(10/13 13:31:44) Elatine: messenger shirt and yellow ball cap?
(10/13 13:31:4 Lynnutte nods her head
(10/13 13:31:53) Elatine: okei dokie
(10/13 13:31:56) Thend: Sounds fashionavle
(10/13 13:31:59) Boogihn f'toogo passes out the chaw
(10/13 13:32:01) Lynnutte: lol
(10/13 13:32:04) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 13:32:04) Thend: Lol
(10/13 13:32:09) Ghaelen D'Lareh: we need to request wings
(10/13 13:32:14) Ghaelen D'Lareh: or a hat with wings
(10/13 13:32:20) Boogihn f'toogo: that is cool
(10/13 13:32:23) Thend: Or boots with wings
(10/13 13:32:23) Lynnutte: winged hats
(10/13 13:32:2 Lynnutte: and boots
(10/13 13:32:30) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh! boots!
(10/13 13:32:33) Thend: Heck, we need a whole Flash costume
(10/13 13:32:33) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yeah that
(10/13 13:32:35) Lynnutte: I like that idea
(10/13 13:32:36) Boogihn f'toogo: yes.... boots
(10/13 13:32:42) Ghaelen D'Lareh: not flash, tho
(10/13 13:32:43) Lynnutte roars with laughter
(10/13 13:32:44) Veralun: pink?
(10/13 13:32:4 Boogihn f'toogo: dont go overboard!!!
(10/13 13:32:50) Thend cringes
(10/13 13:32:51) Ghaelen D'Lareh: pink, lol
(10/13 13:33:05) Ghaelen D'Lareh: yeah, why not pink? Looks better on me than yellow
(10/13 13:33:15) Boogihn f'toogo: shall i go get dressed and comeback for approval?
(10/13 13:33:23) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol
(10/13 13:33:24) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok
(10/13 13:33:26) Boogihn f'toogo: pink conflicts with the maintainers.
(10/13 13:33:29) Lynnutte: lol we can meet in the bevin
(10/13 13:33:32) Thend: Let's say the Maintainers have the monopoly on opink and leave it at that
(10/13 13:33:34) Lynnutte: I'll go make it now
(10/13 13:33:34) Veralun: yellow shirts and pink boots... fantastic combination
(10/13 13:33:41) Ghaelen D'Lareh: who is making the bevin?
(10/13 13:33:45) Lynnutte: I am
(10/13 13:33:4 Thend: Lol Veralun
(10/13 13:33:50) Lynnutte: Cavern Crier
(10/13 13:33:51) Ghaelen D'Lareh: lol@Veralun
(10/13 13:33:55) Ghaelen D'Lareh: ok
(10/13 13:34:00) Boogihn f'toogo: ok i will meet yall in the bevin....
(10/13 13:34:00) Lynnutte: brb
(10/13 13:34:01) Thend: Well, you'd stand out alright
(10/13 13:34:03) Lynnutte: kk
(10/13 13:34:06) Thend nods his head
(10/13 13:34:10) Boogihn f'toogo: does this mean the meeting is over?
(10/13 13:34:15) Boogihn f'toogo: or moving to the bevin?
(10/13 13:34:16) Ghaelen D'Lareh: then I'll come back with my Crier avie and join that hood. Back here?
(10/13 13:34:25) Thend: Lynnutte has left the building!
(10/13 13:34:30) Ghaelen D'Lareh: oh no!
(10/13 13:34:31) Boogihn f'toogo: i saw that!
(10/13 13:34:35) Marten: OK. I have to swap which avie is on which computer. I can't do Minkata on my laptop with peeps there.
(10/13 13:34:3 Marten: *ta*
(10/13 13:34:43) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I'll be back right quick
(10/13 13:34:4 Boogihn f'toogo: here?
(10/13 13:34:49) Ghaelen D'Lareh: I'll come back here
(10/13 13:34:51) Boogihn f'toogo: ok
(10/13 13:34:52) Thend: Gotcha Marten, I'm swinging y there later too
(10/13 13:34:54) Veralun: k
(10/13 13:35:01) Boogihn f'toogo: cya in a minute
(10/13 13:35:31) Thend jockies for a better point-of-view position while everyone's changing
(10/13 13:36:46) ...Chat.log stopped.

 

 

 

2007, September 16th Chatlog: 2nd Pre-GoMe Meeting

Origional forum thread can be found here: http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12624

(09/16 01:06:00) Relayer Corps: I hope after this meeting, we will all have a better understanding as where we each stand on the Guild of Messengers issue.
(09/16 01:06:46) Relayer Corps: First, I need to know who is moderating tonight?
(09/16 01:06:51) [Moderator]moirajane: I am
(09/16 01:06:56) Relayer Corps: ok. Ty MJ
(09/16 01:06:56) [Moderator]moirajane: and Lfus
(09/16 01:07:16) Relayer Corps: Who do we send "question" to?
(09/16 01:07:17) [Moderator]Zedra: I'm just a backup, he he
(09/16 01:07:23) Relayer Corps: lol thanks Z
(09/16 01:08:06) Old Watashi Thinks GoM should hire Relayers as consultants
(09/16 01:08:13) Relayer Corps: rofl
(09/16 01:08:26) Lady Chaos thought that was understood.
(09/16 01:08:27) Relayer Corps: MJ? Are you keeping the question list?
(09/16 01:08:32) [Moderator] Lfus: Moirajane will be taking the pm with the word question and I will be announcing that bad when your turn is
(09/16 01:08:38) Relayer Corps: At this point, nothing is understood
(09/16 01:08:45) Relayer Corps: kk ty
(09/16 01:09:22) Relayer Corps: I want to start this meeting out by giving everyone a chance to voice what they would like to see the GOM become
(09/16 01:09:43) [Moderator] Lfus: If you have a question, plese pm moirajane with the word question, and this will get you in the que
(09/16 01:09:47) Relayer Corps: I want everyone to have a chance to explain without interuption.
(09/16 01:10:09) Ruby O'Degee: Oops
(09/16 01:10:09) Relayer Corps: After they are done explaining, we will open for questions or comments.
(09/16 01:10:28) Sam Byard: not really a question.. who will speak ? :S
(09/16 01:10:34) Sam Byard: in what order..
(09/16 01:10:49) Relayer Corps: I will start at the top of my list.
(09/16 01:10:57) Relayer Corps: That means, Ruby is up first.
(09/16 01:11:01) [Relayer] Kerryth: How do we get a turn to give our vision of the GoM? Same way?
(09/16 01:11:13) Relayer Corps: I will call everyone in turn
(09/16 01:11:25) Ruby O'Degee: why me?
(09/16 01:11:31) Thend: lol
(09/16 01:11:41) Relayer Corps: You are at the top of my list.
(09/16 01:11:43) Ruby O'Degee: r is after a
(09/16 01:11:47) Relayer Corps: Age playwers chat list. lol
(09/16 01:11:48) d'ni everything: eep
(09/16 01:11:51) Ruby O'Degee: Oh, ok then
(09/16 01:12:02) Relayer Corps: lol sorry I didn't explain that very well
(09/16 01:12:24) Ruby O'Degee: i would like to suggest that everyone who is interested be allowed to join the GOM, we will need everyone we can get to get out the news
(09/16 01:13:37) [KrYaXx]: Guild of Maintaners right?
(09/16 01:13:52) Sam Byard: this meeting is for the guild of messengers
(09/16 01:14:00) [KrYaXx]: ooo
(09/16 01:14:02) [KrYaXx]: ty
(09/16 01:14:16) d'ni everything: O-o
(09/16 01:14:59) Relayer Corps: Ruby, if you could let us know when your done please.
(09/16 01:15:11) Relayer Corps: Then we will know when to open for questions
(09/16 01:15:38) Ruby O'Degee: oh gosh, right now that is all I have to say. It is a lot along with I don't think we need a council
(09/16 01:15:52) [Moderator] Lfus: Lady Chaos is up
(09/16 01:15:58) Sonseeharay: i think you should turn your relayer corps into the messenger guild as you already habve many members and that could be jsut one part of the guild
(09/16 01:16:02) d'ni everything claps her hands
(09/16 01:16:12) [Moderator] Lfus: (Please have your questions pretyed in)
(09/16 01:16:26) [KrYaXx]: have alist of all guild abrivations so one will learn the guild abrivations faster
(09/16 01:16:56) Relayer Corps: ok, can we keep the questions limited to what Ruby had to say for now please.
(09/16 01:17:09) ireenquench is confused as to why we should do the question thing yet, arent we still collecting?
(09/16 01:17:35) [Moderator] Lfus: Who has a question for Ruby, plese pm moirajane with the word question
(09/16 01:17:39) Relayer Corps: I would like questions and comments on what the current speaker has to say. There will be time at the end of the meeting for any last comments.
(09/16 01:18:10) Relayer Corps: MJ, if you get none, please let me know and I will call the next speaker
(09/16 01:18:17) [Moderator] Lfus: Sorry about the confusion...
(09/16 01:18:39) [Moderator]moirajane: No one has questions for Ruby
(09/16 01:18:41) [Moderator] Lfus: If you have a question for Ruby please PM Moirajane with the word Question...
(09/16 01:18:50) Sam Byard: Ok Ruby, you are saying that all the exploreres will take part in delivering news as part of the Guild of messengers ? where does that leave all the organisations that are already giving out news ? if the guild of messengers has anyone and everyone giving out their own news as an "official guild of messengers" then I forsee all organisations getting the boot, how do you counter this ?
(09/16 01:19:45) Ruby O'Degee: the orgs won't get any boot. They will do what theu always do
(09/16 01:20:25) Ruby O'Degee: They good reporters will report, and the not so good will find something else to do
(09/16 01:20:37) [Moderator] Lfus: Sam Byard you may have a follow up question
(09/16 01:20:50) Ruby O'Degee: But the gom will need every able bodied explorer
(09/16 01:21:06) Sam Byard: Ok, but if they dont have that "guild of messengers " official stamp on, how will they ever retain any official capacity, they will not have the newer explorers listening and reading their reports as they will go to the "official" source
(09/16 01:21:14) [Moderator] Lfus: Please have your questions pretyped in
(09/16 01:21:20) Ruby O'Degee: Why does ruby keep standing up? I don't wnat her to stand
(09/16 01:21:41) [Moderator]Zedra: rofl
(09/16 01:22:27) [Moderator] Lfus: D-Mom its your turn
(09/16 01:22:35) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Ruby, how do you envision what the Guild will be or should I say, do you see any structure at all to it? How will the various explorers or organizations be able to work together successfully - do you have a model for that?
(09/16 01:22:36) Sam Byard: ruby didn't answer
(09/16 01:23:00) Sam Byard: can i have my answer first :S :)
(09/16 01:23:12) [Relayer]DMom_2000: sorry....
(09/16 01:23:25) [Moderator] Lfus: yes... Sam.. D-Mom's question will be answered after yours
(09/16 01:23:47) Sam Byard: confusing :) i'll trust you
(09/16 01:24:12) Ruby O'Degee: i would give you a long answer but I am having lag issues when I try to type my pontifications
(09/16 01:24:31) Sam Byard: maybe the game is telling you something....
(09/16 01:24:32) Relayer Corps: DMom? Your question please?
(09/16 01:24:45) Lady Chaos: That was uncalled for, Sam.
(09/16 01:24:46) [Relayer]DMom_2000: uh.....do I have to retype that?
(09/16 01:24:54) Old Watashi: lol
(09/16 01:25:02) Sam Byard: I'll hold my tongue
(09/16 01:25:04) Ruby O'Degee: i thought it was kind of funny, but yes silly
(09/16 01:25:08) [Relayer]DMom_2000: well, also no one is required to answer either.......
(09/16 01:25:12) Ruby O'Degee: Now back to decorum
(09/16 01:25:23) Ruby O'Degee: gavel down
(09/16 01:25:27) d'ni everything clears throat
(09/16 01:25:49) Relayer Corps: DMom? What was your question?
(09/16 01:25:53) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Ruby, how do you envision what the Guild will be or should I say, do you see any structure at all to it?
(09/16 01:26:21) [Moderator] Lfus: [KrYaXx] you are up after D-Mom
(09/16 01:26:23) Ruby O'Degee: yes, I do see structure,once there is membership
(09/16 01:26:35) Ruby O'Degee: But now there is no members to speak of
(09/16 01:26:40) Ruby O'Degee: Only supporters
(09/16 01:26:47) [Relayer]DMom_2000: How will the various explorers or organizations be able to work together successfully - do you have a model for that?
(09/16 01:26:51) Ruby O'Degee: And even the supporters could start
(09/16 01:27:08) Ruby O'Degee: But every interested supporter should be allowed to participatge
(09/16 01:27:40) Ruby O'Degee: No, I have no chart. I will wait to see leadership. The leaderswill decided
(09/16 01:28:00) Ruby O'Degee: I want to support good leadership when the time is right
(09/16 01:28:04) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Oh, I am not looking at a chart! I mean how will leadership be decided in your mind?
(09/16 01:28:47) Ruby O'Degee: after the membership is determined the members will know who is doing the work and guiding
(09/16 01:29:04) [Relayer]DMom_2000 thanks you very much!
(09/16 01:29:07) [Moderator]Zedra: Please say 'Next" when you are finished answering a question. Thank you.
(09/16 01:29:10) Ruby O'Degee: I just want to be a member, and may others do too
(09/16 01:29:13) Ruby O'Degee: oops
(09/16 01:29:16) Ruby O'Degee: sorry
(09/16 01:29:19) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(09/16 01:29:36) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I am done if Ruby is...
(09/16 01:29:44) [Moderator] Lfus: [XryaXx] your question please.
(09/16 01:29:50) [KrYaXx]: have the guild of relayers do what they are doing going to each bevin etc, and the guild of messangers are the scouts and reporters of not only news but personal messages taken back a forth, both operating as one. OR have DRC somehow put in like a RSS feed for guild announcments and news from the messangers guild, this could be turned on or off . there is going to have to be a special KI made or a New face plate for it, that will enable your guilds tools and personal chat with only other
(09/16 01:29:53) [KrYaXx]: guild members
(09/16 01:30:29) Sam Byard: isn't that more of an open question to everyone LS
(09/16 01:30:32) Relayer Corps: Kr, do you have a question for Ruby?
(09/16 01:30:34) Sam Byard: :S
(09/16 01:30:38) [Moderator] Lfus: (Relayer Corps your next after [KrYaXx]
(09/16 01:31:46) Relayer Corps: What you said implies that there would only be reporters. What would happen to those of us that do not report traditionally?
(09/16 01:31:59) [KrYaXx]: oganisation is key to structor
(09/16 01:32:09) [Moderator] Lfus: (Sonseeharay you are next after Relayer Corps)
(09/16 01:32:16) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I think poor Ruby is having some problem there.......
(09/16 01:32:17) Relayer Corps: I think Ruby is experiencing technical difficulties
(09/16 01:32:32) Relayer Corps: Let's go to the next speaker
(09/16 01:32:35) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I think she got the mouse is moving her on its own
(09/16 01:32:36) Relayer Corps: DMom?
(09/16 01:32:38) Ruby O'Degee: ruby keeps taking off from the lag. I want her to sit down
(09/16 01:32:47) Relayer Corps: oh, Sorry Ruby
(09/16 01:32:49) [Relayer]DMom_2000: oh I just had a question for Ruby that is all
(09/16 01:33:05) [Relayer]DMom_2000: CTL 7 Ruby
(09/16 01:33:11) Sam Byard: ruby if you wanna relto out i'm sure someone could relay back and forth :S
(09/16 01:33:12) Relayer Corps: Do you have an answer for my questuion?
(09/16 01:33:25) Sam Byard: might work :S
(09/16 01:34:21) Ruby O'Degee: ok, can you all come back to me later, so I can do some switching
(09/16 01:34:22) Relayer Corps: Ruby, What would happen to those of us that don't report traditionally?
(09/16 01:34:29) Relayer Corps: kk. can do
(09/16 01:34:33) Ruby O'Degee: thanks
(09/16 01:34:38) Relayer Corps: DMom, what is your vision for the GOM?
(09/16 01:34:39) Ruby O'Degee: how do I get back in?
(09/16 01:34:43) Ruby O'Degee: is it locked?
(09/16 01:34:48) Anthony: LINK
(09/16 01:34:51) Relayer Corps: I think It is still public
(09/16 01:35:02) Relayer Corps: If not, pm me
(09/16 01:35:08) Romer Openfield: It's public
(09/16 01:35:11) Ruby O'Degee: ok thank you relayer, and of course anthony
(09/16 01:35:15) Relayer Corps: kk ty Romer
(09/16 01:35:17) [Relayer]DMom_2000: oh my vision?
(09/16 01:35:21) [KrYaXx]: wow have alot here
(09/16 01:35:22) Relayer Corps: anytime Ruby
(09/16 01:35:27) Anthony: No Problem ;)
(09/16 01:35:35) Relayer Corps: DMom, what is your vision for the GOM?
(09/16 01:35:56) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Well, I can see the organized groups doing what they do now
(09/16 01:36:10) [Relayer]DMom_2000: but I can also see the independents doing what they do
(09/16 01:36:36) [Relayer]DMom_2000: but somehow, and whether the DRC have a structure in mind or not, we have to find a way to come together
(09/16 01:36:41) [Relayer]DMom_2000: to work with each other
(09/16 01:37:01) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Seeing who is doing the work is one way of picking leadership
(09/16 01:37:21) [Relayer]DMom_2000: letting those who are interested put themselves up for a vote from everyone is another
(09/16 01:37:30) [Moderator] Lfus: (if you have a question for D-Mom, please PM Moirajane with the word question. Thank You)
(09/16 01:37:57) [Relayer]DMom_2000: seems like no matter which way we go someone is going to scream foul....or someone is out for a power play
(09/16 01:38:42) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I think for now we need to continue these type of dicussions and as we do, we will gradually formulate the direction we want to go in
(09/16 01:38:54) [KrYaXx]: we nee to have more particapation so with that a new KI face plate would be something new and entice others to join the guilds to get it lol add that to what i said
(09/16 01:39:05) [Relayer]DMom_2000: then when the DRC tell us how the Guilds will be then we will be better prepared
(09/16 01:39:10) [Relayer]DMom_2000: ok. I am done.
(09/16 01:39:15) Whilyam: Might I suggest something?
(09/16 01:39:33) [Moderator] Lfus: Sam Byard your question please
(09/16 01:39:41) Whilyam: Ah, nevermind. Sorry.
(09/16 01:40:20) [Relayer]DMom_2000 is getting nervous, as Sam types long questions....
(09/16 01:40:36) Sam Byard: Sam just Pmed it by accident
(09/16 01:40:37) Relayer Corps: lol
(09/16 01:40:40) Relayer Corps: He sure does
(09/16 01:40:44) [Relayer]DMom_2000: awwww
(09/16 01:40:48) [Relayer]DMom_2000: poor Sam
(09/16 01:41:18) Sam Byard: Ok, how do you counter the possibility of the more popular explorers simply getting voted for no matter how much work they do ? and also how do you differentiate between and independant and an organisation I dont know any independants
(09/16 01:42:37) Relayer Corps: Just to let those who came in later, I have everyone's... I think everyone's.. name on a list. I will call your name to give your views on the GOM as soon as I get to your name.
(09/16 01:43:01) Sam Byard: I am independant as is Thend, but we both are considered organisations
(09/16 01:43:38) [Moderator] Lfus: No more questions for D-Mom
(09/16 01:43:47) Thend raises his hand as both independent and organized
(09/16 01:43:48) Relayer Corps: Please have you questions pre-typed and PM Moderator Moirajane with the word"question" if you have somwething to say about what the latest speaker has said. ty
(09/16 01:43:53) [KrYaXx] shorah Ae'gura bahro
(09/16 01:44:07) Relayer Corps: Kerryth, You views please?
(09/16 01:44:12) [Relayer] Kerryth: So many people here are already doing wonderful things - without a Guild. My feeling is the Guild needs to ADD opportunity, collaboration, creativity. Not build walls. New people will come and they will have much to contribute. There should be no barriers imposed by any group or Guild. Structures can be fluid and temporary. In fact, they must be, because everyone here has complete freedom. Leadership will not be static: it will come from whoever is doing the hard work and showing up
(09/16 01:44:17) [Relayer] Kerryth: at any given time.
(09/16 01:44:39) [Relayer] Kerryth: That's all I have to say at this time.
(09/16 01:45:04) Relayer Corps: Any questions?
(09/16 01:45:10) [Moderator] Lfus: (If you have a question for Kerryth, please PM Moirajane with the word question
(09/16 01:45:17) [Moderator] Lfus: Thank you
(09/16 01:45:17) [Relayer]Dichromus agrees with Kerryth
(09/16 01:45:28) Reteltee agrees
(09/16 01:45:28) [KrYaXx] claps his hands
(09/16 01:45:42) Relayer Corps: No questions?
(09/16 01:45:46) [Moderator]moirajane: No questions for Kerryth, next speaker
(09/16 01:45:50) [Relayer] Kerryth: Thank you.
(09/16 01:45:53) Relayer Corps: Lady Chaos is next.
(09/16 01:45:53) Sam Byard: i have one !
(09/16 01:45:59) Sam Byard: ok next
(09/16 01:46:00) [Moderator]moirajane: sorry I missed Sam
(09/16 01:46:06) Lady Chaos: Go ahead, Sam.
(09/16 01:46:33) Sam Byard: how do you envisiage an open system letting current organisations not get supserceded by an official guild of messengers using your plan...
(09/16 01:46:34) [Relayer] Kerryth: :)
(09/16 01:47:02) [Relayer] Kerryth: I have no plan. As far as existing organizations, they are free to go on doing what they are doing.
(09/16 01:47:11) [Relayer] Kerryth: How would you stop them??
(09/16 01:47:23) Sam Byard: but if the guild of messengers puts out its own content, the other organisations would lose viewers completely
(09/16 01:47:25) [Relayer] Kerryth: And there is no "Official" guild at this time.
(09/16 01:47:29) [Relayer] Kerryth: Why?
(09/16 01:47:44) Sam Byard: because explorers go to the "official" source
(09/16 01:47:49) [Relayer] Kerryth: The good work will succeed. "Official" does not equal good, necessarily.
(09/16 01:48:01) [KrYaXx]: GOG
(09/16 01:48:02) [Relayer] Kerryth: Exploreres are free to go wherever they choose.
(09/16 01:48:06) Sam Byard: however official often comes from more reliable sources
(09/16 01:48:22) [Relayer] Kerryth: Surface. I rest my case.
(09/16 01:48:27) Sam Byard: and is more accesibly to the newer explorers
(09/16 01:48:44) Relayer Corps: Lady Choas please
(09/16 01:48:45) [Relayer] Kerryth: How so?
(09/16 01:49:00) Sam Byard: if the newer explorers come in, where are they gonna go ? official ? or wherever else happens to be doing a take on the news
(09/16 01:49:12) [Relayer] Kerryth: Wherever they want, Sam.
(09/16 01:49:25) [KrYaXx]: they all goto GoG now
(09/16 01:49:32) [Relayer] Kerryth: Not all.
(09/16 01:49:34) Sam Byard: but i'm implying that they will go official, as they DO go official when they can
(09/16 01:49:45) [Relayer] Kerryth: How do you know?
(09/16 01:50:07) Sam Byard: look at the difference between speculation given by a normal explorer and when reteltee speaks
(09/16 01:50:23) [Relayer] Kerryth: Anyone can listen to Reteltee and pass along what he said.
(09/16 01:50:33) [Relayer] Kerryth: Or listen for themselves.
(09/16 01:50:36) Sam Byard: If i stand and speculate, I might get listened to to a few pple
(09/16 01:50:37) Reteltee: I'm not normal?
(09/16 01:50:42) Reteltee: Why didn't you TELL me this
(09/16 01:50:43) [Relayer] Kerryth: :)
(09/16 01:50:46) Thend starts to laugh
(09/16 01:50:48) Lady Chaos starts to laugh
(09/16 01:50:50) [KrYaXx]: lol
(09/16 01:50:56) Relayer Corps: lol
(09/16 01:50:58) d'ni everything giggles
(09/16 01:51:07) Sam Byard: as reteltee is the most official explorer we have he gets mobbed the minute he breathers
(09/16 01:51:13) Anthony: Releltee you stoped the min the drc talked to you
(09/16 01:51:17) [Relayer] Kerryth: I won't mention any names, but some are doing that, and doing it well..
(09/16 01:51:29) Relayer Corps: Sam, we need to move on, otherwise we will not have time for everyone.
(09/16 01:51:34) [Relayer] Kerryth: OK.
(09/16 01:51:37) Sam Byard: ok :)
(09/16 01:51:38) Relayer Corps: Lady Choas please.
(09/16 01:51:41) Lady Chaos: OK.
(09/16 01:51:42) Relayer Corps: ty
(09/16 01:51:53) Lady Chaos: What I'd like to see the Messengers become is a service organization.
(09/16 01:52:03) Lady Chaos: They'd provide central point of contact for news.
(09/16 01:52:14) Lady Chaos: Set up a Web site or some such, collect videos and events.
(09/16 01:52:26) Lady Chaos: Provide links and be open to letting others help.
(09/16 01:52:28) [Moderator] Lfus: (If you have a question for Lady Chaos, please PM Moirajane with the word question... Thank You)
(09/16 01:52:49) Lady Chaos: I'd also like to see the Messengers provide a training and education service for newcomers, so they could learn how it's done.
(09/16 01:52:49) Sam Byard: As i'm going next I wont ask a question here but I do have them ....
(09/16 01:52:55) Relayer Corps: Are you suggesting the the GOM be purely and out of cavern organization?
(09/16 01:52:57) Relayer Corps: oops
(09/16 01:53:00) Relayer Corps: sorry
(09/16 01:53:15) Relayer Corps: relayers habit
(09/16 01:53:18) Lady Chaos: And finally I'd like them to be a central point for event news.
(09/16 01:53:25) Lady Chaos: Done.
(09/16 01:53:54) [Moderator] Lfus: Relayer Corps you may ask your question
(09/16 01:54:02) Relayer Corps: lol ty
(09/16 01:54:17) Relayer Corps: Do you see the GOM as being a purely out of cavern organization?
(09/16 01:54:24) [Moderator] Lfus: (D-Mom you will be next after Relayer Corps)
(09/16 01:54:38) Lady Chaos: No. They'd have a strong in-cavern presence: distributing news and events info through KI mail.
(09/16 01:54:48) Lady Chaos: Also just going around and talking with people, sharing what they know.
(09/16 01:54:53) Relayer Corps: so, in cavern as well as out of cavern
(09/16 01:54:57) Lady Chaos: Yes.
(09/16 01:55:08) Relayer Corps: kk ty
(09/16 01:55:14) Lady Chaos: Because some things work better out of the cavern, such as news videos.
(09/16 01:55:20) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 01:55:28) jumpingjackflash nods his head
(09/16 01:55:35) Relayer Corps: DMom? your question?
(09/16 01:55:43) [Relayer]DMom_2000: if there is going to be a central collection point, then who is going to organize that?
(09/16 01:56:10) Lady Chaos: The GoM people. Perhaps as part of an extant Web site, or just providing a page of links to the various sources.
(09/16 01:56:20) Sam Byard: The way I see the Guild of messengers workin/reply nah
(09/16 01:56:24) Lady Chaos: We have all these great videos out there that no one can find unless they've been around forever.
(09/16 01:56:38) Lady Chaos: Done.
(09/16 01:56:49) [Moderator] Lfus: There are no more questions for Lady Chaos.
(09/16 01:56:51) Relayer Corps: Sam Byard, your up.
(09/16 01:56:57) Sam Byard: bear with me i had to delete my statement
(09/16 01:57:02) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(09/16 01:57:05) jumpingjackflash claps for Lady Chaos
(09/16 01:57:07) Lady Chaos: OK, folks.. I have to take off... I have a gig to launch.
(09/16 01:57:10) Lady Chaos: Thank you all.
(09/16 01:57:15) Thend: Seeya LC, and thanks
(09/16 01:57:19) [Relayer]DMom_2000 is just hoping I dont crash again....
(09/16 01:57:19) Lady Chaos waves goodbye
(09/16 01:57:21) Relayer Corps: Bye LC.
(09/16 01:57:24) Relayer Corps: Thanks for coming\
(09/16 01:57:29) Lady Chaos: YOu're welcome.
(09/16 01:57:29) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Night LC
(09/16 01:57:31) Lady Chaos bows
(09/16 01:57:31) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Thanks

(09/16 01:57:46) Sam Byard: The way I see the guild of messengers working is this. The guild of messengers will be set up as a conduit for the flow of information from the source to the news organisations that will give the information to the explorers
(09/16 01:57:51) Sam Byard: ...
(09/16 01:58:26) [Moderator] Lfus: (If you have a question for Sam, please PM Moirajane with the word question)
(09/16 01:58:35) Sam Byard: The information will be divided into that from three sources, DRC/Cyan info, other guild info (guild of writers info etc.) and public domain info (from explorers)
(09/16 01:59:03) Sam Byard: this info will be checked by three levels of guild...
(09/16 01:59:13) Sam Byard: the bottom level will check for accuracy
(09/16 01:59:24) Sam Byard: the top two will joint check for legibility
(09/16 01:59:54) Sam Byard: and then the info will be put to a bit info pot (forum etc.) where all member organisations can retrieve the info...
(09/16 02:00:26) Sam Byard: the three levels of guild are as follows
(09/16 02:00:54) Sam Byard: lvl 2, (bottom) any individuals who are accepted into the guilds membership (note the difference from my original model)
(09/16 02:01:18) Sam Byard: lvl 1 and the guild master check for legibility (ease of reading)
(09/16 02:01:53) Sam Byard: the 3 levels of info is given to the three different levels, as follows.
(09/16 02:02:14) Sam Byard: public domain info goes to level 2 where it is checked and given to lvl 1
(09/16 02:02:22) Sam Byard: other guild info is given to level 1
(09/16 02:02:42) Sam Byard: and official DRC/cyan info goes straight to the guild master and out withought much checking
(09/16 02:03:17) Sam Byard: any info that directly affects the guild of messengers is put into a member forum and is discussed and given out as a Guild of messengers announcement..
(09/16 02:03:33) Sam Byard: NOTE: this is the only form of broadcasting the guild of messengers as an organisation will do
(09/16 02:04:27) Sam Byard: this system means that anyone who wants to report news should register as a member organisation to gain the benefit of the information, once accepted they can broadcast
(09/16 02:04:51) Sam Byard: this means ALL explorers have equal officiality in the cavern whilst broadcasting news
(09/16 02:05:36) [KrYaXx]: I was under the assumtion that the messangers who not only delevered messages to anyone, or group also held the News, the reporters, and media as well.
(09/16 02:05:37) Sam Byard: also if they register, they can feed info they collect straight into the guild at level 1 after they have proven they can give accurate information
(09/16 02:06:00) Sam Byard: I think Thats enough from me for now, questions please
(09/16 02:06:15) [Moderator] Lfus: Relayer Corps your question please
(09/16 02:06:17) Relayer Corps: How would you incorperate the individual explorer, into the GOM, who want to be a part of GOM, but not any particualr group in the GOM? And why have 2 levels check for legibility. This sounds like it would take forever just to get the news out, and opens put the chance for censorship. This seems more complicated then it needs to be. Ruby and Tyon, please pm Moirajane.
(09/16 02:06:33) [Moderator] Lfus: (Kerryth you are after Relayer Corps)
(09/16 02:07:00) Relayer Corps: Sorry Ruby and Tyon. I didn't want to loose my train of thought
(09/16 02:07:26) Sam Byard: all levels of information will be accessible to the guild council at level 1 meaning censorship can be prevented by checking the differences between the info at each level.
(09/16 02:07:35) Sam Byard: individual explorers have 2 means of membership
(09/16 02:07:48) [Moderator] Lfus: (Please have your questions pretyped... Thank You)
(09/16 02:07:50) Sam Byard: do you mean reporting explorers or explorers who jsut wanna help
(09/16 02:08:01) Sam Byard: (both are accomadated)
(09/16 02:08:22) Sam Byard: ?
(09/16 02:08:52) Relayer Corps: Explorers who want to help, but aren't sure where or how
(09/16 02:09:18) [KrYaXx]:
(09/16 02:09:29) Sam Byard: explorers that want to post news, register to the guild as an organisation and merely say how they want to report it. this is enough for acceptance
(09/16 02:09:32) Sam Byard: for example
(09/16 02:09:52) Sam Byard: I would register as URU RAdio, a service giving live broadcasting of information
(09/16 02:10:00) Sam Byard: NOTE: I am an individual epxlorer
(09/16 02:10:10) Sam Byard: e.g.2
(09/16 02:10:33) Sam Byard: Thend would register as KI Toons, a service giving comics of cavern events
(09/16 02:10:39) Sam Byard: another individual epxlorer
(09/16 02:10:55) Sam Byard: if an explorer didn't want to report news, they can be accepted into lvl 2 of the guild
(09/16 02:10:58) Sam Byard: next
(09/16 02:11:08) Sam Byard: unless you wanna ask more
(09/16 02:11:10) [Relayer] Kerryth: What mechanism do you propose to compel people to comply with this system and not simply go around it? What would you offer to induce people to comply voluntarily?
(09/16 02:11:31) [Moderator] Lfus: (ireenquench your up after Keryth)
(09/16 02:12:22) [Moderator]moirajane: k :)
(09/16 02:12:23) Sam Byard: no one is forced to join the guild. however if you comply with the guild and its rules you gain the advantage of accurate and official news from all possible cavern sources and having your organisation labelled as "official Guild of messengers "
(09/16 02:12:35) Sam Byard: the rules are not many
(09/16 02:12:37) Sam Byard: :S
(09/16 02:12:57) Sam Byard: its literally, join the guild, you will be given a job, do it :)
(09/16 02:13:05) Sam Byard: dont wanna do the job, dont join
(09/16 02:13:11) Sam Byard: theres nothing to break
(09/16 02:13:16) Sam Byard: hwoever
(09/16 02:13:34) [Relayer] Kerryth: Or do the job AND don't join.
(09/16 02:13:45) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm just saying people have free choice here.
(09/16 02:13:49) Sam Byard: members putting out info before its got to the info pot is not alowed
(09/16 02:13:59) Sam Byard: yer you can do the job and not join
(09/16 02:14:03) [Relayer] Kerryth: How do you stop them?
(09/16 02:14:15) Sam Byard: stop them putitng out info ?
(09/16 02:14:17) Sam Byard: in that way ?
(09/16 02:14:27) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm not trying to be contrary. I want to know what mechanism imposes this on people.
(09/16 02:15:04) Sam Byard: well diciplinaries would be decided on a case by case basis as in any guild for instance a Guild of writers member could put secret porn images into a texture, they would be diciplined
(09/16 02:15:25) Sam Byard: a guild of messengers member who put out info before it is verified could face losing access to the info for a a few days etc.
(09/16 02:15:41) [Relayer] Kerryth: How?
(09/16 02:15:53) Sam Byard: suspension from the info forum :)
(09/16 02:15:56) Sam Byard: remember
(09/16 02:16:23) Sam Byard: I doubt this would ever need to be done
(09/16 02:16:28) Relayer Corps: kk ty
(09/16 02:16:44) Sam Byard: but anything listing itself as official needs to make sure the info it is giving out is verified
(09/16 02:16:50) Sam Byard: next
(09/16 02:16:53) [Moderator] Lfus: Ireenquench your question please.
(09/16 02:16:55) ireenquench: Speaking from the perspective of the explorer interested in fresh and pure news, but not wanting to wait for processed and or creative formats, and interested in the original feed so to speak, just wanting to go where the news is, may I peek in the raw info pot?
(09/16 02:17:21) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 02:17:39) Sam Byard: the info pot at the end is a RAW info pot thats all it is however it has been verified as accurate and spellings have been corrected :) thats it
(09/16 02:17:46) Sam Byard: all the porcess does
(09/16 02:18:09) [Moderator] Lfus: (Tyion your question will be next)
(09/16 02:18:10) Sam Byard: is takes the info from the sources and makes sure that you yourself ireen can read it and that your not being given something false
(09/16 02:18:19) Sam Byard: thats all the channels do
(09/16 02:18:57) Sam Byard: (this entire system could work on a platform as simple as a forum)
(09/16 02:19:01) Sam Byard: next
(09/16 02:19:07) [Moderator] Lfus: Tyion your question please.
(09/16 02:19:07) ireenquench: But I can't read the possibly innaccurate versions with typos?
(09/16 02:19:19) Sam Byard: as a member you will have acces to that
(09/16 02:19:28) Sam Byard: however you cant list it as official
(09/16 02:19:37) Sam Byard: it is your own info at that point
(09/16 02:19:42) [Moderator] Lfus: (Abathyr your question will be next)
(09/16 02:19:43) Sam Byard: not guild of messengers info
(09/16 02:19:49) Abathyr: nm
(09/16 02:19:54) ireenquench: I was speaking from the perspective of the consumer
(09/16 02:20:05) Sam Byard: so was i ?
(09/16 02:20:11) Sam Byard: :S
(09/16 02:20:21) Whilyam: A consumer cannot be a member, Sam
(09/16 02:20:27) Sam Byard: oh sorry i understand
(09/16 02:20:34) Sam Byard: wait a mo i'll write my answer
(09/16 02:20:47) Relayer Corps sighs
(09/16 02:20:50) [KrYaXx]: the security , the Modding abilities , the law enforcment etc. what ever you want to call it, will have to be delt with for all guilds but it ties into what sam just said
(09/16 02:21:01) Whilyam: Indeed.
(09/16 02:21:26) Sam Byard: the point of my system is that the info recieved through the guild of messengers by a consumer comes from the organisations member to the guild...
(09/16 02:21:32) [Moderator] Lfus: (Tyion your question is next)
(09/16 02:21:44) Sam Byard: raw info is waht they get but in a verified form
(09/16 02:21:58) Sam Byard: consumers do not get access to anything in the process except what is given out
(09/16 02:22:08) Sam Byard: however what is given out is up to the organisation
(09/16 02:22:09) Whilyam: ireen wants to see the raw info. Will there be a way or not?
(09/16 02:22:31) Sam Byard: not withought compromising the member organisations
(09/16 02:22:46) Sam Byard: for the reason which I stress...
(09/16 02:22:59) Anthony: Well if a group choose to release it in that manyner though they could are sam
(09/16 02:23:00) Whilyam: Right. But that was the answer, no?
(09/16 02:23:12) Sam Byard: the size of your audience is directly proportional to how official the consumer thinks you are
(09/16 02:23:25) Whilyam: raw info will not be given out by the Guild. It is up to the member orgs.
(09/16 02:23:27) Thend shakes his head
(09/16 02:23:41) Sam Byard: they can release it in that manner but it is not official guild of messengers info however that info is already avaliable outside the guild
(09/16 02:23:42) Whilyam: That's correct, right, Sam?
(09/16 02:23:51) [KrYaXx]: Itsn't that what Guild Stamps are used for to officaly state they are officail ? DRC has stamps on alot of the books etc you see around thew cavern why not adobt that
(09/16 02:23:57) Sam Byard: the guild only gives info to member orgs
(09/16 02:24:07) Sam Byard: please line your questions in the queue so i can answer them all
(09/16 02:24:14) ireenquench: Ok,maybe that is a discussion for some other time, maybe specifically that point on a forum. Otherwise this takes too long.
(09/16 02:24:22) Abathyr: agree
(09/16 02:24:27) Whilyam nods his head
(09/16 02:24:30) [Moderator] Lfus: Tyion your question please.
(09/16 02:24:31) Sam Byard: ireen respectfully, isn't this waht we are here to discuss ?
(09/16 02:24:42) Whilyam: Not all night...
(09/16 02:24:43) Sam Byard: ok next
(09/16 02:24:51) [Moderator] Lfus: tyion
(09/16 02:24:57) Sam Byard: i'll talk outside the meeting about anythign i say here whenever you want :)
(09/16 02:25:38) [Moderator] Lfus: (Jumpingjackflash your question is next)
(09/16 02:25:55) jumpingjackflash: you mentioned that explorers join and follow the rules or they dont join... how would members who wont follow rules be dealt with... voted out? will there be a no tolerance rule?
(09/16 02:25:59) [Moderator] Lfus: (please have your questions pretyped in)
(09/16 02:26:13) [Moderator] Lfus: (D-Mom your question is next)
(09/16 02:27:33) [Moderator] Lfus: Sam.. did you get jumping jacks question?
(09/16 02:27:39) Sam Byard: jjf basically there will be diciplinaries in place like in other guilds such as suspension to access of info
(09/16 02:27:52) Sam Byard: all guilds will have diciplinaries
(09/16 02:28:00) jumpingjackflash: how would that be enforced though
(09/16 02:28:17) [KrYaXx]: ...
(09/16 02:28:21) Sam Byard: by the guild master, who I can talk about in more detail if anyone asks :)
(09/16 02:28:35) Sam Byard: and by the voting guild council (lvl 1)
(09/16 02:28:43) jumpingjackflash: ok thx
(09/16 02:28:48) Sam Byard: guild master will only be there for deciding votes
(09/16 02:29:11) Sam Byard: there is a system for having a guild master I think you will all like :)
(09/16 02:29:14) Sam Byard: next
(09/16 02:29:15) [KrYaXx]: reteltee guild master?
(09/16 02:29:21) [Moderator] Lfus: D-Mom
(09/16 02:29:22) [Relayer]DMom_2000: what makes you think "average" joe/jane explorer will buy into your idea of a guild system? Also for someone new, things are confusing enough. Wouldn't this turn a lot of new folk off on the entire idea of a guild?
(09/16 02:29:37) [Moderator] Lfus: (Relayer Corps your question is next)
(09/16 02:30:29) [Relayer]DMom_2000: and what if ultimately the DRC says that is not the way it is to go?
(09/16 02:30:31) Sam Byard: I think not Dmom, looking at guild systems from other games we see complex levels of hierarchy present in low age games (e.g WoW) my guild system guarantees that anythign listen as "official guild of messengers info" can be 100% relied upon
(09/16 02:31:00) Sam Byard: in practise with simply 3 forums each with levels of access I think the guild coul operate very simply
(09/16 02:31:24) Sam Byard: the top forum wit heveryone accessing it would be for the verification process
(09/16 02:31:46) Sam Byard: the middle with lvl 1 and guild master accessing it would be for the legibility process
(09/16 02:32:11) Sam Byard: the bottom being the channeled info avaliable to all members and also anyone in a member organisation too not just people who channel info
(09/16 02:32:27) [Relayer]DMom_2000: But if I were a brand new person today, I think I would say that was too hard.....and again, what if the DRC ultimately say that that is not the way they want to go?
(09/16 02:32:29) Sam Byard: (there could be a seperate forum section for diciplinaries)
(09/16 02:33:27) Sam Byard: whatever the DRC says i will go with, the SYSTEM I put forward is just an example of achieving reliable official info withought it coming from cyan
(09/16 02:33:38) [Relayer]DMom_2000: K. thanks
(09/16 02:33:41) [Moderator] Lfus: Relayer Corps your question please..
(09/16 02:33:51) Sam Byard: initiation into the guild may require a short training process (reading a document etc.) that would simplify things
(09/16 02:34:05) Relayer Corps: Crap!
(09/16 02:34:05) Sam Byard: next
(09/16 02:34:09) Relayer Corps: I pmed it. sorry
(09/16 02:34:16) Sam Byard: yer i did that earlier :)
(09/16 02:34:17) ireenquench laughs
(09/16 02:34:22) [Moderator]moirajane: lol
(09/16 02:34:30) Sam Byard: wanna move on to the next while corps retypes
(09/16 02:34:31) [Moderator] Lfus: (Ruby your question is next)
(09/16 02:34:40) Relayer Corps: I have a problem with the average explorer not being allowed to see the raw info....
(09/16 02:34:57) Sam Byard: before you go on
(09/16 02:35:13) Sam Byard: the raw info is what they get before the info is processed by the guild
(09/16 02:35:19) Sam Byard: that info is already public domain
(09/16 02:35:27) [Moderator] Lfus: (please have your questions pretyed in)
(09/16 02:35:37) Sam Byard: the problem with the processed raw info being given out
(09/16 02:35:46) Sam Byard: is that it skips the organisations who want to give it out
(09/16 02:35:58) Sam Byard: meaninging the average explorer can also skip those organisations
(09/16 02:36:08) Sam Byard: making the organisations lose audience
(09/16 02:36:17) Relayer Corps: I also haveThey could do that now, but choose not to,.
(09/16 02:36:17) Sam Byard: if you wanna question anything there feel free
(09/16 02:36:32) Sam Byard: do what now ?
(09/16 02:36:39) Sam Byard: skip the organisations
(09/16 02:36:41) Sam Byard: ?
(09/16 02:36:49) Relayer Corps: They have access to the raw info now, but choose to go to the news groups
(09/16 02:37:10) Relayer Corps: why would they stop doing that if the guild makes the raw info available to them?
(09/16 02:37:26) Sam Byard: well yes, but if you go to the organisations its a lot more fun :) also the organisations would have access to info from the other guilds and from maybe Cyan and the drc that the public domain doesn't
(09/16 02:38:09) Sam Byard: the info from organisations as opposed to raw info is a lot more reliable as well
(09/16 02:38:09) Relayer Corps: I aslo have a problem with your belief that your customer base is proportioal to how "officail" you are percieved.
(09/16 02:38:13) Sam Byard: if this system is used
(09/16 02:38:25) Sam Byard: yer i diddn't finish writing thatbit :)
(09/16 02:38:26) Sam Byard: ok
(09/16 02:38:38) Relayer Corps: The relayers are not "officail" in any way, yet our customer base keeps growing. How do you account for that?
(09/16 02:39:47) Thend nods his head
(09/16 02:40:08) Sam Byard: I believe that your audience IS directly proportional to how official you are percieved. Reteltee has a lot more backing than you or I as he is percieved by the average explorer as official(ish) your organisation is realaying official info and is unique in that aspect which is where you have found your niche however I am talkign to the type of reporting that I do or TCT for instance...
(09/16 02:40:52) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 02:40:54) Sam Byard: If i was to have Rand on my show, I would have my servers bleeding, however when I speculate myself, I get under 10 people a show. the same with TCT they get a lot more listeners if they have a cyantist interview because that is percieved as official
(09/16 02:41:10) Sam Byard: however I do congratulate you on the niche you have found :)
(09/16 02:41:24) Relayer Corps: Lol thanks, But I wasn't looking for a pat on the back.
(09/16 02:41:30) Whilyam: We are talking more than niches here, though
(09/16 02:41:34) Reteltee: Hmm
(09/16 02:41:36) [KrYaXx]: be alot easer if all the objects and machines and gadjets to do all this Guild stuff were present so that everything will operate 'In Game' as much as possible. set up the guilds as actual levels with a garseen like mechinisem that will let you pass if you have the right clearance. sigh talking like a maintainer again.
(09/16 02:41:38) Sam Byard: but as you can see from what I have said your case doesn't quite equate in what I am trying to say :)
(09/16 02:41:48) Sam Byard: next (please wait your turn kryaxx)
(09/16 02:41:57) [Moderator] Lfus: Ruby has the last question.
(09/16 02:42:03) Sam Byard: I would be interested in a question on that whily if you put it in the queue
(09/16 02:42:09) Sam Byard: yes ruby ?
(09/16 02:42:12) Ruby O'Degee: I am a member of a cavern news group. I am not a representative of that group. I am my own rep. Will I be allowed to join level g 1? Will any explorer be allowed to join at that level? I am sure i am not there no, but is it possible for an independent producer to vote at any point? Will we always be in level 2 or 3 or wherever? Why only orgs? I still don't get it. Good shows will cause ppl to watch no matter where those shows come from:)
(09/16 02:42:40) Sam Byard: now I knew this would come up :)
(09/16 02:43:05) Sam Byard: the point of lvl 1 is it is a management level with an everyday function too (multitasking !)
(09/16 02:43:15) Sam Byard: however
(09/16 02:43:20) Sam Byard: it is a VOTING council
(09/16 02:43:43) Sam Byard: if average explorers could join that, public opinion instead of logical decision could sway the vote, e.g.
(09/16 02:43:58) Ruby O'Degee: yes, and lots of us have mutli tasking experience
(09/16 02:44:22) Reteltee: Pardon the interruption; very interesting discussion tonight, thanks for inviting me. Afraid I've something else to attend to. Shorah everyone
(09/16 02:44:33) Anthony: Bye Rel
(09/16 02:44:37) Sam Byard: say for instance joe bloggs is a really funny guy, and he took some info from the lvl 2 of the guild and just posted it out through his radio broadcast with a silly comical twist on it
(09/16 02:44:37) Relayer Corps: bye Reteltee. Thanks for comibng
(09/16 02:44:43) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Night Rel, thanks for coming
(09/16 02:44:51) Sam Byard: however this info was deemed to be inaccurate
(09/16 02:44:56) Sam Byard: and he posted it as official
(09/16 02:45:05) Sam Byard: this would require a diciplinary
(09/16 02:45:17) Sam Byard: probably a small suspension on vote from lvl 1 and guild master
(09/16 02:45:23) Sam Byard: maybe 2 or 3 days
(09/16 02:45:36) Ruby O'Degee: do you not trust us pretty ordinary explorers sam? to know what to do or how to handle content?
(09/16 02:45:43) Sam Byard: however as he is a popular guy, and the coun cil has average epxlorers on the council
(09/16 02:45:59) Sam Byard: public opinion says, "give him another chance"
(09/16 02:46:03) Sam Byard: this is just one example
(09/16 02:46:19) Sam Byard: another one is that explorers within one organisation are rather likeminded in nature
(09/16 02:46:42) Ruby O'Degee: yeah, well plenty of ppl have been given lots of chances, and this is a forgiving cavern, so I think we can all be ordinary explorers and still do a good job
(09/16 02:46:44) Sam Byard: if multiple explorers from one organisation have lvl 1 positions, they may end up swaying the vote
(09/16 02:46:58) Relayer Corps agrees with Ruby
(09/16 02:47:08) Sam Byard: i'm not saying you wont be
(09/16 02:47:15) Sam Byard: but it must be a logical decision
(09/16 02:47:29) Ruby O'Degee: we are not logical? us orindary types?
(09/16 02:47:34) Sam Byard: he has broken a rule and must be diciplined out of rules otherwise the system breaks down
(09/16 02:47:49) Sam Byard: ruby please carefully read what i'm saying
(09/16 02:47:49) Ruby O'Degee: cross the bridge when you get to it?
(09/16 02:48:15) Sam Byard: if you have 1 rep from the organisation
(09/16 02:48:32) Sam Byard: they will make a decision purely on whatever they decide is right
(09/16 02:48:47) Ruby O'Degee: I am reading sam. very carefully. I have a little cav ern publishing experience myself. but I consider myself an ordinary person
(09/16 02:49:03) Sam Byard: the council members are ordinary people
(09/16 02:49:16) [KrYaXx]: we do need basic unbiased ground rules
(09/16 02:49:17) Sam Byard: I just consider it a bad idea for one organisation to have multiple votes
(09/16 02:49:29) Whilyam: 1 rep = 1 org = 1 vote vs. org members = 1 vote X number of members
(09/16 02:49:40) Ruby O'Degee: ok sam, why are they an upper level council? Why not on the cavern floor with the rest of us?
(09/16 02:49:50) Sam Byard: ...
(09/16 02:50:00) Relayer Corps: If anyone would like to forego their chance to voice their views on the GOM please just say pass when I call your name. Also, please limit your questions. This meeting is going to run REALLY long.
(09/16 02:50:00) Sam Byard: thats what I just explained ?
(09/16 02:50:21) Relayer Corps: sorry to cut this short, but we really do need to move along.
(09/16 02:50:27) Ruby O'Degee: then you are right , I am too ordinary to get it
(09/16 02:50:29) Sam Byard: they are a 1 org 1 vote council with a deciding vote for the guild master
(09/16 02:50:36) Sam Byard: ruby, your are CCN yes ?
(09/16 02:50:53) Relayer Corps: if you 2 would like to use this bevin to discuss this further after the meeting, you are welcome to.
(09/16 02:50:54) Sam Byard: wait just 2 secs corps this is a big issue in the conflict here
(09/16 02:50:56) Ruby O'Degee: I am a ccn member yes, but I am independet too
(09/16 02:51:09) Ruby O'Degee: I do not speak for CCN
(09/16 02:51:15) Sam Byard: now I know from experience that CCN is made up of like minded individuals yes ?
(09/16 02:51:23) Ruby O'Degee: I speak for my documentaries
(09/16 02:51:24) Abathyr: yes but you have both already had turns expressing your views here, maybe others have other ideas about how they see the guild
(09/16 02:51:29) Relayer Corps: yes, I realize that it is a big issue, one that will have to wait for another meeting.
(09/16 02:51:32) ireenquench wants to move on
(09/16 02:51:34) Ruby O'Degee: no, we are not liked minded
(09/16 02:51:34) Sam Byard: ok corps
(09/16 02:51:35) Relayer Corps: others are waiting to be heard.
(09/16 02:51:35) Anthony: Yes please
(09/16 02:51:40) Sam Byard: next
(09/16 02:51:40) Relayer Corps: Ty
(09/16 02:51:43) [Relayer]DMom_2000: i second that.
(09/16 02:51:47) Relayer Corps: kansi? your up!
(09/16 02:51:48) Ruby O'Degee: we are very unlike minded in fact
(09/16 02:51:54) [Moderator] Lfus: no more questions for you Sam
(09/16 02:51:58) Ruby O'Degee: lol
(09/16 02:52:00) Sam Byard: phew
(09/16 02:52:02) Relayer Corps: Lol
(09/16 02:52:05) Sam Byard: my fingers hurt
(09/16 02:52:06) Anthony: [Ruby] let us move on we have heard this all before
(09/16 02:52:18) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Welcome to our world, Sam.....
(09/16 02:52:24) [Moderator]moirajane: lol
(09/16 02:52:31) Relayer Corps: kansi?
(09/16 02:52:51) Relayer Corps: please let me know if you are busy typing.
(09/16 02:53:00) Whilyam: Peace, CCN. Peace, TCT.
(09/16 02:53:11) Sam Byard: TCT wasn't saying anything... yes
(09/16 02:53:12) Ruby O'Degee: it is a violation of my privacy to use my real name in the cavern
(09/16 02:53:14) Sam Byard: yet
(09/16 02:53:20) Relayer Corps: dakro?
(09/16 02:53:26) Ruby O'Degee: I have never been [deleted] in the cavern
(09/16 02:53:39) Ruby O'Degee: please do not use it on the forums or in the cavern !
(09/16 02:53:43) Ruby O'Degee: thank you!
(09/16 02:53:47) Whilyam: It's hard to concentrate whilst I hear spitballs flying behind my head.
(09/16 02:53:53) Relayer Corps: Dakro? Any ideas?
(09/16 02:54:03) [Moderator]moirajane: Please everyone lets stay with the format
(09/16 02:54:08) Sam Byard: Ruby I'm afraid i'm going to have to say that CCN has made threats to TCT a lot worse that just giving a real name or two remember that
(09/16 02:54:20) Sam Byard: and this isn't the place
(09/16 02:54:24) Relayer Corps: ok. That's enough!
(09/16 02:54:26) Ruby O'Degee: You really don't want to gothere sam
(09/16 02:54:32) Abathyr: please
(09/16 02:54:33) Anthony: Sorry Ruby didn't know thats just what I always saw you called at TCT when you were there
(09/16 02:54:34) Sam Byard: believe me I wont
(09/16 02:54:35) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Please....
(09/16 02:54:36) Ruby O'Degee: I am talking about myu name
(09/16 02:54:38) [Moderator] Lfus: Dakro is not present
(09/16 02:54:41) Relayer Corps: please, both of you stop so we can hear from others!
(09/16 02:54:42) ireenquench: quit the bickering please everybody, not constructive not interesting
(09/16 02:54:45) Ruby O'Degee: my birthname
(09/16 02:54:49) Relayer Corps: ireen, your next
(09/16 02:55:00) Anthony: I wont do it again here
(09/16 02:55:00) ireenquench: ok
(09/16 02:55:05) Ruby O'Degee: I will post a complaint
(09/16 02:55:05) Relayer Corps: Ty
(09/16 02:55:10) Sam Byard: feel free
(09/16 02:55:15) Ruby O'Degee: I will!
(09/16 02:55:20) Whilyam: "Stop bickering among yourselves."
(09/16 02:55:23) [Relayer]DMom_2000: May we move on, please......
(09/16 02:55:25) Anthony: please lets just stop this
(09/16 02:55:28) Sam Byard: you have no grounds
(09/16 02:55:30) [Moderator]moirajane: If you two could pm each other
(09/16 02:55:30) ireenquench: I have a diff approach
(09/16 02:55:32) Relayer Corps: that is enough, or I will post a complaint against you both!
(09/16 02:55:34) Ruby O'Degee: How would you feel whily?
(09/16 02:55:53) Ruby O'Degee: I did not use anyone's namein here
(09/16 02:55:54) [Relayer]DMom_2000: we know how both of you feel.
(09/16 02:55:56) Ruby O'Degee: I have been polite
(09/16 02:56:04) Sam Byard: I'm prepared to stop this corps
(09/16 02:56:06) [Relayer]DMom_2000: But now the meeting has stopped
(09/16 02:56:10) Sam Byard: if you could continue
(09/16 02:56:13) Relayer Corps: you are comtinuing an argument. Both of you are.

(09/16 02:56:24) Relayer Corps: ireen has the floor
(09/16 02:56:50) ireenquench: My approach is currently the following: How can the explorer be in the loop?
(09/16 02:57:04) ireenquench: explorers want different things
(09/16 02:57:19) ireenquench: some want raw info some processed
(09/16 02:57:28) [Moderator] Lfus: (If you have a question for ireenquench, please PM Moirajane with the word question... Thank you)
(09/16 02:57:44) ireenquench: some want it in the cavern others elsewhere
(09/16 02:58:14) ireenquench: how can different types of formats be dvelopped that accomodate different types of explorers
(09/16 02:58:29) ireenquench: first of all, much more has to be available in the cavern
(09/16 02:58:54) ireenquench: many explorers come here and want to catch up
(09/16 02:59:01) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 02:59:02) ireenquench: relaying is good
(09/16 02:59:07) ireenquench: but we need more
(09/16 02:59:11) Relayer Corps: But limited
(09/16 02:59:31) ireenquench: we need for people who link down a little later to be able to catch up
(09/16 02:59:59) ireenquench: without them having to know all the folks that are in the loop, just nay explorer even the quietest one
(09/16 03:00:10) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(09/16 03:00:13) ireenquench: needs to know where to go to get his news
(09/16 03:00:22) Finn Dove nods his head
(09/16 03:00:44) ireenquench: aside from surface formats, i think the cavern formats need most work currently
(09/16 03:00:54) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 03:00:55) ireenquench: unfprtunately the KI is limited
(09/16 03:01:14) ireenquench: but it works allright for now
(09/16 03:01:27) ireenquench: imagers work too, mostly
(09/16 03:02:07) ireenquench: I dont want to make this any longer now... but I belive a key is to get together in grops and develop those cavern formats
(09/16 03:02:37) ireenquench: on organizing and structure
(09/16 03:03:03) ireenquench: I am not good at thinking up big plans
(09/16 03:03:12) ireenquench: I cant see that far ahead
(09/16 03:03:19) Relayer Corps: Lol
(09/16 03:03:22) [Relayer]DMom_2000 claps her hands
(09/16 03:03:29) Anthony: I agree that that end needs the most work
(09/16 03:03:41) Anthony: Its a tough area to get right
(09/16 03:03:41) ireenquench: and i think its currently not even necessary to come up with these meta structures
(09/16 03:03:52) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(09/16 03:04:04) ireenquench: I think structures can evolve aroud the formats for now
(09/16 03:04:26) From Relayer Corps: let us know when you are finished please
(09/16 03:04:54) ireenquench: formats work certain ways, becuase of technicalities , the needs of the consumers, and the abilities and ideas of the messanging folks
(09/16 03:05:24) ireenquench: these formats shout be the base of which structures evolve for now... let the people develop them
(09/16 03:05:55) ireenquench: so I think the next step would be to have a gathering...to brainstorm about formats
(09/16 03:06:10) ireenquench: both from the messengers and the consumers perspective
(09/16 03:06:23) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 03:06:28) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(09/16 03:06:34) ireenquench: and then start working on them, even if some things may be an experiment
(09/16 03:06:42) ireenquench: and it will go from there
(09/16 03:06:45) ireenquench: done
(09/16 03:06:49) [Moderator] Lfus: Sam Byard your question please...
(09/16 03:06:53) Sam Byard: I was wondering if your idea of having a means of new explorers seeing where to get the info would be by goign to the guild of messengers, and then having a list of links to the "official" members. This could not just be encorporated into my plan but many plans. Do you see this working ? also, I think meta structure is needed to show the need for the council. (but thats not a question :) )
(09/16 03:06:54) [Relayer]DMom_2000 claps her hands
(09/16 03:07:44) ireenquench: yes... links would be good as well... but I dont want them to have to go to a website
(09/16 03:08:04) Sam Byard: hood imager or KI to all explorers could work...
(09/16 03:08:14) Sam Byard: i didn't specify website ;)
(09/16 03:08:31) ireenquench: yes... just a place for news
(09/16 03:08:49) Relayer Corps: thend? Your up!
(09/16 03:08:57) Thend: Okay...
(09/16 03:09:01) ireenquench: it could also have live people in there , who pass on ki mail, answer news related questions, point to other news sorces
(09/16 03:09:11) ireenquench: next
(09/16 03:09:22) [Moderator] Lfus: no more questions ireen
(09/16 03:09:32) ireenquench wipes her forehead
(09/16 03:09:37) Sam Byard: of course, :) maybe somewhere saying though that the highest quality reporting would come from the websites of the members tho :)
(09/16 03:09:43) [Moderator]moirajane: lol
(09/16 03:09:54) Relayer Corps: thend?
(09/16 03:09:55) Thend: I think many of the services avaialbe through organizations here could have a Cavern equivalent...
(09/16 03:10:03) Sam Byard: just something alluding to the fact that there is more content avaliable outside of the cavern too
(09/16 03:10:12) Relayer Corps: sam, It's Thends turn
(09/16 03:10:26) Sam Byard: sorry :)
(09/16 03:10:34) [Moderator] Lfus: (If you have a question for Thend, please PM Moirajane with the word question... thanks)
(09/16 03:10:36) Sam Byard: trying to sneak that in but he talked :)
(09/16 03:11:00) Thend: The whole point of what is done on web is certered around the Cavern anyway, and as ireen said, many, many folks just come down here to be filled in, not to just be pointed back to where they came from, a weblink...
(09/16 03:11:28) Relayer Corps: Lol
(09/16 03:12:36) Thend: I can see podcasts, radio stuff, newsletters, interviews, etc, being produced down here as a show, events, drawing more people in. Much of the services are 'preaching to the converted', we need new explorers in the Cavern, and when they get here, to find info and that it's an interesting place....
(09/16 03:13:16) Thend: At best, folks will like these In-Cavern shows' content and check out the larger amount of stuff in their leisure on the Surface
(09/16 03:13:36) Thend: I wanna mention some stuff from my own experience...
(09/16 03:14:35) Thend: KI Chain, started on the fly, filled a need las t episode, was not complicated, had to be over=talked - just got ireen in the loop and did the thing, and folks, from what I hear, responded favorably...
(09/16 03:14:59) Thend: See a need, fill it...
(09/16 03:15:00) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 03:15:28) Thend: Another thing. It wasn't ONLY to keep explorers in the loop down here, but to empower each and every one...
(09/16 03:15:53) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(09/16 03:15:55) jumpingjackflash claps for KI toons
(09/16 03:16:10) Thend: I've heard alotta talk about how 'regular' explorers are just that, somehow seperate from the 'organization'...
(09/16 03:16:21) [Relayer]DMom_2000 thinks we need a way to get KI toons on KI mail
(09/16 03:16:27) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 03:16:45) Thend: Thing is, I think that those same explorers have the same views as the organizations sometimes do of them, too...
(09/16 03:17:31) Thend: With KI Cahain, EVERy expolorer participated, who wished to. To my mind, and I say officially under the Explorers Appreciation Society (EASY, aka Slipcrackers...
(09/16 03:18:10) Thend: That they are NOW and 'organization' as well, and thus deserve equal representation, if one chooses to look at explorers as seperate in any way...
(09/16 03:18:46) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 03:19:09) Thend: This hierchy thing - the DRC will impose that. We need, as ireen said again, to see how we can SERVE the Cavern,IN-Cavern. Nothing more...
(09/16 03:19:20) [Relayer] Kerryth claps her hands
(09/16 03:19:24) [Relayer]DMom_2000 claps her hands
(09/16 03:19:31) Relayer Corps claps her hands
(09/16 03:19:55) [Moderator]moirajane: (If you have a question or comment for Thend, please PM me with the word "Qeustion")
(09/16 03:20:00) Thend: Popularity, and one thing becoming the norm over another? Hah. I started out with nothing there way back, but my method hasn't chanegd at all...
(09/16 03:20:43) Thend: I saw stuff that I wanted to see, and talked to enough folks In-Cavern and saw that it might be something THEY wanted to see as well, and so just did it...
(09/16 03:21:09) Thend: You can't forcefeed anything here. It's a mistake to think otherwise...
(09/16 03:21:15) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 03:21:47) Thend: People gravitate to what they wish, that's choice, free-market, Non-monopoly...
(09/16 03:22:37) Thend: This is not to say that you don't need to put in a lot of effort to get things done, like a newsboy on a street corner yelling 'EXTREE EXTREE!'
(09/16 03:23:05) Thend: But if it's not something folks want, then you can't become a nuisance either...
(09/16 03:24:39) Thend: That's about it. Everything I've experienced has gone this way, for the most part. See what is missing, fill it, if it's as needed as you think, it'll be picked up...
(09/16 03:24:56) [Moderator]moirajane: Sam has the first question
(09/16 03:25:11) Thend: Just bring it back to the Cavern. I'm all talked out now lol Next?
(09/16 03:25:16) Sam Byard: for reliable and sustainable in-cavern news cyan would have to implement a quick dilevery system so a chain or other sorts could be activated queickly withought too much effort (otherwise losing sustainability) what sort of implimentations do you see working on a quick timescale ?
(09/16 03:25:25) Sam Byard: that is what I call short too
(09/16 03:26:10) Sam Byard: i refer to sustainability as the process in which explorers running the system dont have to put so much effort in that its unfeasible and not sustainable
(09/16 03:26:17) Thend: Sam, what news do you refer to? KI Chain was a test-run, but at best, it was updated in real-time, by me or ireen
(09/16 03:26:47) Sam Byard: maybe videos in cavern or a quick KI messege dispersal system
(09/16 03:27:38) [Moderator]moirajane: Anthony has the next question
(09/16 03:27:41) Anthony: How would you deal with things like production level of TCT or the Archiver? The production quality of the both TCT and the Archiver rely on some specialised tools that would not translate in to the cavern very well so what would you do there?
(09/16 03:27:57) Thend: I, and any organization out there, can NOT do it without EVERYone in the Cavern watching their back and being empowered
(09/16 03:28:43) Thend: (mistyped Sam' response-) Nothing is quicker than the explorers themselves with something they like and wish to promote
(09/16 03:28:55) Thend: Anthony...
(09/16 03:29:36) [Moderator]moirajane: DMom you are up
(09/16 03:29:39) [Relayer]DMom_2000: do you think your KI Chain this episode helped empower a lot of explorers? They got it from someone and it was something they could do for others by passing it on....they in turn empowered others don't you think?
(09/16 03:29:43) [Moderator]moirajane: sorry
(09/16 03:30:35) Thend: I'd say news blips, text and/or shows that are held in the Cavern, recitations, etc. KI Chain, and especially any Imager-based KI Chain, by necessity, have to be pared down to the bare bones. Do the same, get the most important, succinct, content together, broadcast that one way or anotheer directly down here
(09/16 03:30:36) [Moderator]moirajane: I am sorry Thend
(09/16 03:31:25) Thend: If folks wanna follow it up on the web, well, they are now informed, and have the choice to ask around In-Cavern, AND go to the sites
(09/16 03:33:05) Thend: Dudemom, I watched carefully the KI Chain progression from a lot of perspectives, knowing the discussions that go on here, and for my own research and In-Cavern focus. Yes, I think it empowered many, I got many, many positive responses and thanks. I could have even done more, and will next Busy Week, but the test-run was a success
(09/16 03:33:48) Relayer Corps: Linville, your up.
(09/16 03:33:55) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Do you think your KI Chain this episode helped eI sent out that KI Chain and got many positive responses and even though I didnt originate it, I felt good about doing it
(09/16 03:33:55) Linville: I tend to agree with Ruby's, Thend's and Ireen's views. I think we need to step back and remember we are talking MESSENGERS, not controllers of information....
(09/16 03:34:08) Relayer Corps: sorry, Looks like I jumped the gun
(09/16 03:34:28) Relayer Corps: Maybe not.
(09/16 03:34:32) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Sorry didnt delete all the previous....
(09/16 03:34:38) Relayer Corps: Lol
(09/16 03:34:47) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Just commenting about how the KI Chain worked well...ok I am done..
(09/16 03:34:53) Relayer Corps: Ok
(09/16 03:35:12) jumpingjackflash: news letter vs newspaper
(09/16 03:35:12) Relayer Corps: linville, do you have anything more to add to your statwement?
(09/16 03:35:28) Linville: The GoM by it name in the scantioned "new source."
(09/16 03:36:00) Linville: Independents should be viewed as resources.
(09/16 03:36:22) [Moderator]moirajane: (If you have a question or comment for Linville please pm me with the word "question")
(09/16 03:36:34) Thend: Personally, if I don't see something getting done that benefits explorers and the Cavern, especially In-Cavern, I will do it regardless of any Guild, etc
(09/16 03:37:30) Thend: But if the Guilds move in that direction, involving everyone, keeping everyone in the loop, bringing people in and interest up - then cool all around :)
(09/16 03:37:35) Linville: The vehicles of compling, collecting and distributing info will be a big task alone without trying to control other sources.
(09/16 03:37:39) Thend: Next
(09/16 03:37:58) Thend: How so Linville?
(09/16 03:38:47) Linville: How so to what?
(09/16 03:39:04) Thend: The control other resources thing
(09/16 03:39:44) Abathyr is confused
(09/16 03:39:44) Linville: Oh, I don't agree with controlling other sources.
(09/16 03:39:50) Thend: (Oh shoot, I was taking that as a question, missed a block of chat - sorry, sorry!)
(09/16 03:40:05) Anthony: lol
(09/16 03:40:47) Linville: How we do this is what this group is for. it's a beginning step.
(09/16 03:40:52) Linville: Next
(09/16 03:41:10) [Moderator]moirajane: are there any more comments for Linville?
(09/16 03:41:21) [Moderator]moirajane: Next speaker then

(09/16 03:41:40) Relayer Corps: krYaXx
(09/16 03:41:43) Relayer Corps: Your up
(09/16 03:41:49) Veralun: I like to see a GOM inwhere as much as possible talents in the Cavern have the oppertunity to work in the Gom.That starts already with the start. Now the start is with a small group coming from organisations. I think that was a wrong start because you will miss a lot of good and qualified ppl to form a Guild. Better was to call those ppl who are interested in founding a GOM and not inviting organisations. So I like to see a start with all possible interested ppl. Voting etc should........
(09/16 03:41:58) Veralun: oops sorry
(09/16 03:42:04) Relayer Corps: Lol
(09/16 03:42:06) Veralun: to early
(09/16 03:42:09) Sam Byard: i feel your pain in that one Veralun
(09/16 03:42:16) [Moderator]moirajane: ooh me too
(09/16 03:42:50) Whilyam: I'll have to pass voicing my idea here as it's late. Goodnight, all.
(09/16 03:42:54) Relayer Corps: krYaXx, your up
(09/16 03:43:04) Relayer Corps: sorry, they left
(09/16 03:43:11) [Moderator]moirajane: I think he is gone
(09/16 03:43:13) Relayer Corps: whilyam
(09/16 03:43:17) Relayer Corps: Your up
(09/16 03:43:27) [Relayer]DMom_2000: he is gone
(09/16 03:43:36) Sam Byard: whily passed
(09/16 03:43:46) Whilyam: My turn
(09/16 03:43:50) [Moderator]moirajane: i told him to come back1
(09/16 03:43:50) Whilyam: ?
(09/16 03:43:51) jumpingjackflash: lol
(09/16 03:43:52) [Relayer]DMom_2000: oh he is back!
(09/16 03:43:58) [Relayer]DMom_2000: thought you left Whily!
(09/16 03:44:02) [Relayer]DMom_2000: wb!
(09/16 03:44:03) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(09/16 03:44:04) [Moderator]moirajane: Yes your turn to speak
(09/16 03:44:07) Veralun: sorry ppl I have to go
(09/16 03:44:10) Relayer Corps: whilyam, what is your idea for the GOM?
(09/16 03:44:15) Whilyam: Alright...
(09/16 03:44:23) Relayer Corps: we'll see you later Veralun.
(09/16 03:44:24) Veralun: I waited long enough, but I need some sleep
(09/16 03:44:24) [Relayer]DMom_2000: night Veralun, thanks for coming
(09/16 03:44:26) Relayer Corps: thanks for coming
(09/16 03:44:42) Relayer Corps: sorry Veralun
(09/16 03:44:47) Veralun: forget my opinion
(09/16 03:44:47) Whilyam: Keep in mind this is from someone who neither belongs to the messengers nor the member orgs.
(09/16 03:45:26) Whilyam: When I first weighed in on this pre-guild, I believed that reps from each group forming essential rules they had learned over the years would be best.
(09/16 03:45:49) Whilyam: However, I saw a remarkable thing in the Writers preguild that I think could help here.
(09/16 03:46:23) Whilyam: It would be painful, but it would also forge a tigher community and give this pre-guild a more powerful voice.
(09/16 03:46:50) Whilyam: Quite simply, I saw that the various age-building orgs were going to freely and without discussion, dissolve.
(09/16 03:47:15) Whilyam: To destroy all bonds they had to their old organizations and become the one Guild of Writers.
(09/16 03:47:21) Relayer Corps cringes
(09/16 03:47:24) Relayer Corps: Lol
(09/16 03:47:48) Whilyam: Obviously this isn't as simple for the messengers.
(09/16 03:48:34) Whilyam: However, if it could be done many issues of finding info would be gone.
(09/16 03:48:39) [Relayer]DMom_2000: (please pm [Relayer]DMom_2000 with your word question to get on the list)
(09/16 03:49:10) Whilyam: No thousand and one forums to find info at for one.
(09/16 03:50:02) Whilyam: It would also unite those who supported the guild in a single group that had as many opinions in it as it could. Open to all with no reps, liaisons, or organizations.
(09/16 03:50:48) Whilyam: That is all.
(09/16 03:50:54) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Sam you are up
(09/16 03:50:54) Whilyam: And now I really do have to go...
(09/16 03:51:07) Thend says hey
(09/16 03:51:10) Relayer Corps: Do you have time for questions Whilyam?
(09/16 03:51:16) Sam Byard: I'd like to use as a point of reference that hte age building community comes from alcugs where they were all as one body, they then split of to form seperate organisations however each organisation contained mostly the same membership as the original one. Taking that into account WHY do you push on the guild of messengers organisations destroying everything they have worked so hard to build, licenses, legal permission EVERYTHING !
(09/16 03:51:25) Sam Byard: 5 lines !!
(09/16 03:51:55) Sam Byard cringes
(09/16 03:51:57) Whilyam: Sam, whatever it may be ... Watson told me you're wrong... you're destroying the spirit of Uru... evil evil evil... that sums it up. (kidding... :P)
(09/16 03:51:57) Relayer Corps: sam, he is not pushing
(09/16 03:52:02) Relayer Corps: he is explaining his ideas
(09/16 03:52:24) Whilyam: I agree it's not the most efficient Sam
(09/16 03:52:33) Whilyam: But I don't think we should look for efficient.
(09/16 03:52:39) jumpingjackflash offers sam some chamomile tea
(09/16 03:52:39) Sam Byard: I use pushing as a term because its not the first time whily said it thats all, there is no enforcing involved
(09/16 03:53:04) Relayer Corps: Et tu Sam
(09/16 03:53:06) Whilyam: I think we should look to what would include new people the best... and this is what I came up with..
(09/16 03:53:14) Whilyam bows
(09/16 03:53:19) Whilyam: Time to go.
(09/16 03:53:22) Relayer Corps: any other questions?
(09/16 03:53:23) [Relayer]DMom_2000: thank you Whily nicely said.
(09/16 03:53:23) Sam Byard: bye
(09/16 03:53:29) Relayer Corps: bye Whilyam
(09/16 03:53:30) Anthony: bye Whil
(09/16 03:53:32) Whilyam snaps his fingers and bursts into flames
(09/16 03:53:35) [Relayer]DMom_2000: night Whily
(09/16 03:53:39) Relayer Corps: asobe, your next.
(09/16 03:53:42) Asobe: I dont have as much as i would like to spend here..so i have a stuctural sugestion. a job list.... Field eye , listener, relayer ,guild joint.a field eye would report when they see to their desgnated listener, is something any mes can do which would give you many eyes. for the more dedicated the lister listens to the field eyes and filters the news to give to relayers for broadcast...And guild joints to keep info flowin between guilds. space limited i have more thoughts-;realtime simple fast
(09/16 03:54:03) Anthony: lol
(09/16 03:54:19) Relayer Corps: Lol
(09/16 03:54:26) [Relayer]DMom_2000: (pls pm me with the word question)
(09/16 03:54:31) Sam Byard: concise and to the point
(09/16 03:54:46) Relayer Corps: Nice. Any questions?
(09/16 03:54:51) Asobe: You could even have levels of eyes
(09/16 03:55:04) Asobe: like casual eyes and trusted eyes
(09/16 03:55:39) Asobe: trusteds get through the listeners faster
(09/16 03:56:16) Relayer Corps: any questions?
(09/16 03:56:26) Relayer Corps: jumpingjack, your next
(09/16 03:56:53) Anthony: not here?
(09/16 03:56:59) Relayer Corps: Sorry
(09/16 03:57:02) Relayer Corps: Petfam
(09/16 03:57:15) Relayer Corps: Your up
(09/16 03:58:00) Relayer Corps: please let me know if you are typing.
(09/16 03:58:06) Relayer Corps: Lol
(09/16 03:58:12) Sam Byard: I'm typing but its not to you :)
(09/16 03:58:17) Relayer Corps: Rotfl
(09/16 03:58:21) Relayer Corps: i meant petfam
(09/16 03:58:28) Anthony: lol
(09/16 03:58:29) Sam Byard: all i can say to that
(09/16 03:58:29) Thend starts to laugh
(09/16 03:58:33) Sam Byard: O'RLY
(09/16 03:58:49) Anthony: good to let things lighten up a bit
(09/16 03:58:54) Relayer Corps: anthony. Your up
(09/16 03:58:58) Anthony: ok
(09/16 03:59:49) Anthony: Alright every one you know me pretty well I've been working on this stuff for a while and before that and now TCT
(09/16 04:00:07) Anthony: My plan is from the rep one
(09/16 04:00:43) Anthony: I'm going to give a general idea but paint in a few of the detail so that you have a clearer view
(09/16 04:00:47) [Relayer]DMom_2000: (pls pm me with the word question if you want to ask a question)
(09/16 04:00:56) Anthony: OK
(09/16 04:01:04) [Relayer]DMom_2000: not you anthony you are up
(09/16 04:01:05) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(09/16 04:01:14) Anthony: I know lol
(09/16 04:01:27) Relayer Corps: Brb
(09/16 04:01:47) Relayer Corps: (Finn Dove is up after the questions for Anthony)
(09/16 04:01:59) Anthony: The system would have a administerative council I stress administerative not any real power
(09/16 04:02:24) Anthony: handles day to day stuff to keep it running
(09/16 04:03:04) Relayer Corps: Back
(09/16 04:03:24) Anthony: groups would get to pick an equal number of reps so that there is equallity in the guild I do not wish to see any body
09/16 04:03:58) Anthony: trying to get more power just because there group has more members that would be a disaster in the end
(09/16 04:04:08) Anthony: now as for the indies
(09/16 04:04:18) Anthony: and nongroupers
(09/16 04:04:50) Anthony: they would still get there ablity to be in the guild
(09/16 04:05:11) Anthony: I propose a system where they are in a way treated as a group
(09/16 04:05:26) Anthony: they get to have a rep and put it on the council too
(09/16 04:06:18) Anthony: now you might say how can this work they are indy and don't want to be grouped or the rep will be unfair as there will be so many
(09/16 04:07:15) Anthony: but they will not be forced to be a group only to have a rep they can freely keep going on there independant ways
(09/16 04:08:13) Anthony: and we can add reps for them or devide them up based on there focus and have a rep for each focus.
(09/16 04:09:20) Anthony: the guild could also have direct reporters to get the news if it wish
(09/16 04:10:13) Anthony: The point of this all is I desire a system that will encourage diversity in the cavern one that says hey you want to do that we can help you get there
(09/16 04:11:23) Anthony: not hey we are the guild and the beginning and ending of news or we wish to keep you out so we can maintain our control
(09/16 04:12:17) Anthony: the plan of the council system is to avoid such thing it keeps power diffuse and equal so that noone can try and collect it up
(09/16 04:13:16) Anthony: its a system to be inclusive the guild has nochoice if someone or a group joins if they are doing info
(09/16 04:14:40) Anthony: Its a system that tries to take the best the cavern has to offer and collect and put together in a way to helps the community rather then the silos the info is in now
(09/16 04:14:57) Anthony: its there to try and do the best for the community
(09/16 04:15:03) Anthony: ok I'm done
(09/16 04:15:09) Relayer Corps: any questions?
(09/16 04:15:18) [Moderator]moirajane: no
(09/16 04:15:20) Relayer Corps: finn Dove? Your up.
(09/16 04:15:23) Finn Dove: speaking as someone without any ties to any existing news organizations, as just an average explorer who wants to help - I would like to see the guild pull together all the disparate news sources and make them easily accessible to the explorers, and I would like to see especially an in-cavern newstand, or primitive equivelent (Kichain) until such a newstand could be made to exist. I don't need a guild to accumulate the news and offer a central dissemination point.
(09/16 04:15:52) Finn Dove: THere's a lot of amazing work being done out there now and I would not want the guild to discourage or interfere with any of it.
(09/16 04:15:54) Relayer Corps: Any questions?
(09/16 04:16:16) [Moderator]moirajane: no
(09/16 04:16:17) Relayer Corps: Tyion. You finally get your turn.
(09/16 04:16:20) Finn Dove: I'd hope the guild would act more like a registry for all of that, and focus on in-cavern news which is the piece missing.
(09/16 04:16:37) Relayer Corps: Sorry Finn. I thought you were done
(09/16 04:16:46) Finn Dove: :-) ok, now I am.
(09/16 04:16:58) Relayer Corps: lol ok. Tyion, now it's your turn
(09/16 04:17:19) Relayer Corps: Tyion? You awake?
(09/16 04:17:33) Relayer Corps: Do the moderators what to put their 2 cents worth in?
(09/16 04:17:54) [Moderator]moirajane: no
(09/16 04:17:56) Relayer Corps: lol
(09/16 04:17:59) [Moderator]moirajane: lol
(09/16 04:18:09) Relayer Corps: I want to thank everyone for coming and giving their input
(09/16 04:18:17) Sam Byard: its been a long one :)
(09/16 04:18:18) Relayer Corps: This will give us all a lot to think about.
(09/16 04:18:23) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(09/16 04:18:26) [Moderator]moirajane cheers
(09/16 04:18:33) ireenquench yawns
(09/16 04:18:36) Thend: Can I mention one last thing?
(09/16 04:18:36) [Relayer] Kerryth claps her hands
(09/16 04:18:42) Relayer Corps: Hopefully, this meeting will help bring us all together.
(09/16 04:18:54) Sam Byard: i've got a full log, anyone else planing on posting so i dont have to stay up another 3 hours editing
(09/16 04:19:08) Relayer Corps: Thank you all for coming and I thank those that were able to stay for the whole meeting.
(09/16 04:19:11) [Moderator]moirajane: thanks everyone for being such a great group
(09/16 04:19:20) Relayer Corps nods her head
(09/16 04:19:41) Relayer Corps: Does anyone have any final comments to make?
(09/16 04:19:42) Sam Byard: everyone want me to edit this ?
(09/16 04:19:51) Sam Byard: and post it up on MOUL guild forums
(09/16 04:19:57) Relayer Corps: not necessarily
(09/16 04:19:59) ireenquench: Relayer Corps, you posting the log ?
(09/16 04:20:11) Relayer Corps: I will post it Ireen
(09/16 04:20:15) Sam Byard: phew
(09/16 04:20:17) Sam Byard: relief
(09/16 04:20:19) Relayer Corps: as soon as we are done
(09/16 04:20:20) Anthony: lol
(09/16 04:20:25) Sam Byard: can you leave the whole thing in please...
(09/16 04:20:31) Sam Byard: just take out hood and PM ?
(09/16 04:20:38) [Moderator]moirajane: We told several who asked it would be on Relayercorps.org
(09/16 04:20:39) ireenquench: could you edit out Ahvrees name ? she feels strongly about this
(09/16 04:20:43) Relayer Corps: I will only edit the relayer chatter
(09/16 04:20:51) Relayer Corps: I will
(09/16 04:20:52) Thend: I just wanted to echo Lord Chaos' thing about a central website, all links to all oiur web things in little banner ads on homepage. In-Cavern productions tagged at end with the address. I tjhink anything we do int Caver, first, will only help folks know there's also our stuff out there oin the web, more than they do now, and they might check it out - so it helps all areas, that's it :)
(09/16 04:20:56) ireenquench: ty
(09/16 04:21:00) Relayer Corps: I will try to catch it all for her
(09/16 04:21:00) Sam Byard: ireen she posts that on forums...
(09/16 04:21:17) Sam Byard: but w/e
(09/16 04:21:24) Thend: And I wanna thanks the Relayers and everyone for being so cool tonight, and thanks fro the interesting discussions :)
(09/16 04:21:35) ireenquench: no her real real name, ahvree or ruby is fine as I understand
(09/16 04:21:47) Sam Byard: i'm talking about her real name...
(09/16 04:21:54) Relayer Corps: I'm glad we had such a great turn ouyt
(09/16 04:21:57) Thend nods his head
(09/16 04:21:58) ireenquench: sam no, that is private
(09/16 04:22:03) Anthony: I still find that weird she used it at TCT
(09/16 04:22:21) Relayer Corps: Doesn't matter. I will respect her wishes
(09/16 04:22:21) Thend: Very productive, IMO
(09/16 04:22:26) ireenquench: that was back when under different circumstances
(09/16 04:22:26) [Relayer]DMom_2000: well, who wants to go to Karaoke night?
(09/16 04:22:32) Anthony: but oh well I will be more careful in the future
(09/16 04:22:33) Thend: (This meting)
(09/16 04:22:41) Relayer Corps: Thanks again everyone. I';m going to post the log now.
(09/16 04:22:52) Sam Byard: great
(09/16 04:22:52) [Moderator]moirajane: I do mom :)
(09/16 04:22:56) [Moderator]moirajane: lol
(09/16 04:23:04) [Moderator]moirajane: bye all
(09/16 04:23:05) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I am going to change into my main avie for that see you there
(09/16 04:23:07) [Relayer] Kerryth: And I will say good night.
(09/16 04:23:09) [Relayer]DMom_2000: night all!
(09/16 04:23:13) [Relayer] Kerryth waves goodbye
(09/16 04:23:15) Thend waves goodbye
(09/16 04:23:15) ireenquench: night all
(09/16 04:23:23) Sam Byard: my god... that was the most URUy day I ever had
(09/16 04:23:24) ireenquench: I am sooo tired
(09/16 04:23:25) Linville: Good Night!
(09/16 04:23:31) Sam Byard: myst tree meetup then a 4 hour meeting
(09/16 04:23:37) ireenquench waves hello
(09/16 04:23:43) ireenquench: um
(09/16 04:23:45) ireenquench: i mean
(09/16 04:23:45) Sam Byard waves goodbye
(09/16 04:23:48) ireenquench waves goodbye

2008, April 6th Chatlog

(04/06 09:35:48) Chat.log started...
(04/06 09:35:56) blu 'nana: oops, forgot, in my changing mood to start log..
(04/06 09:36:05) Thend: Alderem, the LAST CALL thread tonight
(04/06 09:36:07) (Crier)_Nanouk: sorry for turning my back, but is is easier to see chat lines
(04/06 09:36:10) Thend: Big list of names
(04/06 09:36:20) Thend: Still only a fraction though
(04/06 09:36:31) Blade Lakem: Uru crashed on Alderem
(04/06 09:36:42) From Shimmerillion: thanks
(04/06 09:36:46) To Shimmerillion: np
(04/06 09:36:47) Altydwarber: great LC mentioned it already
(04/06 09:36:47) Thend: Does anyon think anyone would mind if I branched out, scoured for and posted, like, everyone's names in those worlds?
(04/06 09:37:00) Shimmerillion: i think that's a great idea, actually, thend
(04/06 09:37:21) (Crier)_Nanouk: yep
(04/06 09:37:30) Thend: I know, I just didn't wanna put folks' names on the web who didn't ask for it
(04/06 09:37:30) Blade Lakem: Sounds good, assuming people would want to be listed. Or do you mean people who have mentioned it?
(04/06 09:37:31) blu 'nana: i think everyone wants that ;)
(04/06 09:37:38) Shimmerillion: might be good to get permission, though
(04/06 09:37:48) Shimmerillion: i think most would give it
(04/06 09:37:51) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:38:06) Thend: The ones who mentioned are already there, it's the others I'm wondering about. Thought maybe do it with a disclaimer, like, if you want you name taken of, etc, etc
(04/06 09:38:15) blu 'nana: was it not in the original post? it's out in the forum
(04/06 09:38:36) Thend: Yes, but there are so many more who didn't post on Who's Who
(04/06 09:38:45) blu 'nana: true
(04/06 09:38:51) Blade Lakem: I think all you can do is ping people and ask them
(04/06 09:39:10) Thend: Like I said though, experience is best, and the lists are a great start, more than enough to get going once there
(04/06 09:39:25) Thend: Yeah, maybe, lotta pings though Blade lol
(04/06 09:39:30) Blade Lakem shrugs
(04/06 09:39:39) blu 'nana: maybe another form? :)
(04/06 09:39:40) Thend: I'll sniff around lol
(04/06 09:39:49) Blade Lakem: I think tha there is no easy way to keep peopel connected. It's gonna take a lot of work in all mediums
(04/06 09:40:06) Thend: Well, in-game, SL, there's a list that will be passed out when one gets there, so that takes care of that
(04/06 09:40:06) _Narym_: This is true
(04/06 09:40:10) Shimmerillion: yeah, we could do another form if need be, but it seems like if we already have all the names ... why recollect them
(04/06 09:40:25) blu 'nana: we can list the cotacts/groups in the worlds
(04/06 09:40:41) Thend: I think other online worlds with Uruites just need to form a hub. There is close to that too
(04/06 09:40:47) Blade Lakem: brb
(04/06 09:40:49) Shimmerillion: if there is a main contact for each world, maybe we could ask that person to collect permission from everyone
(04/06 09:40:54) Thend: And GW has Guilds ad an Alliance
(04/06 09:41:01) Altydwarber: I think the best way is to tell them to keep an eye on the forum and for therest I think we have to have patience, who knows what the future brings:)
(04/06 09:41:05) Shimmerillion: hi kerryth
(04/06 09:41:09) [Relayer] Kerryth: Shorah! I'm sorry to be late.
(04/06 09:41:10) _Narym_: shorah Kerryth
(04/06 09:41:13) Thend: Hello Kerryth
(04/06 09:41:14) Shimmerillion: sok
(04/06 09:41:14) _Narym_: nah, that's cool
(04/06 09:41:17) blu 'nana: hi kerryth
(04/06 09:41:19) Altydwarber: shorah kerryth
(04/06 09:41:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: Just got home.
(04/06 09:41:31) _Narym_: Marten/Alderem will be back with us in just a mo
(04/06 09:41:36) _Narym_: speak of the devil... :P
(04/06 09:41:37) blu 'nana: welcome home ;)
(04/06 09:41:45) Altydwarber: wb
(04/06 09:41:45) Shimmerillion: wb
(04/06 09:41:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: ;)
(04/06 09:41:48) Alderem: That was interestnig. Thanks.
(04/06 09:41:51) Thend: Understood Alty, though the situation has changed a bit from past incarnations
(04/06 09:42:16) Blade Lakem: back
(04/06 09:42:23) Thend: Wb Blade
(04/06 09:42:31) Altydwarber: wb blade
(04/06 09:43:11) _Narym_: Shorah Ti'chelle
(04/06 09:43:16) Thend: Hello Ti
(04/06 09:43:21) [Relayer] Kerryth: Hi, Ti
(04/06 09:43:22) blu 'nana: hi Ti'chelle
(04/06 09:43:25) Ti'chelle: Shorah everyone,
(04/06 09:43:25) Blade Lakem: We're gonna start a chat Channel on City of Heroes for Uru people...
(04/06 09:43:27) Alderem: Shorah, Ti'chelle!
(04/06 09:43:35) Thend: That's very good Blade
(04/06 09:43:35) Blade Lakem: Shorah Ti'Chelle
(04/06 09:43:46) Alderem noticed CoH/CoV is only $20 now
(04/06 09:43:47) Altydwarber: shorah ti'chelle
(04/06 09:44:03) Blade Lakem: It's a fun game if you like action and/or superheroes
(04/06 09:44:14) Ti'chelle: Do you mind if I join in? A little late in the game.
(04/06 09:44:19) Thend: I can see that Blade
(04/06 09:44:22) Blade Lakem: we haven't really started yet
(04/06 09:44:25) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 09:44:31) Thend thinks 'So many worlds, so little time'
(04/06 09:44:41) Altydwarber: oh yes indeed thend
(04/06 09:44:57) Blade Lakem: So, we ready to have a meeting?
(04/06 09:45:06) _Narym_: Yes, I think we are
(04/06 09:45:10) Blade Lakem cheers
(04/06 09:45:11) Shimmerillion: i would like to take a picture first if that's ok ...
(04/06 09:45:16) Thend nods his head
(04/06 09:45:17) Altydwarber: yeah
(04/06 09:45:26) Shimmerillion: we could gather around the bench and get everyone that way
(04/06 09:45:28) (Crier)_Nanouk: if only Gametap people could make up their mind
(04/06 09:45:43) Thend: Oh, a picture of US, right lol
(04/06 09:45:51) Shimmerillion: i have to sit down to take it lol
(04/06 09:45:52) Error: Don't know how to '/damce'
(04/06 09:45:55) _Narym_ does a dance
(04/06 09:46:01) Shimmerillion: thend, could you scoot in please?
(04/06 09:46:18) Thend: I think the Uru Community deserves more, in a lot of ways, that what they've been getting/offered
(04/06 09:46:19) Shimmerillion: Narym, scoot to the right
(04/06 09:46:33) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:46:34) (Crier)_Nanouk: Narym go right a bit
(04/06 09:46:38) Shimmerillion: ok everyone say cheese!
(04/06 09:46:44) _Narym_ waves hello
(04/06 09:46:44) Alderem: Cheesy!
(04/06 09:46:45) [Relayer] Kerryth: cheese
(04/06 09:46:48) Thend: Squeeee!
(04/06 09:46:48) Altydwarber: kaas
(04/06 09:46:54) Ti'chelle: Just in case some of you are wondering, I have been on the fringe of the GoMe and wanted to stay in touch.
(04/06 09:46:57) _Narym_: chicken!
(04/06 09:46:57) Alderem: Brie!
(04/06 09:46:58) blu 'nana: tsiis
(04/06 09:47:02) Shimmerillion: got it!
(04/06 09:47:05) _Narym_: camembert!
(04/06 09:47:10) Shimmerillion: thanks
(04/06 09:47:11) [Relayer] Kerryth: Me too. I've not been to a meeting in months.
(04/06 09:47:12) Blade Lakem: You are very welcome here Ti'chelle :)
(04/06 09:47:19) Ti'chelle: Thanks!
(04/06 09:47:20) Alderem: That is good to hear Ti'chelle :) I think we all hope you keep in touch with us
(04/06 09:47:22) Thend tells Ti to just act like she belongs here, works for him lol
(04/06 09:47:33) BIG thumbs up from Blade Lakem
(04/06 09:47:39) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 09:47:50) Ti'chelle: Acch, once a Relayer always a Relayer1
(04/06 09:47:56) Alderem: :D
(04/06 09:47:59) [Relayer] Kerryth: Aw, thank you. looks good.
(04/06 09:48:11) Thend is seeing yellow
(04/06 09:48:19) Alderem: Nice picture!
(04/06 09:48:22) Thend: Cool Shimmer, thx
(04/06 09:48:24) _Narym_: its everwhere!!! argh!!!
(04/06 09:48:24) blu 'nana: wow ty
(04/06 09:48:31) Ti'chelle: This Guild Hall is so beautiful,,,,we must get it back somehow.
(04/06 09:48:33) Thend: Lol
(04/06 09:48:34) Shimmerillion: did everyone get it?
(04/06 09:48:34) [Relayer] Kerryth: Gold. It's gold.
(04/06 09:48:37) Altydwarber: haven't got one
(04/06 09:48:37) Alderem agrees :)
(04/06 09:48:39) Blade Lakem: save that one out for the arhives, Shimmer :)
(04/06 09:48:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes. Thank you.
(04/06 09:48:48) _Narym_: nice pick
(04/06 09:48:53) Blade Lakem: Yeah, and the Maintainers are pink ;)
(04/06 09:48:59) Ti'chelle: Yes, got it. Thank you!
(04/06 09:49:05) Thend: Blade now be nice
(04/06 09:49:07) _Narym_: lol but next time, everyone needs to wear yellow darnit!!!!!
(04/06 09:49:10) Thend snickers anyhow
(04/06 09:49:12) Blade Lakem laugh
(04/06 09:49:15) Blade Lakem laughs
(04/06 09:49:18) [Relayer] Kerryth: Didn't have time to change. :(
(04/06 09:49:24) _Narym_: especially you, Thend :P
(04/06 09:49:25) Altydwarber: lol had no time tochange
(04/06 09:49:30) Alderem: I prefer to think of the Maintainers' color being that of delicious grapefruit.
(04/06 09:49:31) Thend shrugs
(04/06 09:49:33) [Relayer] Kerryth cheers
(04/06 09:49:35) _Narym_: Yellow is the new black, dontcha know :P
(04/06 09:49:35) Ti'chelle: Thend is in his mourning clothes
(04/06 09:49:45) [Relayer] Kerryth: Grapefruit! Love it.
(04/06 09:49:46) _Narym_: ah, fair enough. my bad
(04/06 09:49:46) Thend: You're lucky I'm in black instead of red
(04/06 09:49:46) Altydwarber: shim can ou send me one too?
(04/06 09:49:49) Shimmerillion: yes, i got a printscreen as well as a KI pic
(04/06 09:50:05) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes, why ARE you still in black, Thend?
(04/06 09:50:07) Shimmerillion: oops, sorry, alty, there you go
(04/06 09:50:09) Alderem: Black is mysterious.
(04/06 09:50:18) Blade Lakem: Thend IS the new black.
(04/06 09:50:22) Ti'chelle laughs
(04/06 09:50:23) _Narym_: :O
(04/06 09:50:23) [Relayer] Kerryth: lol
(04/06 09:50:24) Thend: What Ti said, started with a goth party, went on from there. Seemed appropriate
(04/06 09:50:28) Shimmerillion: lol blade
(04/06 09:50:30) Thend: Lol Blade
(04/06 09:50:42) Altydwarber: still no pic. here:(
(04/06 09:50:46) _Narym_: and that's a brilliant segue into the meeting.. :P
(04/06 09:50:56) Thend: Heh heh
(04/06 09:50:56) Blade Lakem: woo!
(04/06 09:51:21) Ti'chelle: Oh and Alty, LC's announcement let me know to come here instead of the hood! Godd idea.
(04/06 09:51:33) Altydwarber: thanks
(04/06 09:51:35) Thumbs up from Blade Lakem
(04/06 09:51:35) To Alderem: Are you gonna chair?
(04/06 09:51:35) Thend: Cool
(04/06 09:51:39) Shimmerillion: is someone logging?
(04/06 09:51:43) _Narym_: me
(04/06 09:51:47) Shimmerillion: thanks
(04/06 09:51:48) [Relayer] Kerryth: yes
(04/06 09:51:54) _Narym_: but the more, the merrier :D
(04/06 09:51:56) From Alderem: Not going to chair today.
(04/06 09:51:59) Shimmerillion: true
(04/06 09:52:06) Blade Lakem: okie :) let's meet then ;) Whats on the agenda?
(04/06 09:52:13) To Alderem: so who is?
(04/06 09:52:16) Thend looks around for a bit
(04/06 09:52:40) From Alderem: You or shimmer?
(04/06 09:52:40) From Alderem: Or Blade if he likes.
(04/06 09:52:43) Shimmerillion: lynnutte's on her way

Meeting starts here

(04/06 09:52:47) Alderem: First, we figure out who is running the meeting.
(04/06 09:52:48) Blade Lakem cheers
(04/06 09:52:49) _Narym_: lol cool
(04/06 09:52:51) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 09:52:52) Thend: Has anything been discussed, Messy-wise, in the forums?
(04/06 09:52:52) Alderem cheers
(04/06 09:53:09) Shimmerillion: we've been talking about guild structure
(04/06 09:53:14) _Narym_: WEll, Blade's offered up the Myst Headlines service to the Guilds
(04/06 09:53:17) Thend: Still?! lol
(04/06 09:53:22) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 09:53:30) Blade Lakem shrugs
(04/06 09:53:30) Thend: Ah cool Blade
(04/06 09:53:34) Blade Lakem: No one has been willing to seize power so far
(04/06 09:53:36) blu 'nana claps her hands
(04/06 09:53:40) Thend: Hmm
(04/06 09:53:40) _Narym_: well, we'd like to
(04/06 09:53:46) Thend starts to laugh
(04/06 09:53:47) Shimmerillion: LOL
(04/06 09:53:49) Shimmerillion roars with laughter
(04/06 09:53:51) [Relayer] Kerryth: Seize power?
(04/06 09:54:01) _Narym_: Its the revolution
(04/06 09:54:05) Blade Lakem: Er, I mean, take on managerial responsibility
(04/06 09:54:09) (Crier)_Nanouk: powers are only for the Gods...lol
(04/06 09:54:09) _Narym_: Haven't you heard?
(04/06 09:54:10) Shimmerillion: right
(04/06 09:54:14) [Relayer] Kerryth: In Uru that means you do the work.
(04/06 09:54:19) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:54:22) Ti'chelle: A coup?
(04/06 09:54:27) _Narym_: shorah Lyn
(04/06 09:54:32) Thend: Okay, how does future Mess stuff relate to the current situation?
(04/06 09:54:32) Shimmerillion: hey rc
(04/06 09:54:38) Thend: Hello Lynnutte
(04/06 09:54:39) Altydwarber: shorah Lyn
(04/06 09:54:42) [Relayer] Kerryth: Hi, RC
(04/06 09:54:42) Blade Lakem: Shorah Lyn!
(04/06 09:54:49) Ti'chelle: Hey Lyn
(04/06 09:54:53) Relayer Corps: hi. Sorry i'm late.
(04/06 09:54:54) blu 'nana: hi lynutte
(04/06 09:54:58) [Relayer] Kerryth: We gather around the link in spot to unnerve latecomers.
(04/06 09:55:02) Shimmerillion: Lynnutte, remind me to get your picture before we leave so I can photoshop it into the group one
(04/06 09:55:05) Relayer Corps: internet problems. I'm at Barnes and Noble now
(04/06 09:55:07) Thend: It's only by an hour Lynnutte, np
(04/06 09:55:09) Blade Lakem: So, yeah, let's talk Guild structure and nail it down
(04/06 09:55:11) Shimmerillion: lol kerryth
(04/06 09:55:27) [Relayer] Kerryth: Standard practice. ;)
(04/06 09:55:31) Shimmerillion: has everyone had a chance to read through that thread?
(04/06 09:55:31) (Crier)_Nanouk: shorahlyn sounds like a chineese word...lol
(04/06 09:55:32) _Narym_: I thought Shimmer's idea of 'chairs' was rather good
(04/06 09:55:32) Relayer Corps feels so guilty for being late
(04/06 09:55:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm afraid I have not followed it.
(04/06 09:55:49) Blade Lakem: Narym, agreed
(04/06 09:55:49) Relayer Corps: i think it's good too
(04/06 09:55:49) Thend: Heck no, Shim. In fact, I avoid most threads at all costs
(04/06 09:55:57) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 09:55:57) _Narym_: Shimmer, do you want to give us a quick run down?
(04/06 09:56:12) Alderem: Threads have a nasty habit of unraveling. Don't pull on them.
(04/06 09:56:21) Relayer Corps: Lol
(04/06 09:56:27) Thend: Kinda impersonal too, IMO
(04/06 09:56:27) Shimmerillion: ok, well my idea was basically to have 1 guild master or mistress, basically a facilitator of everyone else, and four "chair" positions
(04/06 09:56:40) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:56:47) Shimmerillion: as in academia, each chair is an elected member of a group of related peers
(04/06 09:57:03) Thend: What if one has no peers?
(04/06 09:57:08) Shimmerillion: for example, you have the "services" group, which consists of project heads from the newsletter, rel.to, the website, etc.
(04/06 09:57:15) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 09:57:22) Relayer Corps: are you saying your better than us Thend??
(04/06 09:57:27) Relayer Corps: Lol
(04/06 09:57:30) Shimmerillion: so the services group elects a leader to represent them in guild discussions
(04/06 09:57:32) _Narym_: either, that, or he's worse
(04/06 09:57:42) Thend: I said nothing of the sort. Let's stay on topic, please lol
(04/06 09:57:42) Relayer Corps: He's worse
(04/06 09:57:47) Relayer Corps: Lol sorry
(04/06 09:57:52) Ti'chelle: His peers are all secret so he has no peers
(04/06 09:58:03) Shimmerillion: the chair is not a permanent position, and can change if someone gets overloaded or other issues come up, without negative repurcussions on anyone
(04/06 09:58:03) _Narym_: you started it, Thend:P But in any case, continue shimmer
(04/06 09:58:27) Thend shrugs
(04/06 09:58:35) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 09:58:50) Relayer Corps: i think it's a great idea. That way if the you know what hits the fan, someone can take the blame, or credit.
(04/06 09:58:57) blu 'nana nods her head
(04/06 09:58:58) Thend wants to ask a question...
(04/06 09:59:01) Shimmerillion: so the four committees i proposed (and these can change if need be) were: intra-guild services, affiliate organizations, extra-guild liasons, and reporters (everyone else)
(04/06 09:59:10) _Narym_: shoot thend
(04/06 09:59:16) Thend: (Ah, answered)
(04/06 09:59:16) Shimmerillion: go ahead thend
(04/06 09:59:17) Relayer Corps: Ok
(04/06 09:59:21) Shimmerillion: oh ok
(04/06 09:59:25) _Narym_: ok, anything, else Shimmer?
(04/06 09:59:39) Blade Lakem: Where would 'publicity' for the Guild's activities fall?
(04/06 09:59:51) Shimmerillion: so each group meets as a committee, and each committee leader represents them on the council, with guild master or mistress presiding
(04/06 09:59:58) [Relayer] Kerryth: Good question, Blade.
(04/06 10:00:05) Shimmerillion: that is a good question, blade
(04/06 10:00:20) Shimmerillion: my feeling is that publicity entails so many aspects that it cannot have its own group
(04/06 10:00:31) [Relayer] Kerryth: Are the committees clear cut? I see some overlap
(04/06 10:00:34) Shimmerillion: for example, the archiver might feature an event, so might the newsletter, so might the website, etc.
(04/06 10:00:34) Ti'chelle: Will one of the chairs also be Guildmaster pro tem in case the GM cannot make a meeting?
(04/06 10:00:53) Relayer Corps: pro tem?
(04/06 10:00:53) Shimmerillion: good point, tichelle. what does everyone else think
(04/06 10:01:00) Thend: Of course
(04/06 10:01:04) Relayer Corps: what is pro tem?
(04/06 10:01:10) Alderem nods his head
(04/06 10:01:11) [Relayer] Kerryth: Good idea.
(04/06 10:01:11) Blade Lakem: good idea.
(04/06 10:01:12) Altydwarber: good idea
(04/06 10:01:13) [Relayer] Kerryth: Like "acting"
(04/06 10:01:15) Ti'chelle: Like Vice Presient, but only in a temp need
(04/06 10:01:18) Shimmerillion: just in case the GM isn't there, who takes over
(04/06 10:01:21) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:01:25) Relayer Corps: good idea
(04/06 10:01:29) Alderem: Latin phrase meaning "for the time being"
(04/06 10:01:31) Thend: Second-in-command if the leader gets debilitated or called away
(04/06 10:01:31) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok
(04/06 10:01:32) Relayer Corps: ty
(04/06 10:01:38) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:01:43) [Relayer] Kerryth: So you don't waste time figuring out who's in charge in the short term
(04/06 10:01:51) Blade Lakem: Okie. so the basic structure seems ameniable to everyone here?
(04/06 10:01:52) Shimmerillion: or who's running the meeting lol
(04/06 10:01:54) [Relayer] Kerryth: You can carry on without interruption.
(04/06 10:01:59) Ti'chelle: Always has the meeting agenda just in case
(04/06 10:02:07) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:02:07) [Relayer] Kerryth: Sounds good to me.
(04/06 10:02:12) Thend can live with that. Basically, cause he's freelance
(04/06 10:02:20) Altydwarber: :)
(04/06 10:02:23) Blade Lakem: ;)
(04/06 10:02:30) Relayer Corps: you just don't want the resposibility thend. lol
(04/06 10:02:33) Blade Lakem: Any concerns?
(04/06 10:02:51) [Relayer] Kerryth: I have one concern.
(04/06 10:02:54) Shimmerillion: go ahead
(04/06 10:03:02) Relayer Corps: brb I need to find a plug for my puter. Continue with out me.
(04/06 10:03:18) Thend: Just structure in general, Blade.. Seems there would need an overarching focus in order to hold this together
(04/06 10:03:21) [Relayer] Kerryth: Some of the committees cover quite a few people. Others have fewer. It might not be easy to find a chair for the smaller categories.
(04/06 10:03:59) [Relayer] Kerryth: Like the reporters, perhaps.
(04/06 10:04:26) _Narym_: this is true
(04/06 10:04:32) [Relayer] Kerryth: Oh. No problem. Thend can cover that. lol
(04/06 10:04:39) Altydwarber laughs
(04/06 10:04:40) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 10:04:47) Shimmerillion: well, if there are no reporters, then that position is vacant
(04/06 10:04:55) _Narym_: But I think that we're also considering this as a long term structure, as well
(04/06 10:04:57) Shimmerillion: but if there is even one reporter, we need someone to be in charge
(04/06 10:04:58) [Relayer] Kerryth: Ok. That answers my concern.
(04/06 10:05:08) Thend: O.o
(04/06 10:05:21) [Relayer] Kerryth: If that one person is reluctant....
(04/06 10:05:21) Altydwarber: yes i agree
(04/06 10:05:23) _Narym_: While the Guild itself is small, its not as essential to have all 5 chairs.
(04/06 10:05:31) [Relayer] Kerryth: True
(04/06 10:05:36) blu 'nana: sorry, falling to sleep, more input from me later thiis week ;) ty & cya!
(04/06 10:05:40) blu 'nana waves goodbye
(04/06 10:05:44) Blade Lakem: There might need see ya blu
(04/06 10:05:47) Shimmerillion: i see what you're saying, kerryth. i think that will have to be a case-by-case basis
(04/06 10:05:48) Alderem: G'nite blutec
(04/06 10:05:50) _Narym_: IF they really don't want the position, we can always just have 4 chairs
(04/06 10:05:51) Thend: Okay blu, seeya later, have a good night
(04/06 10:05:52) [Relayer] Kerryth: See you later.
(04/06 10:05:54) Altydwarber: bye blu
(04/06 10:06:01) _Narym_: shorah blu
(04/06 10:06:02) blu 'nana (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(04/06 10:06:08) Shimmerillion: bye blu
(04/06 10:06:08) Blade Lakem: I expect adjustments will happen as time goes on
(04/06 10:06:13) Shimmerillion: yes
(04/06 10:06:25) [Relayer] Kerryth: You're counting the Guild master/mistress as one, right?
(04/06 10:06:33) _Narym_: in the 5 chairs, yes
(04/06 10:06:39) Ti'chelle: So, the Guildmaster would be the tie breaker vote?
(04/06 10:06:44) Shimmerillion: exactly
(04/06 10:06:46) Altydwarber: but what is the difference between 5 chairs or 4 chairs
(04/06 10:06:53) Thend: Like Cate Alexander
(04/06 10:06:56) Blade Lakem shrugs
(04/06 10:07:05) _Narym_: It depends on what you anticipate the council voting on
(04/06 10:07:05) Ti'chelle snickers.
(04/06 10:07:13) Shimmerillion: 5 council members, for lack of a better term, are: GM, services chair, affiliates chair, liasons chair, reporters chair
(04/06 10:07:13) Relayer Corps: back
(04/06 10:07:17) Relayer Corps: what did I miss?
(04/06 10:07:20) Altydwarber: if there are 5 they all should be there
(04/06 10:07:29) Altydwarber: and a GM
(04/06 10:07:46) Blade Lakem: I think the exact procedural nature can be worked out, as long as we have motivated people with goals and duties. I think that's key
(04/06 10:07:46) Thend: How many chairs RC
(04/06 10:07:52) Relayer Corps: 5?
(04/06 10:07:53) _Narym_: It re
(04/06 10:07:56) (Crier)_Nanouk: and me in charge of the bathroom chair
(04/06 10:07:59) Shimmerillion: yeah, and if a new "need" comes up, we can always add another committee
(04/06 10:08:01) Relayer Corps roars with laughter
(04/06 10:08:06) Shimmerillion starts to laugh
(04/06 10:08:07) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 10:08:13) [Relayer] Kerryth: lol
(04/06 10:08:16) Thend: You are welcome to it Nan. All in favor?
(04/06 10:08:17) _Narym_: there are four representative chairs, and the Guild Master/Mistress, Alty
(04/06 10:08:21) Relayer Corps: I think we should try and always have an odd number of chairs
(04/06 10:08:39) Relayer Corps: then we can't have ties in a vote
(04/06 10:08:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: Are the liaisons from within the GoMe or are they from the outside organizations?
(04/06 10:08:42) _Narym_: so if we have a bathroom chair, we need a comfy chair too
(04/06 10:08:44) Shimmerillion: odd number of chairs including GM, or odd number of chairs plus GM, lynnutte?
(04/06 10:08:52) _Narym_: including GM
(04/06 10:08:53) Relayer Corps: including GM
(04/06 10:08:55) [Relayer] Kerryth: Oh no! The Comfy Chair!
(04/06 10:09:00) (Crier)_Nanouk: had experience in the Air Force...lol
(04/06 10:09:04) Relayer Corps: I GET THE COMFY CHAIR!
(04/06 10:09:10) Thend says DOH!
(04/06 10:09:14) _Narym_: Now I shall poke you with The Soft Cushions!
(04/06 10:09:14) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:09:19) [Relayer] Kerryth: lol
(04/06 10:09:31) Ti'chelle: Must be padded then ;)
(04/06 10:09:40) Relayer Corps: just like my padded cell
(04/06 10:09:41) _Narym_: Well, all I have to say is, when I came to this meeting...
(04/06 10:09:48) _Narym_: I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition
(04/06 10:09:52) Shimmerillion: good pointkerryth, liasons can be from either the GoMe or the other organization
(04/06 10:09:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: All we get in Uru is these stone benches and the floor.
(04/06 10:09:57) (Crier)_Nanouk: the 50 chairs will be padded
(04/06 10:09:57) Thend shakes his head
(04/06 10:09:58) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 10:10:04) Blade Lakem: hehe
(04/06 10:10:06) Shimmerillion: as long as we dont need a padded pub
(04/06 10:10:18) _Narym_: No, I think we're safe in that regard
(04/06 10:10:20) Blade Lakem: Okie, so we are decided that a GM and 4 chairs, with changes to be made as need be?
(04/06 10:10:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: The reason I asked is because I can see that function overlapping with intraguild services.
(04/06 10:10:26) _Narym_: Yes
(04/06 10:10:31) Relayer Corps: yes
(04/06 10:10:41) Altydwarber: ok
(04/06 10:10:43) [Relayer] Kerryth: But not necessarily.
(04/06 10:10:44) Blade Lakem: Kerryth: I think there will be overlap. People will need to work together.
(04/06 10:10:50) (Crier)_Nanouk: aaaaagree with 5 main chairs
(04/06 10:10:50) Shimmerillion: kerryth, a liason's job is to work _with_ those doing the job, not necessarily to do it for them
(04/06 10:10:53) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:10:53) Thend: From a semi-outside perspective Blade, sounds applicable
(04/06 10:10:58) Blade Lakem: That's a good thing I think
(04/06 10:11:14) [Relayer] Kerryth: yes
(04/06 10:11:30) _Narym_: If we implement something like this, we can always tweak it to make it more efficient as we go
(04/06 10:11:35) Blade Lakem: exactly
(04/06 10:11:46) _Narym_: the core idea is the important thing as this stage
(04/06 10:11:47) Shimmerillion nods her head
(04/06 10:11:50) Relayer Corps: yes. It's not set in stone
(04/06 10:12:01) [Relayer] Kerryth: It will evolve
(04/06 10:12:05) Relayer Corps: we need to be flexible
(04/06 10:12:16) (Crier)_Nanouk: or revolve....lol
(04/06 10:12:19) Relayer Corps: be like the wind, not the rock
(04/06 10:12:19) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 10:12:29) Shimmerillion: but not devolve (i hope)
(04/06 10:12:33) Blade Lakem: Well, be like a rock when it's rock time ;)
(04/06 10:12:33) Relayer Corps: that doesn't sound very D'ni like. lol
(04/06 10:12:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: Arghh! I can't read chat over that viewer screen...
(04/06 10:12:41) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:12:55) Relayer Corps: come stand by me then
(04/06 10:13:01) Thend wants you to come over
(04/06 10:13:03) _Narym_: So, 5 chairs, from services, Liaisons, Affiliates, Reporters and the Guild Master, elected in a peer fashion
(04/06 10:13:05) Altydwarber: that why I stand here lol
(04/06 10:13:07) [Relayer] Kerryth: Just had to turn a little.
(04/06 10:13:13) _Narym_: Are there any further questions, etc?
(04/06 10:13:32) Relayer Corps: Yeah, who falls under which category?
(04/06 10:13:39) Shimmerillion: ah yes
(04/06 10:13:42) _Narym_: From within this group?
(04/06 10:13:43) Relayer Corps: some fall under a couple
(04/06 10:13:56) Shimmerillion: liasons: gow, goma, goc, gog, cyan(yeah right)
(04/06 10:14:01) Thend: lol
(04/06 10:14:02) Shimmerillion: affiliates: you know 'em
(04/06 10:14:02) [Relayer] Kerryth: Relayers would be an affiliate group, right? (Pardon me; I've been out of the loop.)
(04/06 10:14:08) Shimmerillion: yes
(04/06 10:14:08) _Narym_: Yes, they would
(04/06 10:14:12) Relayer Corps: yes, technically
(04/06 10:14:27) Relayer Corps: but Relayers have become ineffectual at best right now
(04/06 10:14:36) Relayer Corps: I hate to say it, but it's true
(04/06 10:14:39) Blade Lakem: Let's let the Chairs figure out exactly where people fit, actually.
(04/06 10:14:40) Shimmerillion: services: newsletter, rel.to, website, feed (if it branches out from website), are there any others i'm missing?
(04/06 10:14:42) Thend: Don't have to be
(04/06 10:14:42) [Relayer] Kerryth: :(
(04/06 10:14:51) Blade Lakem: There's a niche for the Relayer's but I think it's very different now
(04/06 10:14:54) _Narym_: We can always work to alter the Relayers purpose, that's something the Guild can jelp with
(04/06 10:15:00) _Narym_: Reporters :P
(04/06 10:15:01) Relayer Corps: how can people vote for the chairs if they are not in groups alreqady?
(04/06 10:15:07) Shimmerillion: reporters are their own group
(04/06 10:15:25) Altydwarber: do you think so?
(04/06 10:15:26) Relayer Corps: soI would love to alter the relayers purpsoe, but I can't without their say
(04/06 10:15:26) (Crier)_Nanouk: relayers are more like Criers at this time...lol
(04/06 10:15:32) _Narym_: If you're a part of the Guild, you'll fall under one of those, I would think
(04/06 10:15:34) Blade Lakem: well, I think we, as the primary peers of the GoMe, should elect the initial positions now.
(04/06 10:15:35) Relayer Corps: true
(04/06 10:15:43) Relayer Corps: good idea Blake
(04/06 10:15:47) Shimmerillion: alty, well that's what i suggested initially but i guess they don't have to be
(04/06 10:15:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: Don't forget. We may not be out of the Cavern for good.
(04/06 10:16:01) _Narym_: this is also true
(04/06 10:16:07) Relayer Corps: I am so hoping Kerryth
(04/06 10:16:10) Shimmerillion: seconded
(04/06 10:16:11) _Narym_: But I think, for the time beiomng, we should act as thought we are
(04/06 10:16:16) (Crier)_Nanouk: for a few weeks, at least
(04/06 10:16:19) Relayer Corps: Letting go of the Relayers is very hard for me
(04/06 10:16:19) _Narym_: until we have something concrete
(04/06 10:16:30) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:16:35) Blade Lakem: Lyn: the Relayers have a place, I think
(04/06 10:16:39) Shimmerillion: i think relayers do have a place
(04/06 10:16:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes. I can imagine some parallel activity for Relayers under the circumstances.
(04/06 10:16:46) Ti'chelle nods her head
(04/06 10:16:50) Shimmerillion: they can even connect all the different refugee camps
(04/06 10:16:56) [Relayer] Kerryth: You've got it.
(04/06 10:16:58) Blade Lakem: shimmer: good idea
(04/06 10:17:00) Relayer Corps: Good idea Shimmer!!!
(04/06 10:17:01) Thend: I defer any votes. I'm willing to work with everyone, as necessity dictates, but as far as becoming a part of the official structure, it goes against my focuses
(04/06 10:17:08) (Crier)_Nanouk: very good idea
(04/06 10:17:08) _Narym_: Relayers across the different MMO's
(04/06 10:17:15) _Narym_: Heck, they could even relay between games
(04/06 10:17:22) Thend nods his head
(04/06 10:17:27) Relayer Corps: Why didn't I think of that
(04/06 10:17:27) Shimmerillion: its true!
(04/06 10:17:28) [Relayer] Kerryth: Relayers work in real-time. That would have to be worked out some how.
(04/06 10:17:28) Blade Lakem: Thend, well, I hope we can work with you one way or ta other :)
(04/06 10:17:29) Thend: Exactly
(04/06 10:17:29) _Narym_: Keep people in GW abreast of Uruite events taking place in There, for example
(04/06 10:17:32) Relayer Corps: I will have to start contacting them
(04/06 10:17:32) Ti'chelle: Yes, let me give an example of being a relayer in the ohter worlds.
(04/06 10:17:41) Thend: I'm sure we can Blade ;)
(04/06 10:18:00) Relayer Corps: I wil,l start work on that as soon as I get home
(04/06 10:18:09) Ti'chelle: Some of us are already going in and out of the worlds so find people and remind them of events here
(04/06 10:18:14) Thend: RC, check with me in SL, I'll fill you in
(04/06 10:18:19) Blade Lakem: we are getting ahead of ourselves I think. We need chairs.
(04/06 10:18:22) Thend: And also what I know of Guid Wars
(04/06 10:18:23) Relayer Corps: I will. Thanks thend
(04/06 10:18:26) Shimmerillion: lol thx blade
(04/06 10:18:35) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 10:18:36) _Narym_: Yes
(04/06 10:18:41) Alderem: It seems like a lot of work, to spend so much time popping in and out of games, rather than... just... playing them. Kudos to those who are willing to do it though :)
(04/06 10:18:41) Thend: Right Blade, good point
(04/06 10:18:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: Are you going to try to get these chairs in place before Thursday? What is the time line?
(04/06 10:18:48) _Narym_: We can address the Relayers at a later date
(04/06 10:18:53) Blade Lakem: Then the chairs can take all these good ideas and focus them. That's their job
(04/06 10:18:55) Relayer Corps: I have contacts in There right now, any other refugee camps we need contacts in?
(04/06 10:19:08) Shimmerillion: all of them
(04/06 10:19:10) Relayer Corps: Yes Narym we can
(04/06 10:19:11) Shimmerillion: :P
(04/06 10:19:16) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:19:17) _Narym_: :D
(04/06 10:19:18) Thend: Sl and GW, that's the main other two
(04/06 10:19:27) Relayer Corps: Is there something happening thursday?
(04/06 10:19:28) Blade Lakem: Honestly, I'd like to see us leave this meeting with Chairs in place3.
(04/06 10:19:33) Thend nods his head
(04/06 10:19:39) Relayer Corps: agreed
(04/06 10:19:46) (Crier)_Nanouk: lol
(04/06 10:19:48) [Relayer] Kerryth: Well, technically, it's happening Wednesday. For most of us.
(04/06 10:19:51) _Narym_: So, i guess, let's get on with it then
(04/06 10:19:56) Relayer Corps says DOH!
(04/06 10:20:00) Shimmerillion starts to laugh
(04/06 10:20:00) Alderem: Some are going to LOTRO also; I'm considering it myself.
(04/06 10:20:12) Relayer Corps: If you do, please let me know
(04/06 10:20:17) Blade Lakem: okei. GuildMaster/Mistress. Volunteers? Nominations?
(04/06 10:20:30) Alderem: Will do, Lynnutte.
(04/06 10:20:30) Alderem steps back.
(04/06 10:20:32) Shimmerillion nominates lynnutte and marten
(04/06 10:20:35) Shimmerillion: haha sorry guys
(04/06 10:20:39) _Narym_: brb
(04/06 10:20:43) (Crier)_Nanouk: Guild Master Marten
(04/06 10:20:44) Relayer Corps: I will volunteer, but would also like to nominate Shimmer
(04/06 10:20:50) Shimmerillion says DOH!
(04/06 10:20:56) Ti'chelle: I second on Lynnutte
(04/06 10:21:06) Alderem: I'll second on Shimmer then.
(04/06 10:21:25) (Crier)_Nanouk: second Marten
(04/06 10:21:25) [Relayer] Kerryth: Who is eligible to vote?
(04/06 10:21:35) Alderem: Though I think she has her hands full with the website and surface duties. :)
(04/06 10:21:40) Relayer Corps: I think the nominated should stay out of it
(04/06 10:21:41) Ti'chelle: Woops. Should I even be involved in this process?
(04/06 10:21:50) Blade Lakem: hehe :) So we have Shimmer, Marten, Lynnutte.
(04/06 10:21:56) Thend: Wht category do you fit under Ti?
(04/06 10:21:58) Relayer Corps: yes you should Ti'chelle
(04/06 10:22:01) Shimmerillion: i dunno, it will also depend on chair nominations
(04/06 10:22:07) Blade Lakem: Ti'chelle, if you want to help out, why not? ;)
(04/06 10:22:08) [Relayer] Kerryth: (I'm wondering the same, Ti'chelle. About me, that is.)
(04/06 10:22:20) Relayer Corps: Yes Kerryth! your a Relayer!
(04/06 10:22:24) Alderem: I think if you see a future working with the GoMe in any regard, you have a voice here.
(04/06 10:22:30) Shimmerillion: agreed
(04/06 10:22:33) Blade Lakem: I think if yer here, yer interested and your voice matters
(04/06 10:22:38) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:22:41) Ti'chelle: I don't know for sure Thend, but had considered getting involved with the newsletter
(04/06 10:22:49) Relayer Corps: PLEASE DO!!!!
(04/06 10:22:52) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 10:22:55) [Relayer] Kerryth: The future is still unclear to me.
(04/06 10:23:05) [Relayer] Kerryth: Future of Relayers, I mean.
(04/06 10:23:05) Relayer Corps: But you are here now Kerryth
(04/06 10:23:06) Ti'chelle: Until we also have our Cavern position once again
(04/06 10:23:08) Thend: Pick the chairs
(04/06 10:23:11) Blade Lakem: Okie. So Simmer, Marten, Lynnutte.
(04/06 10:23:20) Blade Lakem: How do we vote?
(04/06 10:23:21) [Relayer] Kerryth: The newsletter is my seconde interest.
(04/06 10:23:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: me wipes Keryth glasses
(04/06 10:23:25) Relayer Corps: should we leave?
(04/06 10:23:30) Shimmerillion: can we nominate chairs first
(04/06 10:23:30) Blade Lakem: Naw
(04/06 10:23:34) Thend: PM's work best
(04/06 10:23:37) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:23:38) Blade Lakem: naw to people leaving that is
(04/06 10:23:40) _Narym_: back
(04/06 10:23:45) Shimmerillion: and actually, we need to clarify project heads beforre nominating chairs ...
(04/06 10:23:51) Relayer Corps: wb Nayrm
(04/06 10:23:51) Thend: Central collector whom you all trust
(04/06 10:23:53) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:23:59) Blade Lakem: hey Thend, yer neutral. Wanna be the collector?
(04/06 10:24:05) Relayer Corps: Good idea
(04/06 10:24:08) [Relayer] Kerryth: Heh, I was about to say that.
(04/06 10:24:14) Ti'chelle: We all trust! /laugh
(04/06 10:24:15) Blade Lakem: Great minds ;)
(04/06 10:24:15) Thend: I was thinking of you Blade, or someone else, but okay
(04/06 10:24:23) Ti'chelle points at Thend
(04/06 10:24:27) [Relayer] Kerryth: So how does this work?
(04/06 10:24:32) Thend: So, the GM
(04/06 10:24:37) Relayer Corps: pm Thend your vote
(04/06 10:24:38) Thend: PM me with your vote
(04/06 10:24:48) Thend: What about thos not here to vote?
(04/06 10:24:50) [Relayer] Kerryth: Now?
(04/06 10:24:55) Thend: One sec
(04/06 10:25:06) Thend: IS this enough of a representation?
(04/06 10:25:16) [Relayer] Kerryth: It's a pretty small group...
(04/06 10:25:20) Shimmerillion: the only thing i might worry about is the affiliates
(04/06 10:25:21) _Narym_: well, who's missing from the regular Guild cadre?
(04/06 10:25:25) Thend: I mean, do any other interested parties need to vote?
(04/06 10:25:35) Blade Lakem: blu left. Maybe lial. that's about all I can think of
(04/06 10:25:43) Shimmerillion: most of the people who are active on the forums are here. oh yes blu and lial
(04/06 10:25:50) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:25:50) Ti'chelle: Should the vote be put on the forum,,,the GoMe
(04/06 10:25:53) Thend: Up to you if you wish to proceed
(04/06 10:26:03) Shimmerillion: or i can set up a form that emails directly to thend
(04/06 10:26:09) _Narym_: Well, can we at least work out nominees for all positions, even if we don't vote?
(04/06 10:26:12) Shimmerillion: (so i never see it)
(04/06 10:26:12) Alderem: How about we announce our voting plans to the GoMe forum, raise awareness in other groups that might want to participate (I'm not worried about "meddilng", we are here to serve all the groups)...
(04/06 10:26:12) Relayer Corps: If there vote could change the outcome, then ask them
(04/06 10:26:17) Relayer Corps: if not....
(04/06 10:26:25) [Relayer] Kerryth: I would feel more comfortable it more people were voting.
(04/06 10:26:25) _Narym_: shorah Jimbo
(04/06 10:26:25) Relayer Corps: Hi jimbo!
(04/06 10:26:38) Skydiver Jimbo: hi all
(04/06 10:26:38) [Relayer] Kerryth: Hi, Jimbo.
(04/06 10:26:40) Ti'chelle: Hey Jim!
(04/06 10:26:42) Shimmerillion: yes, let's work out nominees, especially for the chairs
(04/06 10:26:46) Altydwarber: shorah jimbo
(04/06 10:26:46) Blade Lakem: Kerryth - there arent very many more people
(04/06 10:26:47) Relayer Corps: What if we posted a thread on the forum for voting
(04/06 10:26:48) Relayer Corps: ?
(04/06 10:26:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: Oh
(04/06 10:26:57) _Narym_: yeah, at least in the Guild there aren;t
(04/06 10:26:59) Thend: Sounds good Shim
(04/06 10:27:13) Blade Lakem: Okie. let's get all nominations out there....
(04/06 10:27:32) Shimmerillion: so affiliates first. who is in charge of each affiliate? hold up, let me get a list ...
(04/06 10:27:32) _Narym_: I really can't officially represent TCT's interests, but I can IM Anthony, who can do that
(04/06 10:27:48) Relayer Corps: Good idea narym
(04/06 10:27:53) Alderem: I am asking Paradox (GOW) how they managed this process.
(04/06 10:28:00) Alderem: I will share his input in a moment.
(04/06 10:28:05) Altydwarber: I'm in CCN but I want to ask the others first before i vote
(04/06 10:28:17) Relayer Corps: good idea
(04/06 10:28:34) Ti'chelle: BRB
(04/06 10:28:36) Shimmerillion: TCT: Anthony. Relayers: Lynnutte. Criers: Lynnutte. UruRadio: Samsbase. CCN: ??
(04/06 10:28:41) Blade Lakem: hrm
(04/06 10:28:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: That's another question. Do affiliate groups vote as a group or do the individual members vote?
(04/06 10:29:11) Blade Lakem: Hrm. Is UruRadio even active anymore?
(04/06 10:29:13) Altydwarber: not sure who for CCN i can do it but not sure if the others want that
(04/06 10:29:16) Shimmerillion: i think we should open voting to all ... but then you don't want to have to worry about larger orgs "stacking the deck" ... so i dunno
(04/06 10:29:25) _Narym_: Well, the only problem is, you likely end up having all the people in any given affiliate simply voting for their rep
(04/06 10:29:31) Shimmerillion: exactly
(04/06 10:29:42) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:29:49) Thend: This sounds like the same arguments at the first GoMe meeting
(04/06 10:29:53) _Narym_: You just implement wehre the heads vote, or may 3 reps from each, and they can vote for anyone whoi's not a part of their group
(04/06 10:29:56) Relayer Corps: If you have just the heads vote, then I would get 2 votes
(04/06 10:29:56) [Relayer] Kerryth: Not necessarily
(04/06 10:29:58) Shimmerillion: alty, we are comfortable with whatever CCN is comfortable with. i know in the past CCN has been reluctant to declare a rep ...
(04/06 10:30:01) Thend: 'Arguments', defined as discussions, btw
(04/06 10:30:02) _Narym_: *which
(04/06 10:30:11) Relayer Corps: brb
(04/06 10:30:29) Blade Lakem: I think this is too complex. I think we as interested parties should start with whom we have here and then work with others
(04/06 10:30:43) Alderem: Alright, here is how the GOW did it. A few of the GOW reps speced out the positions, there was no nomination period - they simply named who they felt would be best for each position. Then the GOW members had 1 week to agree or disagree with the suggested persons in the suggested positions.
(04/06 10:31:03) _Narym_: lol that would actually work so much better, IMO
(04/06 10:31:08) [Relayer] Kerryth: So there was a slate. People approved or disapproved. I like that.
(04/06 10:31:14) Shimmerillion: i like it too
(04/06 10:31:18) Blade Lakem cheers
(04/06 10:31:21) Shimmerillion: and the meeting has been on the calendar
(04/06 10:31:27) Shimmerillion: ....
(04/06 10:31:31) Ti'chelle: Then after the Guild is established a formal voting process can be written into the charter
(04/06 10:31:46) Altydwarber: ok I had a little back up here with other CCN members and it is ok that I do it
(04/06 10:31:52) Shimmerillion: great!
(04/06 10:32:03) [Relayer] Kerryth: Could we hammer out that slate here now? Or does this need input from people and orgs not here?
(04/06 10:32:18) _Narym_: Well, most of the affiliates are represented here today
(04/06 10:32:27) Shimmerillion: so, affiliate chair nominees are: lynnutte, altydwarber, anthony, or samsbase
(04/06 10:32:37) _Narym_: I don't think sam counts
(04/06 10:32:45) _Narym_: he hasn't been active fora long time
(04/06 10:33:09) [Relayer] Kerryth: That's sad to hear.
(04/06 10:33:11) Thend: Same with KItoons
(04/06 10:33:15) Relayer Corps: back
(04/06 10:33:15) Alderem: Well, we can contact him and find out if it's temporary or if he's gone... just as we should do with J'nathus, who became a mod at the forum and then split suddenly.
(04/06 10:33:33) Relayer Corps: has the voting procedure been decided?
(04/06 10:33:40) Blade Lakem shakes his head
(04/06 10:33:44) Altydwarber shakes her head
(04/06 10:33:47) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:33:49) _Narym_: I can assure you J'nathus will not be modding
(04/06 10:33:56) Shimmerillion: i think everyone should get to vote for gm .... but who votes for the chairs?
(04/06 10:33:57) Alderem: Let the voting on the format of the voting for the voting begin.
(04/06 10:34:07) Relayer Corps roars with laughter
(04/06 10:34:27) Altydwarber: man...
(04/06 10:34:30) Altydwarber laughs
(04/06 10:34:31) Relayer Corps: If we have one vote for every group, I say kerryth votes for the relayers, not me
(04/06 10:34:42) Blade Lakem sighs
(04/06 10:34:43) [Relayer] Kerryth is a bit puzzled...
(04/06 10:34:44) Relayer Corps: That way, I will only have one vote
(04/06 10:34:44) _Narym_: well, the only thing is, there are 3 affiliate reps
(04/06 10:34:45) Ti'chelle: Ideally it would be each group, but to get things rolling..
(04/06 10:34:52) _Narym_: and if they can't vote for themselves
(04/06 10:35:03) _Narym_: Are the criers an affiliate?
(04/06 10:35:07) Relayer Corps: yes
(04/06 10:35:09) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 10:35:09) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes
(04/06 10:35:11) (Crier)_Nanouk: lol
(04/06 10:35:11) Shimmerillion: no, that's the point of the peer-elected process. all project heads are nominees and voters
(04/06 10:35:14) _Narym_: so do they have a rep?
(04/06 10:35:26) Relayer Corps raises her hand
(04/06 10:35:32) Relayer Corps: me
(04/06 10:35:35) _Narym_: ah, ok
(04/06 10:35:37) Relayer Corps: relayer... me
(04/06 10:35:39) _Narym_: it makes sense now
(04/06 10:35:43) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:35:51) Alderem: I really don't think you're going to have an issue with the affiliate reps. Already, we've pretty much got 1 rep from each group who really participates. We nominate those people, tell those affiliate groups who is nominated, and let them YEA or NAY that decision.
(04/06 10:35:53) Altydwarber: hahaha
(04/06 10:36:12) Alderem: I think in TCT's case we have 2 people.
(04/06 10:36:16) Thend: Good idea Ald, pass the buck, I like that :)
(04/06 10:36:17) Shimmerillion: i think each nominee group should elect someone from amongst themselves. and you can't vote for yourself
(04/06 10:36:19) _Narym_: We do?
(04/06 10:36:20) Altydwarber: right alderem
(04/06 10:36:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: Since the chairs are likely to rotate, all the reps would have a turn eventually.
(04/06 10:36:31) Shimmerillion: but everyone here votes for gome
(04/06 10:36:37) Shimmerillion: i mean gm lol
(04/06 10:36:37) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:36:40) [Relayer] Kerryth: ok
(04/06 10:36:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: brb. phone.
(04/06 10:37:10) _Narym_: Nanouk, what group are you a part of, BTW
(04/06 10:37:14) _Narym_: oh wait, criers
(04/06 10:37:16) _Narym_: duh
(04/06 10:37:18) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 10:37:18) _Narym_: :P
(04/06 10:37:22) Altydwarber says DOH!
(04/06 10:37:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: you guys are much too democratic...lol
(04/06 10:37:34) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 10:37:38) (Crier)_Nanouk: is a Crier...lol
(04/06 10:37:42) Blade Lakem: agreed. We are spinning our wheels
(04/06 10:37:42) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:37:47) _Narym_: If Zardoz was here, we'd just nominate him as Grand Poobah
(04/06 10:37:52) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:37:56) Ti'chelle laughs
(04/06 10:37:57) Relayer Corps: We need to make a decision and stick with it
(04/06 10:37:58) _Narym_: alright, so if we have 3 affiliate reps
(04/06 10:37:58) Thend: Or he'd nominate himself lol
(04/06 10:38:02) _Narym_: lets just vote for one
(04/06 10:38:13) _Narym_: is it only the affiliates who vote?
(04/06 10:38:18) Relayer Corps: How many affiliate groups are there?
(04/06 10:38:25) Shimmerillion: peer-elected would say only the affiliate heads vote
(04/06 10:38:30) Altydwarber: tct and ccn
(04/06 10:38:33) Shimmerillion: since their members got to vote for them
(04/06 10:38:36) Altydwarber: and more?
(04/06 10:38:38) _Narym_: Relayers
(04/06 10:38:40) _Narym_: Criers
(04/06 10:38:44) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 10:38:45) _Narym_: who have the same rep
(04/06 10:38:49) Relayer Corps: that's 4 so far
(04/06 10:38:58) Shimmerillion: that's all, and ururadio
(04/06 10:38:58) _Narym_: Ki Toons is abstaining?
(04/06 10:39:06) Relayer Corps: Has Anthony been contacted yet?
(04/06 10:39:14) Thend: Yes, abstaining
(04/06 10:39:15) _Narym_: yeah, I have him on the metaphorical line
(04/06 10:39:17) Shimmerillion: i thought KI toons was freelance
(04/06 10:39:21) Thend: Yep
(04/06 10:39:21) _Narym_: well yes
(04/06 10:39:26) Thend: And Puzzlers
(04/06 10:39:28) _Narym_: which is why he's abstaining, I guess
(04/06 10:39:32) Relayer Corps: we have reps from criers and relayers. We just need TCT and CCn?
(04/06 10:39:32) Shimmerillion: :)
(04/06 10:39:34) [Relayer] Kerryth: back
(04/06 10:39:38) Thend just.. does stuff
(04/06 10:39:41) Relayer Corps: wb
(04/06 10:39:44) Shimmerillion: Alty said she could do it for CCN
(04/06 10:39:49) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 10:39:49) [Relayer] Kerryth: What did I miss?
(04/06 10:39:50) _Narym_: As I said, I'm talking to Ant right now via MSN
(04/06 10:39:52) Relayer Corps: ok, then just TCT
(04/06 10:39:56) Shimmerillion: and Anthony is on the line for TCT
(04/06 10:39:58) Shimmerillion: so we're good
(04/06 10:40:05) [Relayer] Kerryth: Is everything all decided yet?
(04/06 10:40:06) Altydwarber: no
(04/06 10:40:08) Relayer Corps: Let's have a vote and see if the TCT vote would evwen matter
(04/06 10:40:08) _Narym_: alright
(04/06 10:40:10) (Crier)_Nanouk: is this a GoMe meeting ar an all Guilds meeting ?
(04/06 10:40:11) [Relayer] Kerryth: drat
(04/06 10:40:19) Relayer Corps: GOMe
(04/06 10:40:19) (Crier)_Nanouk: or*
(04/06 10:40:22) Shimmerillion: so those 3 people should vote for one of the other two and pm it to thend
(04/06 10:40:25) _Narym_: can you vote for yourself?
(04/06 10:40:25) Altydwarber: gome nanouk
(04/06 10:40:30) _Narym_: lol ok
(04/06 10:40:31) Shimmerillion: no voting for yourself lol
(04/06 10:40:57) Relayer Corps: Nanouk, you can vote for the criers. I will stay out of the voting
(04/06 10:41:06) (Crier)_Nanouk: you bet I will not vote for myself...lol
(04/06 10:41:11) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 10:41:31) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:41:32) Altydwarber: so again for a simple mind here
(04/06 10:41:52) Altydwarber points at her self lol
(04/06 10:41:53) Relayer Corps: What are we voting for again?
(04/06 10:41:54) Shimmerillion: alty, pm your vote for lynnutte or anthony to thend
(04/06 10:41:56) [Relayer] Kerryth: Is this for GM or affiliate chair, now.
(04/06 10:42:03) Shimmerillion: this is still affiliate chair
(04/06 10:42:06) Altydwarber: okidoki
(04/06 10:42:07) [Relayer] Kerryth: OK
(04/06 10:42:12) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:42:17) Shimmerillion: narym pm's anthony's vote for lynnutte or alty to thend
(04/06 10:42:24) _Narym_: yeah, I know
(04/06 10:42:29) Shimmerillion: lol ok
(04/06 10:42:30) Shimmerillion: :)
(04/06 10:42:33) _Narym_: I'm just explaining the process quickly to Ant
(04/06 10:42:41) Relayer Corps: kk
(04/06 10:42:51) (Crier)_Nanouk: elec four chairs and then let them decide for the GrandMaster
(04/06 10:43:28) _Narym_: I tend to think GM should be as many votes as possible, myself...
(04/06 10:43:36) Shimmerillion: i would agree
(04/06 10:43:41) Thend: Okay, I got some votes. Who is eligible to vote again?
(04/06 10:43:54) Shimmerillion: nanouk, anthony (narym), and alty is all this round
(04/06 10:44:01) Alderem: Oh, ok. Whew.
(04/06 10:44:06) Shimmerillion: unless lynnutte was voting for relayers?
(04/06 10:44:12) Relayer Corps: What about relayers?
(04/06 10:44:15) [Relayer] Kerryth: She told me to.
(04/06 10:44:17) Relayer Corps: Kerryth is
(04/06 10:44:19) Shimmerillion: ok that works
(04/06 10:44:20) [Relayer] Kerryth: So I did.
(04/06 10:44:23) Thend: Lol
(04/06 10:44:25) _Narym_: what?
(04/06 10:44:30) [Relayer] Kerryth: vote
(04/06 10:44:35) [Relayer] Kerryth: On behalf of Relayers
(04/06 10:44:35) _Narym_: I thought Lyn was doing relayers, and Nanouk criers?
(04/06 10:44:40) Relayer Corps: Kerryth is voting for relayers and nanouk for Criers
(04/06 10:44:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: Who's on first?
(04/06 10:44:56) [Relayer] Kerryth: Sorry. lol
(04/06 10:44:58) Relayer Corps: I'm staying out of it because i was nominated
(04/06 10:44:59) Thend: Wait
(04/06 10:45:04) Relayer Corps: What's on second
(04/06 10:45:10) Shimmerillion: lynnutte, everyone is nominated so it doesn't matter
(04/06 10:45:10) _Narym_: Hang on
(04/06 10:45:16) Thend: Starting over, announce the voters and the votees
(04/06 10:45:17) _Narym_: If you're nominated, you still havbe to vote
(04/06 10:45:22) Relayer Corps: that's ok, I'm still staying out of it. lol
(04/06 10:45:24) Thend: Everyoine else, no chat
(04/06 10:45:26) _Narym_: that's the point, I believe
(04/06 10:45:30) Thend: While they PM me
(04/06 10:45:34) Relayer Corps: Kerryth for Relayers, Nanouk for Criers
(04/06 10:45:45) Shimmerillion: nominees: lynnutte (relayers, criers), alty (CCN), anthony (TCT)
(04/06 10:45:59) _Narym_: and that is all for affiliates?
(04/06 10:46:15) Shimmerillion: all except ururadio
(04/06 10:46:28) _Narym_: can we not divide relayers and criers into the two, seeing as we have multiple reps from both?
(04/06 10:46:39) Thend: Who else is eligible to vote?
(04/06 10:46:43) Relayer Corps: they are 2 separate groups
(04/06 10:46:44) Shimmerillion: ok let me explain a little better first and then you guys can decide ...
(04/06 10:46:47) Thend: Besides Lynet and Nan
(04/06 10:46:53) Thend: Okay
(04/06 10:47:25) Shimmerillion: the idea is, you have a group of peers (affiliate leaders) who have to choose someone to represent them. obviously most people would want to elect themselves, but that's not allowed. the idea is f
(04/06 10:47:37) Shimmerillion: for you to elect someone else in your peer group that you respect.
(04/06 10:47:50) Shimmerillion: so actually, if we were doing this 100% peer-elected,
(04/06 10:48:01) Shimmerillion: lynnutte, alty, and anthony would each get one vote
(04/06 10:48:05) Shimmerillion: they would have to vote
(04/06 10:48:09) [Relayer] Kerryth: Ah, OK. I see.
(04/06 10:48:12) Shimmerillion: but would not be allowed to vote for themselves
(04/06 10:48:14) Relayer Corps: OH!!!
(04/06 10:48:21) Altydwarber: right
(04/06 10:48:24) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 10:48:43) _Narym_: yes, but my only point was, wouldn't it be fairer/better to have a rep each from criers and relayers, isntead of putting them together?
(04/06 10:48:43) Thend: Shim, you head the proceedings
(04/06 10:48:47) (Crier)_Nanouk: do it one chair at the time
(04/06 10:48:55) _Narym_: that is what we're doing, Nanouk
(04/06 10:49:00) Thend: Who votes now and for what position?
(04/06 10:49:11) Shimmerillion: narym, the idea is, lynnutte is already representing criers and relayers in the affiliate committee.
(04/06 10:49:18) Altydwarber: so i have to vote again thend?
(04/06 10:49:19) _Narym_: she is?
(04/06 10:49:20) Relayer Corps: exactly
(04/06 10:49:25) _Narym_: oh, ok then :_)
(04/06 10:49:33) _Narym_: btw, Anthony is on his way in cavern
(04/06 10:49:36) Relayer Corps: so if each group would get a vote, I would have 2
(04/06 10:49:38) Alderem: But you are electing a -single- chair position for all affiliates, from those 3 nominees, right?
(04/06 10:49:42) Thend: Voting will be redone, as soon as I find out who can vote, I don't care for what lol
(04/06 10:49:45) Ti'chelle: Okay, I have a question. What if Lynnutte is elected GM? What happens to her rep spot
(04/06 10:49:48) Shimmerillion: no, lynnutte still only gets one vote
(04/06 10:49:55) Relayer Corps: Good.
(04/06 10:49:59) Shimmerillion: tichelle, that is why i wanted to do the chairs first.
(04/06 10:50:00) Relayer Corps: I don't want more than one
(04/06 10:50:26) Shimmerillion: no one should be GM and a chair because that messes up the 5-vote thing
(04/06 10:50:31) Relayer Corps: we have 4 chairs?
(04/06 10:50:33) Ti'chelle: May I suggest we put out the vote for the GM first, then go from there?
(04/06 10:50:48) Relayer Corps: I think that is a good idea
(04/06 10:50:58) Relayer Corps: then the chairs won't get messed up
(04/06 10:51:03) Shimmerillion: if that's what everyone wants to do, that's fine
(04/06 10:51:06) Ti'chelle: The people who are not elected GM might become chairs that way
(04/06 10:51:08) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 10:51:11) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm sorry. Another phone call.
(04/06 10:51:45) Blade Lakem: GM first please
(04/06 10:51:51) Alderem: I think you can do it either way. If you wuold rather see one of the nominees for affiliate chair to instead be GM, don't vote for them as affiliate chair.
(04/06 10:51:57) Altydwarber: ok hold on, brb
(04/06 10:52:00) Relayer Corps: Shorah Anthony
(04/06 10:52:07) Alderem: You are all voting for a single chair member with this vote, from 3 nominees, right?
(04/06 10:52:18) Thend: Hello Anthony
(04/06 10:52:30) Relayer Corps: as I understand it, yes
(04/06 10:52:39) Shimmerillion: no. only lynnutte, anthony, and alty can vote. they can only vote for lynnutte, anthony, or alty
(04/06 10:52:50) Shimmerillion: but i think we are doing GM first now?
(04/06 10:52:52) Relayer Corps: I think we should
(04/06 10:53:03) (Crier)_Nanouk: am getting dizzy...lol
(04/06 10:53:08) Relayer Corps: when Kerryth gets back
(04/06 10:53:08) To Anthony [St. Pat]: it is purely the affiliate heads for the affiliate chair
(04/06 10:53:15) Shimmerillion: ok thend are you ready to receive GM votes?
(04/06 10:53:16) To Anthony [St. Pat]: which is you, Alty and Lynutte
(04/06 10:53:24) Alderem: Then yes, I think we should elect the GM first because the majority of us may be frustrated if our preferred GM is put into a chair position.
(04/06 10:53:29) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 10:53:31) Altydwarber: back
(04/06 10:53:40) _Narym_: hmm, the man has a point...
(04/06 10:53:50) Thend: Shim, for GM, everyone has a vote, correct?
(04/06 10:53:50) Alderem: I wasn't the first to say it :)
(04/06 10:53:53) Alderem: I'm just agreeing.
(04/06 10:53:59) Shimmerillion: thats what i would advocate, thend
(04/06 10:54:02) _Narym_: I wasn't paying attention ,then obviously
(04/06 10:54:07) Thend: Okay
(04/06 10:54:08) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 10:54:16) Shimmerillion: ok .... ready .... go ... lol
(04/06 10:54:26) Relayer Corps: I sent Thend my vote brb
(04/06 10:54:32) Thend: Let me remind you, when voting begins, no outside chat please
(04/06 10:54:43) Anthony [St. Pat]: wait
(04/06 10:54:53) _Narym_: Are we doing a GM vote now, then?
(04/06 10:55:01) Anthony [St. Pat]: TCT is still Talking
(04/06 10:55:20) From Shimmerillion: yes, GM is happening now
(04/06 10:55:22) Altydwarber: it is all confusing here
(04/06 10:55:30) Alderem: As Thend will be collecting the votes, let Thend say when to start PMing him. Anthony, does TCT have an issue with us casting votes for GM here, now?
(04/06 10:55:35) [Relayer] Kerryth: back
(04/06 10:55:45) Thend nods his head
(04/06 10:56:03) Anthony [St. Pat]: no just not this second
(04/06 10:56:06) _Narym_: so hang on
(04/06 10:56:22) _Narym_: WE're going to vote for the GM here, now, with the people who are here
(04/06 10:56:22) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm trying to scroll back. Have we moved on to voting for GM then?
(04/06 10:56:28) [Relayer] Kerryth: Got it.
(04/06 10:56:31) Veralun: hi all
(04/06 10:56:32) [Relayer] Kerryth: Who are the nominees.
(04/06 10:56:36) Altydwarber: shorah veralun
(04/06 10:56:37) Veralun: sorry I am late
(04/06 10:56:43) Veralun: busy with video
(04/06 10:56:45) Shimmerillion: welcome veralun
(04/06 10:56:47) [Relayer] Kerryth: Shorah, Veralun
(04/06 10:56:56) Alderem: We are going to vote for the GM (GuildMaster/Mistress), here. We will then go to the chair positions.
(04/06 10:57:02) Ti'chelle: Hi Veralun
(04/06 10:57:12) Thend: Hello Veralun
(04/06 10:57:12) Relayer Corps: back
(04/06 10:57:17) Veralun: I got already updated
(04/06 10:57:21) Relayer Corps: Shorah Veralun
(04/06 10:57:21) Veralun waves hello
(04/06 10:57:22) Anthony [St. Pat]: ok we are ready now
(04/06 10:57:24) Thend: Alright, does everyone know what we're doing?
(04/06 10:57:27) Alderem: The chair position voting will be limited to those affected or 'under" that chair.
(04/06 10:57:41) Thend: One vote each, just the name of the GM you want
(04/06 10:57:47) Thend: No outside chat until I say
(04/06 10:57:54) Thend: Begin now
(04/06 10:57:59) [Relayer] Kerryth: To Thend? sorry
(04/06 10:58:03) Thend: Yes
(04/06 10:58:06) Thend: PM me
(04/06 10:58:14) To Shimmerillion: the GM can be anyone involved with the Guild?
(04/06 10:58:45) Thend: Everyone votes
(04/06 10:58:45) From Shimmerillion: well we took nominations earlier ... i am not sure if that still holds or not.
(04/06 10:58:56) To Shimmerillion: that was for the addiliate chair, wasn't it?
(04/06 10:59:02) To Shimmerillion: affiliate*
(04/06 10:59:10) From Shimmerillion: the GM nominees were me, lynnutte, and marten
(04/06 10:59:13) To Shimmerillion: oh
(04/06 10:59:16) From Shimmerillion: it didn't matter for my vote
(04/06 10:59:20) To Shimmerillion: I think everyon'es forgotten that
(04/06 10:59:26) From Shimmerillion: that's probably ok
(04/06 10:59:35) To Shimmerillion: Ant didn't know of those nominations, anyway
(04/06 10:59:52) From Shimmerillion: i think it's fine to leave the voting open
(04/06 10:59:56) To Shimmerillion: ok, cool
(04/06 11:00:09) Thend: I am contacting a few folks here, hold on
(04/06 11:00:27) To Shimmerillion: and was it two weeks in which the general populus can disagree with the results
(04/06 11:00:33) From Thend: Your vote?
(04/06 11:00:52) To Thend: Marten
(04/06 11:01:00) To Shimmerillion: woops, I forgot I could vote :P
(04/06 11:01:05) From Shimmerillion: something like that. we didn't decide for sure, just said we liked the way the gow did it
(04/06 11:01:18) From Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:01:22) Thend: Shim, please confirm, who is up for being voted on for GM?
(04/06 11:01:40) Relayer Corps roars with laughter
(04/06 11:01:49) Shimmerillion: the nominees collected earlier were lynnutte, marten, and shimmerillion.
(04/06 11:02:01) Thend: Okay, one sec please
(04/06 11:02:06) _Narym_: But anyone is eligible, really, aren't they?
(04/06 11:02:14) Shimmerillion: of course
(04/06 11:02:19) Anthony [St. Pat]: well normally
(04/06 11:02:27) Alderem: "write in" votes. :)
(04/06 11:02:31) Shimmerillion: yup ;)
(04/06 11:02:35) Alderem: Now, shh, for Thend, please.
(04/06 11:02:35) _Narym_: its not like we have a massive pool to select from anyway :P
(04/06 11:02:44) Anthony [St. Pat]: lol
(04/06 11:03:50) Thend: Shim, re-confirm, Write-in's or not?
(04/06 11:04:00) Shimmerillion: write-ins are fine
(04/06 11:04:05) Relayer Corps: Donald Duck
(04/06 11:04:11) Relayer Corps: oops
(04/06 11:05:01) Thend scribbles out Donald Duck
(04/06 11:05:04) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:05:08) Altydwarber: :)
(04/06 11:05:10) Thend: Okay, I have all the votes..
(04/06 11:05:30) Thend: I will go over again from my Log of this, but will present the votes..
(04/06 11:05:39) Relayer Corps: do you need to take your shoes off to tally them?
(04/06 11:05:49) Thend: Shim, shall I only say the one with most, or 2nd, 3rd, etc
(04/06 11:05:59) _Narym_: lol Thend is pretty good at this suspense thing, isn't he?
(04/06 11:06:04) Shimmerillion: i would say just announce the one with the most
(04/06 11:06:05) Thend squints at RC
(04/06 11:06:05) [Relayer] Kerryth: lol
(04/06 11:06:05) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:06:10) Anthony [St. Pat]: oh and what vote style is this
(04/06 11:06:14) Alderem: No hard feelings - just give the winner.
(04/06 11:06:17) Relayer Corps: it's killing me!
(04/06 11:06:25) Anthony [St. Pat]: plurality majority other
(04/06 11:06:36) Shimmerillion: most tallies?
(04/06 11:06:41) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:06:41) Shimmerillion: :P
(04/06 11:06:41) [Relayer] Kerryth: Plurality
(04/06 11:06:53) Relayer Corps: thend is busy untieing his shoes
(04/06 11:07:00) Relayer Corps: untying
(04/06 11:07:01) _Narym_: evidently
(04/06 11:07:04) Thend: Just attempting to do it right
(04/06 11:07:07) [Relayer] Kerryth throws something at RC
(04/06 11:07:08) _Narym_: :P
(04/06 11:07:09) Thend: Okay, a tie
(04/06 11:07:10) Relayer Corps: how do you spell that?
(04/06 11:07:13) (Crier)_Nanouk: do not die on me RC, I do not want your job
(04/06 11:07:15) Relayer Corps: lol sorry
(04/06 11:07:22) Relayer Corps roars with laughter
(04/06 11:07:41) Thend: It's a Tie, what do I do now?
(04/06 11:07:43) Relayer Corps: a tie?
(04/06 11:07:47) Anthony [St. Pat]: lol
(04/06 11:07:48) [Relayer] Kerryth: A runoff?
(04/06 11:07:48) _Narym_: good grief
(04/06 11:07:51) Relayer Corps: Vote between the tie
(04/06 11:07:55) Anthony [St. Pat]: revote with only the two
(04/06 11:07:56) Alderem: Runoff, unless all votes were just for those 2.
(04/06 11:07:58) Shimmerillion: wow that's interesting
(04/06 11:08:06) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:08:13) Relayer Corps: who is in the tie?
(04/06 11:08:15) Thend: So, announce the frontrunners?
(04/06 11:08:20) Anthony [St. Pat]: yes
(04/06 11:08:20) Shimmerillion: yes, go ahead
(04/06 11:08:22) Relayer Corps: YES!
(04/06 11:08:28) Thend: Lynet and Marten
(04/06 11:08:33) Relayer Corps falls over dead
(04/06 11:08:35) Ti'chelle cheers
(04/06 11:08:35) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:08:38) Shimmerillion cheers
(04/06 11:08:40) Alderem: Noo! Don't die!
(04/06 11:08:43) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:08:44) Altydwarber: ok that is one left
(04/06 11:08:47) Altydwarber laughs
(04/06 11:08:48) Relayer Corps: ok, I won't...yet
(04/06 11:08:50) [Relayer] Kerryth: Nanouk is worried
(04/06 11:09:02) (Crier)_Nanouk: very
(04/06 11:09:06) _Narym_: If Lyn is dead, MArten wins by default
(04/06 11:09:09) Relayer Corps: I'm not voting this time
(04/06 11:09:16) [Relayer] Kerryth: Well, that was simple. Next?
(04/06 11:09:18) Relayer Corps: I'm not dead just yet.
(04/06 11:09:23) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:09:23) [Relayer] Kerryth: Oops
(04/06 11:09:26) _Narym_: She's getting better :P
(04/06 11:09:29) Alderem: I'll abstain if Lynnutte abstains.
(04/06 11:09:30) Thend: Okay, one sec while I double check, but 95% certain
(04/06 11:09:50) _Narym_: yep, so everyone but Lyn and Marten votes for one or the other
(04/06 11:10:00) Relayer Corps: I am because I can't vote for myself, which means i really don't have a choice
(04/06 11:10:11) Anthony [St. Pat]: well they can vote too but its not changing anything
(04/06 11:10:18) Relayer Corps: so why vote/
(04/06 11:10:20) Relayer Corps: ?
(04/06 11:10:24) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:10:25) (Crier)_Nanouk: Is Thend the deciding vote....since we are eleven
(04/06 11:10:34) _Narym_: No, Thend isn't voting
(04/06 11:10:36) Ti'chelle: If Marten was here to vote it would be fair, but otherwise
(04/06 11:10:38) _Narym_: he's i,partial
(04/06 11:10:44) _Narym_: Alderem is Marten
(04/06 11:10:48) Alderem: I am here, :)
(04/06 11:10:55) Ti'chelle: Ohhh
(04/06 11:10:55) Altydwarber: :)
(04/06 11:10:59) Ti'chelle blush
(04/06 11:11:01) Relayer Corps: but Alderem can vote for himself
(04/06 11:11:05) Altydwarber: giggling
(04/06 11:11:06) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:11:08) _Narym_: yeah, but there's no point
(04/06 11:11:11) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 11:11:13) _Narym_: just both of you, don't vote!!! :D
(04/06 11:11:22) Relayer Corps: I'll shut up now
(04/06 11:11:22) _Narym_: Simplest solution
(04/06 11:11:32) Alderem: Thend will simply discount anything we PM him. Moving along. Thend, are you ready?
(04/06 11:11:33) Relayer Corps closes her lips tight
(04/06 11:11:34) Thend: It's confirmed
(04/06 11:11:47) Shimmerillion: ok, so a runoff?
(04/06 11:11:48) _Narym_: alright, Thend, are you ready to reveive run-off votes?
(04/06 11:11:48) Thend: Yes, vote on Marten and Lynet for GM
(04/06 11:11:53) Thend: Now
(04/06 11:11:55) Thend: OM me
(04/06 11:11:58) Thend: PM*
(04/06 11:12:01) To Thend: Marten
(04/06 11:13:29) Thend: Contacting a feww here now
(04/06 11:14:23) Thend: RC and Alderem are not eligible to vote, as I figured out lol. Tallying now
(04/06 11:14:53) Altydwarber grbs the drums......
(04/06 11:15:13) _Narym_ eats his ice cream.
(04/06 11:15:24) Relayer Corps starts beating on the drum
(04/06 11:15:45) Shimmerillion taps her foot
(04/06 11:16:07) Relayer Corps stops beating the drum and TRIES to be good. lol
(04/06 11:16:07) (Crier)_Nanouk: we should have invited a Bahro in case of a tie
(04/06 11:16:07) [Relayer] Kerryth meditates
(04/06 11:16:07) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:16:09) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:16:20) _Narym_: Lol the one who isn't eaten by a Bahro wins
(04/06 11:16:22) Shimmerillion: whoever the bahro doesnt eat or steal wins
(04/06 11:16:26) Shimmerillion: lol jinx
(04/06 11:16:29) _Narym_: NO!
(04/06 11:16:30) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 11:16:31) _Narym_: :(
(04/06 11:16:32) Anthony [St. Pat]: if there is another tie I say we go witrh anarchy
(04/06 11:16:37) Shimmerillion: LOL
(04/06 11:16:46) [Relayer] Kerryth looks around nervously for the bahro...
(04/06 11:16:46) Relayer Corps: I like anarchy
(04/06 11:16:50) Relayer Corps: goes well with chaos
(04/06 11:16:52) Alderem: If there is another tie and Thend hasn't voted, I say we let him break the tie, and he doesn't have to tell us.
(04/06 11:17:00) Shimmerillion: yeah i agree
(04/06 11:17:00) Relayer Corps: agreed
(04/06 11:17:00) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:17:06) [Relayer] Kerryth: sounds good
(04/06 11:17:06) Relayer Corps: no matter what Thend says
(04/06 11:17:07) Ti'chelle: Ohhh the pressure
(04/06 11:17:11) Anthony [St. Pat]: No anarchy
(04/06 11:17:18) Thend: It's confirmed absolutely..
(04/06 11:17:20) _Narym_: so, he doesn't tell us there was a tie at all, you mean?
(04/06 11:17:25) Relayer Corps: ?
(04/06 11:17:29) _Narym_: *sharp intake of breath*
(04/06 11:17:35) [Relayer] Kerryth: Yes.....?
(04/06 11:17:35) Altydwarber can/t stand it anymore
(04/06 11:17:38) Relayer Corps closes her eyes
(04/06 11:17:40) Thend: And, btw, well done on the second round, you all did great voting, went very smoothly :)
(04/06 11:17:44) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:17:48) Shimmerillion: practice makes perfect
(04/06 11:17:51) [Relayer] Kerryth: Go, us!
(04/06 11:17:53) _Narym_: Thend, stop taking pleasure in our pain
(04/06 11:18:03) _Narym_: juse tyell us already :P
(04/06 11:18:04) Thend: Marten is the new, I mean first GM of GoMe
(04/06 11:18:09) _Narym_ claps his hands
(04/06 11:18:15) Relayer Corps cheers
(04/06 11:18:15) Altydwarber cheers
(04/06 11:18:15) [Relayer] Kerryth claps her hands
(04/06 11:18:15) Ti'chelle claps her hands
(04/06 11:18:16) Relayer Corps claps her hands
(04/06 11:18:18) Altydwarber claps her hands
(04/06 11:18:21) Thend: Congrats, Mart-man
(04/06 11:18:21) Alderem: *embarassed* Um, thank you!
(04/06 11:18:23) Veralun: congratulations marten
(04/06 11:18:23) Alderem bows
(04/06 11:18:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: Congratulations, Marten!
(04/06 11:18:24) Shimmerillion cheers
(04/06 11:18:32) Relayer Corps: Congrats marten!
(04/06 11:18:35) Shimmerillion: congrats!
(04/06 11:18:36) Thend: I'll say it was very close
(04/06 11:18:36) Altydwarber: congratulations GM marten
(04/06 11:18:36) _Narym_: Now go stand on the imager and make a speech :)
(04/06 11:18:53) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:18:54) Alderem: I've not written one! :)
(04/06 11:18:54) Altydwarber: yeah... speech
(04/06 11:18:55) Shimmerillion: so how many months did this take us? .... lol
(04/06 11:19:04) Blade Lakem: Congrats!
(04/06 11:19:05) (Crier)_Nanouk: Bravo User friendly Smatman
(04/06 11:19:06) _Narym_: shh :P
(04/06 11:19:09) Relayer Corps: So, Marten is the new Grand high Poobah Guild master!
(04/06 11:19:11) Thend: Yeah, Marten is bad at thinking up things to say, give him a break
(04/06 11:19:27) Altydwarber runs off to the little girls room now
(04/06 11:19:27) Alderem: I don't think we did bad by waiting. If anything, making a decision like this at a time like this, ensures that the people involved are those with their hearts in the right place.
(04/06 11:19:27) Thend: ;)
(04/06 11:19:36) Ti'chelle: He can make a video speech for us.
(04/06 11:19:39) Shimmerillion: yeah, i was just kidding ;)
(04/06 11:19:41) Relayer Corps: I agree
(04/06 11:19:45) Blade Lakem: Hehe :)
(04/06 11:19:46) [Relayer] Kerryth: That was a nice speech.
(04/06 11:19:48) (Crier)_Nanouk: The best bathroom chair is ready for Marten...lol
(04/06 11:19:54) [Relayer] Kerryth: short
(04/06 11:19:54) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:19:54) Veralun: that is for sure marten
(04/06 11:20:00) Ti'chelle cheers
(04/06 11:20:01) Thend claps his hands
(04/06 11:20:04) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:20:05) Blade Lakem claps his hands
(04/06 11:20:20) _Narym_: are we going to move on to the other chairs now?
(04/06 11:20:26) Shimmerillion: i hope so coz i'm hungry
(04/06 11:20:28) Blade Lakem: please :
(04/06 11:20:28) Alderem: When Alty returns, you can continue into the Affiliate Chair voting, and I believe that you now have some more people to help vote in that.
(04/06 11:20:39) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:20:48) (Crier)_Nanouk: brb
(04/06 11:20:53) Relayer Corps: so we have 4 chairs to vote on?
(04/06 11:21:02) Blade Lakem: we want to do another Chair while we are waiting?
(04/06 11:21:02) _Narym_: so its the same people who are nominees for the affiliates as before?
(04/06 11:21:19) _Narym_: actually, Blade, that's probably a good idea
(04/06 11:21:23) [Relayer] Kerryth: We could go ahead with that.
(04/06 11:21:24) Thend: Just let me know who is eligible to vote in each category
(04/06 11:21:34) Relayer Corps: Me, Alty, and Anthony?
(04/06 11:21:47) Shimmerillion: well the services group would currently stand: marten, me, lynnutte, and lial - but lial's not here
(04/06 11:21:48) _Narym_: We could Lisions on Services
(04/06 11:22:03) _Narym_: can we contact Lial out of cavern?
(04/06 11:22:12) Altydwarber: I'm back
(04/06 11:22:15) _Narym_: Marten's ineligble, now, isn't he?
(04/06 11:22:16) (Crier)_Nanouk: back
(04/06 11:22:30) Relayer Corps: Yes he is
(04/06 11:22:32) Blade Lakem: what are the services and who's in charge?
(04/06 11:22:33) Shimmerillion: ineligible for the position
(04/06 11:22:42) _Narym_: Actually, would Blade count as well?
(04/06 11:22:48) _Narym_: Myst Headlines?
(04/06 11:23:03) Shimmerillion: oh yes that's right. i was looking at the list on the web, but it doesn't include myst headlines yet
(04/06 11:23:07) _Narym_: I think we'd decided we would use it, we just hadn't worked out the technical stuff
(04/06 11:23:28) Alderem nods his head
(04/06 11:23:32) Shimmerillion: so: newsletter - lynnutte, website - me, headlines - blade, calendar - lial. marten for rel.to is ineligible.
(04/06 11:24:05) Thend: But Marten can vote still
(04/06 11:24:07) _Narym_: any others?
(04/06 11:24:12) Relayer Corps nods her head
(04/06 11:24:31) Shimmerillion: yes marten can still vote. that's all i can think of - are there any more i've left out?
(04/06 11:24:45) Thend: If Lial's vote is going to count, then he will have to contact me later, if the count necessitates it?
(04/06 11:24:56) Relayer Corps: She will
(04/06 11:25:03) Thend: Sorry, she
(04/06 11:25:05) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:25:10) Thend shrugs
(04/06 11:25:18) _Narym_: I can't really think of anything else...
(04/06 11:25:20) Shimmerillion: no one can vote for his/herself
(04/06 11:25:26) Thend: Okay, are we ready to vote then?
(04/06 11:25:30) Thend nods his head
(04/06 11:25:32) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 11:25:33) _Narym_: Let's start tjhe vote
(04/06 11:25:40) Altydwarber: hold on for what do we vote now
(04/06 11:25:47) Relayer Corps: a chair
(04/06 11:25:48) Thend: Lynet, Marten?
(04/06 11:25:52) Relayer Corps: What?
(04/06 11:25:54) _Narym_: only Lyn, Marten, shimmer, Blade and Lial can vote
(04/06 11:25:59) Shimmerillion: wait - are we doing "peer voting" or "everyone voting"
(04/06 11:26:04) _Narym_: Marten is not eligible as a candidate
(04/06 11:26:08) Veralun: ah ok
(04/06 11:26:09) _Narym_: IT's the peer system, isn't it?
(04/06 11:26:15) Shimmerillion: thats what i thought, yes
(04/06 11:26:16) Thend: Lynet, Marten, Blade and Shim can vote
(04/06 11:26:20) Thend: Only
(04/06 11:26:22) Relayer Corps: so, me, shimmer, blade, and lial
(04/06 11:26:28) _Narym_: yes
(04/06 11:26:32) _Narym_: Only those people are vote
(04/06 11:26:38) Thend: And Marten
(04/06 11:26:44) Shimmerillion: yes
(04/06 11:26:45) _Narym_: MArten, Lyn, Shimmer, Blade and Lial
(04/06 11:26:51) _Narym_: but you can't vote for Marten
(04/06 11:26:56) Thend: Vote now
(04/06 11:28:24) Thend: Okay, votes are in...
(04/06 11:28:35) Relayer Corps: good. there were only 4. lol
(04/06 11:28:38) Thend: But I will need Lial's vote to proceed
(04/06 11:28:43) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 11:28:44) Alderem: Agreed.
(04/06 11:28:54) Shimmerillion: cool
(04/06 11:28:55) Thend: And that may necessitate a second vote between you all
(04/06 11:29:00) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:29:03) Alderem: Alright. :)
(04/06 11:29:11) Blade Lakem: who's going to contact Lial?
(04/06 11:29:11) Shimmerillion: well since there are only 5 we could even do the second vote over a PM in the forum
(04/06 11:29:24) Relayer Corps: I can try to
(04/06 11:29:29) Relayer Corps: just a sec
(04/06 11:30:06) _Narym_: ok
(04/06 11:30:10) Blade Lakem: you have Lial on IM?
(04/06 11:30:16) _Narym_: If we can get her now via IM, that would be awesome
(04/06 11:30:31) Thend: Yeah, would save hassle
(04/06 11:30:50) (Crier)_Nanouk: passes around the KoolAid, lemon like my shirt...lol
(04/06 11:31:02) Alderem: Alright. I'd like to confirm that my vote is not needed for any of the remaining positions to be elected today?
(04/06 11:31:16) _Narym_: um...
(04/06 11:31:18) Shimmerillion: unless there is a runoff
(04/06 11:31:29) Altydwarber: lol yes
(04/06 11:31:35) Blade Lakem: who are the 'liaisons'?
(04/06 11:31:46) _Narym_: Liaison, Marten
(04/06 11:31:47) Blade Lakem: and who votes for Reporters chair?
(04/06 11:31:47) _Narym_: you are one
(04/06 11:31:54) _Narym_: :P
(04/06 11:31:59) Shimmerillion: that is a good question. should it just be guild liasons, or all 4 listed on the site?
(04/06 11:32:01) Thend: Shim, confirm, in case of a tie in any chair, does Marten have deciding vote, or does there need to be a second vote?
(04/06 11:32:01) Alderem: I'll have to negotiate it later if needed then. I'm being pressured to go and get dinner at the moment.
(04/06 11:32:05) _Narym_: all, I think
(04/06 11:32:09) Shimmerillion: reporters may have to wait till we have reporters
(04/06 11:32:19) (Crier)_Nanouk: me liaison for Beyond Uru
(04/06 11:32:25) Shimmerillion: should be second vote in this instance
(04/06 11:32:27) Alderem: I don't think I should be making a deciding vote unless a group absolutely cannot determine it among themselves.
(04/06 11:32:29) Shimmerillion: since there is not an even number of voters
(04/06 11:32:30) _Narym_: I think we just continue with runoffs
(04/06 11:32:30) Thend: Understood Shim, thank you
(04/06 11:32:54) _Narym_: yeah, you can probably go, Grandmaster Marten :P
(04/06 11:32:57) Alderem: Right. Continue with runoffs. If you cannot decide it with runoffs... um... we can always flip a coin or something. :)
(04/06 11:33:02) Shimmerillion: farewell grand master
(04/06 11:33:03) Relayer Corps: Back. Message sent. What are we voting on now and do i need to vote?
(04/06 11:33:05) _Narym_: Just don't get too fat on the fruits of success :P
(04/06 11:33:14) Thend: GM Marten, you can do whatever you like lol
(04/06 11:33:14) Shimmerillion bows
(04/06 11:33:17) Relayer Corps: Bye Marten!
(04/06 11:33:23) _Narym_ bows
(04/06 11:33:26) Thend: You are poobah
(04/06 11:33:26) Ti'chelle: Go in peace GM
(04/06 11:33:27) [Relayer] Kerryth: See you later, Marten.
(04/06 11:33:28) Alderem: I wish that I could stay through the rest of the meeting. I will check for the chat log as soon as I'm back. Thank you everyone!
(04/06 11:33:29) Altydwarber: bye bye GM marten
(04/06 11:33:29) Ti'chelle kneels down...
(04/06 11:33:37) Alderem waves hello
(04/06 11:33:37) Veralun: CU Marten
(04/06 11:33:37) Thend: Seeya later Marten :)
(04/06 11:33:37) Alderem waves goodbye
(04/06 11:33:40) Relayer Corps: Bye Alderem
(04/06 11:33:42) Shimmerillion: bye
(04/06 11:33:54) (Crier)_Nanouk: oops somebody put CrasyGlue on Marten's chair...lol
(04/06 11:34:02) Thend: I suggest voting on next chair
(04/06 11:34:05) _Narym_: can we maybe we can continue with another chair?
(04/06 11:34:10) _Narym_: lol beaten to it :P
(04/06 11:34:13) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 11:34:14) Thend: ;)
(04/06 11:34:16) Shimmerillion: liason voters and nominees are: Nanouk, Szark, Kerryth
(04/06 11:34:16) Relayer Corps: I didn't realize Alderem was Marten
(04/06 11:34:18) Relayer Corps says DOH!
(04/06 11:34:27) Shimmerillion: oh oops Marten should have voted for liasons since he is gow liason
(04/06 11:34:30) Thend: What's with that, huh, RC? lol
(04/06 11:34:40) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:34:43) To Alderem: lol marten
(04/06 11:35:02) To Alderem: were you gonna vote for liaisons?
(04/06 11:35:07) Relayer Corps: well, we can send him a message and he can votwe later
(04/06 11:35:09) Thend: Is Marten still in Uru?
(04/06 11:35:17) _Narym_: I've just pmed him
(04/06 11:35:19) _Narym_: He might reply
(04/06 11:35:20) Relayer Corps: ok
(04/06 11:35:21) Thend: Okay
(04/06 11:35:34) Thend: Shim, moce to another chair, please
(04/06 11:35:38) Thend: move*
(04/06 11:35:39) _Narym_: nah, it must have been too late
(04/06 11:35:46) Thend nods his head
(04/06 11:35:48) [Relayer] Kerryth: Alderem is off line
(04/06 11:35:55) Shimmerillion: are we waiting for someone for affiliates?
(04/06 11:35:57) _Narym_: we can get that another time
(04/06 11:36:03) _Narym_: no
(04/06 11:36:11) Shimmerillion: affiliate nominees: lynnutte, alty, anthony
(04/06 11:36:14) _Narym_: Alty, Anthony and Lyn are all here
(04/06 11:36:16) _Narym_: do that vote now
(04/06 11:36:24) [Relayer] Kerryth: Go ahead with that one, then.
(04/06 11:36:32) Relayer Corps: Am I going to be needed any more? My time at Barnes and Noble is almost up and I need to head home soon.
(04/06 11:36:37) Relayer Corps: That's a yes then.
(04/06 11:36:41) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:36:52) Thend: Vote now
(04/06 11:36:59) Veralun: all?
(04/06 11:37:04) _Narym_: no, just those 3
(04/06 11:37:05) Shimmerillion: no, only those three
(04/06 11:37:10) Veralun: ok
(04/06 11:37:10) Shimmerillion: :)
(04/06 11:37:14) Thend: Just Alty, Anthony, and RC
(04/06 11:37:23) Shimmerillion: ah, narym, we must have matching minds
(04/06 11:37:31) To Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:37:33) To Shimmerillion: we must do
(04/06 11:37:34) Relayer Corps: and we can't vote for ourselves. darn it. lol
(04/06 11:37:50) From Shimmerillion: i just realized i didn't send you a cavern couture. do you still want one? i can do it real fast tonight
(04/06 11:37:53) [Relayer] Kerryth: I'm being called away, I'm afraid.
(04/06 11:37:57) To Shimmerillion: yeah, go for it
(04/06 11:38:01) Relayer Corps: Bye Kerryth!
(04/06 11:38:03) From Shimmerillion: ok cool
(04/06 11:38:08) Altydwarber: bye kerryth
(04/06 11:38:12) [Relayer] Kerryth: I have to go off line for a while. See you later.
(04/06 11:38:13) Shimmerillion: bye kerryth!
(04/06 11:38:14) Ti'chelle: Bye Kerryth, see you later.
(04/06 11:38:15) To Shimmerillion: Jeff said he'd get me a PiM, but he hasn't sent it yet
(04/06 11:38:15) [Relayer] Kerryth waves goodbye
(04/06 11:38:21) Thend: Seeya Kerryth
(04/06 11:38:23) To Shimmerillion: So much content is being delayed again :(
(04/06 11:38:25) Relayer Corps: what do we do if there is a three way tie?
(04/06 11:38:32) Altydwarber: he he
(04/06 11:38:35) Anthony [St. Pat]: give up
(04/06 11:38:39) _Narym_: then we all cry
(04/06 11:38:39) Shimmerillion: er ... somebody change their vote
(04/06 11:38:43) Relayer Corps: Thend gets to vote!
(04/06 11:38:48) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:38:51) _Narym_: lol I'd pay that
(04/06 11:38:57) Relayer Corps: or we wait for the GM
(04/06 11:38:57) Relayer Corps: ?
(04/06 11:39:13) Relayer Corps: Hi wtchywmn
(04/06 11:39:14) Altydwarber: shorah wtchy
(04/06 11:39:18) wtchywmn: hello
(04/06 11:39:18) wtchywmn: :)
(04/06 11:39:19) Thend: Okay, what's all this talking about?
(04/06 11:39:21) Shimmerillion: lets wait and see. maybe it wont be necessary to worry about it
(04/06 11:39:37) _Narym_: we could always increase the number of reps from each affiliate, and make it that they can't vote for anyone from their org
(04/06 11:39:39) Relayer Corps: I want to see Thend vote on SOMETHING for once
(04/06 11:39:47) Altydwarber: lol
(04/06 11:39:49) _Narym_: the odds of not having a tie would increase
(04/06 11:39:54) Shimmerillion: true
(04/06 11:40:05) Relayer Corps: is the verdict in yet?
(04/06 11:40:07) Anthony [St. Pat]: lets see how the vote goes
(04/06 11:40:16) _Narym_: woops, sorry Thend
(04/06 11:40:17) Thend: Yes. Lynet for Affiliates Chair
(04/06 11:40:24) Shimmerillion claps her hands
(04/06 11:40:27) _Narym_ claps his hands
(04/06 11:40:28) Altydwarber claps her hands
(04/06 11:40:28) Thend claps his hands
(04/06 11:40:31) Ti'chelle claps her hands
(04/06 11:40:31) Relayer Corps bows
(04/06 11:40:35) Relayer Corps: ty
(04/06 11:40:36) (Crier)_Nanouk claps his hands
(04/06 11:40:36) Shimmerillion: congrats!
(04/06 11:40:37) _Narym_: Speech! Speech!
(04/06 11:40:43) Blade Lakem: congrats!
(04/06 11:40:46) Relayer Corps: Speech? Me?
(04/06 11:40:52) _Narym_: yes :_
(04/06 11:40:54) _Narym_: :)
(04/06 11:40:56) Relayer Corps: How much time do we have?
(04/06 11:40:57) Shimmerillion roars with laughter
(04/06 11:41:02) _Narym_: 10 seconds :_)
(04/06 11:41:05) Blade Lakem wants to ask a question...
(04/06 11:41:10) _Narym_: yes Blade?
(04/06 11:41:14) Shimmerillion: none, im still hungry
(04/06 11:41:15) (Crier)_Nanouk: you like to speak all the time...lol
(04/06 11:41:20) Relayer Corps: Ok, Am I still needed for voting? I need to go if not.
(04/06 11:41:33) Shimmerillion: you're good, lynnutte
(04/06 11:41:35) Relayer Corps: You have no idea Nanouk
(04/06 11:41:39) Blade Lakem: how does Lyn having that chair affect the Services vote?
(04/06 11:41:43) Relayer Corps: Ok ty. See everyone later.
(04/06 11:41:43) Ti'chelle: See you later Lynn
(04/06 11:41:45) Shimmerillion: she can't be services
(04/06 11:41:54) Shimmerillion: well, let me backtrack
(04/06 11:41:57) Shimmerillion: she can't be both
(04/06 11:41:57) Relayer Corps: I can still voite, but not get the chair
(04/06 11:41:59) Thend: Seeya RC
(04/06 11:41:59) (Crier)_Nanouk: bye Lynn
(04/06 11:42:12) Blade Lakem: Ah she could decide which she wants?
(04/06 11:42:21) Shimmerillion: yes, that would be fair
(04/06 11:42:42) Relayer Corps: Which chair did I get?
(04/06 11:42:49) _Narym_: Affiliate
(04/06 11:43:05) Relayer Corps: And what does that job entail?
(04/06 11:43:17) Altydwarber: to be online 24/7
(04/06 11:43:17) Shimmerillion: it's the same job for each committee -
(04/06 11:43:18) _Narym_: just representing all the affiliates
(04/06 11:43:20) Veralun: serving coffe
(04/06 11:43:25) (Crier)_Nanouk: lots of work...lol
(04/06 11:43:26) Shimmerillion: representing your peers at the council (or whatever we call it)
(04/06 11:43:28) _Narym_: and presumably to vote on any matters that need voting
(04/06 11:43:45) Relayer Corps: I'll take the chair I was voted into. Someone else can take the next one because the candidates are different.
(04/06 11:43:46) _Narym_: but anyway
(04/06 11:43:50) Anthony [St. Pat]: You need not worry TCT wont be loading you much
(04/06 11:43:55) Shimmerillion: lol
(04/06 11:43:55) Relayer Corps: lol
(04/06 11:44:03) Thend: Okay, we need to move along
(04/06 11:44:10) Thend: Shim, next chair?
(04/06 11:44:13) _Narym_: Thend, if Lyn is no longer eligible for the Services chair, dopes that resolve the vote?
(04/06 11:44:14) Relayer Corps: I will see everyone later. bye
(04/06 11:44:22) _Narym_: *does
(04/06 11:44:24) Shimmerillion: bye
(04/06 11:44:24) Thend: Seeya and congrats RC
(04/06 11:44:35) Altydwarber: bye bye lynutte
(04/06 11:44:45) Blade Lakem: bye lyn
(04/06 11:44:46) Altydwarber: yes congrats:)
(04/06 11:44:48) Shimmerillion: thend, does lynutte's affiliate chairship affect the services chairship?
(04/06 11:44:56) Shimmerillion: if so, that's one more taken care of
(04/06 11:45:00) _Narym_: I already asked that :)
(04/06 11:45:08) Shimmerillion: again with the jinxes
(04/06 11:45:13) Shimmerillion: !
(04/06 11:45:21) _Narym_: and then the only other chair would be reporters, which is more or less not applicable at this stage
(04/06 11:45:25) Thend: Shim, I shouldn't be asked, but I'd say she at least still gets to vote
(04/06 11:45:40) _Narym_: she does get to vote, but she can't win it
(04/06 11:45:46) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 11:45:54) Blade Lakem: well, whomever voted for her would need to revote, no?
(04/06 11:46:02) _Narym_: hmm, this is true
(04/06 11:46:03) Thend: I guess, I only heard discussed GM not being able to hold two positions
(04/06 11:46:04) Shimmerillion: oh, i see, blade
(04/06 11:46:25) Altydwarber: the same goes for the chairs
(04/06 11:46:26) _Narym_: that's the same for all chairs, not just GM, Thend
(04/06 11:46:42) Thend: Okay, then yes, it might
(04/06 11:46:52) _Narym_: darn it
(04/06 11:46:56) Shimmerillion: do we still need to let lial vote though
(04/06 11:46:58) _Narym_: We''re missing people though...
(04/06 11:47:02) _Narym_: yes, we do
(04/06 11:47:04) Altydwarber: you can't st on 2 chairs on the same time
(04/06 11:47:08) Shimmerillion: right
(04/06 11:47:15) Thend: Is this confirmed, one cannot hold two chairs? And if so, then how would the order of the elections affect things?
(04/06 11:47:27) _Narym_: so we should just redo the vote outside the cavern later
(04/06 11:47:33) _Narym_: for Services
(04/06 11:47:36) Shimmerillion: since lynnutte chose the affiliates chair, that takes her out of contention for the services chair
(04/06 11:47:42) Shimmerillion: we should redo the services vote later
(04/06 11:47:45) Thend: Like, if Services was first voted on, it'd affect Affiliates process
(04/06 11:47:57) _Narym_: Well, we did GM first, cause that was the most important
(04/06 11:48:09) Thend: That's right Anrym
(04/06 11:48:09) Shimmerillion: right. it shouldn't be a problem with any other committees
(04/06 11:48:11) _Narym_: But I don't know if you can value the other positions in that way...
(04/06 11:48:14) Thend: Narym*
(04/06 11:48:28) Shimmerillion: and since lynnutte actively chose the affiliates chair herself, that solves the ranking issue
(04/06 11:48:37) Altydwarber: right
(04/06 11:48:42) Thend: Okay, if that is agreed upon
(04/06 11:48:48) _Narym_: yep, sounds good
(04/06 11:48:52) Veralun: agreed
(04/06 11:48:54) Shimmerillion: so redo the services vote
(04/06 11:48:57) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok
(04/06 11:48:58) _Narym_: so we redo the Services vote at a later date?
(04/06 11:49:03) _Narym_: cause we're missing voters now
(04/06 11:49:09) Shimmerillion: liasons are szark, nanouk, kerryth, and marten (vote only)
(04/06 11:49:25) Shimmerillion: yeah, i have to leave anyway but i think narym has a good hold on how it works ;)
(04/06 11:49:31) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:49:34) Shimmerillion: thanks for your impartial help, thend!
(04/06 11:49:37) _Narym_: so we're going to do Liaisons now?
(04/06 11:49:40) Shimmerillion: i'll see everyone later
(04/06 11:49:46) Blade Lakem: I was afk for a minute. What'd I miss?
(04/06 11:49:50) Altydwarber: bye shim
(04/06 11:49:52) _Narym_: with Martens vote to be added in later
(04/06 11:50:00) Thend: Okay, Services votes will be thrown out, and revoted
(04/06 11:50:02) _Narym_: um, I don't know
(04/06 11:50:12) _Narym_: yes, I think so
(04/06 11:50:15) Blade Lakem: For liaisons, we'd need Szark, no?
(04/06 11:50:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok for a later vote
(04/06 11:50:23) _Narym_: Oh darn, he's not here, is he....
(04/06 11:50:24) Veralun: yes
(04/06 11:50:26) Thend: I think so, from the results
(04/06 11:50:41) Thend: Probably Blade, yes
(04/06 11:50:45) _Narym_: well, we probably should leave that one too then, if we're missing 50% of the voting group
(04/06 11:50:57) Thend: Okay, what's the last actegory?
(04/06 11:51:11) _Narym_: Reporters, which is basically the miscellaneous group
(04/06 11:51:31) Thend: Persons being voted upon?
(04/06 11:51:32) Blade Lakem: There are no 'reporters' yet.
(04/06 11:51:40) Thend: And able to vote?
(04/06 11:51:40) Thend: Ah
(04/06 11:51:49) Blade Lakem: I think that's a 'to be determined'
(04/06 11:51:58) _Narym_: So are we agreed to defer Reporter voting to a later date?
(04/06 11:52:08) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 11:52:08) (Crier)_Nanouk: agtee
(04/06 11:52:11) Blade Lakem: sure
(04/06 11:52:16) _Narym_: ok
(04/06 11:52:17) (Crier)_Nanouk: agree*
(04/06 11:52:24) _Narym_: I think one or two other things need to be sorted
(04/06 11:52:24) Thend: Okay, well this is how it stands...
(04/06 11:52:30) Thend: GM is Marten
(04/06 11:52:38) Thend: Lynet is Affiliates CHair
(04/06 11:52:50) Thend: Services votes to be entirely re-voted upon
(04/06 11:52:57) Thend: Liasons to be voted upon
(04/06 11:53:04) Thend: And Reporters up in air
(04/06 11:53:06) _Narym_: lol
(04/06 11:53:11) Thend: That's it, your ball now ;)
(04/06 11:53:15) Blade Lakem: wooo!
(04/06 11:53:17) Altydwarber claps her hands
(04/06 11:53:18) _Narym_: it took forever just to get those two votes :P
(04/06 11:53:21) Veralun: good one
(04/06 11:53:22) Thend: Well done folks
(04/06 11:53:30) Altydwarber: well done thend
(04/06 11:53:34) _Narym_: Thanks to Thend for hus generous help
(04/06 11:53:37) (Crier)_Nanouk: Thanks Thend
(04/06 11:53:38) _Narym_ claps his hands
(04/06 11:53:38) Veralun: thank you all
(04/06 11:53:46) _Narym_: Now, one other thing
(04/06 11:53:47) Ti'chelle claps her hands
(04/06 11:53:50) Veralun: well I am off
(04/06 11:53:50) Thend: Yeah, np :)
(04/06 11:53:55) Thend: Yes Narym?
(04/06 11:53:56) Veralun: CU all laters
(04/06 11:54:00) _Narym_: The way this sytem was going to work was, we vote for stuff now
(04/06 11:54:02) Altydwarber: bye veralun
(04/06 11:54:02) Ti'chelle: Nite Veralun
(04/06 11:54:05) Thend: Seeya Veralun
(04/06 11:54:08) Veralun waves hello
(04/06 11:54:11) _Narym_: and then place the results in a public forum for public perusal
(04/06 11:54:15) Altydwarber waves goodbye
(04/06 11:54:23) (Crier)_Nanouk: nite Veralun
(04/06 11:54:29) _Narym_: There would then be a cool down period for people to voice disapproval befoe the votes stuck
(04/06 11:55:07) _Narym_: Now, I realise we don't have everyoner here, but I think we need to sort this, and we have enough people to reach a consensus
(04/06 11:55:18) _Narym_: How long do we want this period to be. Two weeks?
(04/06 11:55:25) Blade Lakem: A week max
(04/06 11:55:31) Thend nods his head
(04/06 11:55:33) Altydwarber: yes
(04/06 11:55:34) _Narym_: Sounds good
(04/06 11:55:36) (Crier)_Nanouk: If hey had cared, they would have been here today...lol
(04/06 11:55:40) Anthony [St. Pat]: One Month
(04/06 11:55:41) Blade Lakem nods his head
(04/06 11:55:50) Thend doesn't really have a say, that was just an opinion nod
(04/06 11:55:51) Altydwarber: yes I agree no need for waiting
(04/06 11:56:05) _Narym_: Anthony says a month
(04/06 11:56:08) Blade Lakem: I think a month is too long.
(04/06 11:56:17) Altydwarber: that is much to long
(04/06 11:56:19) _Narym_: Can we have a compromise, maybe?
(04/06 11:56:43) (Crier)_Nanouk: two weeks...lol
(04/06 11:56:53) Anthony [St. Pat]: TCT needs the ablity to discuss this and it can't happen with our forums down
(04/06 11:56:53) Ti'chelle: I think that things need to get rolling. It can always be changed at alter date after the Guild is established and working
(04/06 11:56:53) Altydwarber: I think people are glad that thereare chairs now and don't reject it
(04/06 11:57:14) _Narym_: We can place a thread on the GoMe forum
(04/06 11:57:21) (Crier)_Nanouk: agree qith Alty
(04/06 11:57:26) _Narym_: Most active TCTers have Guild access
(04/06 11:57:30) Thend wants to ask a question...
(04/06 11:57:30) (Crier)_Nanouk: with*
(04/06 11:57:37) Altydwarber: yes?
(04/06 11:57:40) _Narym_: we can put it in an non-registration required area
(04/06 11:57:45) _Narym_: Yes Thend, your question?
(04/06 11:57:50) (Crier)_Nanouk: go Thend
(04/06 11:58:16) Thend: Just a point that will be brought up. What is the term, and is there any limits to be re-elected?
(04/06 11:58:26) _Narym_: Yes, I was going to come to that
(04/06 11:58:33) Thend nods his head
(04/06 11:58:56) _Narym_: I personally feel that the chairs should not allow for adjacent terms
(04/06 11:59:01) _Narym_: ie you can't have two in a row
(04/06 11:59:07) _Narym_: but that's just me
(04/06 11:59:09) _Narym_: thoughts?
(04/06 11:59:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: one year term
(04/06 11:59:41) Altydwarber: yes i think that is a good term
(04/06 11:59:49) (Crier)_Nanouk: for the first run,
(04/06 12:00:00) Thend: Personally, I've never seen anything wrong with rollover terms. If anyone wants change, then they vote that way, and if things are running smoothly, why change it?
(04/06 12:00:24) (Crier)_Nanouk: to be reviewed after one year
(04/06 12:00:29) Thend: Just an opinion
(04/06 12:00:47) To Anthony [St. Pat]: two weeks is sufficient, I think. We can get in contact with the main TCT people, and we can post something on the home page redirecting to the appropriate part of the GoMe forums
(04/06 12:00:53) _Narym_: anyone else?
(04/06 12:01:12) (Crier)_Nanouk: or sooner if a chair is left vacant
(04/06 12:01:19) Ti'chelle: Yes, I see no reason to limit to just one term of one year, maybe two or so.
(04/06 12:01:38) Thend: Ti, a lot can change in a year
(04/06 12:01:39) _Narym_: are we looking at a one year term?
(04/06 12:01:55) (Crier)_Nanouk: me vote yes
(04/06 12:01:59) Altydwarber: yes i think that that is the best way
(04/06 12:02:03) _Narym_: I reckon we should be looking at a shorter one, mysefl
(04/06 12:02:17) Anthony [St. Pat]: Well I have to go need to get back to repairs
(04/06 12:02:17) _Narym_: And then we can allow for multiple terms
(04/06 12:02:18) Ti'chelle: I'm sorry, I miss worded my statement, yes, I see now.
(04/06 12:02:24) Altydwarber: and if it all goes smoothly they can be revoted
(04/06 12:03:00) _Narym_: well, we're loosing people, so I don't think we're going to come to a consensus on that
(04/06 12:03:14) (Crier)_Nanouk: if someone sbmit a sbstancial petition, we could revote
(04/06 12:03:39) _Narym_: Can we for now work on a 2 week cooldown for votes?
(04/06 12:03:49) _Narym_: Term length will need more discussion, l;ikely on the forums
(04/06 12:04:13) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok for 2 weeks cool down
(04/06 12:04:24) Altydwarber: ok fine by me
(04/06 12:04:40) Ti'chelle: Is there a next meeting planned for after the shut-down?
(04/06 12:04:52) Altydwarber: no
(04/06 12:04:54) _Narym_: well, not one in cavern
(04/06 12:04:59) (Crier)_Nanouk: have not seen one yet
(04/06 12:05:02) Ti'chelle: Ahhh thanks Alty
(04/06 12:05:09) _Narym_: if an Until Uru arrangement starts up, we''ll arrange one ASAP
(04/06 12:05:16) Ti'chelle: well,,,hmmm I guess so.
(04/06 12:05:17) Thend: You are all welcome to hold meeting at the Explorer Community Center in Second Life
(04/06 12:05:19) Ti'chelle: haha
(04/06 12:05:22) _Narym_: if not, we'll probably try to do these things via IM, or IRC or something
(04/06 12:05:24) Altydwarber: i would say in two weeks on the guild of messengers forum
(04/06 12:05:28) _Narym_: or yes, via other MMOs
(04/06 12:05:32) Thend: Or I'm sure There can accomodate you, as well, if you wish
(04/06 12:05:41) _Narym_: Yeah, I'll handle summaries and minutes and forum posts
(04/06 12:06:01) _Narym_: yep, that's cool.
(04/06 12:06:06) _Narym_: Are there any other questions/comments?
(04/06 12:06:17) Thend wants to ask a question...
(04/06 12:06:18) Altydwarber: not for me
(04/06 12:06:22) _Narym_: Thend, yes?>
(04/06 12:06:47) (Crier)_Nanouk: no qqqqqqqquestions
(04/06 12:06:57) Thend: Would just suggest after you have the voting, etc out of the way, begin immediatley to establish a clear focus, especially in these times
(04/06 12:07:05) _Narym_: yes, definitely
(04/06 12:07:08) Thend: It will hold things together
(04/06 12:07:12) (Crier)_Nanouk: I am getting tired...lol
(04/06 12:07:16) Altydwarber: yes agree
(04/06 12:07:26) _Narym_: We're trying to get a whole lot of news feeds and stuff online going, to spread news
(04/06 12:07:28) Thend: That's it from me. Thanks for allowing me to participate
(04/06 12:07:36) Ti'chelle: Well, thank you for accepting me back into the fold, wish I had said that earlier haha
(04/06 12:07:37) Altydwarber: yes me too nanouk it is here 03.10 now
(04/06 12:07:40) (Crier)_Nanouk: will try to find Thend in SL
(04/06 12:07:43) _Narym_: We're also going to look at A RElayer Corps rework to help connect other MMOs
(04/06 12:07:50) _Narym_: and a bunch of other stuff for a later date :D
(04/06 12:07:54) Thend: Cool. I will contact you all if anything comes up on my end, please feel free to do the same with me
(04/06 12:07:55) (Crier)_Nanouk: nect week
(04/06 12:08:08) _Narym_: anyways, if that is all, I will now officially close this meeting
(04/06 12:08:09) Thend: (Thend Destiny in SL, Thend in There)
(04/06 12:08:10) Altydwarber: ok thanks thend
(04/06 12:08:15) Thend nods his head
(04/06 12:08:15) _Narym_: Thanks all for coming
(04/06 12:08:23) _Narym_: and yeah, Thend, keep in touch
(04/06 12:08:24) (Crier)_Nanouk: welcome
(04/06 12:08:35) Thend: Seya all later. Take care
(04/06 12:08:43) _Narym_: shorah
(04/06 12:08:48) Altydwarber: well goodnight all see you later
(04/06 12:08:51) _Narym_: bye
(04/06 12:08:57) _Narym_: I'm heading off too
(04/06 12:08:57) Ti'chelle: Nite all
(04/06 12:09:04) _Narym_: Take care, all
(04/06 12:09:06) (Crier)_Nanouk: start a SL thread in GoMe forums...lol
(04/06 12:09:20) ...Chat.log stopped.

 

2008, January 5th Chatlog: GoMe Meeting

Original thread can be found here: http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13697

(01/06 00:14:15) Chat.log started...
(01/06 00:14:22) Shimmerillion: then i've got a list of stuff after that
(01/06 00:14:27) Shimmerillion: lol oops
(01/06 00:14:35) Shimmerillion: so anyway that's the only update i have
(01/06 00:15:02) Shimmerillion: who's next?
(01/06 00:15:0 Veralun: do you know reCAPTCHA ?
(01/06 00:15:27) Shimmerillion: yes, and supposedly it's installed, but it's not doing a lot of good
(01/06 00:15:32) Veralun: nice yo implement in a forum against spambots
(01/06 00:15:44) Marten: Re> Ghaelen - she won't be able to attend, she just told me she's "Elbow deep in glaze".
(01/06 00:15:46) Veralun: it is a small help
(01/06 00:15:55) Veralun: ai
(01/06 00:15:59) Thend: Thanks Marten lol
(01/06 00:15:59) Crier for all: lol marten ok
(01/06 00:16:05) Shimmerillion: lol
(01/06 00:16:16) Shimmerillion: yes, i'm sure we'd have a lot more if we didn't have the captchas
(01/06 00:16:47) Marten: I think for avoiding the spambots, you've got to do what I suggested before; something that is sufficiently unique from other sites so there's no desire by spammers to tailor their system to hack it.
(01/06 00:16:57) Veralun: you can ask Tweek ot Amonre for advice
(01/06 00:17:25) Marten: The Great Tree hasn't had any spammers of which I'm aware, at all, since putting in a stupidly easy quiz question.
(01/06 00:17:42) Shimmerillion: yes, the quiz question is the mod i'm currently looking at
(01/06 00:18:05) Thend: 'What is the color of Marten's eyes?'
(01/06 00:18:09) Shimmerillion: lol
(01/06 00:18:11) Marten: LOL
(01/06 00:18:14) Crier for all starts to laugh
(01/06 00:18:1 Marten doesn't see any spammers here...
(01/06 00:18:1 Boogihn f'toogo: he he
(01/06 00:18:27) Shimmerillion peers into Marten's eyes ....
(01/06 00:18:46) Boogihn f'toogo: just in case, marten what color are your eyes?
(01/06 00:18:49) Marten: The combination to securing an account at the Great Tree forum is like the comination to Skroob's luggage.
(01/06 00:18:52) Thend snickers
(01/06 00:19:00) Crier for all sees that marten is getting red ears
(01/06 00:19:05) Marten: Hazel.
(01/06 00:19:12) Boogihn f'toogo: thx
(01/06 00:19:54) Shimmerillion: ok, so does anyone have any specific updates, or shall we move on to projects?
(01/06 00:20:34) Veralun: no update here
(01/06 00:20:37) Thend is here for the free donuts
(01/06 00:20:51) Shimmerillion: someone pass thend a donut
(01/06 00:20:51) Boogihn f'toogo: lol
(01/06 00:21:05) Boogihn f'toogo passes donuts and keeps the java
(01/06 00:21:10) Shimmerillion: ok, well one project we had mentioned was doing a sort of membership drive
(01/06 00:21:15) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Sorry, dinner was at that critical stir stage!
(01/06 00:21:2 Crier for all: lol
(01/06 00:21:34) Veralun: did you eat it?
(01/06 00:21:44) [Relayer]DMom_2000: No, lol it has to go into the oven next
(01/06 00:21:49) Veralun: ok
(01/06 00:21:51) Thend: Thanks Boog. Wb DM. And Shim, what's that about?
(01/06 00:22:29) Shimmerillion: well several of the affiliates, as well as gome itself, are short-staffed, so we thought it would be good to work as a team to recruit for everyone at the same time
(01/06 00:22:46) Thend nods his head
(01/06 00:23:09) Shimmerillion: We could pass around a KImail with the list of open positions and website
(01/06 00:23:23) Shimmerillion: any other ideas?
(01/06 00:23:41) Crier for all: it is mentioned in the GoMe newsletter but so far no response on that
(01/06 00:24:22) Crier for all: do you all have the gomenewsletter?
(01/06 00:24:32) Boogihn f'toogo: maybe a GoMe version of cavern job fair?
(01/06 00:24:32) Shimmerillion: no, i don't actually
(01/06 00:24:41) Shimmerillion: yes, boogihn
(01/06 00:24:53) Veralun: ty
(01/06 00:24:5 Shimmerillion: that's a good idea
(01/06 00:25:01) [Relayer]DMom_2000: i like the idea of a GoMe job fair
(01/06 00:25:05) Thend: I may need it, thanks. My KI is a mess
(01/06 00:25:19) To Boogihn f'toogo: sent it to all
(01/06 00:25:26) Crier for all: sent it to all
(01/06 00:25:39) [Relayer]DMom_2000: We are currently trying to see how many we have for the next season and probably will be recruiting again
(01/06 00:25:4 Shimmerillion: we might try a graphical flyer as well, just to diversify our advertising
(01/06 00:26:05) Thend: I think the GoMe Job Fair is a good idea. Have to watch events, though, space them out so they do not become too commonplace. But I think this at this time may justify it
(01/06 00:26:26) Shimmerillion: so do you guys think we should try this now, or would waiting for the next season mean we get better results (more people in-cavern)?
(01/06 00:26:2 Thend: I think the supposed 'Announcement' we are all expecting will have to come first, perhaps
(01/06 00:26:30) Shimmerillion: or both?
(01/06 00:26:41) Veralun: agree
(01/06 00:26:47) Crier for all: right
(01/06 00:26:51) Veralun: wait for the announcement
(01/06 00:26:55) Shimmerillion: ok
(01/06 00:27:01) Veralun: ppl are a bit lame at this moment
(01/06 00:27:02) Boogihn f'toogo: i am noticing more and more ppl incavern these days
(01/06 00:27:10) Shimmerillion: that's good
(01/06 00:27:15) Crier for all: ye indeed
(01/06 00:27:23) Thend: Once the Announcement happens, for better or worse, interest will spike. Depending, of course on the nature of it
(01/06 00:27:24) Shimmerillion: maybe we can pass around the KImail for now
(01/06 00:27:29) Shimmerillion: right
(01/06 00:27:35) Veralun: yep
(01/06 00:27:43) Boogihn f'toogo: and maybe start the hype about the job fair
(01/06 00:27:50) Thend nods his head
(01/06 00:27:57) Crier for all: good idea
(01/06 00:28:09) Shimmerillion: maybe we could have the job fair the same day the episode starts
(01/06 00:28:17) Boogihn f'toogo: oh no!
(01/06 00:28:20) Shimmerillion: that would give explorers something to do while they wait for news
(01/06 00:28:26) Crier for all: no don't think so
(01/06 00:28:31) Boogihn f'toogo: Maybe the day before.... lol
(01/06 00:28:3 Shimmerillion: lol ok
(01/06 00:28:41) Marten wants to ask a question...
(01/06 00:28:46) Shimmerillion: yes marten?
(01/06 00:28:47) Veralun: I do not know how it goes with the D'ni Games, but that would also a good oppertunity to profile us
(01/06 00:29:00) Boogihn f'toogo: Oooo yes, veralun
(01/06 00:29:00) Veralun: sorry
(01/06 00:29:02) Marten: I'd like to comment a little on the nature of recruiting volunteers.
(01/06 00:29:06) Thend: I think the Episode (if it happens) will be farther into the future. I say a Job Fair right after announcement and hype for GoMe, etc, then one directly before supposed Episode
(01/06 00:29:26) Shimmerillion: go ahead, marten
(01/06 00:30:01) Marten: One of the difficult things about getting volunteers is finding people who're passionate about what you're doing (this is how charities attract volunteers) and don't mind that the project isn't realy their own, or who see a way to help make it their own.
(01/06 00:30:45) Boogihn f'toogo: Marten you speak very wisely
(01/06 00:30:56) Marten: So, I would recommend emphasizing to potential people who want to work with the GoMe that we're open to bringing in new ideas and projects as well as looking for someone to help with existing projects.
(01/06 00:31:33) Marten: It's one thing with CCN that I really admire, they work well because they know they can't do each of their projects on their own, but they can work together and create synergy.
(01/06 00:31:52) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(01/06 00:31:55) Veralun: right
(01/06 00:31:59) Crier for all: indeed
(01/06 00:31:59) Boogihn f'toogo:
(01/06 00:32:02) Marten: That's the end of my comment
(01/06 00:32:11) Shimmerillion: and a good one
(01/06 00:32:29) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I like Thend's suggestion of timing as well.
(01/06 00:32:34) Boogihn f'toogo: Shorah
(01/06 00:32:35) Crier for all: shorah mtigerv
(01/06 00:32:46) MTigerV: howdy floks
(01/06 00:32:52) Shimmerillion: welcome, mtv
(01/06 00:32:55) Shimmerillion:
(01/06 00:33:00) Boogihn f'toogo: Yes, not just one thing but a combo of things
(01/06 00:33:01) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Shorah
(01/06 00:33:07) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(01/06 00:33:15) Shimmerillion: well, d'ni games start on the 13 - is that still correct?
(01/06 00:33:25) [Relayer]DMom_2000: As far as I know
(01/06 00:33:25) Veralun: yes
(01/06 00:33:45) Thend: I agree with Marten, and add that if an organization is seen as well-run, it goes a long way on the attracting front. I think GoMe has proven admirably itself on this account
(01/06 00:33:47) Veralun: I hope Dovahn or what is his name can realise all
(01/06 00:34:16) Boogihn f'toogo: He is certainly climbing uphill
(01/06 00:34:24) Crier for all: yes indeed they still need people
(01/06 00:34:32) Boogihn f'toogo: I hope he succeeds as well
(01/06 00:34:47) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Yes, those games can bring a lot of people together
(01/06 00:34:50) Boogihn f'toogo: To tell you the truth....
(01/06 00:34:52) Thend: Yes Veralun. From what I know of the 1st D'ni Games, it is an incredible challenge
(01/06 00:34:59) Shimmerillion: maybe we can "cover" the games, like ESPN here in the states - and have the announcer announce that videos or pictures will be available from the GoMe
(01/06 00:35:09) Boogihn f'toogo: If i didnt read the forums, i wouldnt know anything about the D'ni Games
(01/06 00:35:10) Veralun: yeah
(01/06 00:35:13) Thend: Shim, yes
(01/06 00:35:20) Veralun: I contacted rex havoc about this
(01/06 00:35:24) Shimmerillion: great
(01/06 00:35:35) Veralun: he is offering his help as much as he can
(01/06 00:35:49) Veralun: but Dovahn has to make the step to ask him
(01/06 00:36:02) Boogihn f'toogo: Ahhhh
(01/06 00:36:03) Thend: Same here Boog. But I have been out-of-the-loop for a bit for various reasons, so dunno how the Games have been promoted In-Cavern
(01/06 00:36:10) Veralun: which he did not yet
(01/06 00:36:14) Boogihn f'toogo: Not
(01/06 00:36:22) [Relayer]DMom_2000: i volunteered to be a referee an/or a crowd wrangler but am waiting to see if he is going to let us know where and what we have to do
(01/06 00:36:35) Crier for all: they have asked the Criers to bring the news in the cavern
(01/06 00:36:52) Boogihn f'toogo: Do we have a flyer yet?
(01/06 00:36:59) Boogihn f'toogo: Cfa?
(01/06 00:37:00) Crier for all: no not yet
(01/06 00:37:12) Veralun: to be hounest I think this need more preparation and time
(01/06 00:37:17) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(01/06 00:37:23) Boogihn f'toogo nods her head
(01/06 00:37:31) Shimmerillion: i wonder if Samsbase or someone would be interested in broadcasting "live coverage" that we could plug
(01/06 00:37:43) [Relayer]DMom_2000: He has yet to have meetings with those who might have volunteered for positions
(01/06 00:37:47) Veralun: so if this fails now we have to try to do it later
(01/06 00:38:17) Thend: Veralun, yeah on the point that a major event cannot be stepped into lightly, organization-wise
(01/06 00:38:44) Veralun: I do not see it as my task but I think the GoME can play an important roll in this
(01/06 00:39:02) [Relayer]DMom_2000: from past experience, SuperGram puts a lot of effort, meetings and organization into her St. Patricks Day Parade
(01/06 00:39:21) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Same needs to be done with the Games
(01/06 00:39:26) Veralun: Is it an idea to ask her?
(01/06 00:39:31) Boogihn f'toogo: It seems like Dovahn might need an assistant
(01/06 00:39:3 [Relayer]DMom_2000: i dont think she would be interested in the games
(01/06 00:39:51) Veralun: no but I am thinking further
(01/06 00:39:51) [Relayer]DMom_2000: She is already looking at the Parade, lol
(01/06 00:39:55) Shimmerillion: well, we can't plan the games for him; all we can do is offer our services as gome
(01/06 00:40:02) Veralun: st Patricks parade etc
(01/06 00:40:2 Veralun: that is what I mean Shimm
(01/06 00:40:32) [Relayer]DMom_2000: She told me the other night that she will be contacting people for publicity etc.
(01/06 00:40:47) Thend: oops lol
(01/06 00:40:59) Shimmerillion: cool. well it sounds like even if we can't get it together in time for the games, the parade would be another good opportunity
(01/06 00:41:0 Thend hates his KI. Or at least really dislikes it
(01/06 00:41:14) Shimmerillion: lol
(01/06 00:41:30) Crier for all: lol throw it away
(01/06 00:41:31) Veralun: yes there are coming oppertunities enough
(01/06 00:41:44) [Relayer]DMom_2000: i have been nagging her because Relayers Hood want to be one of the hosting hoods this year!
(01/06 00:41:46) Thend: (I wish, Crier)
(01/06 00:41:53) Veralun: now we need the ppl to do this
(01/06 00:42:03) Veralun: as marten said
(01/06 00:42:06) Shimmerillion: lol and we're back to square one
(01/06 00:42:11) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Lol, and I nominated Biegalski for the Grand Marshal, lol
(01/06 00:42:30) Crier for all: lol
(01/06 00:42:5 Thend: Wait. Grand Marshal of St Pat's Parade? lol
(01/06 00:43:11) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Well, the REBELs will love it
(01/06 00:43:2 Thend: Maybe a deputy GM. I thought Rand was da guy?
(01/06 00:43:30) Shimmerillion: yeah they will
(01/06 00:43:42) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Though if she can get Greydragon or Rand again that would really be a draw
(01/06 00:43:56) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Depends on who she can get
(01/06 00:43:5 Thend: I think they have been all the other years
(01/06 00:44:00) Boogihn f'toogo: Is there a way to set up a recruitment activity in the greeters bevin or the beginners bevin?
(01/06 00:44:10) Shimmerillion: now theres an idea
(01/06 00:44:20) Boogihn f'toogo: To help some of the new explorers know about our guild?
(01/06 00:44:36) MTigerV: how about manning the table in kriel?
(01/06 00:44:39) [Relayer]DMom_2000: that would be interesting
(01/06 00:44:55) Veralun: like that idea MTV
(01/06 00:44:55) Boogihn f'toogo: If there were ever any ppl in Kirel
(01/06 00:45:02) Shimmerillion: yes, they could shoot them a brochure
(01/06 00:45:02) Boogihn f'toogo: It might attract some more ppl
(01/06 00:45:24) MTigerV: is it a constant place like the general city?
(01/06 00:45:30) Boogihn f'toogo: No
(01/06 00:45:3 Boogihn f'toogo: You have to intentionally go there
(01/06 00:45:41) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Though, GoG don't want extra stuff to distract the new folk, they could be directed to say, GoG2 or Beginners
(01/06 00:45:44) Thend: (Btw, suggestion on St Pat's coverage. First time I attended Rand was voicing to everyone over TeamSpeak. Last time, only organizers heard him there. I would say the excitement/interest level would be increased if everyone could hear/interact with him again like that first time)
(01/06 00:45:4 Boogihn f'toogo: That is why there needs to be something to draw ppl there
(01/06 00:45:52) Veralun: city is still the best place to recrute ppl
(01/06 00:46:01) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Beginners might be a good starting point...I see a lot come there looking for the orientations
(01/06 00:46:02) Crier for all: I would rather have it in the city at the tent on tokatah square
(01/06 00:46:14) Crier for all: that is a really good meeting point
(01/06 00:46:25) Shimmerillion: maybe we could ask for a minute at the beginning of each orientation, just to plug gome
(01/06 00:46:30) Boogihn f'toogo: Except that is a real playground area
(01/06 00:46:37) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Thend, it would have to be a hear only thing...otherwise he would be overwhelmed again
(01/06 00:46:40) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Lol
(01/06 00:47:05) [Relayer]DMom_2000: though it was fun talking with him <big grin>
(01/06 00:47:12) Veralun: also use the MOUL forum
(01/06 00:47:15) Thend: Crier, I agree. The Tent's a good place to utilize for that
(01/06 00:47:35) Boogihn f'toogo: that would have to be PM'd then
(01/06 00:47:45) Marten: You could ask the ResEngs if the guilds could put up some notices on their bulletin board. Say, let the greeters have a slide, maintainers and cartographers on another, writers and messengers on a third.
(01/06 00:47:46) Boogihn f'toogo: The tent area is a real playground....
(01/06 00:48:16) Thend: (DM, perhaps, but the first time TS was packed, but everyone could say Hi to Rand, and were very polite. Though, if nothing else, yes, everyone should at least hear him)
(01/06 00:48:1 Shimmerillion: marten, that's a fabulous idea! Or - we could create a generic "join a guild" brochure with a blurb, logo, and "how to get more info" on each one
(01/06 00:48:19) Crier for all: true but we need people and the meet there the most
(01/06 00:48:24) [Relayer]DMom_2000: i would like to see something on each Guild pub imager like that....most people will come through here at some point
(01/06 00:49:00) Boogihn f'toogo: I wonder how many ppl have been through here this past month?
(01/06 00:49:02) Marten: If the guilds co-promote each other it could build unity.
(01/06 00:49:10) Shimmerillion: yes exactly
(01/06 00:49:14) [Relayer]DMom_2000: i would love to have Rand say something over TS to everyone...that would certainly make it a special occasion for everyone
(01/06 00:49:21) Crier for all: hmm i hate to say it but not many come to the guild pub
(01/06 00:49:34) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Or he could go to a channel..but I think those are limited in numbers so that might be a problem
(01/06 00:49:40) Boogihn f'toogo: I would agree Crier
(01/06 00:50:24) Boogihn f'toogo: Maybe we should just have one conversation at a time here. Lets finish abut the parade plans and then come back to promoting the guilds
(01/06 00:50:34) Boogihn f'toogo: I am getting confused what to read.... lol
(01/06 00:51:00) Marten: Sorry! I thought we had moved on O.o
(01/06 00:51:00) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Lol, sorry. SuperGram is totally in charge of the parade...any suggestions, pm her.
(01/06 00:51:41) Marten: Right. The GoMe's involvement would be to follow what she asks of us.
(01/06 00:51:47) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(01/06 00:51:52) Thend: (DM, various channels maybe. In any case, something for the Explorers to hear, at least. And yes, I was just suggesting here cause GoMe would be covering))
(01/06 00:52:00) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Trust me she has a handle on it, too!
(01/06 00:52:2 Thend: Sorry, Boog. I know. the chat went too fast for me lol
(01/06 00:52:43) Boogihn f'toogo is relieved .... whew
(01/06 00:53:20) Boogihn f'toogo: Thx guys
(01/06 00:53:34) Thend nods his head
(01/06 00:54:34) Boogihn f'toogo: I didnt mean to stop all conversation
(01/06 00:54:3 Crier for all: hehe
(01/06 00:54:45) Thend: I apologize. Please go on
(01/06 00:54:57) Boogihn f'toogo: I dont even know who was talking....
(01/06 00:55:01) Boogihn f'toogo: Or about what lol
(01/06 00:55:11) Veralun: st patricksday
(01/06 00:55:25) Veralun: you wanted to finish that
(01/06 00:56:06) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Well, any suggestions, just pm SuperGram...she knows who to contact and will probably do it once a season is announced
(01/06 00:56:25) Crier for all: so the plan for st patrickday is to pm SG for any help
(01/06 00:56:32) Veralun: yes
(01/06 00:56:44) Thend: I just wished to make a suggestion on the communication aspects, GoMe-wise, and did, that was it
(01/06 00:56:46) Shimmerillion: well, and i think it would be good for us to draw up a generic "event coverage" plan
(01/06 00:56:4 Veralun: after the big announcement
(01/06 00:57:02) Veralun: if there is one
(01/06 00:57:04) Thend: Good idea Shim. It could accomodate many events
(01/06 00:57:06) Shimmerillion: we might even want to practice on random stuff to get our system down pat
(01/06 00:57:12) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Relayers are working at consolidating resources....
(01/06 00:57:42) [Relayer]DMom_2000: We are going to redo the Buddy list since it is now so huge it is almost too hard to manage
(01/06 00:57:51) [Relayer]DMom_2000: also we have no way of knowing who is still active on it
(01/06 00:58:16) [Relayer]DMom_2000: we will be limiting the list to just one avie...no more accepting multiple avies to give new people a chance to get on it
(01/06 00:58:26) Marten: *nod*
(01/06 00:58:4 [Relayer]DMom_2000: also we are looking to see how many active Relayers we have so we can better allocate resources
(01/06 00:59:13) [Relayer]DMom_2000: personally....and this is my opinion...I would like to see going back to the hoods for more Relaying
(01/06 00:59:25) Thend: How so?
(01/06 00:59:2 [Relayer]DMom_2000: getting people to come together in the hoods
(01/06 00:59:51) [Relayer]DMom_2000: seems a lot are using the lists to find out where the DRC are and going there only
(01/06 01:00:3 [Relayer]DMom_2000: not sure how...we would love to station people in the subscription hoods so that people would know that they can just go there to have a relay but sometimes no one is there or only one or two
(01/06 01:00:54) MTigerV: i imagine it'd be difficult to convince people to do that
(01/06 01:00:55) Shimmerillion: that's another publicity question
(01/06 01:00:5 [Relayer]DMom_2000: yes
(01/06 01:01:19) [Relayer]DMom_2000: also if we have the numbers to cover hoods....we were spread pretty thin last episode
(01/06 01:01:46) Boogihn f'toogo: Only at the yeesha speech
(01/06 01:01:46) Crier for all: shorah gemini
(01/06 01:01:51) Veralun: shorah gemini
(01/06 01:01:55) Gemini: shora
(01/06 01:02:00) Gemini: h
(01/06 01:02:02) Boogihn f'toogo: And that was because very few had finished to k'veer
(01/06 01:02:06) Thend: Hello Gemini
(01/06 01:02:10) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol, by the grace of I dont know what, we got someone in Kveer for that speech
(01/06 01:02:13) Shimmerillion: maybe you should set a couple of hoods that relayers always cover, so people know where to go ... or do you do that already?
(01/06 01:02:14) Gemini: hello
(01/06 01:02:17) Boogihn f'toogo: Shorah geminie
(01/06 01:02:26) Shimmerillion: shorah gemini
(01/06 01:02:35) Boogihn f'toogo: Gemini....sorry
(01/06 01:02:46) Marten: We were so lucky Leighana was there at the right time.
(01/06 01:02:47) Gemini: has the meeting started
(01/06 01:02:51) [Relayer]DMom_2000: we try Shim but it comes down to someone has to get to the action and the buddy list has been standard and you have to have others looking out where to go
(01/06 01:02:54) Thend nods his head
(01/06 01:02:57) Veralun: we have a meeting, but you can enjoy if you like
(01/06 01:03:07) [Relayer]DMom_2000: action can be anywhere so bunches of us sit in Nexus ready to jump
(01/06 01:03:34) Shimmerillion: true .. i just meant 2 hoods for listeners to gather in, while the rest of you go to the action
(01/06 01:03:51) [Relayer]DMom_2000: if we had the numbers we could have the ones to get to the various places to stand by for action, others in the hoods for relay and the one buddy list person
(01/06 01:03:53) Shimmerillion: but i don't really know how it works
(01/06 01:04:01) [Relayer]DMom_2000: true, Shim....
(01/06 01:04:11) Boogihn f'toogo: we had that many last episode dmom
(01/06 01:04:19) [Relayer]DMom_2000: we may be forced to pick just two or three hoods and say here we are.
(01/06 01:04:57) Thend: DM, do the Relayers have an ideal number of members they are shotting for? To cover things the way you want and/or have?
(01/06 01:04:59) [Relayer]DMom_2000: GoG2 is one of the ones I would pick for every episode to have a Relayer posted in
(01/06 01:05:01) Shimmerillion: yes, or 2 hoods and tokotah
(01/06 01:05:4 [Relayer]DMom_2000: well so much of it depends on who is available, what is going on... and everyone has RL stuff to deal with in the middle of it all, lol
(01/06 01:06:03) Boogihn f'toogo: Im sorry but i have to go
(01/06 01:06:04) [Relayer]DMom_2000: oh not the city...we are definitely not relaying in the city!
(01/06 01:06:07) [Relayer]DMom_2000 cringes
(01/06 01:06:09) Boogihn f'toogo: Is there a chatlog?
(01/06 01:06:14) Shimmerillion: bye, boogihn, thanks for coming!
(01/06 01:06:17) Crier for all: yes I started it
(01/06 01:06:21) [Relayer]DMom_2000: oh we got hammered for a relay in the pub
(01/06 01:06:21) Boogihn f'toogo: I will read the rest
(01/06 01:06:27) Boogihn f'toogo: Take care all!
(01/06 01:06:36) Veralun: bye
(01/06 01:06:37) [Relayer]DMom_2000: night Boogihn
(01/06 01:06:3 Crier for all: thank you boo see you
(01/06 01:06:52) [Relayer]DMom_2000: so we stick only to hoods
(01/06 01:06:59) Shimmerillion: lol i see
(01/06 01:07:22) Marten: Agreed.
(01/06 01:07:24) [Relayer]DMom_2000: and Greydragon said that we should not. Some feel it interferes with their game....hence the buddy list
(01/06 01:07:3 [Relayer]DMom_2000: but only hoods who have asked for us
(01/06 01:07:45) MTigerV: ould these pubs be another relay location to consider?
(01/06 01:07:52) Shimmerillion: you could use gome
(01/06 01:07:57) [Relayer]DMom_2000: though I have been in some where someone there starts relaying and that is ok too
(01/06 01:08:21) [Relayer]DMom_2000: no, MTigerV....that caused a problem when a relay was done from one of these pubs
(01/06 01:09:00) [Relayer]DMom_2000: someone felt that it interfered with his enjoyment of the game and complained. So we dont do that anymore...no public places other than hoods that have requested us
(01/06 01:09:39) [Relayer]DMom_2000: if they have an issue they can take it up with the hood owners
(01/06 01:09:54) [Relayer]DMom_2000: it has worked out very well so far.
(01/06 01:10:42) Shimmerillion: well, i want to commend you guys for all the time and work it takes
(01/06 01:10:47) Shimmerillion: i think it's awesome
(01/06 01:10:49) Thend nods his head
(01/06 01:11:03) [Relayer]DMom_2000: Also as a sidenote......we are currently talking amongst ourselves about officially affiliating with the GoMe and will be letting you know, probably soon about that.
(01/06 01:11:16) Shimmerillion: we'd love to have you
(01/06 01:11:1 Shimmerillion:
(01/06 01:11:24) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol, thanks....it has been a lot of fun but also has been stressful at times...
(01/06 01:12:11) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I have NO idea why I got involved in it other than in RL I did something very similar and it was as much fun as this has been
(01/06 01:12:43) Shimmerillion: lol that's the only reason to do it
(01/06 01:12:52) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(01/06 01:12:54) [Relayer]DMom_2000: yes
(01/06 01:13:23) Shimmerillion: well, i know i will have to go here in a few minutes
(01/06 01:13:4 Veralun: ok
(01/06 01:14:12) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I think Thend's idea of having recruitment once an episode is announced and then again after the episode has a lot of merit
(01/06 01:14:20) Marten: *nod*
(01/06 01:14:26) Shimmerillion: yes
(01/06 01:14:26) Crier for all: yes indeed
(01/06 01:14:37) Thend: Back to Marten's point of getting an Imager slide for each Guild in Beginners, sounds good
(01/06 01:14:4 Shimmerillion: in the meantime, maybe we can brainstorm ideas for the generic event coverage plan
(01/06 01:15:01) [Relayer]DMom_2000 nods her head
(01/06 01:15:05) [Relayer]DMom_2000: excellent idea
(01/06 01:15:22) [Relayer]DMom_2000: and I think Beginners is a great place for recruitment and such
(01/06 01:15:44) [Relayer]DMom_2000: and I like a city event
(01/06 01:15:46) Shimmerillion: yes
(01/06 01:15:52) Crier for all: yes
(01/06 01:15:53) Thend: Cool, Shim. And if anyone recruits in the City, maybe just a certain time each day, apart from the party times
(01/06 01:15:57) [Relayer]DMom_2000 misses the tent top
(01/06 01:16:05) [Relayer]DMom_2000: yes
(01/06 01:16:07) Thend does too
(01/06 01:17:21) Crier for all: maybe just as the criers do, we have each day a crier in the city for 2 hours to spread the newsletter
(01/06 01:18:03) Shimmerillion: Crier, what are those times?
(01/06 01:18:31) Crier for all: the usual times are 14.00 till 16.00 KI time
(01/06 01:18:37) Shimmerillion: ok thanks
(01/06 01:18:51) Thend: Crier, I'm wondering if maybe splitting that up, one 8 or 12 hours apart from eachother might accomodate more timezones?
(01/06 01:19:01) [Relayer]DMom_2000: thanks, I didn't know that
(01/06 01:19:42) Thend: Otherwise, those not on during those hours normally might always miss the news
(01/06 01:19:49) Crier for all: Yes we are trying to do so but the most are from USA and I'm the only one from Europe
(01/06 01:20:04) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol, looks like recruitment is in order!
(01/06 01:20:13) Veralun: yep
(01/06 01:20:19) MTigerV: i'm sure you can find some night owl americans
(01/06 01:20:25) Thend: Seems to be the going issue
(01/06 01:20:40) Crier for all: hehe they found a night owl european ..me
(01/06 01:20:42) [Relayer]DMom_2000: we need an "other time zone" recruitment
(01/06 01:21:00) Shimmerillion: lol
(01/06 01:21:36) Thend: I think for Europeans, around midday is okay, then one later at night USA
(01/06 01:22:05) Crier for all: yes that would be a great idea but we are shorthanded so far
(01/06 01:22:11) Veralun: early evening here that is noon Us is the best for europeans
(01/06 01:22:20) Thend: Understood completely Crier
(01/06 01:23:22) Thend: Again, we'll see what the Announcement brings. It could fill the Cavern, or, uhm, not so fill the Cavern
(01/06 01:23:32) Crier for all: my main avie is each day in the cavern and I noticed that 10.00 Ki time the most people are coming in
(01/06 01:23:39) Veralun: let us hope for the best
(01/06 01:23:43) [Relayer]DMom_2000: ditto
(01/06 01:23:49) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I am thinking they will
(01/06 01:24:14) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I got my letter here next to me to send to GameTap
(01/06 01:24:25) [Relayer]DMom_2000: so I plan on doing my bit....
(01/06 01:24:31) Shimmerillion: i sent mine awhile back
(01/06 01:25:11) Thend: I've had.. words, as well lol
(01/06 01:25:16) Shimmerillion: lol
(01/06 01:25:20) Crier for all: lol
(01/06 01:25:39) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I also emailed Lewin some time ago and he emailed me back
(01/06 01:25:59) Thend: Blake's been good about everything
(01/06 01:26:03) [Relayer]DMom_2000: yes.
(01/06 01:26:34) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I think this will go forward....legal stuff is so complicated and you know they cant say anything until it is all completed
(01/06 01:26:50) Shimmerillion: agreed
(01/06 01:27:00) Crier for all nods her head
(01/06 01:27:01) Marten cheers
(01/06 01:27:24) [Relayer]DMom_2000: unfortunately for us, we are going to have to be patient and not chew at waggling hands....
(01/06 01:27:26) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(01/06 01:27:29) Shimmerillion: lol
(01/06 01:27:37) Crier for all: lol
(01/06 01:27:40) [Relayer]DMom_2000: did I say that?
(01/06 01:27:55) [Relayer]DMom_2000: oops....
(01/06 01:27:56) Thend: It's the Blake aspect that concerns me. It's not about Season 2 for me as much as the continual call for subscribers, new and otherwise. I think Uru needs most of all growth. And, IMO, that calls for drastic actions
(01/06 01:27:56) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(01/06 01:28:04) Veralun: it came from the right side of me
(01/06 01:28:39) Veralun: agree thend
(01/06 01:28:40) Crier for all: so true thend
(01/06 01:28:44) [Relayer]DMom_2000: well, one of the things I pointed out in my letter was the vast untapped bunch of Boomers who would love to know about MOUL
(01/06 01:28:46) Shimmerillion: sorry, i've been out of touch during the holidays. what is the blake aspect?
(01/06 01:28:50) Veralun: Uber fans promo's
(01/06 01:29:03) Marten: The "Blake" aspect is promotion of Myst Online.
(01/06 01:29:12) [Relayer]DMom_2000: also that advertising needs to be directed so they will see it....
(01/06 01:29:21) Thend: The ones for Hex Isle were funny, Veralun lol
(01/06 01:29:31) Crier for all: oh yes
(01/06 01:29:35) MTigerV: that guy who did those promo vids for osmo?
(01/06 01:29:37) Veralun: the same we need to do for Uru
(01/06 01:29:50) Veralun: maybe we can
(01/06 01:30:04) Veralun: yeah why not?
(01/06 01:30:16) Shimmerillion: why not
(01/06 01:30:23) Crier for all: yeah!!
(01/06 01:30:34) Shimmerillion: and a GoMe logo at the end!
(01/06 01:30:36) Shimmerillion: lol
(01/06 01:30:40) Veralun: yep
(01/06 01:30:45) Thend: Okay, Veralun, I'll work on the scripts - you get Rand's commitment to act in our promos lol
(01/06 01:30:51) Shimmerillion starts to laugh
(01/06 01:30:52) MTigerV: i know a guy in spokane with a van....
(01/06 01:30:57) [Relayer]DMom_2000: WOW has some great ads on TV with William Shatner talking about his avie on WOW so they are targeting that age group
(01/06 01:30:57) Shimmerillion roars with laughter
(01/06 01:30:59) Thend starts to laugh
(01/06 01:31:02) Veralun: will call Rand tonight
(01/06 01:31:03) Crier for all: lol that is the easy part
(01/06 01:31:1 [Relayer]DMom_2000: I nominate Thend to be the Uberfan!
(01/06 01:31:22) Veralun: but serious I am thinking about this
(01/06 01:31:24) Thend: Oh yeah DM, those are fantastic. You are in charge of getting Shatner then
(01/06 01:31:2 [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(01/06 01:31:43) [Relayer]DMom_2000: we need a celeb in the cavern....and NOT Brittany
(01/06 01:31:47) Shimmerillion: Veralun, I have some greenscreen that I was planning to edit into Uru landscape footage
(01/06 01:32:0 Veralun: great
(01/06 01:32:19) Shimmerillion: the mac i was using broke, though lol
(01/06 01:32:23) Veralun: I have a complete video from Cyan
(01/06 01:32:23) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol can we get Mr. Shatner a free MOUL subscription?
(01/06 01:32:24) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(01/06 01:32:27) MTigerV: green screen uru commericals....a million ideas just poped into my head
(01/06 01:32:46) Veralun: I can cut out some shots and make a promo like these Uber fans
(01/06 01:32:55) Shimmerillion: let's do it
(01/06 01:33:15) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I can see it now....."Weeeeee love you Raaaaaannnnnddd!"
(01/06 01:33:23) Thend starts to laugh
(01/06 01:33:24) Veralun is looking at Marten
(01/06 01:33:27) Crier for all starts to laugh
(01/06 01:33:37) Thend: Maybe we could get Weird Al or something
(01/06 01:33:40) [Relayer]DMom_2000: oh! OH!
(01/06 01:33:54) Crier for all: hahha Al bundy?
(01/06 01:33:55) [Relayer]DMom_2000: have the Relayers there relaying Rand to everyone!
(01/06 01:34:01) [Relayer]DMom_2000 roars with laughter
(01/06 01:34:49) [Relayer]DMom_2000: not funny?
(01/06 01:34:55) Veralun starts to laugh
(01/06 01:35:00) Veralun: oops
(01/06 01:35:06) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(01/06 01:35:06) MTigerV: *crickets*
(01/06 01:35:11) Shimmerillion: lol
(01/06 01:35:13) [Relayer]DMom_2000: the silence was deafening....
(01/06 01:35:19) Shimmerillion: ok well i've got to go
(01/06 01:35:26) Crier for all: lol was thinking about it
(01/06 01:35:29) Shimmerillion: remember, forum might be down tonight or tomorrow
(01/06 01:35:32) [Relayer]DMom_2000: have a great nite Shim
(01/06 01:35:37) Shimmerillion: i'll see you all later!
(01/06 01:35:45) Crier for all: bye bye Shim
(01/06 01:35:45) Thend: Seeya later!
(01/06 01:35:50) Veralun: bye
(01/06 01:35:51) Marten: Goodnight SHim
(01/06 01:36:20) Veralun: MystMovie is online again
(01/06 01:36:26) Marten: That's good
(01/06 01:36:2 Crier for all: ooh great!!
(01/06 01:36:40) Marten: Do we have more topics to go over?
(01/06 01:36:43) MTigerV: i have a bad feeling about that...
(01/06 01:36:46) Veralun: now you need to fill in your name and password
(01/06 01:36:53) Thend: O.o
(01/06 01:36:59) Marten: o.O
(01/06 01:37:05) Thend: Not sure Marten. Covered a good bit though
(01/06 01:37:20) Crier for all: yes think so too
(01/06 01:37:33) Marten: May I fish for suggestions on one of my projects?
(01/06 01:37:36) Crier for all: i will put the log on the moul forum
(01/06 01:37:42) MTigerV: A New issue of the Archiver should be out tommorow
(01/06 01:37:49) Veralun: sure
(01/06 01:37:52) Thend: Sounds interesting Marten. And cool Tiger
(01/06 01:38:05) Crier for all: good tiger
(01/06 01:38:54) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I look forward to the Archivers
(01/06 01:38:56) Marten: A few months ago I started to develop a website, "rel.to". It's mission is to serve as an index to all sites of interest to Uru... not so much all of the rest of Myst, which is covered by Myst Embassy's Nexus, I think.
(01/06 01:38:57) [Relayer]DMom_2000: great stuff
(01/06 01:39:27) Crier for all: yes i have seen it, looking good marten
(01/06 01:39:52) Marten: rel.to doesn't have search functionality and isn't database driven yet, but I have started sorting content into categories; I'd like feedback on the categorization and if I've missed resources I should add.
(01/06 01:40:10) Marten: The hard thing to define is "How will users want to navigate the site..."
(01/06 01:41:22) Crier for all: well you could do live interviews in the cavern with some questions
(01/06 01:41:56) Marten: I've tried to accomodate users who may approach the site from guild hierarchy... and somewhat by play "interests' as well (puzzles vs ages vs story). Play style (IC/OOC) will eventually be added too if it goe well.
(01/06 01:42:13) [Relayer]DMom_2000: nice
(01/06 01:42:21) Crier for all: that is great
(01/06 01:42:3 Marten: Well, I thought I'd keep my surveying to just this group for now, solicit suggestions from a small group for whom "communication" is your forte.
(01/06 01:43:21) Crier for all: ok I will pay more attention to it and let you know
(01/06 01:43:37) Marten: If you have ideas, even to say the color makes your eyes bleed, please let me know; I can be PMed at MystOnline's forums or DRCsite.
(01/06 01:43:56) Crier for all: ok
(01/06 01:45:09) Marten: Are the top 7 categories good, are they logical?
(01/06 01:45:10) Crier for all: well do we have more subjects?
(01/06 01:46:06) Thend: Okay Marten. I'll look later and get back to you. That sorta stuff interests me, as well
(01/06 01:46:13) Marten: Thanks.
(01/06 01:46:25) Crier for all: yes i will too
(01/06 01:48:0 Crier for all: so is there nothing else to discus?
(01/06 01:48:20) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol, seems not
(01/06 01:48:23) Marten: It would appear we're all messaged out.
(01/06 01:48:25) [Relayer]DMom_2000: lol
(01/06 01:48:31) Crier for all: hehe
(01/06 01:48:33) Gemini: may I ask a question
(01/06 01:48:35) [Relayer]DMom_2000: any ideas on the next meeting?
(01/06 01:48:37) Crier for all: sure
(01/06 01:48:42) [Relayer]DMom_2000: go ahead Gemini
(01/06 01:48:50) Gemini: how does one become a member of the GoMe
(01/06 01:49:5 Marten: I don't think there are any requirements aside from having an interest.
(01/06 01:50:10) Thend: And a shirt
(01/06 01:50:15) [Relayer]DMom_2000: or finding one of the affiliated groups and joining them
(01/06 01:50:24) Crier for all: true
(01/06 01:50:26) [Relayer]DMom_2000: whatever you are interested in
(01/06 01:50:36) Veralun: if you are interested you can visit : www.guildofmessengers.com and become a member of the forum
(01/06 01:50:36) MTigerV: yes, the shirt is very important
(01/06 01:50:44) Gemini: I have the shirt
(01/06 01:50:54) Gemini: or else I couldn't get in here.
(01/06 01:51:01) Veralun: lol
(01/06 01:51:04) Thend: What are the current GoMe thingies? Criers, Relayers (unofficially)...
(01/06 01:51:04) Marten: Right. Most of the specific goals of the GoMe are met by groups that have already formed, but if other explorers have good ideas for additional purposes, that's great.
(01/06 01:51:0 Crier for all: well it only shows you support the guild of messengers
(01/06 01:51:13) [Relayer]DMom_2000: there are news organizations, the criers, the relayers etc pretty much anyone you might be interested in
(01/06 01:51:26) Veralun: you are very welcome to enjoy this group Gemini
(01/06 01:51:35) Gemini: where can I find info on these groups.
(01/06 01:51:51) [Relayer]DMom_2000: relayers are at www. relayercorps.org
(01/06 01:52:06) Marten: ...
(01/06 01:52:0 [Relayer]DMom_2000: crier, are you at the same or do you have another site
(01/06 01:52:21) Thend: And www.guildofmessengers.com, like Veralun mentioned
(01/06 01:52:26) MTigerV: The Cavern Today (podcasts, magazines) www.thecaverntoday.com
(01/06 01:52:29) Marten: I don't think _that_ is on rel.to, DMom. *goes and checks*
(01/06 01:52:30) Crier for all: yes we are on the same website
(01/06 01:52:32) [Relayer]DMom_2000: yes. and the gom site
(01/06 01:52:42) [Relayer]DMom_2000: yes
(01/06 01:53:04) Marten: They have an entry in the translation page, but not on the indexes.
(01/06 01:53:06) Veralun: on that site you can find all the organisations who partipate
(01/06 01:53:06) MTigerV: and thends photobucket account...
(01/06 01:53:09) Gemini: is there info at these sites on how to join
(01/06 01:53:15) Veralun: participate
(01/06 01:53:25) Thend: Lol What Tiger? lol
(01/06 01:53:37) [Relayer]DMom_2000: yes, people are always looking for someone to participate and you can do what interests you
(01/06 01:53:3 Veralun: and ofcourse the Guild forums on MOUL
(01/06 01:53:51) Gemini: ok thanks.
(01/06 01:55:00) Gemini: I will leave you to close your meeting, thanks for letting me listen in.
(01/06 01:55:00) [Relayer]DMom_2000: So, do you think we should have another meeting as soon as we can once an episode is announced to make plans on what we want to accomplish?
(01/06 01:55:17) Thend: I'm thinking that might be a good idea, DM
(01/06 01:55:25) Thend: If eevryone could make it
(01/06 01:55:2 Veralun: I think it is good to have one soon after the announcment
(01/06 01:55:31) Marten nods his head
(01/06 01:55:56) Crier for all: or if nothing happens the first saterday of next month?
(01/06 01:56:25) Thend nods his head
(01/06 01:56:31) MTigerV: cursed nfl playoffs... I'll try to make that
(01/06 01:56:45) Veralun: well they cannot wait longer so I suppose an announcement will come soon
(01/06 01:56:52) Thend: Not like I can say or anything, but that all sounds good
(01/06 01:57:33) Veralun: and otherwise we will send Cyan some Uberfans
(01/06 01:57:3 Crier for all: hehe
(01/06 01:57:43) Thend: Heh heh Poor Rand
(01/06 01:57:46) MTigerV: I'll get the van...
(01/06 01:57:50) Veralun: yep
(01/06 01:57:57) Crier for all: lol
(01/06 01:58:02) [Relayer]DMom_2000: I got the cami makeup
(01/06 01:58:24) Thend: I have to go and do some uber stuff myself atm. Thanks for the meeting all, and seeya around
(01/06 01:58:31) Veralun: woooooot!
(01/06 01:58:34) [Relayer]DMom_2000: thanks for coming Thend
(01/06 01:58:3 Crier for all: ok thanks thend and bye
(01/06 01:58:40) Thend nods his head
(01/06 01:58:41) Veralun: thanks all
(01/06 01:58:45) Thend waves goodbye
(01/06 01:58:47) MTigerV: anybody free to help me with ahonay?
(01/06 01:58:4 Veralun waves hello
(01/06 01:58:51) Veralun: CU

 

2008, July 5th Chatlog

[07:04] Marten: I'm just trying to wake up. I think I'm ready. Shall we begin?
[07:04] Szark: k
[07:04] Lynnutte: If your ready. You're running the show
[07:04] blutec: yes please & goodmorning!
[07:04] nanouk: passes strong coffee around
[07:05] nanouk: next meeting in our Bevin ???
[07:05] Marten: OK. I'm going to run down the outline of topics for the meeting and then if there's time (like there ever is, LOL) afterwards, we'll maybe look at other topics
[07:05] Lynnutte: We can always hope
[07:05] Lynnutte: k
[07:05] Szark: k
[07:05] Marten: First, topic is GoMe jobs
[07:05] nanouk: kkk
[07:06] nanouk: all
[07:06] nanouk: jobs
[07:06] nanouk: all
[07:06] Marten: Szark and Nanouk discussed which should take on a role that I and some of the other GoMe chairs needed badly - someone to keep a weekly summary. Szark ended up with the job and has been doing a great job
[07:06] nanouk: give
[07:06] nanouk: all
[07:06] nanouk: the
[07:06] nanouk: jobs
[07:06] nanouk: to
[07:07] nanouk: Szark...lol
[07:07] Lynnutte: yes he has
[07:07] Szark: arr shucks
[07:07] nanouk: one
[07:07] Lynnutte: your the only reason I knew about the meeting. lol
[07:07] nanouk: bug
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[07:08] Lynnutte: Shorah Shimmer!!!
[07:08] Marten: Hey, Shimmer!
[07:08] Lynnutte: :D
[07:08] Lynnutte: WB Szark
[07:08] Marten: We were just starting while I embarassed Szark into disconnecting.
[07:08] nanouk: brb
[07:08] blutec: hi shimmer /wave
[07:08] Szark: Hi Shimmer
[07:08] Lynnutte: Just in time Shimmer
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[07:08] Lynnutte: lol
[07:08] Lynnutte: now nanouk is gone
[07:08] shimmerillio: hello all
[07:08] Szark: As I was trying to say thank you all
[07:09] Szark: before I was cut off
[07:09] Lynnutte: we must be starting a poofing party
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[07:09] Lynnutte: wb nanouk
[07:09] Szark: Marten lol
[07:09] blutec: wb nanouk
[07:09] nanouk: am back
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[07:10] Szark: Hiya Narym
[07:10] blutec: hi narym /wave
[07:10] Narym: apologies all
[07:10] Lynnutte: Shorah Narym
[07:10] Marten: Ok. So, I was thinking that with the future site that Narym currently gets the job of building, that we could use a Wiki, and keeping track of weekly status information could go there. It would be easier for Szark to maintain (if he wants to keep doing the job), others could help improve information if they wanted to add or tweak something, and others could access the info instead of it just being a PM.
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[07:11] Marten: Just something I wanted to throw out there since it was related to the job Szark's doing.
[07:11] Lynnutte: sounds good to me
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[07:11] Lynnutte: Having poofing problems Nanouk?
[07:11] Szark: Wiki I would have to learn a lot more, I would need help
[07:11] nanouk: bug, buggy, bug
[07:11] Lynnutte: ah.
[07:11] Narym: yeah, I was actually thinking of suggesting a wiki for GoMe stuff
[07:11] Lynnutte: Sorry, can't help there Szark
[07:12] Narym: good that someone's beat me to it, though :P
[07:12] Narym: So is that something you want me personally to head up?
[07:12] Marten: Wikis are really easy to use, Szark. Dead simple. :) And, that takes me to the second job topic which is Assistant Webmaster. Narym is currently fighting with that. Narym, did you get Shimmer's questions last night?
[07:12] Narym: I think so
[07:12] * Marten might be a little behind on the discussion
[07:12] Narym: I responded via pm today
[07:13] Narym: essentially, I get an error message when trying to play with templates via the extensions menu, I believe it was
[07:13] Narym: I can't actually do anything
[07:13] Narym: though I may be in entirely the wrong place for doing that stuff anyway :P
[07:13] shimmerillio: by anything i believe you mean the css?
[07:14] Szark: Marten you say dead simple, but for me Wiki has been a nightmare of a learning curve
[07:14] Narym: well I was going to try and work from a base template rather than doing anything from scratch
[07:14] Szark: I am not affraid to take it on
[07:15] Narym: but I found that on trying to change what templates were installed, I couldn't do anything with that aside from uninstalling ones present
[07:15] Szark: i'll stop carry on
[07:15] Lynnutte: I suggest we let Szark continue to do the job the way he is comfortable with and let someone who know Wiki to transfer the info to it.
[07:15] Narym: I guess my question is whether I'm in the right place to be playing with the that, or whether you were intending for me to edit that stuff otherwise-ly
[07:15] Marten: Sounds like a plan.
[07:16] Szark: that not what I want Lynnutte sorry..................
[07:16] Lynnutte: or let someone teach Szark how to use Wiki'
[07:16] Szark: I do want to learn
[07:16] Lynnutte: Whatever you want Szark. It's your job
[07:16] Marten: Szark> When we get to the point of having the wiki, we'll worry about it then, we can teach everyone about it and you can decide what you'd like to do
[07:16] Szark: just that wiki help is awful to follow
[07:16] shimmerillio: i really think the onl thing that needs to be changed is the color, and tweaking the openng flash
[07:17] Lynnutte: I have never had the nerve to try Wiki myself. lol
[07:17] Szark: sounds like a plan thx
[07:17] Tailahr: Please include me in the Wiki tutorial when it happens. :)
[07:17] Lynnutte: Um... me too. lol
[07:17] Marten: I was afraid you'd gone to sleep Tai'! :)
[07:17] Szark: lol
[07:17] Tailahr: Nah, just lurking.
[07:17] Narym: ok, so just for clarification, where would I be fiddling with that sort of stuff?
[07:17] Szark: ok website sorry
[07:18] Marten: (BTW, everyone here, you know Tailahr? She became a good friend of mine during the later months of MOUL. Very helpful greeter who spent a lot of time hanging out in A Beginner's Bevin.)
[07:18] blutec: Spike you mean?
[07:18] Tailahr: hehe
[07:18] Narym: or you can pm/IM me, and we can continue the meeting without having to technical-ise everyones brains :P
[07:18] Lynnutte: You forgot to say all around nice person
[07:18] Marten: D'oh
[07:18] Tailahr: Ahhhh - where's the blush emote?
[07:18] shimmerillio: ok i'll take a look later and pm you
[07:18] Lynnutte: lol
[07:19] Narym: ok thanks
[07:19] Szark: Pleased to be meeting you Tailahr
[07:19] Marten: OK. Question about the website, Narym, have you had any discussions with Veralun about it? I know he also offered to help.
[07:19] Narym: Just that I was getting a specific error message when in the templates menu in the extensions panel, so I thought maybe something was up
[07:19] Narym: No, I've heard nothing from Veralun
[07:19] Narym: I'll chase him up, if you like
[07:19] Marten: You might want to send him a PM, yeah.
[07:19] Narym: One thing I do want to do is set up access for everyone else
[07:20] Narym: cause one of the headaches of the new site is going to bring all the content there up to date
[07:20] shimmerillio: is this it? "The Parameter-File /templates/td_dimje/params.ini is Unwritable!"
[07:20] Narym: no, I put it in the pm I sent on the forums
[07:21] Narym: anyway, so until we migrate fully, which, once I work out this headache together with shimmer, will hopefully be sooner rather than later, the best way may simply be for people to post twice
[07:21] shimmerillio: ok
[07:21] nanouk: hint "usergroup" Marten
[07:21] Lynnutte: post twice?
[07:21] Narym: So people post on the current site, copy the source HTML code, and paste it into the New site
[07:21] Lynnutte: once on each site?
[07:21] Lynnutte: ok
[07:21] Marten: And the last piece of the website puzzle is the RSS system. Blade was going to help integrate the Nexus into the GoMe, then he decided he could hand it over but didn't have time to actually work on it... Szark thinks wikis are hard, well, I think RSS is hard. Makes my brain hurt. I'm hoping we can get someone who knows RSS better to help, and we might want to recruit for that.
[07:21] Narym: and it saves us having to do it all once we move
[07:22] Marten: Nanouk: Yeah :)
[07:22] Narym: though it doesn't take very long to do so. I did about 20 or so in half an hour, but its one less detail to take care of at the last minute
[07:22] Lynnutte: good idea Narym
[07:22] Marten: When you say 'post twice' do you mean on a forum copy at the new site?
[07:23] Narym: Well, I want to give people some access to the Joomla admin panel
[07:23] Narym: these people would have enough access to create new 'items'
[07:23] shimmerillio: i think joomla automatically generates some sort of rss feed, but i have not looked into the specifics at all
[07:23] shimmerillio: if there is an rss person who wants to take over that is awesome
[07:23] Marten: Oh, Ok.... so you mean things that go to the RSS feed should also go onto Joomla, that kind of post twice?
[07:24] Narym: all they would need to do is fill out the form (which is a WYSIWYG form) and post it, like in the current form on the current website, and it would be posted
[07:24] Narym: yes
[07:24] Narym: I think that's what I mean :P
[07:24] shimmerillio: yeah, basically they would need to post it at messengers.sixpence and also at joomla
[07:24] Narym: as i said, merely to prevent a backlog of news posts and other items developing
[07:24] Marten: OK. What about the forum? :) Will the new website also have phpBB3, and will we do a db migration of the forum at the time of transition?
[07:25] Narym: while joomla is WYSIWYG, I just found it easier to copy the raw HTML code
[07:25] Narym: that's shimmer's thing, she hasn't coached me in that area yet :P
[07:25] shimmerillio: forum migration is pretty easy compared to getting the joomla up to date. if nothing else, i can always point the links right back to where the forum is now
[07:26] Marten: If we ever want to re-open the feed to public submissions, we'll need to inhibit raw HTML from being injected. But, I'm not certain if we ever want to go back to that anyway
[07:26] Marten: Something we can decide later I guess
[07:26] Narym: yeah, we also hhave to work out exactly how the public will submit stuff
[07:27] nanouk: dumb me is amazed
[07:27] Narym: I assume we wouldn't be permitting admin-level access like for GoMe submitters
[07:27] Narym: so there'd need to be a form like we had on the old site
[07:27] shimmerillio: better just figure out our stuff first
[07:27] Lynnutte: hey lost me when they started throwing letters out there. lol
[07:27] Marten: So, what I was saying above was that we should recruit for an RSS expert. There might be someone at TCT who can help, but we can ask the community in general.
[07:27] Marten: Narym> Yeah.
[07:27] Narym: Shimmer, have you spoken to Bert_2?
[07:28] Narym: He said he could possibly lend a hand
[07:28] Narym: and I'm sure he'd be able to sort out RSS woes
[07:28] shimmerillio: i could be wrong, but i think any registered member (or at least some low level) can submit articles, which are basically the same as news posts for our purposes
[07:28] shimmerillio: i haven't spoken to anybody in like 3 months :P
[07:28] Marten: Next topic. Szark and Nanouk have been canvasing the forums, doing a very good job... but it's a lot of forums to cover. And they're posting announcements all over, but I doubt they also have the time to -read- all of those sites they're visiting.
[07:28] Lynnutte: well why not shimmer? lol
[07:29] Lynnutte: don't be so anti-social. lol
[07:29] Szark: I do
[07:29] shimmerillio: lol
[07:29] Szark: I check new posts every day
[07:29] Lynnutte: I check forums too
[07:29] nanouk: have only a few to cover and easy to read
[07:30] Szark: All 29 every day morning and night
[07:30] Tailahr: Wowsa!
[07:30] Lynnutte: Wow. I don't check that many
[07:30] Narym: Can you set auto-notifications when people reply to your threads on many of those forums?
[07:30] blutec: o man, and you can sleep?
[07:30] Marten: I have about 5 sites I check myself - MOUL, Mystcommunity, Messengers, Great Tree, and UO. I can't handle more. I don't know how you do it Szark
[07:30] Lynnutte: We need to start calling you Super Szark!
[07:31] nanouk: no need, do check a few times every day
[07:31] blutec: Szuper Szark!
[07:31] Lynnutte: lol
[07:31] Szark: Some yes Narym
[07:31] Szark: Time to burn
[07:32] Szark: I do have something to say on this matter
[07:32] nanouk: even have time for fighting around Moul's forums
[07:32] Lynnutte: shoot
[07:32] Marten: My thinking is this... some of these sites, they are their own communities, like the Alpha Blue folks... it might make things easier on Szark if some of these sites had their own "representatives".
[07:32] Szark: As I have said before I don’t mind doing the work, I just don’t want to be organising other people, apart for maybe in the future, when I might need help with the update, so I don’t mind being responsible for something, I give in. Lol.........
[07:32] Szark: No problems with me doing all this posting but it is putting eggs in one basket, we do need back up, just in case they put a straight jacket on me and take me away...........
[07:32] shimmerillio: lol
[07:33] Tailahr: I was just thinking the same thing, Marten. If they have something they want to get out, let them come to you.
[07:33] Narym: Problem: People are lazy ;)
[07:33] Marten: But, I'm just trying to figure out how to make Szark's job a little easier, not interfere with it if he feels comfortable with it already :)
[07:33] Szark: But it will be a fact that not everyone that we recruit will be reliable enough to get the job done continuously; as long as I am here and able, so problem far as I can see......at the moment..........
[07:33] Szark: As long there is no more responsibility than that. I don’t mind keeping an eye on my list and update it etc. End
[07:33] Narym: I think I posted this elsewhere, but if you want people from outside this dedicated group to pitch in, you need to remove as many barriers to communication as possible
[07:33] Tailahr: Good point, Narym.
[07:34] Lynnutte: yes
[07:34] Narym: You need to make it as easy as possible for them to get news to you, so they're more likely to care enough to do anything
[07:34] Marten: Can you elaborate on where you see some barriers, Narym?
[07:34] Narym: Traditionally, for say The Archiver, one problem has been the issue of registering on a new forum
[07:34] Szark: But but some site will get posted on and some wont maybe for days
[07:34] nanouk: have same problems wi5th my ex french and Italians forums at this time
[07:34] Narym: NDAs are obligatory for behind-the-curtain access, which is another hurdle
[07:35] Marten: (Szark> Yeah, the quiet forums probably aren't too much trouble.)
[07:35] Narym: most people don't care enough to try that hard to be involved. After all, it is all volunteer stuff
[07:35] shimmerillio: i don't think there is any good way of having them post. maybe shoot an email to us
[07:35] Szark: I do see your point NArym but I can see problems that is all
[07:35] shimmerillio: eiher that or let szark keep doing his thing
[07:36] Narym: But we've recently instituted a 'freelancer' practice, whereby people can pitch me articles, or send me completed copy directly, usually via MOUL, which has resulted in a bunch of people pitching in
[07:36] Tailahr: What if they could use the old-fashioned method of e-mail? Just send their article or info to one person?
[07:36] Lynnutte: I vote for letting Szark to keep on keeping on.
[07:36] Lynnutte: He's done a great job so far
[07:36] Narym: It still probably needs to be the one contact person, though
[07:36] * Tailahr types too slow
[07:36] Marten: Narym, by "the issue of registering on a new forum", do you mean individuals from TCT have had difficultiy registering on other forums, or those who might bring you news balk at registering an account on TCT just because it's yet another forum?
[07:36] Narym: Just to keep it simple
[07:36] Lynnutte: lol
[07:36] Narym: ...stupid :P
[07:36] Szark: But we are just talking about posting announcements and the like that is all?
[07:36] Narym: the latter, Marten
[07:36] shimmerillio: or we can set up a "send your news here" email and szark can check it. then if he falls off the face of the planet someone else can check it
[07:37] Narym: but when we removed that barrier, it enticed more people to help
[07:37] nanouk: will try the pm idea
[07:37] Marten: Yes. And the GoMe submit news area doesn't need registration either. But, I'm not certain that people always know that; they see "forum" and think "must register" and run away
[07:37] Tailahr: But, that's still a forum they have to be registered to - if they aren't already.
[07:37] Narym: I think requiring people to interact with us via forums when it comes to informing us of news is generally a bad idea, unless its registration free
[07:37] shimmerillio: gome news submit doesn't need registration NOW. it will injoomla
[07:38] shimmerillio: even then i don't think they would. it's another password and username to remember
[07:38] Narym: I use MOUL for my freelance level correspondance simply because nearly everyone has an account there
[07:38] Tailahr: E-mail also makes them feel like a real person is going to read it.
[07:38] Szark: Ok I try to clarify If we get a really good announcement and the posting is split up to a half dozen or more people.....
[07:38] Marten: See, my thought is that the current system where people can post to the forum without needing an account is nice; we pick it up and post it to the feed provided that it isn't spam.
[07:39] Szark: some wil get posted and some will not or might be 2 or 3 days later.
[07:39] Szark: it only take me 2o odd minutes to post 29 sites
[07:39] Narym: I agree Marten
[07:39] Lynnutte: Could we use Szark for people to send new to?
[07:40] Lynnutte: Then there is no registration and they know a person will look at it
[07:40] Marten: Szark, that is true, we've had some posts sit for days before they got into the feed because, I guess, each of us with posting ability looked at it and thought, "I'm a little busy now, I'm sure another person with access with do it"
[07:40] Lynnutte: news to...sorry
[07:40] Narym: Could we structure it as a press release form?
[07:40] Marten: Er, will do it
[07:40] Narym: so a person from X site mails us a tip
[07:40] Narym: we read it, sign of on it as newsworthy
[07:41] Narym: and mass mail it to all our forum/site contacts A through Z, and they post it themselves on their individual sites
[07:41] Narym: that way its only one mail that Szark has to do
[07:41] Tailahr: Is the GoMe's overall system of relaying information posted anywhere?
[07:41] Narym: but then it relies on people at the other end doing their jobs, which we have no control over
[07:41] Lynnutte: Not that I know of Tai
[07:41] Szark: no Tailahr I was going to point that out
[07:41] Szark: cheers
[07:42] Tailahr: Perhaps people might be more inclined to participate if they knew how it worked and where they might best fit in.
[07:42] Marten: Perhaps a compromise is to let people register to submit news without needing an approval step, and then have an in-box like you're all saying, e-mail and/or a forum to submit news without registration but it goes into our queue, and we assign one person the role of checking that box once daily and if nobody else has posted it already, the once-daily person knows it's their job to post it if it's relevant.
[07:42] Lynnutte: that is something we need to correct
[07:42] Marten: Agreed... but that kind of goes back to the "website in transition" problem doesn't it? :)
[07:42] blutec: i would like to see some kind of form or example how to (post news, tip)
[07:42] Lynnutte: that means that one person also has to check the validity of the news story
[07:43] Narym: like this, you mean? (Link:

http://messengers.sixpencemedia.com/about/guildfaq.php

)http://messengers.sixpencemedia.com/about/guildfaq.php
[07:43] Narym: its out of date though
[07:43] Szark: I have some template ideas I will get them together for the new site if you want
[07:43] Marten: Lynnutte> I think most stories we don't have to worry about validity. It's just a few here and there. Maybe we can come up with a strategy for those exceptions.
[07:43] blutec: lost me there right away, it looks like a lot of work, lol
[07:44] blutec: (at naryms url)
[07:44] Lynnutte: We had a problem once before about the validity of a news story
[07:44] Lynnutte: I just don't want to go through that again
[07:44] Marten: Yeah. I personally think it will be pretty clear when we have a "rumor" vs a "story", but if it makes you feel better we can develop guidelines on verification.
[07:44] Narym: Valid news: 1. Of interest to the public, or in the public interest
[07:45] Lynnutte: that would make me more comfortable
[07:45] Narym: 2. It is new, or contains a new element or angle
[07:45] Marten: I just think it's overkill that if I hear there's a party in XyZZy Bevin, that we need to go call someone and make sure there's really a party there
[07:45] Narym: 3. Has verifiable sources
[07:45] Lynnutte: I was thin king more about news about Cyan
[07:45] Lynnutte: not a party
[07:45] Narym: Depends on the criticalness of the news
[07:45] Lynnutte: ys
[07:45] Narym: parties don't really need to be double and triple checked
[07:45] Marten: OK, so there's a beginning guideline. :) There are specific types of news we may want to put to a higher level of scrutiny.
[07:46] Narym: Cyan stories probably need to be run past Cyan
[07:46] shimmerillio: i would strongly suggest that everybody wait till joomla is up before making decisions on the workflow, as that will depend on what joomla is capable of. unless you want to use the forum, which you already know how that works.
[07:46] Marten: Shimmer> *nod*
[07:46] Szark: k
[07:46] Lynnutte: agreed
[07:46] shimmerillio: anybody that wants to help narym get joomla ready is more than welcome
[07:46] shimmerillio: i'm looking at the css right now
[07:47] Narym: which is another thing I was going to ask Shimmer: Do you want/need someone else to have access to the current site backend at the present time?
[07:47] Marten: Speaking of the FAQ (since Narym brought it up), there is an update for that in Narym's hands, and by the time it gets posted it'll probably need another update. *heheh*
[07:47] Narym: I suppose it all depends on the ETA for the new site
[07:47] nanouk: me out of joomla....full lost
[07:47] Lynnutte: lol
[07:47] Narym: yeah, I was goign to send that to Shimmer, but you've been busy, and I didn't want to bug you about it
[07:47] Szark: behave
[07:47] Narym: And I had no idea when you'd be back ,either :P
[07:47] shimmerillio: thanks
[07:48] Narym: but that's another reason why I was wondering about someone else having access to the current site
[07:48] Lynnutte: that's a good idea
[07:48] shimmerillio: yeah, here's the thing. I'm good for short periods of time with specific goals (such as, fix the css because narym can't), but i am not good for long extended, on-call type stuff
[07:49] Narym: cause then they could post an updated FAQ, and then you wouldn't have to be on-call all the time for stuff like that
[07:49] Tailahr: It's good to know everyone's strengths and weaknesses.
[07:49] shimmerillio: as you all know, i'm moving to japan on the 26th and i have no idea what life will be like
[07:49] Narym: and could fix the technically borked things that I can't do
[07:49] shimmerillio: yes
[07:49] Marten: I know that I'll be interested in hearing what life is like there, shimmer :)
[07:49] Narym: but I CAN update pages, fiddle with Joomla to an extent, manage usergroups, etc
[07:49] shimmerillio: lol
[07:49] Lynnutte: me too
[07:49] shimmerillio: narym, i think that would be a perfect balance
[07:49] *** Szark has signed off IRC (Quit: (Link:

http://www.mibbit.com

)http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
[07:50] Marten: Shall I move on to the next topic?
[07:50] shimmerillio: well i'll keep you all informed :D
[07:50] *** Szark has joined #GoMe.
[07:50] Lynnutte: Do we know anyone that can fill that position?
[07:50] Narym: At least in Japan you know there'll be the Internet :D :P
[07:50] Lynnutte: that might be willing to?
[07:50] Marten: which position?
[07:50] Narym: WEll, I'm happy to be an assistant webmaster
[07:50] nanouk: Japan to USA/ IPhone bills very high....lol
[07:50] Lynnutte: for th wb stuff
[07:50] Lynnutte: web
[07:50] Narym: but having Bert as some sort of consultant would be welcome
[07:50] Lynnutte: forum
[07:50] Lynnutte: whatever
[07:51] Narym: Cause he's much more technically proficient than I am
[07:51] Marten: In addition to Narym now? I think Narym is capable of recruiting more help :)
[07:51] Narym: I just don't know how much time he'd be ready to spare, that's all
[07:51] Szark: brb
[07:51] Lynnutte: kk just checking because i know I'm clueless
[07:51] shimmerillio: brb
[07:51] Narym: WEll, obviously I would need to give admin access to any helpers
[07:51] Narym: do I have that kind of level access, shimmer?
[07:52] Narym: lol @ Lyn
[07:52] Narym: I'm almost just as clueless, don't worry
[07:52] Narym: especially at this time
[07:52] Narym: its only the caffeine keeping me awake ;)
[07:52] Lynnutte: sure you are. At least you know what Joomla is
[07:52] Narym: lol
[07:52] Marten: Narym, pile up the questions and send them to shimmer in a PM or e-mail :) We really should continue
[07:52] Narym: You will too, once I give you some access
[07:52] Lynnutte: kk
[07:52] Narym: yep, already on it MArten ;)
[07:53] Narym: Move along
[07:53] Marten: OK Escape Pods
[07:53] * Lynnutte zips her lips...for now
[07:53] Marten: WeUntil "MORE" is back online,
[07:53] Marten: Whoops
[07:53] Lynnutte: huh?
[07:53] Szark: Q: Should we be doing this now, that we are about to venture into MORE? Or are we going to continue up to the point of MORE going online? End
[07:53] Marten: We've seen a big surge of people back onto the MOUL forums, but until "MORE" is online, I expect we'll still have quite a bit of folks staying in the "escape pod" communities
[07:54] Lynnutte: I agree
[07:54] Marten: Great Minds Think Alike, Szark
[07:54] blutec: yes, and it should be, to warm the leavers and newcomers
[07:54] Narym: I think it's worth keeping links to these places anyway
[07:54] Lynnutte: And yes, we should continue until it starts and adapt after
[07:54] Narym: some will stay without coming back
[07:54] Marten: Yep
[07:54] Narym: and we may bring in new people via those links
[07:55] shimmerillio: back
[07:55] Narym: *stay in the escape pod games
[07:55] blutec: links as in linking pins in escape pods or urls?
[07:55] Narym: our links with people in the Escape pods
[07:55] Narym: which I assume is what Marten is heading towards
[07:55] Marten: Yes
[07:56] Tailahr: Turnover is natural.
[07:56] Marten: Tai has been helpful in getting news into Second Life, for example... and Thend too. And who did the relay? I never did find out. Was that you Lynnutte?
[07:56] Tailahr: Melodilynn
[07:56] Lynnutte: Mel did it
[07:56] Marten: Ah ok
[07:56] Szark: relayers rock
[07:56] Lynnutte: we had a relayer in the Mystonline chatroom too
[07:57] Narym: lol you see, you guys still have a big job to do :)
[07:57] Marten: Can you share their name? :)
[07:57] Lynnutte: :D
[07:57] Lynnutte: Zedra]
[07:57] Marten: *thumbsup to Zedra*
[07:57] Lynnutte: i WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO FIND THEM BOTH IN sl WHEN THEY WERE NEEDED.
[07:57] Lynnutte: And lucky enough they agreed
[07:58] Szark: lucky day
[07:58] Lynnutte: we tried to relay in There too, but couldn't
[07:58] blutec: how is newsspread in SL for example?
[07:58] nanouk: Zedra is a great person. Would fit good in GoMe
[07:59] Marten: OK. I understand that Thend would like to... uh, have more responsibility in conveying news into SL. 'course, the way news moves, once we post it in one place, usually it has a ripple effect and it can be posted many other places before our own members can get there. Szark has seen that happen. I've had times where I posted something, sent an e-mail to Tai, and she'd already heard it from someone else.
[07:59] Lynnutte: they met at the community center for the relay
[07:59] Lynnutte: Yes she would
[07:59] Tailahr: Thend sends out a notecard to the Explorers Community Center group every day.
[07:59] Lynnutte: Other announcements are sent to people
[07:59] Marten: Relaying in There would be something best accomplished the way Dagda handled things in Teamspeak. In Voice.
[07:59] Szark: lol
[07:59] blutec: is it an subscription?
[07:59] Tailahr: And, then post it on a screen inside the Center.
[07:59] Lynnutte: Yes it would Marten
[08:00] Lynnutte: We may have to set something like that up
[08:00] nanouk: loved Dagda in TS
[08:00] Lynnutte: Me too. Made it easy for me to follow while organizing things
[08:00] Szark: blutec no is the asnwer
[08:00] Tailahr: Dagda found out that the channel had a limit of 16, though.
[08:01] Lynnutte: it would be different in There
[08:01] nanouk: yep, sad
[08:01] blutec: so could considere to be spamming the news in SL, or is it ok?
[08:01] blutec: news as spam i mean not spam the news
[08:01] Lynnutte: SL has a range limit for typing.
[08:01] Lynnutte: You can only see chat from those near you
[08:02] Marten: News in SL ... basically, you either see it on a virtual bulletin board, or anyone who is part of a group (such as "D'ni Explorers") may get messages broadcast to them by someone in the group.
[08:02] Narym: Can you run multiple channels?
[08:02] Narym: I suppose it means multiple people...
[08:02] Tailahr: As for SL, I think Thend's ECChain newsletter is good, but it only goes to the smaller group. For really important news, it needs to be sent to the D'ni Refugees group - the largest there.
[08:02] Marten: A single SL account supports membership in up to 25 groups
[08:02] Lynnutte: I agree
[08:03] Marten: Ok. Tai', rather than bypassing Thend, if you get news before he does, and he is around... could you hand it to him? And could you emphasize your feelings about sending to the D'ni Refugees group?
[08:03] Tailahr: So, we should encourage anyone who wants to receive a regular, daily report to sign up for the ECC group, and make sure that the really important stuff gets out to the larger group - and Thend won't do that.
[08:03] * Tailahr types too slow - again!
[08:03] Marten: He won't do that... ?
[08:04] Lynnutte: won't do what?
[08:04] Marten: I think we're on pages close to each other. We'll get there.
[08:04] Tailahr: Won't send it to the D'ni Refugees group.
[08:04] Lynnutte: I wonder why?
[08:04] Marten: I'm guessing there has been discussion on this matter already?
[08:04] blutec: (won't do we dont undertsand lol)
[08:05] Tailahr: So, I suggest sending the general info to Thend for his newsletter, but if it's really important, I can send it to the D'ni Refugees.
[08:05] Marten: OK. Would you prefer that we declare whether we think it's ECC or everyone information, or leave it to you or Thend to make that decision?
[08:06] Lynnutte: Could we give it to both?
[08:06] Marten: I mean, we think that all of our information is important! LOL
[08:06] Tailahr: Perhaps I should write something up, encouraging people to sign up for his group if they want to get the news.
[08:06] Lynnutte: lol]
[08:06] Szark: lol
[08:06] shimmerillio: if thend wants to be the conduit, it sounds like he needs to send info to everyone... isn't that most efficient?
[08:06] Marten: That might be a good approach, Tai'
[08:06] * Lynnutte nods
[08:07] Marten: shimmer> Yeah, but he might also be taking the "high road" that he doesn't want to spam people.
[08:07] shimmerillio: hm
[08:07] Marten: I think Tai' may have a good compromise. Remind people that they're going to miss out on news if they /aren't/ in ECC.
[08:07] Tailahr: I should send out something, giving them all the good sources for news, and if they don't follow up, then, do we just leave them out?
[08:08] Tailahr: Question is, are we providing a service to the reader or advertising MORE?
[08:08] Lynnutte: 'If you inform them where to get the news, then the ball is in their court
[08:08] Marten: I think you might have to do just that, Tai'. *nods w/ Lynnutte*
[08:08] Narym: I like to think we're journalists operating in the world of Uru.
[08:09] Lynnutte: Me too Marym
[08:09] Tailahr: So, when we have a cavern re-open date set and a place to sign up, THEN I'll make sure it gets out to EVERYBODY. Until then, they'll have to seek the sources themselves.
[08:09] Narym: So, we report with integrity on major issues, act as a bit of an advertising agency, but are usually advertising MORE merely as a matter of course
[08:09] Szark: amd Me Marym lol
[08:09] Marten: We're not a marketing team. We're journalists like Narym says. Our readers are our customers. Advertising.... Cyan would be our customer, and readers would be targets.
[08:09] Narym: becuase we operate in this world, we incidentally expose this world to the Real world to see
[08:09] blutec: (me gets nerves... a journalist? me, no... crier ok, assembler ok lol)
[08:10] Narym: WEll, like any newsagency
[08:10] Narym: not everyone is a journalist
[08:10] Narym: you also need peopel to keep the logs turning
[08:10] Narym: and peopel to just get news out there rapidly and efficiently
[08:10] Lynnutte: blutec, criers were more like advitisers
[08:10] Tailahr: You would not believe how many people don't even read the stuff they're offered.
[08:10] Marten: Tai> I think you have a good solution there. Two sets of "global" messages. One to tell people where to look for interim news. A second to say "Cavern is now open" when it happens.
[08:11] Marten: People don't read stuff if they're deluged by it
[08:11] Lynnutte: I agree
[08:11] Narym: what he said
[08:11] Tailahr: Exactly.
[08:11] nanouk: me was no advertizer.
[08:11] Lynnutte: only deluge when the cavern opens. lol
[08:11] Narym: Strike a balance between hiding your news away from people, and shoving it down their throats
[08:11] Szark: Well how about this approach.....“Want MORE out of UrU? Then we are looking for you!â€.......
[08:12] Szark: “We are looking to expand our services and we would like the community’s help. We are looking for prospective GoMe Community liaisons to communicate news to the GoMe, and to share information from the GoMe......
[08:12] Narym: don't be afraid to tell people stuff, just know when to back off ;)
[08:12] Szark: If you think that this sounds like you, then please apply to the GoMe. Life time free membership guaranteedâ€; or something like this. End
[08:12] Tailahr: Pssst - as for Thend, he has to be fed the news; doesn't seek it out, to my knowledge.
[08:12] Lynnutte: I like that Szark
[08:12] nanouk: more like a friend doing small talk
[08:12] Marten: That's why I'm thinking it's easiest to give the news to you Tai, since you actually read your e-mail... and you can hand it to Thend so he can feel good about sending it out.
[08:12] Lynnutte: Sounds like a good ad for the newsletter
[08:13] Marten: If you don't mind being stuck in the middle
[08:13] Szark: if you want it I have it in word
[08:13] Lynnutte: Cool! I want it!
[08:13] Lynnutte: Send it to blutec please
[08:13] * Tailahr is copying & pasting right now.....
[08:13] Szark: pm it later
[08:13] Szark: k
[08:13] blutec: (recruiting pics!)
[08:13] Lynnutte: ty
[08:14] Narym: newsletter stuff can go in the forums guys ;)
[08:14] Tailahr: That's fine, Marten.
[08:14] Marten: Wrapping up this topic, what about other worlds? I think the Greeters are probably handling the spreading of news just by word of mouth in the other communities, but I had thought someone might strike up a conversation with Mite or other greeters about such things
[08:14] Narym: sounds good
[08:14] Szark: I typed up all this last night Tai
[08:14] Lynnutte: ok, what would you want said?
[08:14] Tailahr: Oh? Do you have something prepared that I could send out, Szark?
[08:15] Szark: for what tai
[08:15] Tailahr: Recruiting for the GoMe.
[08:15] Szark: yes what I posted I have in Word
[08:16] Tailahr: Oh, so just what you posted here, already? Okay, I'll run with that.
[08:16] Szark: I will send it to you which forum?
[08:16] Tailahr: MOUL
[08:16] Szark: Will do
[08:16] Marten: I think it might be nice if we worked more closely with the Greeters, if we can avoid getting pulled into their politics (we have enough of our own already)
[08:16] Marten: Thoughts?
[08:17] Marten: (tries to push, push, push the topic along)
[08:17] Tailahr: Oh, sigh.
[08:17] Lynnutte: I think working more closely with all the guilds is a good idea
[08:17] Tailahr: I feel guilty for not even staying up on the GoG forum.
[08:17] Lynnutte: Tai? Is this something you could do?
[08:18] Marten: From an outside view there hasn't been much on the GoG forum, I forgot, I read that one too every week
[08:18] Lynnutte: You have been a greeter for long than me.
[08:18] Marten: :D
[08:18] Tailahr: I don't really feel like I could represent the GoG.
[08:18] nanouk: pushing for tech forum in GoG direction...lol
[08:18] Lynnutte: but you can represent the GOMe to the GOG
[08:18] Narym: I think someone said this before
[08:18] Marten: Oh, yeah, Tai.... Heimdall is looking for a place to do tech support. We thought that might fit in better at the GoG than with us.
[08:18] Lynnutte: you have a better understand of both guilds
[08:19] Tailahr: Wasn't somebody else already doing that? Don't want to step on any more toes.
[08:19] Narym: but I think its better to have the liaisons coming from the target group, not the GoME
[08:19] * Marten agrees with Narym
[08:19] Lynnutte: I was thinking of someone from the GOMe asking for a liason from the GOG
[08:19] Tailahr: I think there is already that request on the GoG forum.
[08:20] Narym: We don't have the personnel, and I don't want people piled up with several portfolios
[08:20] nanouk: correction: Heimdall "might be" interrested
[08:20] Lynnutte: Since Tai has been a part of both guilds longer, I thought she might have better luck getting it done
[08:20] Marten: Nanouk> oops. Thanks :)
[08:20] Lynnutte: ok
[08:20] Narym: but, again, we need to make it exceptionally easy for people to 'liaise' with us.
[08:20] Marten: Or, Tai might have a better knowledge of how impossible it could be ;)
[08:20] Lynnutte: Marten good point
[08:21] Lynnutte: They are encredible slow, but thurough
[08:21] Tailahr: Marten is smart. ;)
[08:21] Narym: True that
[08:21] Narym: that's why HE'S the GM
[08:21] Lynnutte: so is the line of thought a dead end?
[08:21] Lynnutte: or just walking through mud?
[08:21] Tailahr: Um, I'll creep around and see what I can do. No promises.
[08:22] Marten: Well, I don't want to push anything on you Tai'... another thing you could do perhaps is think about who else at GoG might be willing to step up to work with us. I'm not sure I've seen the request you mentioned on the GoG forum; that would be a beginning point, if you could look for that and see if there was any activity on it.
[08:22] Lynnutte: kk ty
[08:22] Marten: That's if you're comfortable with doing just that... let me know please :)
[08:22] Szark: Sorry to interject. Slogan gone to Tai and blutec
[08:22] Lynnutte: ty Szark
[08:22] Tailahr: Thanks, Szark.
[08:22] Marten: Huzzah
[08:22] blutec: (got it ty szark)
[08:22] Marten: Topic 3. Mysterium. None of us are going right?
[08:23] Lynnutte: I wish
[08:23] Szark: no
[08:23] Tailahr: Maybe I'll send a few PMs through the GoG forum. People are more likely to reply to personal requests for their help. ;)
[08:23] blutec: no
[08:23] nanouk: not me
[08:23] shimmerillio: joomla gradually becoming more yellow ... :P
[08:23] Lynnutte: good idea Tai
[08:24] Szark: nice one Tai and ask if they are taking any pics for the newsletter and Archiver. Got to be cheeky :D
[08:24] Lynnutte: lol
[08:24] blutec: yay
[08:24] Marten: Alright. So, that's a dead horse. If we want any "presence" at Mysterium then Blade can suggest something we might produce and send, like a poster or something. Or if we want anything /from/ Mysterium, we should let him know.
[08:25] Szark: k
[08:25] Narym: I really feel there should be someting more substantial
[08:25] Narym: like a presentation or something
[08:25] blutec: ok, an ad at mysterium...
[08:25] Lynnutte: He also said we can send stuff to Eleri
[08:25] Narym: heck, if I could go, I'd happily run it
[08:25] Narym: but I'm on the wrong side of the world for that ... :P
[08:25] Szark: 2 weeks to go not much time left
[08:25] Tailahr: Perhaps somebody could put together a powerpoint that could run on its own?
[08:25] Marten: Right. Last I heard, Blade isn't going himself either... maybe that changed but I doubt it
[08:26] Narym: Yeah, he was touting Eleri as a possible rep, but that was it
[08:26] Marten: Mysterium's deadline for presentations is probably past already
[08:26] Lynnutte: Hmmm... maybe I can talk hubby out some of the stimulus check for tht. lol
[08:26] Tailahr: brb
[08:26] shimmerillio: maybe we should make physical copies of the newsletter to distribute at mysterium
[08:27] Lynnutte: good idea
[08:27] Marten: A more likely candidate would be a handout (like the newsletter, as shimmer just said) or a poster that could be hung on a wall or such.
[08:27] blutec: and applicationforms lol
[08:27] shimmerillio: hear, hear!
[08:27] Marten: I could send Eleri a little money to run to FedExKinkos and print out 80 copies of a newsletter or so.
[08:28] Narym: actually, I have to say
[08:28] blutec: a quiz, which needs do you find ? (see back for jobs that suit)
[08:28] Narym: Alahmnat recently brought to my attention a mag printing service
[08:28] Lynnutte: Cool
[08:28] Narym: I don't know if this would be relevant to the newsletter, but it is rather cool
[08:28] Szark: If help is required with monies I could help a little as well Marten
[08:28] Narym: basically, you send them a pdf, via your account
[08:29] Lynnutte: How much does it cost?
[08:29] Narym: they keep it in the database, and 'advertise' on their site
[08:29] Narym: 20c per page
[08:29] Marten: Oh, it's easier if I just front the cost. The next GM can do the same for activities on his or her watch. :)
[08:29] Narym: its a professional, doubleside page print
[08:29] nanouk: if $$$ needed give me a shout
[08:29] Lynnutte: Nice
[08:29] Marten: Nifty, Narym
[08:30] Szark: where are they based NArym
[08:30] Narym: We were looking at using it to send VIPs copies of the Archiver
[08:30] Narym: its an online service run by HP
[08:30] Marten: Little things like that, good wiki fodder, put on a "resources" page or such.
[08:30] Szark: k
[08:30] Narym: but its currently in beta, so it may be a little difficult to get your foot in the door at this stage
[08:31] Marten: So... do we want to take the July newsletter currently in production and print copies of that, or have something custom for Mysterium?
[08:31] Narym: magcloud may a bit to pie-in-the-sky
[08:31] Szark: July
[08:31] Marten: It's just 2 weeks away so my vote is to just print the July newsletter
[08:31] Szark: newsletter sorry
[08:31] Lynnutte: Did you have something in mind for Mysterium?
[08:31] Narym: for Mysterium, you're probably looking at a regular print anyway
[08:31] Lynnutte: Mine too
[08:31] Narym: and July newsletter is easiest, I agree
[08:31] Lynnutte: Since we are talking about the newsletter now....
[08:32] Tailahr: Side topic for future discussion: formalizing the guilds so they can set up funds.
[08:32] Marten: OK. I will clear the idea with Eleri to be make sure this will be acceptable.
[08:32] Lynnutte: I just got a volunteer to translate it into German
[08:32] Marten: Lynnutte> Cool :)
[08:32] Marten: I don't think we'll do foreign languages for the Mysterium copy ;)
[08:32] Lynnutte: Ah no
[08:32] Marten: :D
[08:33] Marten: Newsletter is the next topic anyway, since the "Cyan Letter" topic is kind of done....
[08:33] Tailahr: How many are expected to attend?
[08:33] * Lynnutte shrugs
[08:33] Marten: Tai> I'll check with Eleri and that'll help determine # of copies to make
[08:33] Szark: I did find a German translation of Cyan’s letter and asked Mucol if it would be ok for Mucol to post it on other German sites. Mucol never got back to me but I did see it on another German site........
[08:33] nanouk: people going to Boston should be bilingual
[08:33] Tailahr: Just wondering if it's worth the extra trouble to do something special and try to recruit from there.
[08:34] Szark: However I made it perfectly clear that it was on the proviso that it was done whenever they felt like it, so I have no control on frequency. End
[08:34] Lynnutte: I talked with mulcol, he asked for a volunteer to translate the newsletter on a german site
[08:34] Marten: Well, if we can stick a recruiting statement into the newsletter, that'll do
[08:34] blutec: yellow caps with gome logo: who fits it?
[08:34] Szark: good nice one Lynnutte
[08:35] Tailahr: I meant come up with something creative like a fun puzzle to get their attention. :)
[08:35] Marten: "Seeking experienced RSS feedmaster. If you speak the web, speak to us!"
[08:35] Marten: Little classifieds section
[08:35] Lynnutte: lol i like that Marten
[08:35] blutec: i sense a creative mood here at someone!
[08:35] Szark: and me
[08:36] Szark: Re: Newsletter: Q: Pictures for Animatic? What exactly are you looking for? I can take a screenshot of any frame you want......
[08:36] Marten: Puzzle... puzzle would be nice, but ... I'll leave that up to the newsletter crew, I have no ideas for one
[08:36] Narym: Maybe that is better off in the forums, Szark
[08:36] Lynnutte: Oh crud. I forgot to tell everyone
[08:36] Szark: it was
[08:36] Narym: I want to move this a long a little so I can go to bed ;) (though I'm also being excessively talkative too :P)
[08:36] Tailahr: Eh, I can't think of anything except cryptograms, but I really like doing those myself, and they're super easy to make.
[08:36] Marten: Narym> Szark asked in the forum already :)
[08:36] Lynnutte: GMZ has been doing online puzzle thingies
[08:36] Lynnutte: I asked him to make something up for the newsletter
[08:37] Marten: OK.
[08:37] Narym: oh, and no one replied?
[08:37] blutec: great!
[08:37] Narym: lol nvm
[08:37] Szark: carry on
[08:37] Narym: yes
[08:37] Lynnutte: I need to get back to him again and see if he has started on it
[08:38] Marten: Sounds cool. OK, last "Newsletter" item. Going forward once MORE is up, we may have to decide if we still want to keep doing the Newsletter. There are a few paths... one is to keep doing it. Another is to stop. A third... is to direct the writing and editing efforts towards the Archiver, and perhaps collaborate with TCT to set up an e-mail distribution list of the Archiver. (People would need to sign up afresh for that.)
[08:39] Lynnutte: I vote for directing it towards the Archiver and TCT
[08:39] Szark: KI newsletter is the KI sorry
[08:39] Szark: for in cavern news
[08:39] Narym: actually, to be honest, I was considering whether to make The Archiver an independent or GoME publication
[08:39] Lynnutte: agreeed
[08:40] shimmerillio: i wish we could distribute the newsletter via ki
[08:40] Tailahr: As an ordinary fan and GoMe newsletter subscriber, I'd like to see it continue. Just my selfish thought. heh
[08:40] Narym: Not because I don't like TCT, just cause it sounded good at the time
[08:40] nanouk: suggest staying the same as now...simpler
[08:40] Narym: If I'm not making sense, it's cause I'm tired :P
[08:40] Lynnutte: I would like the Criers to take up their old duties again
[08:40] Narym: but I agree the newsletter and Archiver have different roles they can fulfill
[08:40] Marten: I just wanted to throw that out there to think on. We'll need time to think about it, we have some months to consider it.
[08:40] Narym: but the newsletter probably needs to be more regular if it its to continue
[08:40] Narym: fortnightly, probably
[08:41] Tailahr: If you want to improve the KI, then work on getting permission from Cyan for JWPlatt to work on it. ;)
[08:41] Lynnutte: If there is still a need for the newsletter, then there is no reason to stop it.
[08:41] Lynnutte: I just don't want it to outlive its usefulness
[08:41] nanouk: Narym is really tired....lol
[08:41] Marten: The need is what we'll need to discuss. :) OK? Not now though.
[08:41] Narym: Ok
[08:41] Lynnutte: k
08:41] Narym: moving on
[08:41] Szark: Re Narym's Q I have no problem pooling resources
[08:42] Marten: Next topic. Kerryth is too busy with RL committments, apparently got sucked into real world politics. That leaves us w/o a GoMa liaison. But I think Szark is handling picking up the news from GoW and GoMa real well
[08:43] Szark: not so much the GoW of late
[08:43] Szark: to tech for me
[08:43] Marten: I've been checking in with GoW now and then and talking to Paradox to keep abreast of activities there... yeah. Not much going on. They're in their RAD contest now.
[08:44] Szark: but i do look
[08:44] Marten: If the GoMa wants another liaison though, I say let them pick one out from their group.
[08:44] Szark: agreed
[08:44] Lynnutte: agreed
[08:44] nanouk: agree
[08:44] Tailahr: I think the GoMa is going to become a popular guild as we get closer to the opening. Might give us more options.
[08:45] blutec: do we communicate that to them?
[08:45] Lynnutte: yes, we need to
[08:45] Marten: I think we should communicate that to them, yes. Um. I guess I'll do that.
[08:46] Szark: next
[08:46] Marten: :D
[08:46] Narym: I think direct emails to relevant councillors in the Guilds, to see if they have a contact
[08:46] Narym: and maybe put a general add in the newsletter or something ,as well
[08:46] Marten: I can do that. (the e-mails.)
[08:46] Marten: Eh... I don't think that needs to be in the newsletter.
[08:46] Szark: personal touch
[08:46] Lynnutte: lol no
[08:46] Marten: Yeah. It needs a personal touch.
[08:46] Tailahr: Shouldn't each Guildmaster be responsible for insuring that their news gets to us?
[08:47] Marten: Ideally, yes.
[08:47] Narym: in theory
[08:47] Tailahr: lol
[08:47] Marten: If wishes were horses.
[08:47] nanouk: strongly agree
[08:47] blutec: brb
[08:47] Szark: big stick if they don't
[08:47] Narym: but we still aren't at a stage where we can rely on others for tips
[08:47] Marten: Next topic, as Szark said. roles for relayers/criers.
[08:47] Lynnutte: not much that works in theory works in RL
[08:47] Narym: That will probably become clearer closer to More
[08:47] Marten: I think the relayers did a great job on the press conference... I said that already didn't I? :)
[08:47] Tailahr: Still, you might want to start putting that idea out there more often.
[08:47] Lynnutte: :D
[08:48] Lynnutte: yep you did
[08:48] Narym: I think the press conference showed what the Relayers can do
[08:48] Narym: Criers, atm, are probably more suited to Realtime environments
[08:48] nanouk: no...lol
[08:48] Narym: Escape Pods, maybe?
[08:48] Lynnutte: again, :D
[08:49] nanouk: me in SL...no way...worst that joomla
[08:49] Marten: Relayers are ... well, relayers. They repeat what is happening as it happens. Criers... a town crier is one who goes about shouting the latest news to the residents. The forum posts that Szark and Nanouk are handling are a form of that.
[08:49] blutec: back
[08:49] Marten: The ECC is a form of that.
[08:49] Tailahr: Again, this information needs to be posted somewhere - where people can rely on relayers when something big like the press conference happens.
[08:50] Marten: Narym? Can you add a note to the FAQ on that?
[08:50] Lynnutte: like the GOMe newsfeed?
[08:50] Tailahr: Thend is a Crier?
[08:50] Marten: Tai> He's effectively doing that job.
[08:50] Lynnutte: don't tell him that
[08:50] Narym: a note about what the Relayers do?
[08:51] Lynnutte: yes?
[08:51] Narym: 1. is that not better suited to their affiliate profile?
[08:51] Tailahr: Not just what they do, but where people can find their services during important events.
[08:51] Szark: over my head that went
[08:51] Narym: and 2. I still need the appropriate access from Shimmer to update the current site
[08:51] shimmerillio: both should be on affiliate profile
[08:51] Narym: ah, I see
[08:51] Narym: Tai, would that not be on a event by event basis, anyway
[08:52] shimmerillio: as i mentioned earlier, it would be better if we could get switched over to joomla and do all updates there
[08:52] Narym: Where and with what tools the Relayers operate would vary depending on what the event was
[08:52] Lynnutte: I'm lost. Is what better suited to the relayers?
[08:52] Narym: and yes, I agree shuimmer :P
[08:52] Tailahr: Narym, wouldn't it be best to have the relayers roles set up in advance?
[08:53] Narym: I don't quite follow
[08:53] Narym: everyone knows the Relayers relay things to places that, for certain people, may be more accessible
[08:53] Marten: OK. I'm going to sideline this conversation since it's late for Narym and this can be discussed in e-mail or PM.
[08:53] Lynnutte: yes
[08:53] Tailahr: Example: people can always count on finding a relayer at the Explorers Community Center in Second Life - for important events.
[08:53] shimmerillio: relayers = realtime. criers = announcements
[08:53] Narym: but HOW that occurs depends on where they are relaying, what they're relaying, and from where
[08:53] Lynnutte: exactly shimmer
[08:54] Lynnutte: true narym
[08:54] Marten: NEXT TOPIC. Sorry. :) We need to wrap up
[08:54] Lynnutte: kk
[08:54] Narym: Yes master
[08:54] Narym: ;)
[08:54] Szark: k
[08:54] Marten: What does everyone think of this chat system for our meetings? Has this worked well for everyone? There were a few bumps early on, nanouk and szark disconnected but it seems to have stabilized
[08:54] shimmerillio: fine
[08:54] Lynnutte: I likt it
[08:54] Tailahr: YAYS!
[08:55] Narym: yeah, no probs
[08:55] nanouk: like it
[08:55] Szark: I am happy with it
[08:55] Narym: I've got logs too, which is nice
[08:55] blutec: works fine :)
[08:55] Szark: east I like easy
[08:55] Tailahr: It's built for technofeebs like me. ;)
[08:55] nanouk: better than the KI
[08:55] Narym: less atmospheric though :P
[08:55] Lynnutte: and computer dumbies like me
[08:55] Szark: logs good nice one Narym
[08:55] Narym: but yes, functional
[08:56] Marten: If you're on the Mibbit system, you'll notice that I'm blue and not green. Green are other mibbit users. Mibbit itself doesn't provide logging (yet), but I'm using Trillian to connect and it logs... and I guess Narym's client logs as well
[08:56] shimmerillio: narym, i changed most of the css to yellow and got rid of all the other colors. if we can get content organized in the next week or so, we should be good to migrate, don't you think? rss may have to continue being doubled up, but that can be done behind the scenes
[08:56] Szark: until we can get down there it is good
[08:56] blutec: only Lynnutte is blue for me
[08:56] Narym: I'm using Pidgin
[08:56] shimmerillio: sorry i can't figure out how to send a pm
[08:56] nanouk: no need for mood music and fountain noise...lol
[08:56] Marten: PMs in Mibbit, just double-click the name on the right, and a tab will open for private conversation
[08:57] Lynnutte: when we get back in the counter, are we going to move meetings to in the cavern, or continue here?
[08:57] Lynnutte: cavern
[08:57] Narym: both
[08:57] Narym: I think more regular meetings via IRC
[08:57] Lynnutte: lol
[08:57] Narym: and maybe a monthly or so meeting in the Guildhall
[08:57] Lynnutte: k
[08:58] nanouk: here here....lol
[08:58] Szark: Tai LOL
[08:58] Marten: OK. So, we'll continue our meetings here... and once MORE is up, we can decide what works best for us, but I expect we'll go back into the game that we love.
[08:58] Szark: nod
[08:58] shimmerillio: yay
[08:58] * Lynnutte nods enthusiastically
[08:59] nanouk: we
[08:59] nanouk: could
[08:59] nanouk: use
[08:59] Tailahr: So, am I officially a GoMe memer, now?
[08:59] Lynnutte: uh oh. bug again for nanouk
[08:59] Tailahr: er, member
[08:59] nanouk: yep
[08:59] Narym: sure, why not :P
[08:59] Lynnutte: I thought you were a long time ago
[08:59] Szark: I hope so
[08:59] Narym: I don't think we really have a proper roster anyway
[08:59] Tailahr: Nah, just a friend of the guildmaster until now.
[08:59] Lynnutte: lol
[08:59] Narym: at least, until you get elected to a proper position
[09:00] Szark: why not his friend anymore lol
[09:00] Tailahr: lol
[09:00] Marten: We do need to work on the roster; there is more information in the not-yet-posted version of the FAQ but it doesn't reflect Kerryth's departure and Szark's new role
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[09:00] Lynnutte: Who will be in charge of updating that?
[09:00] Tailahr: Need an org chart - who's who.
[09:00] Szark: mind reading agian MAtern
[09:01] Lynnutte: Shorah Emily
[09:01] Marten: Shorah Emily. We're just wrapping up a meeting :)
[09:01] blutec: hi emily
[09:01] Emily: Shorah :)
[09:01] Szark: Hi Emily
[09:01] Narym: howdy
[09:01] nanouk: yep,
[09:01] Tailahr: Perhaps I should volunteer for that. It would help me to learn more about the GoMe operations.
[09:01] Lynnutte: Sounds good to me. :D
[09:01] blutec: great! :)
[09:02] Marten: Right now we have no Liaisons chair, and our guild arrangement is intended to be 5 people. Szark, whether you like it or not, you're interim Liaison chair. That doesn't mean you need to do anything different. :)
[09:02] nanouk: verygoodindeed/new
[09:02] Szark: phew
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[09:02] *** myst-bert has left #GoMe.
[09:02] Narym: lol
[09:02] Lynnutte: hehehe I knew you would end up in a chair sooner or later Szark
[09:02] Szark: Hi M-Bert
[09:02] blutec: hi bert
[09:03] Narym: except have a swanky new office ;)
[09:03] Lynnutte: Shorah M
[09:03] Marten: myst-bert come and myst-bert go
[09:03] Emily: Shorah Bert.
[09:03] shimmerillio: congrats szark!
[09:03] Szark: lol
[09:03] shimmerillio: :D
[09:03] Marten: Final topic. And a big thank you to Narym for staying up late for this meeting...
[09:03] Narym: lol np
[09:03] Lynnutte: Yes. Ty Nayrm
[09:03] Emily: Thank you Narym.
[09:03] Szark: Yes
[09:03] Narym: I was at a party anyway
[09:03] nanouk: brbrelog
[09:03] Szark: lol
[09:03] shimmerillio: must have been a dull party
[09:04] Narym: so it wasn't like I was sitting around for hours doing nothing waiting to meet
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[09:04] Lynnutte: are you saying we're boring Shimmer?
[09:04] shimmerillio: since you spent the whole thing with us
[09:04] shimmerillio: lol
[09:04] Narym: lol
[09:04] Narym: no, I left the party and came home
[09:04] Narym: and came to the meeting
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[09:04] Szark: He loves us really
[09:04] Narym: for the time keeping averse
[09:04] shimmerillio: oh, what a good messenger you are!
[09:04] Narym: its 2 am here :P
[09:04] Lynnutte: so, last topic?
[09:04] Marten: The last topic is more of an open idea thing. We've touched on some points earlier... I'll send notes to the other GMs about getting news from them. MORE is going to be different from MOUL. We need to think how we're going to work in the community-driven Uru.
[09:05] nanouk: back
[09:05] Lynnutte: If we can make journals...
[09:05] blutec: create/provide some GM's board?
[09:05] Lynnutte: maybe make a guild one that keeps up to date with the news?
[09:05] blutec: thinktank or so?
[09:06] Marten: Earlier someone said "are we journalists or advertisers?" and we talked about what we are now. I think that advertising for MORE, which Chogon said would be a grass-roots thing, is a job for another organization. We could push for a group to form but I don't feel comfortable with the role being too much on this specific group.
[09:06] Tailahr: Until the KI is better, I think news & information is more reliable outside the cavern.
[09:06] Narym: I think we can create pages in Joomla only accessible by certain accounts
[09:06] Narym: so we can set something up for GM news
[09:06] Narym: but yeah, off topic
[09:06] Lynnutte: That sounds like something I had some of the criers doing in cavern
[09:06] Szark: Guild of Ideas
[09:07] Lynnutte: There is already a Guild of Ideas
[09:07] Marten: Yeah, I'd like to see the Guild of Ideas get more activity.
[09:07] Lynnutte: if I'm remembering right
[09:07] Szark: think that advertising for MORE, which Chogon said would be a grass-roots thing, is a job for another organization
[09:07] Marten: Yep
[09:07] nanouk: yep
[09:07] Lynnutte: k
[09:07] blutec: will we recruit/advertise for that?
[09:08] blutec: advertise for advertising group i mean
[09:08] shimmerillio: i would say not right now
[09:08] Narym: I want us to seriously talk to Cyan about tools by which we can operate in cavern
[09:08] shimmerillio: we've probably got our hands full with cavern stuff
[09:08] Szark: Until the KI is better, I think news & information is more reliable outside the cavern. On this note yan did talk to the Archiver about some sort off newsletter in cavern
[09:08] shimmerillio: agreed, narym
[09:08] Narym: distribute things like The Archiver simply in cavern
[09:08] blutec: is it our call or Chogon's /Cyan?
[09:08] Lynnutte: I agree narym
[09:08] Narym: or newsletters
[09:08] Narym: or whatever
[09:08] Marten: Agreed. Once MORE is up, and there is something to promote, we can try to direct people to whatever organization is spearheading that effort.
[09:09] Narym: maybe an in-cavern RSS feed
[09:09] Narym: so we can update news to everyone's KI easily and reliably
[09:09] shimmerillio: if ki could display pdf or even rss, we could do all sorts of things
[09:09] Marten: Ah, if the imagers supported RSS. Then we'll _really_ need an RSS expert
[09:09] Szark: sounds ambitious as always Narym but I like it
[09:09] Narym: and I think doable
[09:09] Narym: more so than in MOUL
[09:09] nanouk: there should be a News Age created
[09:09] Lynnutte: that's how the criers did it
[09:10] Narym: Probably something that would involve contact with the GoMa and GoW s well
[09:10] Narym: *as
[09:10] shimmerillio: ooh, news age, that's a good idea
[09:10] Lynnutte: yes it is
[09:10] Narym: yes, GoMe offices in cavern!!!!
[09:10] shimmerillio: YES
[09:10] Szark: Bevin are we going to have a Bevin
[09:10] blutec: with an archive, library..
[09:10] shimmerillio: for szark's swanky new office
[09:10] Lynnutte: lol Can I have my own corner office with a window?
[09:10] Narym: TV screen
[09:10] Szark: Shimmer lol
[09:10] Narym: for 24 hour news playing
[09:10] Lynnutte: We need to ask the GOW if they can write one for us. lol
[09:10] Narym: Szark's job to present that, of course
[09:11] shimmerillio: and a crier 24/7 at the receptionist desk!
[09:11] Lynnutte: rotfl
[09:11] Szark: go away
[09:11] Marten: :D
[09:11] Szark: Narym
[09:11] Narym: but seriously, tools by which we can do stuff like that is nothing we need to contact Cyan, and or the GoW/GoMa about
[09:11] blutec: i'll cry 24/7 then lol
[09:11] Narym: I'm your Editor Szark
[09:11] Narym: you can't tell me to go away ;)
[09:11] Narym: I was kidding, anyway :P
[09:11] Tailahr: I'll bet the GoW is going to be swamped with requests.
[09:11] shimmerillio: yes please don't tell narym to go away
[09:11] shimmerillio: i need him
[09:12] Narym: lol
[09:12] Lynnutte: You mean they can't tell me to go away either?
[09:12] Szark: lol
[09:12] Marten: Right Narym; we have tools we have now, and there will be a later time when we can get involved with the development of new tools.
[09:12] Narym: I need to be strapped to Joomla for the next few weeks
[09:12] shimmerillio: yup
[09:12] Narym: agreed
[09:12] Narym: but something worth keeping in mind for the future
[09:12] * Lynnutte nods
[09:12] nanouk: volonteer for a shift period like at the Greeters
[09:12] shimmerillio: exactly
[09:12] Szark: cool
[09:13] shimmerillio: (nanouk)
[09:13] Marten: Does anyone have any other topics they'd like to add?
[09:13] Tailahr: But, if you can have a screen with the news, then it doesn't need to be manned.
[09:13] blutec: to direct to screen perhaps
[09:13] Tailahr: Marten, did you want me to create the roster/org chart?
[09:13] Narym: there needs to be something on the screen ;)
[09:13] nanouk: personnal touch is always good...lol
[09:13] * Lynnutte nods
[09:13] Narym: and someone needs to put that together :P
[09:14] Marten: Tai, if you'd like. Narym, if you could send the unposted FAQ info to Tai then she'll have something to start with
[09:14] Tailahr: Yays.
[09:14] Narym: ok
[09:14] Narym: When your finished, post it back, adn I'll put it on the new site
[09:14] Marten: I do have one item to add. TechnoBubba has joined our group (as well as Tai here) :)
[09:14] Lynnutte: Yey!!!
[09:15] Narym: Shimmer, with your learned technical mind, what would be your ETA for the migration?
[09:15] blutec: great!
[09:15] Narym: techno, eh?
[09:15] Narym: is he technomologically minded?
[09:15] Marten: I misspelled. teknobubba
[09:15] Narym: aw :(
[09:15] nanouk: yeah, nice
[09:15] Narym: but still cool :D
[09:15] Marten: But,yeah, he is technomologically minded :) He has a background in radio and TV broadcasting, so he does or has done RL media stuffs
[09:15] Emily: I'm sorry guys but I've got to run. Thanks again :)
[09:16] shimmerillio: mm probably 2 weeks for a practical migration if you and i hit it hard. rss may take longer, but we can keep adding stuff "behind the scenes" via the old form if we can't get the new version figured out in time
[09:16] blutec: still techno like
[09:16] Marten: Bye Emily
[09:16] Lynnutte: Bye Emily
[09:16] Emily: Bye Everybody!
[09:16] blutec: bye emily
[09:16] Narym: by Em
[09:16] Narym: thanks for dropping in!
[09:16] Narym: hmm, 2 weeks
[09:16] Szark: Bye Em
[09:16] nanouk: bye bye
[09:16] Emily: No problem thanks again to everybody :D
[09:16] Narym: ok, well, I 'll tr to work to that
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[09:16] shimmerillio: yeah i'll look at it too
[09:16] Narym: I'm on uni hols, but I've still got work. I should still have a fair amount of time to devote
[09:16] shimmerillio: no need for you to go into the css, ill do that
[09:17] Narym: I'll just need you on hand in case I run into any technical speedhumps
[09:17] Narym: ok, sounds good
[09:17] shimmerillio: if you can do the content, i'll look at the menus
[09:17] Marten: So, if anyone wants to get into video or audio, it sounds like Tekno can help
[09:17] Narym: no worries
[09:17] Narym: radio shows in cavern :P
[09:18] Narym: oh, which reminds me
[09:18] Lynnutte: I have been doing a little voice acting on the side if he needs someone for something
[09:18] shimmerillio: TVs in cavern that WORK!
[09:18] Narym: What on earth has happened to Uru Radio
[09:18] shimmerillio: 8o
[09:18] Marten: That is a good question
[09:18] * Lynnutte shrugs
[09:18] shimmerillio: Fell off the face of the planet
[09:18] Narym: is there any point settin up stuff on the new site for them?
[09:18] Lynnutte: last I heard, Samsbase was just waiting for URU to come back
[09:18] nanouk: will not say a word on that subject
[09:18] Marten: Szark, could you send samsbase an e-mail and see if he's going to resume radio now that MORE is planned?
[09:19] shimmerillio: let's go ahead and set something up just in case
[09:19] Lynnutte: I can check in with him and see if he's still around
[09:19] Narym: sounds good
[09:19] Szark: Yep can do
[09:19] Narym: But yeah, its probably worth contacting him
[09:19] Narym: Good to keep track of our affiliates ;)
[09:19] Lynnutte: ty Szark
[09:19] shimmerillio: lol
[09:19] Lynnutte: lol
[09:19] shimmerillio: maybe we need a buddy system so we don't lose track of each other
[09:19] Lynnutte: yeah, that is my job isn't it?
[09:20] Marten: You're right Lynnutte, it's your job. Whoops - my bad
[09:20] shimmerillio: lol lynnutte
[09:20] Lynnutte: lol
[09:20] * Marten is still a little wobbly from getting up early
[09:20] Lynnutte: np
[09:20] Narym: glad someone knows whos what job is
[09:20] * shimmerillio still hasn't had coffee
[09:20] Narym: Another reason for that FAQ
[09:20] Szark: Yes Lynnutte you should do it you are correct
[09:20] Marten: OK Szark, you don't have to worry about sending the e-mail. Lynnute will send it.
[09:20] Marten: :)
[09:20] * Narym is wobbly for getting to bed too late
[09:20] Szark: k
[09:20] Narym: ;)
[09:20] Lynnutte: Lynnutte is just a little wobbly
[09:20] Marten: I think I'll do better with breakfast. So with that, if nobody has anything else to add?
[09:21] Marten: (pause for dramatic effect)
[09:21] Narym: nope, I'm done
[09:21] shimmerillio: nothing
[09:21] Narym: *chirp chirp*
[09:21] Szark: no
[09:21] Marten: Meeting adjourned!
[09:21] Lynnutte: No me. I'm going back to bed
[09:21] shimmerillio: yay
[09:21] Narym: *of crickets*
[09:21] Tailahr: Great meeting, Marten!
[09:21] Lynnutte: bye bye everyone
[09:21] Narym: *gavel crashes down*
[09:21] nanouk: done for me....lol
[09:21] shimmerillio: bye everyone

2008, March 1st Chatlog: GoMe Meeting

Original thread can be found here: http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=249375

(03/01 18:04:49) Alderem: According to my KI, it is 16:00.
(03/01 18:05:09) Relayer Corps: mine too
(03/01 18:05:10) (Crier)_Nanouk: yep
(03/01 18:05:22) _Narym_: yeah, Marten and Szark are on the GoMe forums, so I just wanna give them a sec and see if they actually are coming
(03/01 18:05:24) Relayer Corps: so who is running this show?
(03/01 18:05:27) Alderem: Everyone, you know me as Marten; that avvie is on ice for now, at least until the 4th.
(03/01 18:05:34) Alderem: of April
(03/01 18:05:37) Nadnerb: ohhh
(03/01 18:05:3 Alderem: We'll see what happens beyond then.
(03/01 18:05:42) Nadnerb: hey then marten. 
(03/01 18:05:50) Relayer Corps: Hi Marten
(03/01 18:05:50) _Narym_: lol woops
(03/01 18:05:52) _Narym_: my bad
(03/01 18:05:56) Relayer Corps roars with laughter
(03/01 18:05:59) _Narym_: hello MArten 
(03/01 18:06:02) _Narym_ waves hello
(03/01 18:06:21) _Narym_: yay, I look like a complete twad now!!!
(03/01 18:06:23) Alderem: Szark mentioned on the GoMe forum that he did not realize the meeting would be at 1600, he thought it would be at 1400 which is late for him.
(03/01 18:06:35) Alderem: No, I look like a twad for not informing you sooner!
(03/01 18:06:42) (Crier)_Nanouk: You should be aware I am Artic_Wagon on MOUL's forums
(03/01 18:06:43) Relayer Corps nods her head
(03/01 18:06:50) Shimmerillion: lol we thought you were just a stalker
(03/01 18:06:5 Shimmerillion: a gome groupie, rather 
(03/01 18:07:02) Relayer Corps: lol
(03/01 18:07:04) _Narym_: so...
(03/01 18:07:16) _Narym_: anyone else have any important alter egos we should be aware of?
(03/01 18:07:24) Nadnerb is Nadnerb
(03/01 18:07:25) Alderem: Shimmer, I have list of topic areas, and information that Blade sent me in PM. I can drop that in your mailbox really quick if you prefer to run the meeting.
(03/01 18:07:25) Shimmerillion: i am actually rand
(03/01 18:07:3 Relayer Corps: Shimmer!!!
(03/01 18:07:40) Shimmerillion: marten, i have no pref
(03/01 18:07:42) Shimmerillion: LOL what if i was
(03/01 18:07:45) Relayer Corps: That's blashemy!
(03/01 18:07:52) (Crier)_Nanouk: I feel like that anyway due to my lack of experience...lol
(03/01 18:07:59) Relayer Corps: blasphemy
(03/01 18:08:15) _Narym_: ok, well, let's start then, I guess
(03/01 18:08:17) Relayer Corps: I'm Lynnuttte on the forums
(03/01 18:08:26) Relayer Corps: in case no one knew
(03/01 18:08:39) (Crier)_Nanouk: that is bad...lol
(03/01 18:09:00) Nadnerb: well, I've relayed the important stuff. >.>
(03/01 18:09:31) Nadnerb whacks KI with iron fist
(03/01 18:09:36) Nadnerb: so, are we starting?
(03/01 18:09:40) _Narym_: yeah
(03/01 18:09:41) Shimmerillion: yes let's do
(03/01 18:09:55) Alderem: Alright, Narym, your agenda looks quite similar to mine  Good
(03/01 18:09:57) _Narym_: Ok, so first off, Welcome 
(03/01 18:10:10) _Narym_: Do we have reps from the other Guilds here?
(03/01 18:10:32) Para Dox: I'm Councilor of Public Relations with the GoW
(03/01 18:10:50) _Narym_ waves to PAra
(03/01 18:10:53) _Narym_ waves hello
(03/01 18:10:59) _Narym_: any others?
(03/01 18:11:03) Relayer Corps: Glad to have someone from the GOW here
(03/01 18:11:15) (Crier)_Nanouk: welcome Councilor
(03/01 18:11:19) _Narym_: I think Kerryth was going to be it for the Maintainers
(03/01 18:11:22) Nadnerb is from the GoW as well. He's just here to watch though.
(03/01 18:11:35) _Narym_: And we haven't heard anything from the GoG and the GoC
(03/01 18:11:49) Relayer Corps: I'm from the GOG too nadnerb, but I can't represent them
(03/01 18:12:0 _Narym_: so this might be it for Guilds reps
(03/01 18:12:13) Shimmerillion: i never knew that. good for you L
(03/01 18:12:16) _Narym_: But that's cool, we've still got plenty to do
(03/01 18:12:17) Relayer Corps: looks that way
(03/01 18:12:33) Relayer Corps: unless you want me to go to the GOG hood and ask them if they want to send a rep.
(03/01 18:12:35) Nadnerb does not pretend that anyone represents anyone else.. but accepts that they have an idea of the group.
(03/01 18:12:47) _Narym_: lol if you think it would be worthwhile?
(03/01 18:12:55) Relayer Corps: probably not
(03/01 18:12:56) Shimmerillion: i have to leave at 6 ish
(03/01 18:13:05) Relayer Corps: most likely no guild leader will be there
(03/01 18:13:33) Alderem: OK. Well, Shimmer, Narym and I have agreed to ask you to discuss first our news submission system as it currently exists.
(03/01 18:13:33) Shimmerillion: 17:00ish that is
(03/01 18:13:45) (Crier)_Nanouk: I love that king of cooperation
(03/01 18:13:54) _Narym_: lol
(03/01 18:13:54) Shimmerillion: ok well it is currently a form that shoots to a database
(03/01 18:14:07) Shimmerillion: actually 2 forms, though i'm beginning to think one might be more expedient
(03/01 18:14:26) Shimmerillion: the feed is generated through PHP, pulling the latest database entries
(03/01 18:14:42) Relayer Corps: will it make it so I can keep posting on the RSS feeed?
(03/01 18:14:54) Relayer Corps: the one we have now hates me
(03/01 18:14:56) Shimmerillion: i have been looking at creating a master feed from our website feed as well as the affiliate RSS feeds or whoever else
(03/01 18:15:14) Shimmerillion: Lynnutte, the last time it was your browser caching old versions. i can't do anything about that
(03/01 18:15:25) Relayer Corps: oh yeah. my bad
(03/01 18:15:27) Nadnerb: hmm..
(03/01 18:15:2 Shimmerillion: lol
(03/01 18:15:30) Itiseye Mee waves hello
(03/01 18:15:31) Alderem: Welcome Szark, I thought it was going to be too late at night for you 
(03/01 18:15:42) Relayer Corps hangs her head in embarrassment
(03/01 18:15:45) Itiseye Mee: shorah all
(03/01 18:15:49) Nadnerb: Szark? >.>
(03/01 18:15:52) Itiseye Mee: sorry I am late
(03/01 18:15:52) Relayer Corps: Shorah
(03/01 18:15:56) Shimmerillion: welcome
(03/01 18:16:00) Ghame: Shorah
(03/01 18:16:05) (Crier)_Nanouk: shorah
(03/01 18:16:06) _Narym_: so, continue Shimmer 
(03/01 18:16:33) Shimmerillion: so anyway, the only bug left is that i might have to add some extra tags to the php-generated feed to make it play nicely with all the regular feeds
(03/01 18:16:51) Shimmerillion: this is so they display in order of publication
(03/01 18:17:02) Alderem: If you can incorporate automatic escaping of = signs so we don't have to use tinyurl, that'd be nice. There must be a mod for it somewhere.
(03/01 18:17:03) Shimmerillion: after i get that worked out, i should be able to swap them out
(03/01 18:17:11) Shimmerillion: and put the combined feed on the site
(03/01 18:17:16) _Narym_: Ok
(03/01 18:17:46) Shimmerillion: marten, i'll look into it but the first version probably won't have that feature
(03/01 18:17:51) Shimmerillion: for time's sake
(03/01 18:17:57) Alderem: Boy, do I understand that.
(03/01 18:18:23) Shimmerillion: oh, and i did change the verbage on the submission pages
(03/01 18:18:35) Shimmerillion: (shift-refresh if you still see the old verbage in IE)
(03/01 18:18:57) Shimmerillion: and if you guys think we need any changes to the Terms of Service, please let me know. i just made up some stuff
(03/01 18:19:01) _Narym_: cool
(03/01 18:19:03) _Narym_: yeah
(03/01 18:19:22) _Narym_: so how can the explorer community currently use the news submission service?
(03/01 18:19:26) Alderem: Yes. For those who weren't aware, the original text on the submit page had alarmed some people. Shimmer put a lot of thought into revising that. Please, do check those if you had objections previously and let us know if it is clearer now.
(03/01 18:19:42) Shimmerillion: well, all they have to do is fill out a form
(03/01 18:19:59) Shimmerillion: i can make a big button for it on the main page if that might help
(03/01 18:20:01) Shimmerillion: ?
(03/01 18:20:09) Itiseye Mee nods his head
(03/01 18:20:22) _Narym_: As in, bigger than the big 'submit' one that's already there?
(03/01 18:20:23) Alderem: I think it's pretty obvious on the page already, but continue please. An account is not necessary to submit news, correct?
(03/01 18:20:23) Relayer Corps: big button for those who can't see little buttons
(03/01 18:20:29) Shimmerillion: correct
(03/01 18:20:40) _Narym_: and the news is posted directly to the feed?
(03/01 18:20:51) Shimmerillion: narym, that is also correct
(03/01 18:21:06) (Crier)_Nanouk: I have no isea what you are talking about, so it must be ok...lol
(03/01 18:21:13) Shimmerillion: since the combined feed will not utilize the icons, i am thinking about doing away with the login submission form altogether
(03/01 18:21:31) Alderem: Bear in mind, if we find someone using this feed for spam, we will take actions. But for now, you do not need an account, and distribution to the RSS feed is automatic.
(03/01 18:21:37) Relayer Corps: I think that's a good idea
(03/01 18:21:39) Shimmerillion: i guess i'd still have to leave it up for lynnutte and i to edit/delete posts
(03/01 18:21:39) _Narym_: Crier, go to http://messengers.sixpencemedia.com
(03/01 18:21:47) _Narym_: I think guildofmessengers.com redirects there
(03/01 18:22:11) Para Dox: I seems to recall that the news system stripped a lot of the formatting
(03/01 18:22:19) _Narym_: and you'll see what were talking about 
(03/01 18:22:26) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok
(03/01 18:22:32) Shimmerillion: para dox, could you be more specific?
(03/01 18:23:00) Para Dox: In the original GoW Newsletter, I had listed all of the councilors on separate lines along with their positions
(03/01 18:23:04) Shimmerillion: ohhh
(03/01 18:23:25) Para Dox: When I submitted it, they were all on the same line and it was difficult to distinguish between them
(03/01 18:23:29) Shimmerillion: yeah it is currently a text entry, not a WSIWYG (what you see is what you get) entry form
(03/01 18:23:49) _Narym_: is that something that can be changed, Shimmer?
(03/01 18:23:5 Shimmerillion: i know this is important, so it is on my list. however, i do not want to overpromise how fast i can get a wsiwyg incorporated
(03/01 18:24:03) Para Dox: Shouldn't that still maintain line-break characters?
(03/01 18:24:07) Alderem: There are codes though, right? I see bulleted items on some of the Feed contents now.
(03/01 18:24:12) Nadnerb: Dox > no...
(03/01 18:24:17) Shimmerillion: nope, it does read html though
(03/01 18:24:21) Nadnerb: I would assmue it's just dropped in as html
(03/01 18:24:26) Nadnerb: html requires

(03/01 18:24:2 Shimmerillion: so if you put
it will read that as a line break
(03/01 18:24:31) Nadnerb: actual line breaks don't do wanything.
(03/01 18:24:37) Para Dox: Ah okay, so
is a workaround then
(03/01 18:24:42) Nadnerb nods his head
(03/01 18:24:46) Alderem: Alright. Unless we can find a way to maintain carriage returns from text entry, we should update the submit notice to indicate that HTML should be used.
(03/01 18:24:53) Shimmerillion: ok
(03/01 18:24:54) _Narym_: yeah
(03/01 18:24:55) Nadnerb: definitely
(03/01 18:24:55) Relayer Corps: let me know when you start talking in a language I can understand. lol
(03/01 18:24:5 Alderem: Good feedback!
(03/01 18:25:12) Alderem: RC, let me try...
(03/01 18:25:20) _Narym_: and maybe even a quick faq where the basic commands are listed for the less technically able 
(03/01 18:25:20) Relayer Corps: ok?
(03/01 18:25:20) Para Dox: Marten > Except that you don't want <blink> and <marquee> tags suddenly appearing in your feeds
(03/01 18:25:30) Para Dox: (and the rest of the community does want them either)
(03/01 18:25:37) Shimmerillion: yes, that is good feedback. the first newsposts were not that long, so it didn't occur to us to worry about formatting
(03/01 18:25:43) Itiseye Mee: For peps like Mee Naryn
(03/01 18:25:49) _Narym_: lol
(03/01 18:25:52) Shimmerillion: lol
(03/01 18:25:52) Nadnerb: Dox > well, it's been possible all this time...
(03/01 18:26:01) Nadnerb: so I wouldn't expect it to immediately be a problem
(03/01 18:26:04) _Narym_: but yeah, a faq for formatting should be rather simple to make
(03/01 18:26:14) Alderem: RSS is a technology for distributing information... An RSS feed can be added to your web browser so news articles appear like bookmarks, or it can be automatically incorporated into other websites.
(03/01 18:26:37) Itiseye Mee nods his head
(03/01 18:26:40) Relayer Corps: I know what an Rss feed is. I was talking about the programming one part. lol
(03/01 18:26:52) _Narym_: yeah, we can put that into a faq
(03/01 18:26:55) Shimmerillion: yup
(03/01 18:26:5 Para Dox: Nad > but if they state that HTML can be used for formatting...
(03/01 18:27:06) _Narym_: it may take too long to do now, when its something we can just do later
(03/01 18:27:31) _Narym_: Dox, we can always just list specific commands, instead of just saying html in its entirety
(03/01 18:27:39) Para Dox: That should work
(03/01 18:27:51) Shimmerillion: narym, that is a good idea
(03/01 18:27:52) Alderem: Alright. Anyway, we'll take the suggestion about formatting and do something about it. We'll return to the topic of news feeds again later to discuss the community-wide aspects.
(03/01 18:27:5 _Narym_: yes
(03/01 18:28:04) _Narym_: moving along... 
(03/01 18:28:12) Relayer Corps: lol
(03/01 18:28:34) Alderem: The GoMe also started a periodic newsletter, of as yet undetermined period.
(03/01 18:28:51) Relayer Corps nods her head
(03/01 18:29:14) Alderem: There was a poll to ask people how frequently we should mail that out. The newsletter will incorporate still-relevant news from the feed as well as other information the GoMe becomes aware of, of interest to the community.
(03/01 18:29:25) Alderem: Does anyone have the results of that poll?
(03/01 18:29:33) _Narym_: where was it posted?
(03/01 18:29:34) Relayer Corps: Yes
(03/01 18:29:37) Alderem: MOUL forums.
(03/01 18:29:40) Itiseye Mee: MOUL
(03/01 18:30:23) Relayer Corps: The general concensus was one a month or when there was something important to report
(03/01 18:30:52) _Narym_: ok
(03/01 18:30:57) _Narym_: well that's definitely doable
(03/01 18:30:57) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok
(03/01 18:31:02) Relayer Corps: Important meaning URU is back up and running or permanently scrapped or the Shards are opening
(03/01 18:31:06) Shimmerillion: lol
(03/01 18:31:06) Itiseye Mee: Thats about right imo
(03/01 18:31:14) Alderem: Which person specifically is running the newsletter, is that you, rC?
(03/01 18:31:19) Relayer Corps: yes
(03/01 18:31:21) Relayer Corps: for now
(03/01 18:31:23) Thumbs up from Alderem
(03/01 18:31:29) Alderem: Alright 
(03/01 18:31:4 Relayer Corps: I'm looking for help with the newsletter
(03/01 18:32:04) _Narym_: what's the format of the newsletter, atm?
(03/01 18:32:05) Relayer Corps: I have some RL issues going on right now, but this newsletter is important
(03/01 18:32:14) (Crier)_Nanouk: Have not received anything yet
(03/01 18:32:25) Relayer Corps: Really, right now it's free form
(03/01 18:32:25) _Narym_: shorah anthony
(03/01 18:32:35) Alderem: The first newsletter went out on February 9. So we're not due for the second one just yet.
(03/01 18:32:44) Itiseye Mee waves hello
(03/01 18:32:44) _Narym_: is it actually in the e-mail. or is it distributed by attachment?
(03/01 18:32:4 Shimmerillion: we had talked about doing an HTML email, but i also thought about throwing together something in publisher real fast
(03/01 18:32:4 (Crier)_Nanouk: ok
(03/01 18:32:51) Relayer Corps: We should have the next out sometime this week
(03/01 18:32:56) Alderem: What can we do to help, RC? Submit information to you for consideration? Piece one together on the forums?
(03/01 18:32:5 Itiseye Mee: shaorah Anthony
(03/01 18:32:59) Relayer Corps: as soon as I have time to do it
(03/01 18:33:04) Anthony: Hello
(03/01 18:33:10) Ghame: Shorah
(03/01 18:33:12) Relayer Corps: Yes and Yes
(03/01 18:33:31) Relayer Corps: write up short exerps and links to the info
(03/01 18:34:04) _Narym_: Should we have a thread/subforum on the GoMe forums for this purpose?
(03/01 18:34:15) Shimmerillion: or rather, if you think a particular story is important to include, tell us the title or itemID and we can just lift the text from the original post
(03/01 18:34:16) (Crier)_Nanouk: yes
(03/01 18:34:29) Relayer Corps: That's might not be a bad idea Narym
(03/01 18:34:43) Relayer Corps: That too Shimmer
(03/01 18:34:51) Alderem: I think those are both good ideas. I think people will prefer if we include original text, and it's easier.
(03/01 18:35:00) Shimmerillion: easier is my middle name
(03/01 18:35:04) Relayer Corps: I just want enough info in the article to make people want to learn more on their own
(03/01 18:35:13) (Crier)_Nanouk: simpler is best for all
(03/01 18:35:19) Relayer Corps nods her head
(03/01 18:36:01) Alderem: OK, sounds good. Any more comments on the newsletter? Did anyone who received the first one have suggestions?
(03/01 18:36:11) Relayer Corps: having one place for me to find all the info on the articles will make writting the newsletter alot easier
(03/01 18:36:20) Relayer Corps: or suggestions
(03/01 18:36:37) Relayer Corps: sorry. I read that as comments
(03/01 18:36:40) _Narym_: yeah, well, if he have a central sub forum, you can have that place
(03/01 18:36:46) Shimmerillion: i just made one
(03/01 18:36:52) _Narym_: or we can just dump it into your email inbox, if you prefer 
(03/01 18:36:56) Relayer Corps: Ty shimmer!
(03/01 18:37:01) (Crier)_Nanouk: I have made a suggestion on Relayer and Guilds/MOUL forums
(03/01 18:37:10) Alderem: Let's hear it
(03/01 18:37:32) Relayer Corps: ty Nanouk I will look at it
(03/01 18:37:51) Relayer Corps: sorry, I see to be lagging in the conversation
(03/01 18:38:00) Relayer Corps: please, tell us Nanouk
(03/01 18:38:03) (Crier)_Nanouk: too long for me, go to MOUL/GoMe forum for infos
(03/01 18:38:09) _Narym_: one question I had withs suggestion
(03/01 18:38:11) Alderem: OK. We'll read it there then.
(03/01 18:38:17) Relayer Corps: yes?
(03/01 18:38:39) _Narym_: @nanouk was it purely regarding in cavern news dissemination, or was it just news from the GoMe in general
(03/01 18:38:56) _Narym_: the suggestion in question is in the thread for this meeting on MOUL
(03/01 18:39:12) (Crier)_Nanouk: communications between Guilds
(03/01 18:39:19) _Narym_: ah, ok
(03/01 18:39:25) Alderem: Thank you Nanouk.
(03/01 18:39:39) _Narym_: Well, we will be addressing that later on I think...
(03/01 18:39:40) (Crier)_Nanouk: just a noob idea
(03/01 18:39:56) Relayer Corps: noob ideas can be some of the best
(03/01 18:40:03) Relayer Corps: fresh eyes and all
(03/01 18:40:0 Alderem: We are definitely going to cover that topic in just a bit.
(03/01 18:40:15) _Narym_: Yeah, we'll leave your suggestion for now Nanouk
(03/01 18:40:16) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok
(03/01 18:41:07) Shimmerillion: so whats next
(03/01 18:41:12) Alderem: Nanouk, You also had a suggestion about better organizing the news submission forum, for those who want to post news w/o putting it directly on the RSS feed?
(03/01 18:41:41) (Crier)_Nanouk: yes for using forums
(03/01 18:41:50) Relayer Corps: I'm sorry everyone. I have to leave. I'll see you later and look at the log once it's posted.
(03/01 18:41:56) (Crier)_Nanouk: a new specific one
(03/01 18:42:01) Shimmerillion: ok thanks for coming lynnutte
(03/01 18:42:03) Relayer Corps waves goodbye
(03/01 18:42:05) Itiseye Mee: bye RC
(03/01 18:42:0 Shimmerillion waves goodbye
(03/01 18:42:15) (Crier)_Nanouk: bye RC
(03/01 18:42:30) _Narym_: woops
(03/01 18:42:34) _Narym_: see you lynnutte
(03/01 18:42:36) Alderem: Alright. I think that's a good suggestion as well. I think we can use the same area for the newsletter that shimmer just created for that as wel, does that make sense, shimmer?
(03/01 18:42:55) Shimmerillion: actually i think it might be better to put it in visitors
(03/01 18:43:05) Shimmerillion: right now the newsletter thing is in guild business
(03/01 18:43:16) Shimmerillion: but i can make a new section for it
(03/01 18:43:23) _Narym_: couldn't they just use the newsbin?
(03/01 18:43:36) Shimmerillion: yeah that's what the intent was ... but i can certainly make another
(03/01 18:43:46) Alderem: Oh!
(03/01 18:43:50) _Narym_: ok, whatever's easy to access and mod
(03/01 18:43:5 Alderem: Maybe the problem is that it just isn't clear that's what Newsbin is for.
(03/01 18:43:5 (Crier)_Nanouk: read my suggestion and decide
(03/01 18:44:13) Alderem: OK. let's table this topic for now; i think we can sort it out on the forum.
(03/01 18:44:35) (Crier)_Nanouk: will support your choice
(03/01 18:44:36) Para Dox: Just FYI, I've just posted the latest GoW Newsletter. The HTML worked perfectly 
(03/01 18:45:04) Itiseye Mee cheers
(03/01 18:45:06) _Narym_: yay!
(03/01 18:45:0 Alderem: Very good!
(03/01 18:45:19) Alderem: I'm going to quickly detail the next few topics.
(03/01 18:45:42) Shimmerillion: great, para dox! 
(03/01 18:46:20) Alderem: There's Rel.to, Liaisons, What we can do with Liaisons, and Guild Structure
(03/01 18:46:40) Alderem: Oh, and Website improvement, skipped that by accident.
(03/01 18:46:4 Shimmerillion: can i put in my 2 cents about guild structure real fast? (not sure if we'll get to it before i have to go)
(03/01 18:47:00) _Narym_: yep, if its quick 
(03/01 18:47:07) Alderem: Okay.
(03/01 18:48:01) Shimmerillion: all i was going to say is that
(03/01 18:48:1 Shimmerillion: in the beginning, kalypso, lynnutte and i were doing a lot of the guild-proper stuff
(03/01 18:48:40) Shimmerillion: but kalypso is gone, as you know, and RL has gotten considerably more hectic for both lynnutte and i
(03/01 18:49:03) Shimmerillion: so while we are happy to keep doing as much as we can, i do think it is time we made some "real" job titles and stuff
(03/01 18:49:15) Shimmerillion: because i don't want people to get frustrated
(03/01 18:49:22) _Narym_: Yes
(03/01 18:49:25) Alderem nods his head
(03/01 18:49:35) Shimmerillion: and if there are others who have more time, i think it is appropriate to give them stuff to do! lol
(03/01 18:49:41) Shimmerillion: so that's all
(03/01 18:50:02) _Narym_: And if and when we get new people (We'll have to talk about job advertising aswell), we'll probably divide the workload in the more work heavy jobs
(03/01 18:50:03) Itiseye Mee: when skills allow
(03/01 18:50:11) _Narym_: Delegating is fun!! 
(03/01 18:50:27) _Narym_: point taken, Szark
(03/01 18:50:31) (Crier)_Nanouk: that does fit with my earlier suggestion
(03/01 18:50:46) Alderem: Delegation is essential... as is credit to those who are involved.
(03/01 18:51:09) Itiseye Mee: I am not a leader just a doer
(03/01 18:51:24) Alderem: Shimmer, you're also our webmaster, right?
(03/01 18:51:33) Shimmerillion: well yeah delegation but also true leadership positions. i don't want this to stagnate just because lynnutte and i are swamped
(03/01 18:51:40) Shimmerillion: yup
(03/01 18:51:50) Alderem nods his head
(03/01 18:51:54) Shimmerillion: that's actually all i signed up to do in the first place 
(03/01 18:51:57) Alderem: 
(03/01 18:52:04) _Narym_: lol
(03/01 18:52:12) _Narym_: isn't that always the way
(03/01 18:52:17) Shimmerillion: lol
(03/01 18:52:17) Alderem: A lot of times, the person who speaks up about something, gets the job of doing it.
(03/01 18:52:31) Shimmerillion: very true
(03/01 18:52:37) _Narym_: in any case....
(03/01 18:52:42) Shimmerillion: and we both like helping out, but ... well there you are. 
(03/01 18:52:43) (Crier)_Nanouk: clear mandates are always good
(03/01 18:52:49) _Narym_: shall we progress onto the next topic?
(03/01 18:52:54) Shimmerillion: yeah
(03/01 18:52:54) Itiseye Mee nods his head
(03/01 18:52:57) Alderem: So, all I wanted to touch on here is that if you have suggestions for the website, please post them to the forum or direct them to shimmer; she's very busy though so don't expect miracles.
(03/01 18:53:13) Alderem: And I do mean constructive suggestions.
(03/01 18:53:19) Shimmerillion: actually, i'm going to make a feature request thread in guild business. please post there
(03/01 18:53:27) Shimmerillion: yes, agreed (!)
(03/01 18:53:31) _Narym_: good
(03/01 18:53:33) (Crier)_Nanouk: ok
(03/01 18:53:57) (Crier)_Nanouk: pretty good idea
(03/01 18:54:22) Alderem: I'm going to quickly breeze over a topic of my own, Rel.to. Rel.to is a website that I'm hoping the messengers and community at large will find useful. Erik, Tweek, and I have been working on it since December.
(03/01 18:54:46) Alderem: Rel.to is an index to the community. It also carries the RSS feed from the Guild of Messengers so you can pick up the latest news too.
(03/01 18:54:46) Itiseye Mee: very nice too
(03/01 18:55:31) Alderem: The future design of Rel.to can be found if you go to rel.to/proto , and I am seeking feedback on what would make it better. If you have suggestions, please let me know.
(03/01 18:56:0 Alderem: That includes sites that may not be listed, or you feel are miscategorized, as well as layout issues. No concern is too small.
(03/01 18:56:24) Alderem: That's all on that topic. I think we're ready to discuss liaisons.
(03/01 18:57:17) Alderem: I was hoping Lynnutte would still be here because in some ways, the liaison role maps a bit to the Relayers, or perhaps to the criers; liaisons are the human face of the GoMe seen by others.
(03/01 18:57:3 Alderem: The role of liaisons would include keeping up with their delegated or chosen parts of the community, and improving co-ordination between our groups.
(03/01 18:57:57) _Narym_ nods his head
(03/01 18:58:09) Shimmerillion nods her head
(03/01 18:58:16) Alderem: The Maintainers and the Writers have both asked for liaisons, and SuperGram expressed frustration that no official GoMe presence has been attending her parade organization meetings...
(03/01 18:58:26) Alderem: So there is a clear call from the community for this sort of role.
(03/01 18:58:31) Shimmerillion: hm
(03/01 18:58:41) Para Dox: indeed
(03/01 18:59:25) (Crier)_Nanouk: I am the english to french translater for Relayers
(03/01 18:59:56) Alderem: Right now, we are a pretty small group, and many of us have our hands full with assorted tasks. So, we may not always be able to provide our own liaisons to other groups. In some cases, we'll probably need the other groups to put forth a liaison.
(03/01 19:00:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: and will cover french forums
(03/01 19:00:22) _Narym_: this is true
(03/01 19:00:30) _Narym_: thanks, Nanouk
(03/01 19:00:41) Shimmerillion: but i guess we still need to tell these liasons who they should be in contact with?
(03/01 19:00:4 _Narym_: yes
(03/01 19:00:56) _Narym_: and also how this communication will actually take place
(03/01 19:00:5 Alderem: That is right; we need to define guild structure to make that clear.
(03/01 19:01:05) Shimmerillion: yes
(03/01 19:01:07) Alderem: (which is why that's one of the next topics)
(03/01 19:01:15) (Crier)_Nanouk: agree for other to provide a REP
(03/01 19:01:30) Shimmerillion: it might also be smart to have a MOUL liason, though
(03/01 19:01:42) Shimmerillion: someone from our side who reads MOUL forums a lot and can scan for news
(03/01 19:01:51) Shimmerillion: likewise with the other big forums
(03/01 19:02:22) Alderem: If the Writers prefer that the GoMe provide a liaison, one of us will step forward for that; I already have an account at the GoW and could dedicate some time each day to reading the news there. I also know Paradox can catch me on Cyanchat.
(03/01 19:02:41) Para Dox: What I'm looking for as Gow PR Rep is someone from GoMe that I can contact if I need to get information out
(03/01 19:03:15) Para Dox: I don't mind submitting the GoW newsletters manually (although I'm hoping to get an RSS feed for those)
(03/01 19:03:34) Shimmerillion: it seems to me that we just need one catch-all person for the other Guild PR people to talk to
(03/01 19:03:44) _Narym_: yeah
(03/01 19:03:51) _Narym_: One InterGuild Liaison
(03/01 19:03:55) Para Dox: but someone who could quickly check our calendar for meetings, and post those onto a GoMe calendar...
(03/01 19:03:56) Shimmerillion: like kalypso was doing ...
(03/01 19:04:01) Shimmerillion misses kalypso
(03/01 19:04:32) Alderem: Right now, the GoMe doesn't have its own calendar and uses the GoG one, but that's something I have as a topic to bring up a little later
(03/01 19:04:43) Shimmerillion: marten, actually we do have a calendar
(03/01 19:04:50) Alderem: We do?
(03/01 19:05:05) (Crier)_Nanouk: how about creating a thread on each Guild forums for them to communicate with us ?
(03/01 19:05:05) Shimmerillion: yes, we have been sharing events back and forth with the gog
(03/01 19:05:16) Shimmerillion: nanouk, that's a good idea
(03/01 19:05:51) Para Dox: I'm trying to make a list for future GoW PR people of who to contact from each of the other guilds
(03/01 19:06:04) Alderem: It seems like it would be easier for us to integrate onto one calendar.
(03/01 19:06:1 Para Dox: I know that MustardJeep is PR for the GoMa, but I have noone from GoC, GoG, or GoMe
(03/01 19:06:33) Shimmerillion: we can talk about the calendar later, let's finish this first
(03/01 19:06:40) (Crier)_Nanouk: always part of my early suggestion...lol
(03/01 19:06:53) Alderem: If Shimmer thinks I'm up to the task, and if you also agree Paradox, I can be the contact person.
(03/01 19:07:03) Shimmerillion: i fully support that
(03/01 19:07:12) Para Dox: That's fine with me 
(03/01 19:07:21) Shimmerillion: yay!
(03/01 19:07:29) _Narym_: lol
(03/01 19:07:35) (Crier)_Nanouk: yep, we are rolling now
(03/01 19:07:41) _Narym_: Marten, you are now the Official GoMe Liaison
(03/01 19:07:43) _Narym_: 
(03/01 19:07:47) Alderem: For the GoW. 
(03/01 19:07:4 _Narym_ salutes
(03/01 19:07:59) _Narym_: lol
(03/01 19:08:02) _Narym_: yes, my vad
(03/01 19:08:03) _Narym_: bad
(03/01 19:08:06) _Narym_: for the GoW
(03/01 19:08:26) (Crier)_Nanouk: do not forget to show a list on GoMe
(03/01 19:08:29) Shimmerillion: ah, rats. for a minute there i thought we'd convinced him to be GoMe Liason for everyoe
(03/01 19:08:36) _Narym_: yeah, me too
(03/01 19:08:41) Alderem: We'll work out other groups and such later. I do think we'll need a top liaison person, but it's something to sort out in our little job list.
(03/01 19:08:42) _Narym_: He's too smart for that, darn it
(03/01 19:08:45) Shimmerillion: lol
(03/01 19:08:53) _Narym_: yes
(03/01 19:08:55) Para Dox: Isn't Kerryth acting as Liaison to the GoMa?
(03/01 19:09:02) Alderem: Yes.
(03/01 19:09:03) _Narym_: Yeah
(03/01 19:09:25) _Narym_: Shimmer, can we add a page to the homepage with these people and their positions, contact details, etc?
(03/01 19:09:26) Shimmerillion: does kerryth need to go on the gome website also?
(03/01 19:09:30) Shimmerillion: absolutely
(03/01 19:09:33) _Narym_: I would say yes
(03/01 19:09:44) Alderem: We're going to need, I think, a sort of liaison committee, with one liaion for each major group, plus a leader liaison that anyone can go to if they don't have representation or if they have an issue with their liaison.
(03/01 19:09:57) _Narym_: yep
(03/01 19:10:00) Para Dox: That sounds good
(03/01 19:10:05) _Narym_: so a group of 5
(03/01 19:10:13) Alderem nods his head
(03/01 19:10:25) Para Dox: I definitely think that a stickied post on the forums, or better yet, a page on the website listing all of the liaisons would be a great idea
(03/01 19:10:2 (Crier)_Nanouk: wow, we are going somewhere
(03/01 19:10:40) _Narym_: yeah, shimmer said she could do that
(03/01 19:10:54) _Narym_: so that's done
(03/01 19:10:5 Shimmerillion: yes i think i am going to have to sit down and have an all-day coding session tomorrow
(03/01 19:10:5 Alderem: Doc, I think a lot of information - such as how to use the Newsbin, who are the liaisons, what is our guild structure - needs to go into one big FAQ sticked at the top of the forum.
(03/01 19:11:05) Shimmerillion: genius!
(03/01 19:11:0 Shimmerillion: good idea
(03/01 19:11:14) Para Dox: agreed
(03/01 19:11:23) _Narym_: I can put that together, if no one else wants to
(03/01 19:11:36) Shimmerillion: yes please
(03/01 19:11:36) Alderem: You just volunteered. You speak you get the job.
(03/01 19:11:42) _Narym_: yay!!!
(03/01 19:11:45) Shimmerillion: lol
(03/01 19:11:46) _Narym_: More work for me!!!
(03/01 19:11:55) Shimmerillion: NOW we're getting somewhere lol
(03/01 19:11:56) Itiseye Mee: Mee say nothing
(03/01 19:12:01) Shimmerillion roars with laughter
(03/01 19:12:17) _Narym_: Ok, well is there anything else related to liaisons that we need to address?
(03/01 19:12:29) Shimmerillion: narym, just send it to guildofmessengers@gmail.com when you finish
(03/01 19:12:40) _Narym_: k, np
(03/01 19:12:45) Alderem: I think we should move on to the next topic.
(03/01 19:12:50) _Narym_: Good idea.
(03/01 19:13:25) Alderem: Before we get into guild structure, I have a little list of suggestions and ideas... I want to present some of those because they tie into the structure idea.
(03/01 19:13:40) Itiseye Mee: ok
(03/01 19:13:41) _Narym_: Shoot.
(03/01 19:14:02) Shimmerillion: i have to leave soon, but i'll stay as long as i can
(03/01 19:14:21) Alderem: Blade Lakem had a lot of ideas, some which I may or may not agree with; I wanted to share those for mulling over.
(03/01 19:15:0 Alderem: Blade feels we need to be proactive, a strong guild. Other guilds already have "Definite ideas and plans", but the GoMe hasn't been as clear on theirs. He said, we should be the "first stop" for anything about Myst/Uru/D'ni
(03/01 19:15:21) Alderem: To accomplish that...
(03/01 19:15:56) Alderem: He felt we need to bring the affiliates closer into the GoMe, and focus less on personal affiliate projects.
(03/01 19:16:37) Alderem: He also mentioned that - although we do have that nifty news submission system - Uru's population isn't large enough for a self-sustaining website, updated entirely by the users. We must collect information from the community.
(03/01 19:17:14) Alderem: In other words, in a very large group, some are natural at reporting news and submitting it into the system. But Uru's community isn't large enough, so we have to do a little more work to collect news.
(03/01 19:18:06) Alderem: Blade suggested that guildmasters or leaders have an active vision, and organize guild-specific projects which may not neatly fall into one affiliate or another's domain. Relying on affiliates, he warned, will not work for every task.
(03/01 19:19:12) Alderem: He also suggested that we look into substituting for the defunct Assembly of Guilds, as an organization that provides the connectivity between the other guilds. He suggested we initiate features to cover the Uru community, stories about how Uru fits into other communities like SL and There, stories on Age Building, etc.
(03/01 19:19:47) Alderem: He proposed we talk to Thend about his Explorers Outside of Uru directory, and that we look into a solution for Lial's departure from updating the Calendar.
(03/01 19:20:02) Alderem: So... lots of ideas, thrown onto the table.
(03/01 19:20:52) Shimmerillion: i agree with most of that. my one concern is manpower
(03/01 19:21:04) Itiseye Mee: Shorah SD Raven
(03/01 19:21:17) skydiver Ravenraft: shorah all
(03/01 19:21:20) Alderem: Absolutely. We need to find people who will champion these ideas.
(03/01 19:21:22) Shimmerillion: welcome
(03/01 19:21:32) skydiver Ravenraft: ty
(03/01 19:21:33) (Crier)_Nanouk: agree with manpower bug
(03/01 19:21:43) Alderem: So, Blade's final comment was this...
(03/01 19:22:07) Alderem: We need to start by recruiting in people, looking at new affiliate groups, and motivating those groups to participate as part of the GoMe.
(03/01 19:22:41) Itiseye Mee: Most websites out there are no so busy with new information so news will be sketchy at best or doing anything new
(03/01 19:22:59) Alderem: So... when he suggests we subsitute for the AoG, that means going to the people who were in the AoG and talking to them. When he says look at Thend's directory, that means we should talk to Thend.
(03/01 19:23:12) Itiseye Mee: the only on going realy is GoW and GoMa
(03/01 19:23:21) Christopher910: hi
(03/01 19:23:25) Shimmerillion: right .. liason work
(03/01 19:23:30) (Crier)_Nanouk: need to send an invitation on MOUL...lol
(03/01 19:23:33) Itiseye Mee: hiya Chris
(03/01 19:24:34) Shimmerillion: i mean, it would be great if we had a huge slew of reporters who combed through MOUL and the other forums, went and talked to people etc, and created real news reports
(03/01 19:24:4 (Crier)_Nanouk: invitation with very precise tasks
(03/01 19:24:50) Shimmerillion: i'm just not sure how we get to that point
(03/01 19:24:55) Itiseye Mee: AoG hasn't been used in months only by SAPS who have a new home
(03/01 19:25:05) Shimmerillion: nanouk, possibly
(03/01 19:25:06) Alderem: As I said, I don't necessarily agree with -every- thing Blade said. I think the affiliate system is pretty good. But I do think that with no specific delegation of responsibilities, tasks we'd like to accomplish won't get done.
(03/01 19:25:2 Shimmerillion: what is the status of all our affiliates? who is staying intact?
(03/01 19:25:47) Alderem: Narym and Anthony, you've been representing TCT, right?
(03/01 19:25:52) (Crier)_Nanouk: just call for free lancers news reporters
(03/01 19:26:05) Itiseye Mee: Advert
(03/01 19:26:14) _Narym_: ah...somewhat
(03/01 19:26:34) _Narym_: I've never really spoken for TCT at all
(03/01 19:26:35) Shimmerillion: nanouk and szark, yes, but what's the backup plan if we don't get any response?
(03/01 19:26:4 Christopher910: i hope more people would from SL to URU
(03/01 19:26:49) (Crier)_Nanouk: make it look as a good job offer
(03/01 19:26:49) _Narym_: Probably only ever spoken in regards to The Archiver
(03/01 19:27:20) Alderem: Rather than freelancers, I think we should talk to each group out there, and say "Hey there, we want you to know about what we can do for you", let each group know about the liaison they should talk to.
(03/01 19:27:39) Itiseye Mee: Good point shimmer have to think one that one
(03/01 19:27:56) Shimmerillion: hey, i really hate to have to leave now, but i have to run
(03/01 19:28:01) Shimmerillion: i will catch up on the log
(03/01 19:28:04) _Narym_: ok, np
(03/01 19:28:06) Itiseye Mee waves goodbye
(03/01 19:28:07) Nadnerb: ok, cya Shimmer
(03/01 19:28:07) Shimmerillion: thanks all!
(03/01 19:28:09) Nadnerb salutes
(03/01 19:28:10) Shimmerillion waves goodbye
(03/01 19:28:12) Alderem: Goodnight Shimmer
(03/01 19:28:14) _Narym_ waves goodbye
(03/01 19:28:16) (Crier)_Nanouk: all possibilities should be covered...;p;
(03/01 19:28:27) _Narym_: oooo, synchronised waving
(03/01 19:28:31) Alderem: Is Anthony asleep?
(03/01 19:28:3 Christopher910 waves goodbye
(03/01 19:28:47) _Narym_: poosibly
(03/01 19:28:4 StarbucksJim waves hello
(03/01 19:29:06) Itiseye Mee: Hiya Aterbuck
(03/01 19:29:09) Alderem: Well; I don't think we're going to build the structure of the guild in one night.
(03/01 19:29:16) Itiseye Mee: nope
(03/01 19:29:16) _Narym_: yeah, I think he's asleep
(03/01 19:29:27) Alderem: But, the impression I have is that most if not everyone here thinks it is a good idea.
(03/01 19:29:39) Itiseye Mee: agreed
(03/01 19:29:59) Alderem: Paradox, you had said that you would be willing to offer suggestions, based on the GoW's experiences in organizing?
(03/01 19:30:01) Itiseye Mee: Lets hope it pays off
(03/01 19:30:21) (Crier)_Nanouk: small steps by small steps>>>>>>big steps for the Community
(03/01 19:31:17) _Narym_: Para?
(03/01 19:31:47) Para Dox: uhm...
(03/01 19:31:49) Justin: watcha doin?
(03/01 19:32:01) Itiseye Mee: hiya Justin
(03/01 19:32:04) _Narym_: meeting
(03/01 19:32:05) Justin: Hi
(03/01 19:32:0 Alderem: Guild structure is the topic, you had offered suggestions/advising, is that right?
(03/01 19:32:14) Anthony: back
(03/01 19:32:14) Justin: i hope I"m not interupting somethign?
(03/01 19:32:20) Para Dox: Essentially, the GoW elections didn't really change the way that the GoW was run
(03/01 19:32:20) Justin: Is this something about the GoW?
(03/01 19:32:23) Justin: oOO
(03/01 19:32:24) Justin: Kewl
(03/01 19:32:25) (Crier)_Nanouk: looking for new news reporters
(03/01 19:32:27) Alderem: We are hopefully wrapping up the Guild of Messengers meeting.
(03/01 19:32:36) Justin: O, GoW
(03/01 19:32:37) Justin: Er M
(03/01 19:32:43) Para Dox: It just have a list of names of people who could be contacted
(03/01 19:33:14) Nadnerb: it basically just made figuring out who to talk to in the GoW less overwhelming for outsiders.
(03/01 19:33:20) Para Dox: It gave us some work to do (newsletters, meetings, etc.) but didn't really impact the overall guild
(03/01 19:33:30) (Crier)_Nanouk: does Justin want to volonteer as a news reporter ?
(03/01 19:33:37) Nadnerb: they could say.. "ok, this person is guild councilor of , I'll talk to them"
(03/01 19:33:47) Alderem: Ok. I want to express that we're willing to listen to your experiences in building your guild structure, how you elected people and such.
(03/01 19:33:52) Nadnerb: instead of wondering if they should post in a forum, or a subforum..
(03/01 19:33:53) _Narym_: Yeah
(03/01 19:34:12) Alderem: Nadnerb> Definitely.
(03/01 19:34:14) _Narym_: so we can have councillors of various media ie video, writing, sound
(03/01 19:34:15) Para Dox: To be honest, if I made a post stating that thought everyone should move to a different place, I'd likely be ignored
(03/01 19:34:2 _Narym_: as well as Chieft Editors, Webmasters, etc
(03/01 19:34:43) Para Dox: I really don't have any "power", and neither do any of the other councilors (aside from the ability to do forum maintenance)
(03/01 19:35:19) Para Dox: Our elections were pretty much three people got together, came up with a structure document, and then appointed someone for each position
(03/01 19:35:24) Nadnerb: as fo the "elections" basically some people came up with a list of nominees and held a series of polls to see if theyw would be accepted..
(03/01 19:35:34) Alderem: I think that's a key statement and something we could use as a model. One of the reasons we were averse to structure at the start was what was perceived to be a quick power grab.
(03/01 19:35:39) Para Dox: The election was mostly just a "do you accept the person who we've appointed"
(03/01 19:35:57) Alderem: People need to know that positions are about responsibility, not power.
(03/01 19:36:02) Para Dox: In the future, I'd like to see a nomination campaign
(03/01 19:36:06) Nadnerb: Which it turned out not to be.. , indeed.
(03/01 19:36:24) Para Dox: but to start with, take what you've got and change how you label it
(03/01 19:36:29) _Narym_: yeah
(03/01 19:36:30) Nadnerb: you just have to understand that you're people talking on a webforum. Realistically, you have no power over anyone else..
(03/01 19:36:50) Alderem nods his head
(03/01 19:36:53) Nadnerb: you're just setting up nice contacts and positions for everyone else..
(03/01 19:36:56) _Narym_: so work out the positions and their titles, then put it to the community for nominations, then elections, right PAra?
(03/01 19:37:09) (Crier)_Nanouk: We should create Positions and ask for volonteers first
(03/01 19:37:31) Nadnerb: that was my ideal ... volunteers
(03/01 19:37:35) Nadnerb: in practice though..
(03/01 19:37:39) Nadnerb: no one volunteered..
(03/01 19:37:47) Nadnerb: except the people who came up with the structure.
(03/01 19:37:54) Alderem: Your guild members are smart. 
(03/01 19:38:29) (Crier)_Nanouk: need also a good job description
(03/01 19:38:32) Para Dox: Narym > That's basically it
(03/01 19:38:36) (Crier)_Nanouk: brb
(03/01 19:38:44) _Narym_: Well, we can do that
(03/01 19:38:55) _Narym_: What are some key positions that need to have a clearly defined head?
(03/01 19:39:0 Para Dox: The initial group of "leaders" will probably end up being the ones who are already acting as leaders on the forum
(03/01 19:39:43) Para Dox: I would suggest having the inter-guild liaisons as positions, a forum maintenance person, and any other key people in your guild
(03/01 19:39:53) Nadnerb: a feed mantinance person.
(03/01 19:39:59) Justin: sorry to interupt, but is this meeting about the GoW, GoM or just the Guilds in general?
(03/01 19:40:0 _Narym_: It's a GoMe meeting
(03/01 19:40:09) Nadnerb: we're talking about the future of the GoMe
(03/01 19:40:11) Justin: Ah
(03/01 19:40:13) Justin: Ok
(03/01 19:40:14) Justin: Jw
(03/01 19:40:20) _Narym_: but it does include discussion of Liaising between other guilds
(03/01 19:40:24) Para Dox: The positions that we have are fairly specific to certain aspects of Age Creation, your positions will be specific to your guild's needs
(03/01 19:40:32) Alderem nods to Paradox
(03/01 19:40:44) Justin: Ah
(03/01 19:40:59) Anthony: hmm
(03/01 19:41:0 Alderem: Hey, welcome back Anthony.
(03/01 19:41:27) Danne55: Hello
(03/01 19:41:39) _Narym_: hello Danne
(03/01 19:41:47) Alderem: I'm going to explain my perception of the affiliate system as it seems to stand presently.
(03/01 19:42:22) (Crier)_Nanouk: we should make Job Position Beta testing for a limited time period...lol
(03/01 19:43:02) Nadnerb spills tea, curses, and goes afk
(03/01 19:43:02) Alderem: We've got several TCT persons working with us. Lynnutte of the Relayers is working with us, Artic of the Criers with us, and Veralun from CCN has attended meetings pretty regularly here but hasn't really contributed at the forum
(03/01 19:43:31) Alderem: And that's about it. That's what I know of it.
(03/01 19:44:11) _Narym_: Do represent CCN or the Great tree in any capacity with your participation with the GoME, MArten?
(03/01 19:44:37) Alderem: I am not representing either of those groups with my participation.
(03/01 19:44:44) _Narym_: Ok. Understood
(03/01 19:44:52) _Narym_: Continue
(03/01 19:44:53) Anthony: ok
(03/01 19:45:0 (Crier)_Nanouk: I have made posts on Relayers forum only so far
(03/01 19:45:22) Alderem: It's impossible to represent CCN anyway... each member of CCN only represents him or herself. It's just how they do things.
(03/01 19:45:42) Anthony: ok
(03/01 19:46:02) Itiseye Mee: so looks like no one really reps anyone then
(03/01 19:46:07) (Crier)_Nanouk: though I was only allowed to post on Relayers
(03/01 19:46:13) Anthony: I guess not
(03/01 19:46:27) Itiseye Mee is a bit puzzled...
(03/01 19:46:33) Anthony: I'm here for TCT as well as I would assume narym is
(03/01 19:46:40) (Crier)_Nanouk: (as a Crier)
(03/01 19:47:52) Itiseye Mee: Guild or whatever I mean't. I asked Shimmer if she wanted help with photography
(03/01 19:48:04) Itiseye Mee: I ended up with the TCT
(03/01 19:48:06) (Crier)_Nanouk: so you see, your structure is not that clear for newcomers
(03/01 19:48:11) _Narym_: I represent The Archiver, I suppose, rather that TCT. But even then, I've always been happy to let Anthony forward my thougts to the GoMe, if a formal rep system started
(03/01 19:48:31) _Narym_: Maybe we should organise 'Councillors' by medium
(03/01 19:48:46) Alderem: The main idea of the affiliate system as I 've understood it was that the GoMe would distribute news to the affiliate organizations, or distribute news on their behalf. The GoMe would not dictate standards to those groups.
(03/01 19:48:59) _Narym_: most of the affiliates use differnt media anyway
(03/01 19:49:09) Itiseye Mee: Yes what Marten and yourself Narym makes alot of sense about structure
(03/01 19:49:11) Alderem: Thinking of it in light of the liaisons to the other guilds, I don't see much of a difference.
(03/01 19:50:05) _Narym_: wel, the main idea is simply to have a clear contact for each type of news, yes?
(03/01 19:50:24) (Crier)_Nanouk: agree
(03/01 19:50:31) Alderem: I think that is something for us all ot ponder as we work out the guild structure; that the affiliate system and the liaisons are somewhat the same thing. So those types of positions fit together, I think.
(03/01 19:50:42) _Narym_: And in terms of intra Guild comms, someone who understands that media enough that hey can represent the others who work with tha media
(03/01 19:51:00) _Narym_: Or am I not makings sense? 
(03/01 19:51:06) Itiseye Mee: like Blender??lol
(03/01 19:51:47) Alderem: I think, Narym, that gets into an educational aspect that the GoMe doesn't yet have the manpower/womanpower to drive yet, but it's an area near and dear to my own heart.
(03/01 19:51:59) _Narym_: ok
(03/01 19:52:0 _Narym_: So the question still comes to...
(03/01 19:52:16) Alderem: I love to share information on how I've worked on projects with others. People are always welcome to ask.
(03/01 19:52:21) _Narym_: What, if any, positions are required outside of Inter Guild Liaisons
(03/01 19:53:26) _Narym_: Any thoughts from anyone?
(03/01 19:53:30) Alderem: I don't think I have the energy to attack that question tonight. Can we continue that discussion on the forum?
(03/01 19:53:31) (Crier)_Nanouk: we should not try ro cross a bridge before getting to the river
(03/01 19:54:00) _Narym_: ok, no problem
(03/01 19:54:03) (Crier)_Nanouk: to cross*
(03/01 19:54:12) Alderem: I think there were some suggestions earlier in this discussion, so that's something to dig out of the log file and talk about.
(03/01 19:55:12) Alderem: I'm out of topics. Unless Narym, Anthony, or Nanouk have further items to add...
(03/01 19:55:30) (Crier)_Nanouk: my suggestion: First ID a problem then...find a solution
(03/01 19:55:31) Alderem: Or Itiseye...
(03/01 19:55:37) _Narym_: No. I think any other things that I wanted to discuss are, as you say, best left for another time
(03/01 19:55:56) Alderem: Nanouk - that has been shimmer and Lynnutte's motto from the start. 
(03/01 19:55:56) _Narym_: But structure will have to be worked out at some stage
(03/01 19:56:04) (Crier)_Nanouk: lol lol
(03/01 19:56:0 _Narym_: yes
(03/01 19:56:1 _Narym_: It's actually on the website about page, and everything 
(03/01 19:56:35) Alderem: Okay. The floor is now open to anyone else for questions or thoughts.
(03/01 19:56:3 _Narym_: So, are there any other questions at all? The floor is open
(03/01 19:56:44) _Narym_: lol
(03/01 19:56:4 _Narym_: lag
(03/01 19:57:20) (Crier)_Nanouk: will also register at real GoMe for better understanding...lol
(03/01 19:57:25) Alderem: I do want to thank Paradox and Nadnerb for attending, I hope you felt that your time here was well spent, I do feel that it was, myself.
(03/01 19:57:33) _Narym_: yes
(03/01 19:57:46) Para Dox: It was nice to get an insight into the GoMe 
(03/01 19:57:54) _Narym_: It was good to have reps here
(03/01 19:57:56) Alderem cheers
(03/01 19:58:03) Itiseye Mee: It is nice that people care
(03/01 19:58:06) _Narym_: Shame we couldn't have all guilds represented, but that will happen in time
(03/01 19:58:14) (Crier)_Nanouk: working on good foundations is always best
(03/01 19:58:23) Alderem: I knew that the GoW cared when they came to our forum to let us know they felt we could do better. 
(03/01 19:58:32) _Narym_: lol
(03/01 19:58:40) Itiseye Mee: lol
(03/01 19:58:52) Itiseye Mee: I read that oohhh
(03/01 19:58:53) Alderem: We will do our best.
(03/01 19:58:55) _Narym_: And We have Kerryth who volunteered to work with us an the Maintainers, which is also good
(03/01 19:59:13) _Narym_: so, for the benefit of everyone
(03/01 19:59:17) (Crier)_Nanouk: all good news
(03/01 19:59:1 _Narym_: www.guildofmessengers.com
(03/01 19:59:31) Alderem: Alright. We've eaten up 2 hours of everyone's time. So thank you for attending!
(03/01 19:59:42) _Narym_: Go there, check it out, help us out with suggestions, and also feel free to contribute any news you hear as well
(03/01 19:59:49) _Narym_: That's pretty much it.
(03/01 19:59:57) (Crier)_Nanouk: very welcome. It was pleasant
(03/01 19:59:57) Adam_Reith: TY Narym
(03/01 20:00:04) Itiseye Mee: Nice to see you again and nice to see Narym
(03/01 20:00:06) _Narym_: Meeting closed, Marten?
(03/01 20:00:14) _Narym_: lol nice to see you too, Szark
(03/01 20:00:23) Alderem: Yes, meeting closed.
(03/01 20:00:26) Alderem: Adjourned!
(03/01 20:00:40) _Narym_: Would the defendant please step down.... 
(03/01 20:00:45) _Narym_ steps down
(03/01 20:00:47) Alderem claps his hands
(03/01 20:00:50) Adam_Reith laughs
(03/01 20:00:50) (Crier)_Nanouk: good night everybody
(03/01 20:00:50) _Narym_ claps his hands
(03/01 20:00:54) Para Dox: g'night
(03/01 20:00:5 _Narym_: night
(03/01 20:01:00) Nadnerb: g'ngiht
(03/01 20:01:01) Para Dox (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(03/01 20:01:02) Nadnerb salutes
(03/01 20:01:02)
(03/01 20:01:15) Itiseye Mee: Well it is getting really late here so I will bid you all a fair well
(03/01 20:01:23) _Narym_: yeah, go to bed Szark 
(03/01 20:01:25) Nadnerb: g'ngiht Itis
(03/01 20:01:27) (Crier)_Nanouk: bye all
(03/01 20:01:2 _Narym_: I know its late where you are
(03/01 20:01:34) Nadnerb salutes
(03/01 20:01:34) _Narym_: night nanouk
(03/01 20:01:37) Itiseye Mee thanks you
(03/01 20:01:3 _Narym_: or day
(03/01 20:01:39) Alderem: Goodnight, thank you all!
(03/01 20:01:43) _Narym_: or whatever time it is where you are
(03/01 20:01:45) Adam_Reith: Late? Why, 'tis but 1:00 am here. Early
(03/01 20:01:46) _Narym_ bows
(03/01 20:01:55) Nadnerb: heh
(03/01 20:01:55) skydiver Ravenraft (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(03/01 20:01:56) _Narym_: lol
(03/01 20:01:5 Itiseye Mee thanks you
(03/01 20:01:59) Adam_Reith: 
(03/01 20:01:59) Alderem: Narym, you've got a log? I've been logging too.
(03/01 20:02:03) Nadnerb: that kind of schedule huh?
(03/01 20:02:05) _Narym_: yeah
(03/01 20:02:09) Nadnerb has a full log as well
(03/01 20:02:11) _Narym_: I've got one
(03/01 20:02:15) _Narym_: Who wants to post it?
(03/01 20:02:19) Nadnerb: where should it be posted?
(03/01 20:02:23) _Narym_: MOUL
(03/01 20:02:30) Nadnerb: hmm.
(03/01 20:02:31) Nadnerb: ok
(03/01 20:02:33) _Narym_: maybe in the thread for this meeting?
(03/01 20:02:52) Alderem: That's a good place.
(03/01 20:02:54) _Narym_: I'll see if I can sumamrise into the main points, but I've got a lot on my plate for the next couple of days
(03/01 20:03:11) _Narym_: so are you volunteering yourself for posting the raw chat, Nadnerb?
(03/01 20:03:19) Nadnerb: uh
(03/01 20:03:22) Alderem: Sounds godo Narym. For now I'm going to post the very basic topic list, but just on the GoMe forum.
(03/01 20:03:23) Nadnerb: yeah. 
(03/01 20:03:32) _Narym_: Thank you Nad
(03/01 20:03:37) Nadnerb: np.
(03/01 20:03:52) _Narym_: just copy paste, that'll do for now. I'll try to get something more concise togeter in the next few days
(03/01 20:04:03) _Narym_: you know where the thread is?
(03/01 20:04:11) _Narym_: and thanks Marten
(03/01 20:04:47) _Narym_: cya soon Ant
(03/01 20:04:56) Anthony: cya
(03/01 20:05:06) _Narym_: oh wait, you didn't leave 
(03/01 20:05:07) _Narym_: my bad
(03/01 20:05:15) Adam_Reith: goodnight all.
(03/01 20:05:27) Nadnerb: 'night
(03/01 20:05:30) Alderem: Thanks Narym. You helped a lot 
(03/01 20:05:42) Alderem: reminded me when to move on to a new topic and such 
(03/01 20:06:31) _Narym_: lol np
(03/01 20:06:42) _Narym_: Thanks for all those words of discussion 

2009, Feburary 28th Chatlog: Newspaper Meeting Minutes

Nanouk_Metal: anyone saving the chat ?
Theremin: OK, let's get started! /me pounds gavel
Theremin: I need a volunteer to save the chat.
Szark: Save button for the chat is just above where you type in to
ghaelen: I can save it and then what do I do with it?
Theremin: Good question. Guild book maybe?
Szark: Post it in a Tread in the Non private Newspaper section. Might have to start a new thread
Szark: or Guild book
ghaelen: ok
Theremin: Sounds good, then we can comment additionally
Theremin: ...the thread
ghaelen: Meeting Minutes
Theremin: Perfect!
Szark: New Guild book in Newspaper Discussions then
Theremin: LOL very good. How's the new wiki going for everyone?
Szark: ok Chat log sorted next
Nanouk_Metal: Szark has a Guild Book obsession. lol
Szark: yes I do

Leonardo: lol...let him play with his new toy, Nanouk :D
Nanouk_Metal: new wiki much better for me
Sophia: :)
Theremin: Nanouk has the floor, elaborate for us.
Szark: not my new toy its all yours as well
Szark: sorry go on nanouk
Nanouk_Metal: New wiki very easy to understand
ghaelen: I'm just learning how to use it
Theremin: ghaelen, anything frustrating for you?
ghaelen: no, I'm just slow
Nanouk_Metal: But I have not try to write a text yet. lol
Theremin: Szark is the expert, we'll leave him out! Leo?
ghaelen: I am interested to see how it renders into a .pub or pdf, and if that process will change or no
Nanouk_Metal: only edited one Szark late News. lol
Szark: no change to assembly
Leonardo: I like it...I'm adding just now a page
ghaelen: ok
Theremin: ghaelen, we'll be very interested to know how that works out, especially if we can streamline it in any way.
Leonardo: ok....it's up under Explorer's Lounge
Szark: what we have to think of is Blu when copying text. Keep it simple as possible
Theremin: Thanks Leo, I'll take a look later. :)
ghaelen: yes, Theremin, me too. When I am better versed, we might try a practice doc just to see
Nanouk_Metal: I have not seen Explorer Lounge yet
Nanouk_Metal: how do I get there ?
Szark: Explorers' Lounge is a newspaper section
Theremin: Good point Szark, do we want to include formatting in the articles, or just leave notes as to the formatting we want?
Nanouk_Metal: ok, will check later
Szark: Newspaper Disscussions Marh nespaper and follow the links
Szark: Theremin No keep fomatting to there baer min
Leonardo: I think we should leave the formatting to blu...she knows what has to be made Italic, bold, underlined, what size, etc
Szark: notes are better
Theremin: ...such as [bold] This should be bold! [/bold]
Szark: As I said the comments for artciles are now visable
ghaelen: so, she'll do it the same way she did before?
Szark: Bold yes
Sophia: that might be translated, better use ( )
Szark: Italics yes
Szark: What we need to do is have some guide lines of what is required like what I did on the other Wiki
Theremin: gp Sophia, but I didn't want to confuse when we want to actually use parenthesis (know what I mean?)
ghaelen: I am so dazzled at what Sophia has done here I thought maybe she gave blue a magic button that rendered from wiki-to-publisher or something.
Szark: Yes ghaelen
Sophia: lol yes :)
Szark: ghaelen: so, she'll do it the same way she did before? Yes ghaelen
Theremin: should have said [bold] (Know what I mean?) [/bold]
Szark: Yes those simple things like Bold and italics anr standard for all programs but as some of you have found out.....
Szark: that tranfering formatting can be a pain
ghaelen: ok, then things will be the same for me, too. And if I can keep using the publisher plugin (looks hopeful at Theremin) minor edits and last minute changes will take very little time.
Szark: the same when coping from this site in to Microsoft
Szark: thought I can copy and paste plain text if I want to
Szark: yes ghaelen
ghaelen: is now fat and happy
Theremin: ghaelen, if that works for you, I've been very happy with the results.
Szark: I am only taking abot the pages with the articles one btw
Szark: Bad spelling day today sorry
Theremin: I (and anyone else who wants to) can look into some alternative programs as well to accomplish this, in the event blu or ghaelen is unavailable at press time.
ghaelen: thanks, Theremin, and now I can pick up some of the work from blu, too, in regard to editing. The little changes are easier for me to do myself once I get the pub file.
ghaelen: I'm going to experiment with Open Office a bit
Szark: I heard fron Blu today and she is happy so far we can adjust as we go
ghaelen: ok
Theremin: I was thinking exactly that, ghaelen!
Leonardo: I don't think Open Office will open pub files...IIRC I tried some time ago
Theremin: My thought is not limiting these jobs to people who have to buy a program.
Szark: so as it stands you are all ok with the Newspaper process?
Theremin: We've elected you the new Editor-in-Chief!
Al'Kaera: Can't be here long, I'll just listen. Carry on YO!
Theremin: First, any comments/problems with Wiki?
Theremin: ...from Al?
Szark: Theremin: We've elected you the new Editor-in-Chief! does
that mean I can be just Photographer then
Theremin: ...it's up to Al...
Al'Kaera: I'll go hide now.        
Szark: So Al'k is the new Editor in chief??
Theremin: OK, I think the Wiki is working out nicely.
Al'Kaera: Theremin is just looking for a fight Szark.
Theremin: At least maybe Guest Editor for an upcoming issue? Al?
Szark: I am game just don't shoot me
Al'Kaera: The wiki is ALREADY better than the other one.
Szark: Shall I e-mail Marten and let him know then
Al'Kaera: Szark and I like it A lot and have a lot done not even
counting the newspaper.
Al'Kaera: I'd wait on that Szark.
Theremin: How about content? Lilyflower has expressed an
interest in writing an article.
Leonardo: He'll see when he comes back...we went away for
thinking, not just because we didn't like the Wiki    
l'Kaera: Maybe Marten will come back and decide he likes it here
too
Leonardo: *he went*
Theremin: A little break is good for everyone.
Theremin: Natales is also writing an article.
Theremin: Does anyone feel like they'd want to do more, or less?
Szark: please say more
Theremin: Try their hand at something different?
Al'Kaera: raises hand.
Nanouk_Metal: I cannot do less. lol
Leonardo: I may be busier in the times to come and I don't know if I'll be able to translate the Newspaper
Theremin: Al has the floor, speak up
Al'Kaera: I'm already doing more.
Al'Kaera: Tutorials with Szark...
Al'Kaera: Moving info from wiki here....
Al'Kaera: Working out little kinks with Sophia about the website etc...
Al'Kaera: Forum and website Admin... that's enough by itself.
Sophia: nodded at Al'K not Nanouk lol
Szark: yes Al'k is doing a good job of finding holes in the site
Al'Kaera: I like being the admin.
Szark: good
Al'Kaera: I like you guys abusing the Admin.
ghaelen: I may take up another task, but I probably won't have said I would do it officially because that would be too much like committment. After I'm doing it, then I'll accept the job. Right now I'm still wearing too many hats elsewhere.
Theremin: This is kind of the idea to be a "guest" whatever.
Al'Kaera: And I have 'power' in the ROLE as Admin. There is now power in tut writing.
Al'Kaera: no power in tuts
Theremin: Not to commit to the job but to assist someone
Al'Kaera: Nor Newspaper interviews etc. just deadlines.
Szark: Yes Theremin to give others a go at something new
Szark: even once
Al'Kaera: So I think right now I'm doing plenty for me and for the rest of you.
Theremin: If you'll recall, I was promised when I was co-editor all I'd do was help the Editor.
Szark: yep
Al'Kaera: Yeah, we know how long that lasted eh?
ghaelen: yeah, I watched that happen, Theremin, lol. I learned from you.
Theremin: Then suddenly...
Leonardo: lol....but then the editor ran away
Szark: but unlike you I will not never accept the Editors job
Al'Kaera: Was Lynnutte the original editor IC
Szark: yes
Theremin: Szark is interviewing me for his "Nightmares" series... LOL
Szark: lol
ghaelen: lol
Nanouk_Metal: Me learning Forums moderation and helping new members. lol
Szark: good idea
Al'Kaera: Do you think she would mind being Co-Editor for a while?
Al'Kaera: Let Szark off the hook.
Al'Kaera: Isn't she still doing a lot with taking care of her dad?
Theremin: If she and Szark want, I don't have a problem.
Szark: lol I am happy looking out making things are in the right place and so on. me happy
Leonardo: I have to go now....guests are here and dinner is almost ready. Cya all and have a good meeting!!! :grin:
Sophia: I'm happy watching you all be happy :D
Szark: but I will never stop anyone from doing it if they want to
Al'Kaera: You are REALLY trying to give that job up huh Theremin?
Theremin: No, I just don't want anyone to feel that I'm "King of the Hill".
Szark: the way you work never Theremin
Al'Kaera: Seriously... I was given ONE chance at 'editing'. I fell flat on that. Had no clue. so quit asking me.
Szark: Team player if I have ever seen one
Szark: I mean it makes people inclusive in the Paper
Nanouk_Metal: If you like troubles, make me Chief Editor. lol
Theremin: Nanouk, want to Guest Edit?
Nanouk_Metal: no way, that was a joke
Theremin: looks sad
Nanouk_Metal: I have enough problems with my WorkPad.lol
Theremin: Al, interviews are tough. You did an excellent job on that article.
Szark: So Theremin were you just sounding out the room or are you thinking of stepping down??
Theremin: What works best in a "volunteer" type of organization, is if many people are able to handle many tasks.
Al'Kaera: Everyone who is involved, about a dozen of us out of 200, are in this boat. One steers, some row, some bail, some fish, and some sunbathe, we all get tanned just the same.
Al'Kaera: I'll row or bail. It's busier.
Szark: I appreciate that but Editing is a rare quality like Webmasters
Al'Kaera: That is right Szark. Talent given or learned over time.
Theremin: True, but I'm still learning the editing profession from those who are better than me.
Al'Kaera: OK folks, birthday party time. Really must go.
Sophia: Sadly the GoMe is so small, would be wonderful if you got more people involved and feel commited
Szark: Yes I and you take peoples ideas and thoughts onboard, you adpted to this situation.
Al'Kaera: Don't give Szark and me all the work. :read:
Al'Kaera: I'll catch up with the recording.
Al'Kaera: Bye BYe
Theremin: To answer your question Szark, I'm not planning on stepping down anytime soon.
Theremin: Although I have been secretly training someone (without their knowledge) to take over in a crisis.
Szark: k
Szark: yeah subtle wasn't it
Theremin: hehe
Nanouk_Metal: cannot guess who is the trainee
Szark: me see more than you might think
Theremin: talk about me for a minute, I'll be right back...
Nanouk_Metal: not surprise then. lol
Szark: ok
ghaelen: After we are finished, how much of the chatter should I leave in the chat log?
ghaelen: and, should I use tags so the post isn't a long one?
Nanouk_Metal: I'd say minimum
ghaelen: k
Theremin: I'm back. Edit out the junk, keep it short
ghaelen: k
Szark: Business as much as you can without spending hours getting every line out
Theremin: secretly training another editor
Nanouk_Metal: or strike out name of people not here
Szark: Whats next boss
Theremin: I think that's all the semi-important stuff.
Theremin: Szark will set the next meeting
Theremin: These are very informal
Nanouk_Metal: ok
Szark: I have had an idea...........
Theremin: Let him know any topics you may want to discuss
Nanouk_Metal: impossible
Theremin: What is it, Szark?
Szark: Golden KI comp was quite popular.
Szark: I was thinkingthat we could do something similar with both the paper and the Website
Nanouk_Metal: I have a thread of winners...lol
Szark: do our own version
Theremin: I'm not familiar with Golden KI, but I always like trying new things.
Szark: you’ve done it know I can't type
Szark: Golden KI was a picture comp done by DWPR GOA
Nanouk_Metal: Golden KI images for the best picture of the month
Szark: People would submit, be judged and then published
Theremin: I'm liking this already...
Nanouk_Metal: lol
Szark: I have thought of how yet but I wanted to throw it out there
Theremin: Sorta like the Holiday Picture contest?
Szark: yep but monthly
Szark: bi monthly
Nanouk_Metal: hoping we get more entries...lol
Theremin: For sure, Nanouk!
Szark: yes nanouk I was thinking if people get used to a regular then we might get more
Szark: brb
Nanouk_Metal: bi monthly better
Nanouk_Metal: it would give them time for hunting
Theremin: Not to step on toes (Szark) but if we were to announce it with a really cool photo...
Theremin: ...I'm thinking one of yours Nanouk, you've got some great shots.
Szark: no stepping there boss
Nanouk_Metal: I have a very rare one ready
Szark: nice idea
Szark: Can I start a thread and we can put ideas there
Theremin: Yeah Szark, good call.
Szark: Also did anyone see this http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17125&highlight
Szark: I have asked if I can do an article on it.
Theremin: Don't click the link, you'll leave the chat...
Szark: right click and open in new window
Nanouk_Metal: I did click and am still here
Theremin: Ah! Learned something!
ghaelen: that is cute!
Szark: I liked that thread
Nanouk_Metal: I have no children so... I feel lucky...lol
Szark: niether do I but Myst and Education I think is great
 Szark: even at aged 3
 Nanouk_Metal: I agree. Children like being different at times
Theremin: OK, I may have to cut out in a couple of minutes here.
Nanouk, maybe you'd want to give Szark a hand with the Golden KI stuff?
 Nanouk_Metal: no problem with that

 

2010, April 1st Chatlog: GoMe Meeting

(04/01 19:54:55) Chat.log started...
(04/01 19:55:23)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah Julee
(04/01 19:55:25)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: shorah
(04/01 19:55:34)  Luna(nne): shorah
(04/01 19:55:36)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: nice to see you all!
(04/01 19:55:41)  GoMe_Irissa: Shorah, Ju'lee
(04/01 19:55:42)  GoMeLeonardo: ^^
(04/01 19:55:49)  GoMeLeonardo: started a chat log
(04/01 19:55:54)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: oh, good
(04/01 19:56:13)  GoMeLeonardo: It will go in one of the GUild Books on the website
(04/01 19:56:21)  GoMe_Irissa: I did also, Leo
(04/01 19:56:27)  Luna(nne): good
(04/01 19:57:18)  GoMeLeonardo: Let's wait a bit more to see if someone else comes
(04/01 19:59:24)  GoMe_Irissa: Oh..dont let me forget to Ki Mail you folks what I have written up on CES
(04/01 19:59:48)  Luna(nne): yeah do that
(04/01 19:59:52)  GoMe_Irissa: In fact, with all of your permission, I'll do it now and get it over with, LOL
(04/01 19:59:58)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: great, thanks
(04/01 20:00:00)  GoMe_Irissa: oh darn it
(04/01 20:00:01)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(04/01 20:00:02)  GoMe_Irissa: I cant.
(04/01 20:00:07)  Luna(nne): i haven't yet managed to get a gome kimail
(04/01 20:00:10)  Luna(nne): not?
(04/01 20:00:11)  GoMe_Irissa: oh damn
(04/01 20:00:20) GoMe_Irissa kicks herself
(04/01 20:00:26)  GoMe_Irissa: pardon me one sec!
(04/01 20:00:28)  GoMe_Irissa: brb
(04/01 20:00:31)  GoMeLeonardo: lol
(04/01 20:00:39)  GoMeLeonardo: I can pass you the Kimails Lunanna
(04/01 20:00:46)  GoMeLeonardo: *Lunanne
(04/01 20:01:07)  Luna(nne): yeah do that, I would like to have them before the guild interest weekend
(04/01 20:01:09)  blutec: Shorah!
(04/01 20:01:16)  GoMeLeonardo: shorah blu!!
(04/01 20:01:24)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: shorah blutec
(04/01 20:01:28)  Luna(nne): shorah
(04/01 20:01:33) blutec waves hello
(04/01 20:01:40) GoMe.Ju'lee D waves hello
(04/01 20:01:51)  To Luna(nne): done
(04/01 20:01:55)  GoMeLeonardo: how are you?
(04/01 20:02:00)  blutec: oops, didn't change to apprioriate dress...
(04/01 20:02:07)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: lol
(04/01 20:02:16)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(04/01 20:03:08)  blutec: oh wait, now I know, I'm not in my GoMe avi... brb LOL
(04/01 20:03:28)  Luna(nne): I don't even have a gome avi
(04/01 20:03:30)  GoMe_Irissa: My deepest aplogies. Been having an insanely busy day.
(04/01 20:03:50)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(04/01 20:04:13)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: ya...I'm working as we speak so am watching with half-an-eye....(eeeuuuu)
(04/01 20:04:39) [crier] blutec waves hello
(04/01 20:04:46)  GoMeLeonardo: awwww. Next time we'll make it on a better time for america
(04/01 20:05:04)  Luna(nne): it will be worse for europe
(04/01 20:05:16)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: lol, luckily I'm working from home so no one can see me with two computers on my desk
(04/01 20:05:31)  GoMeLeonardo: eh, I know. Maybe on a weekend we'll be able to get more ppl together
(04/01 20:05:42)  [crier] blutec: lol great Ju'lee
(04/01 20:05:42)  GoMe_Irissa: All of you should have 2 ki mails from me, dated today.
(04/01 20:05:48)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: yes thanks
(04/01 20:05:49)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(04/01 20:05:52)  Luna(nne): yeah I got it
(04/01 20:05:52)  [crier] blutec: I have, ty Irissa
(04/01 20:06:08)  GoMe_Irissa: I hope so, Leo..the downtime last week really threw us all into a scheduling problem
(04/01 20:06:13)  [crier] blutec: is someone logging?
(04/01 20:06:18)  GoMe_Irissa: yep
(04/01 20:06:23)  [crier] blutec: great
(04/01 20:06:51)  Luna(nne): so shall we start with the official business?
(04/01 20:07:03) GoMe_Irissa is ready.
(04/01 20:07:06)  GoMeLeonardo: yep
(04/01 20:07:15)  GoMeLeonardo: so
(04/01 20:07:30)  GoMeLeonardo: the first subject for today is the Cavern Events Team
(04/01 20:08:08)  GoMe_Irissa: First off, forgive me slowness at typing what is current. Could not print today.
(04/01 20:08:18)  GoMeLeonardo: dont worry ^^
(04/01 20:08:22)  GoMe_Irissa: Does everyone here know what the Cavern events team is?
(04/01 20:08:34)  [crier] blutec: Not yet :-)
(04/01 20:08:50)  GoMe_Irissa: right. Then I shall just begin at the beging.
(04/01 20:09:34)  [crier] blutec: (only if it's not too much trouble)
(04/01 20:09:41)  GoMe_Irissa: Players need in-game content. And while we wait for Cyan to do the Open Source process, players who finished their ages may get bored.
(04/01 20:10:07)  GoMe_Irissa: We need to keep those players here. Cyan depends on a big player base to move on with their plans.
(04/01 20:10:42)  GoMe_Irissa: Hence, a focused team of people need to work with the player base, the Guilds, and the other groups to further that goal.
(04/01 20:10:55)  GoMe_Irissa: I've been working on a plan to make that happen.
(04/01 20:11:45)  GoMe_Irissa: To summerize the goal of this group: Cavern Event Services will be the go-to group for all event creation, hosting, support, etc.
(04/01 20:12:17)  GoMe_Irissa: By having staff, a Bevin and a website, CES will assist in all cavern events of any type.
(04/01 20:12:37)  [crier] blutec: Is it a coordination or organizing (or both) thing?
(04/01 20:12:50)  GoMe_Irissa: Both
(04/01 20:12:58)  GoMe_Irissa: let me list what I hope we can offer
(04/01 20:13:08) GoMe_Irissa catches her breath.
(04/01 20:13:31)  GoMe_Irissa: 1. Development, creation, support, and hosting of events.
(04/01 20:13:37)  Luna(nne): would you also approach others with the question or they want to be promoted by the CET/GoMe. o I'll wait XD
(04/01 20:14:47)  GoMe_Irissa: 2. Offer all types of support to said player base, be they indivduals, guilds or groups.
(04/01 20:15:16)  GoMe_Irissa: 3. Create a system that allows CES to handle all these things efficiently
(04/01 20:15:45)  GoMe_Irissa: This would involve the CES Bevin, the CES Website, Ki Mails, etc.
(04/01 20:16:14)  GoMe_Irissa: 4. Sponsership: A community effort to promote groups and guilds through support from CES.
(04/01 20:16:41)  GoMe_Irissa: 5. Relationships with all Guilds, and a close relationship with GoMe.
(04/01 20:17:05)  GoMe_Irissa: I could post further details, but perhaps it would be better to take any questions?
(04/01 20:17:19)  GoMe_Irissa: Luna: did I get yours answered?
(04/01 20:17:22) [crier] blutec likes it verrrrry much *puts slacker-mind to sleep / dusts support-cap*
(04/01 20:17:23)  Luna(nne): maybe you could recruite by all guilds
(04/01 20:17:33)  Luna(nne): yeah sort of
(04/01 20:17:37)  GoMe_Irissa: I plan to approach each guild individually
(04/01 20:17:52)  GoMe_Irissa: however, as you all know, some members of some Guilds are hesitant of change.
(04/01 20:17:58)  Luna(nne): there is this marker game bevin. would you alsp promote that kind of stuff
(04/01 20:18:08)  Luna(nne): which isn't really an event
(04/01 20:18:13)  GoMe_Irissa: Yes indeed, Luna...
(04/01 20:18:14)  GoMeLeonardo: Yes I mainly think that the more diffcult part would be managing all the content in the Cavern since KIs have limited storage and Imagers can't hold many documents nor they let ppl download them
(04/01 20:18:36)  GoMe_Irissa: Leo, I very much agree, and that is a difficult thing to overcome.
(04/01 20:19:11)  GoMe_Irissa: Our recent discussion about having a Guild presence in GoMe is tied to that.
(04/01 20:19:21)  GoMe_Irissa: Pardon, the GoMe avatar.
(04/01 20:19:39)  Luna(nne): a bo tthing might be interesting
(04/01 20:19:53)  Luna(nne): *bot like the one the guild of greeters has
(04/01 20:20:18)  GoMe_Irissa: I've approached OHB about this. At present, he is not willing to share his code. Howver, he is receptive to further communication about it.
(04/01 20:20:47)  GoMe_Irissa: OHB is one of the few people who have been contact about this project.
(04/01 20:20:51)  Luna(nne): okay
(04/01 20:21:05)  [crier] blutec: OHB is also looking onto automate KImail :-)
(04/01 20:21:19)  GoMeLeonardo: That would be useful!
(04/01 20:21:23)  GoMe_Irissa: I'd also like to remind everyone that there is a bullet list that I wrote about this, in the Visitors forum on the website.
(04/01 20:21:32)  GoMe_Irissa: That would be incredibly useful indeed.
(04/01 20:21:36)  Luna(nne): maybe more criers would help.
(04/01 20:22:03)  GoMeLeonardo: yes, indeed
(04/01 20:22:12)  GoMe_Irissa: I'm currently working on several aspects of the CES project, and an happy to say I have found someone who can host the CES website.
(04/01 20:22:33)  GoMeLeonardo: great ^^
(04/01 20:22:40)  [crier] blutec: I'll try to look into it to see what I can contribute to this project
(04/01 20:22:43)  GoMe_Irissa: Other things I'm working include a CES mandate, recruiting tools, and lots of writing to prepare.
(04/01 20:22:56)  GoMeLeonardo: do you mean a found a person or you found a good hosting company
(04/01 20:22:57)  GoMeLeonardo: ?
(04/01 20:23:27)  Luna(nne): you should also think of a way to promote
(04/01 20:23:35)  GoMe_Irissa: Without going into to much detail, I have found someone who will pay a company to use the CES website.
(04/01 20:23:42)  GoMeLeonardo: I see
(04/01 20:24:04)  GoMe_Irissa: Luna: promoting is very big in my mind. At this time, I'm keeping a low profile while I develop the basics of the group.
(04/01 20:24:18)  GoMe_Irissa: Pardon..to HOST the CES website.
(04/01 20:24:22)  GoMeLeonardo: just FYI the GoMe uses SophiaHosting, which is quite cheap and offers many services
(04/01 20:24:42)  [crier] blutec: it will be quite an architecture I guess to set it up
(04/01 20:24:49)  GoMeLeonardo: yeah
(04/01 20:24:50)  GoMe_Irissa: I'll hit you on that topic later on, Leo, and thank you for the tip.
(04/01 20:25:02)  Luna(nne): no it is just that the community is quite spread, and some groups don't look on each other forums etc.
(04/01 20:25:08)  GoMe_Irissa: Bluetec: I have experiance in developing and creating websites.
(04/01 20:25:09)  Luna(nne): some don't look on forums at all
(04/01 20:25:37)  [crier] blutec: oh sorry I meant the whole package not the architecture of the media
(04/01 20:25:46)  GoMe_Irissa: Luna: promotion will require posting on multiple sites, and here in the cavern as well.
(04/01 20:25:57)  GoMe_Irissa: bluetec: on that you are correct.
(04/01 20:25:57)  GoMeLeonardo: yes, I think you should point mainly on the Cavern part of the CES and use the site for general infos on who you are and for coordinating your memebers
(04/01 20:26:07)  GoMe_Irissa: Leo: that is the plan
(04/01 20:26:44)  GoMe_Irissa: Blutec: any interest you have in assisting this propose group is appreciated.
(04/01 20:27:17)  Luna(nne): hmmm could I make an unrelated comment or should I note it down for later
(04/01 20:27:20)  GoMe_Irissa: Let me state that I can't possibly think of every issue, problem etc, and I am very open to any feedback, advise, criticism, etc.
(04/01 20:27:22)  [crier] blutec: You'll have me :-)
(04/01 20:27:52)  GoMe_Irissa: I don't think I have anything else vital to report.
(04/01 20:27:52)  [crier] blutec: me & my support I mean
(04/01 20:29:00)  GoMeLeonardo: uhm....she puffed
(04/01 20:29:16)  [crier] blutec: lol
(04/01 20:29:17)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: goodness
(04/01 20:30:03)  GoMeLeonardo: However I think this CES would be great thing especially if it will be able to cover many links between groups
(04/01 20:30:22)  GoMeLeonardo: like The GoMa, which is quite active in that field, the D'niJs
(04/01 20:30:27)  GoMeLeonardo: and others
(04/01 20:31:05)  Luna(nne): i think the guild interest weekends will also help
(04/01 20:31:08)  [crier] blutec: It's also nice for those to join to offer support if they're not in for a Guild
(04/01 20:31:38)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(04/01 20:31:57)  GoMeLeonardo: They'd be a bit like an expansion of the Cavern Criers
(04/01 20:32:13)  [crier] blutec: and if it's easy to organize an eent, there will be more, and more events will be good for logins
(04/01 20:32:26)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: wb
(04/01 20:32:27)  [crier] blutec: wb Irissa
(04/01 20:32:41)  GoMe_Irissa: Sorry about that. Disconnected. Returned as quickly as I could.
(04/01 20:32:44)  GoMeLeonardo: wb Irissa
(04/01 20:32:51)  [crier] blutec: np
(04/01 20:32:51)  Luna(nne): wb Irissa
(04/01 20:32:56)  GoMe_Irissa: thank you :)
(04/01 20:33:12)  GoMeLeonardo: we kept discussing a bit on the CES
(04/01 20:33:48)  GoMe_Irissa: On that topic, might I suggest something?
(04/01 20:34:13)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(04/01 20:34:19)  GoMe_Irissa: I'd perfer to get anything about CES off the public forum area of GoMe.
(04/01 20:34:33)  GoMe_Irissa: I'd like to create a new thread in the private areas. Is this agreeable?
(04/01 20:34:42)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(04/01 20:34:50)  GoMe_Irissa: I'll do that today.
(04/01 20:35:11)  GoMeLeonardo: I can move your topic to the private section, or if you prefer to create a new one just go for it
(04/01 20:35:21)  GoMe_Irissa: Little did I know, when I first posted, how quicly you lovely folks would integrate me into the GoMe group :)
(04/01 20:35:35)  GoMeLeonardo: ^^
(04/01 20:35:38)  GoMe_Irissa: I'd perfer, with your permission, to create a new thread :)
(04/01 20:35:47)  GoMeLeonardo: yes :)
(04/01 20:36:48)  To Prynn: Done! SOrry if you haven't met any CavernCrier, we'd doing a Guild Meeting right now ^^
(04/01 20:37:09)  GoMeLeonardo: ok..sorry I ws PMing with someone requesting some KImails XD
(04/01 20:37:15) GoMe_Irissa laughs
(04/01 20:37:39)  GoMe_Irissa: Any other CES matters you all want to throw at me?
(04/01 20:38:09)  GoMeLeonardo: It would be wonderful if you can create links with the D'niJs and other groups like them
(04/01 20:38:27)  GoMeLeonardo: They're a great source of events
(04/01 20:38:32)  GoMe_Irissa: That is on my list of things to do!
(04/01 20:38:50)  GoMe_Irissa: I very much agree with that.
(04/01 20:38:54)  Luna(nne): we might need a link between the CES website and the GoMe
(04/01 20:38:56)  GoMeLeonardo: Also, the Maintainers are active on the Events Organization side
(04/01 20:39:11)  Luna(nne): so that events don't have to be posted twice
(04/01 20:39:15)  GoMe_Irissa: Luna: that is also planned
(04/01 20:39:21)  GoMe_Irissa: the link I mean
(04/01 20:39:44)  GoMe_Irissa: Leo: of this I am aware of, and they are the first guild I am going to approch.
(04/01 20:40:18)  GoMeLeonardo: ^^
(04/01 20:40:32)  GoMeLeonardo: It seems you've done a lot of good research!!
(04/01 20:40:34)  GoMeLeonardo: great
(04/01 20:40:56)  GoMe_Irissa: I'm trying very hard to consider all aspects of this group that need to be identified. :)
(04/01 20:41:50)  GoMe_Irissa: I'm very carefully considering how to approach the other guilds. It will require great tact and diplomacy
(04/01 20:42:12)  GoMeLeonardo: On the Events side: it would be very interesting to have some events with Europe affordable times...we can't make almost any of them
(04/01 20:42:31)  [crier] blutec: just remember, even at its most carefull you'll always meet sensitive toes
(04/01 20:42:42)  [crier] blutec: never mind those I mean
(04/01 20:42:46)  Luna(nne): the d'ni university wanted to make sure all timezones could come
(04/01 20:42:49)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: and there is such a European fan base - that should happen
(04/01 20:42:52)  GoMeLeonardo: don't be scared of the Guilds, they are explorers just like all of us
(04/01 20:42:57)  GoMe_Irissa: I very much agree. I will EU players are most certainly as important as any other group
(04/01 20:43:06)  Luna(nne): yeah but less organized I think
(04/01 20:43:24)  GoMe_Irissa: Blutec: yes, but honey AND a stick are better then just a stick, heh.
(04/01 20:43:49)  [crier] blutec: lol
(04/01 20:43:55)  GoMeLeonardo: lol
(04/01 20:44:06)  GoMeLeonardo: yes EU people are less organized
(04/01 20:44:19)  GoMe_Irissa: I'd like to think that the first post I made on the GoMe forums was the sort of approacth that would be useful in this effort.
(04/01 20:44:34)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(04/01 20:44:35)  [crier] blutec: ok, I'll try to make an exception on those EU's then lol
(04/01 20:44:47)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL blu
(04/01 20:44:51)  Luna(nne): yeah, be open and expect not always polite comments
(04/01 20:44:58)  [crier] blutec: (and read the GoMe forums for starters)
(04/01 20:45:05)  Luna(nne): try not to get into arguing
(04/01 20:45:06)  GoMe_Irissa: At this point, and no offense intended, I think EVERYONE is still trying to get organized again.
(04/01 20:45:22)  GoMe_Irissa: Luna: oh, that is a given :)
(04/01 20:45:23) GoMeLeonardo agrees
(04/01 20:45:39)  [crier] blutec: so no better moment to start along I guess
(04/01 20:45:55)  GoMe_Irissa: I've always been happy to get into something that has just started, and fill any needs that appear to be required.
(04/01 20:46:35)  GoMe_Irissa: My own personal mandate..having been involved with several start-up companies Topside
(04/01 20:46:36)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: a true GoMe there...
(04/01 20:46:49)  GoMe_Irissa: LOL
(04/01 20:46:55)  Luna(nne): so shall we go on to the next point, or am I the only one without patience?
(04/01 20:47:03)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: lol
(04/01 20:47:11)  GoMeLeonardo: yes ^^
(04/01 20:47:12)  GoMe_Irissa: I'm fine with that, Luna
(04/01 20:47:43)  GoMeLeonardo: The next point would be about our approach to the new MOULa
(04/01 20:48:00)  GoMeLeonardo: if anyone has suggestions to bring about things we could make better or thing that don't work
(04/01 20:48:10)  Luna(nne): rel.to
(04/01 20:48:13)  GoMeLeonardo: also relating to our website
(04/01 20:48:18)  Luna(nne): it is almost complelely unknown
(04/01 20:48:28)  GoMeLeonardo: yes....it needs more visibility
(04/01 20:48:44)  Luna(nne): it could be mentioned in a ki mail maybe
(04/01 20:48:52)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: too bad we can't put posters up in the city
(04/01 20:48:57)  GoMeLeonardo: How do you think it could be advertized?
(04/01 20:49:00)  GoMe_Irissa: Perhaps a list of GoMe related sites in the Ki Mails we pass out?
(04/01 20:49:24)  Luna(nne): yeah , I also use the banner and mention it sometimes
(04/01 20:49:28)  GoMe_Irissa: And all the guilds sites could add a link to ours
(04/01 20:49:40)  GoMeLeonardo: yes, althought we don't have other external sites that rel.to
(04/01 20:49:51)  [crier] blutec: rel.to can't be used as a tiny-url I think, but for links in KImail it would be great
(04/01 20:49:56)  Luna(nne): we could put it in the bevin and such
(04/01 20:50:06)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: and talk it up on guild weekends
(04/01 20:50:12)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(04/01 20:50:14)  GoMe_Irissa: oh yes
(04/01 20:50:17)  [crier] blutec: like disposable tinyurls I mean, it is of course working for approved sites
(04/01 20:50:36)  Luna(nne): maybe ask the gog or it could be mentioned on their images
(04/01 20:50:45)  Luna(nne): as it is also useful for newbies
(04/01 20:50:53)  GoMe_Irissa: Luna: good idea
(04/01 20:51:41)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll let the Liaisons know about this, maybe they can think of a good way of doing that with thir respective groups
(04/01 20:51:42)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: Blu: I'm not sure what you mean by tiny url
(04/01 20:52:03)  GoMeLeonardo: A way to abbrev. the URLs
(04/01 20:52:21)  GoMeLeonardo: like: www.guildofmessengers.com becomes rel.to/gome
(04/01 20:52:28)  [crier] blutec: To lgive a short to remember link to an event for example in KImail
(04/01 20:52:48)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: ohhhhh, gotcha thanks
(04/01 20:53:06)  GoMe_Irissa: Besides getting our sites out there, so to speak, is there not also an interest in additional content we can report on?
(04/01 20:53:08)  [crier] blutec: now rel.to has links to approved sites (good thing)
(04/01 20:54:00)  GoMeLeonardo: new we mainly report Events, news are little
(04/01 20:54:21)  Luna(nne): there will be more links , the list-to-add is still quite long
(04/01 20:54:21)  GoMeLeonardo: In which direction should we expand?
(04/01 20:54:29)  GoMe_Irissa: Are you all aware I am currently working on an GoMe's first sponsered Interview
(04/01 20:54:41)  GoMeLeonardo: right, interviews.
(04/01 20:54:48)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: I was just going to ask about that
(04/01 20:54:54)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: I like that idea
(04/01 20:55:08)  GoMeLeonardo: I'm only concerned with their visibility, with no more Newspaper
(04/01 20:55:13)  GoMe_Irissa: As a side note, I hope to have Jahmen's reply with "green light, move forward" soon. He's not feeling well.
(04/01 20:55:26)  GoMeLeonardo: Doh we lost lunanne
(04/01 20:55:26)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: who is Jahmen?
(04/01 20:55:52)  GoMe_Irissa: Ju'lee: the Marker Games creator :)
(04/01 20:55:59)  GoMeLeonardo: he organizes the Marker Games
(04/01 20:56:01)  [crier] blutec: Andros mentioned roleplaying messengers, I'm not good at that, I think, but could play along, could be a direction (one of)
(04/01 20:56:02)  GoMe_Irissa: er..Bevin creator, I should say.
(04/01 20:56:15)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: oh, thx
(04/01 20:56:42)  GoMe_Irissa: As for interviews, I had thought to try to "profile" users, Guilds etc in an interview format.
(04/01 20:56:44)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: can you explain roleplaying messengers?
(04/01 20:56:47)  GoMeLeonardo: I'm not good in that either. But yes an IC side of the GoMe can be nice
(04/01 20:57:01)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: what role would they be playing?
(04/01 20:57:08)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: (they....we..._
(04/01 20:57:47)  GoMeLeonardo: well, they'd develop some sort of IC storyline of the GoMe
(04/01 20:58:08)  [crier] blutec: it could be just be a little more IC, but again, I've no experience, other than play along someones else character
(04/01 20:58:26)  GoMeLeonardo: I can't imagine that very well, as I said I'm bad at role playing
(04/01 20:58:47)  GoMe_Irissa: with a script, I can role-play..but not ad-lib as IC
(04/01 20:58:52)  [crier] blutec: etelka is coming in :-)
(04/01 20:58:53)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: So we'd need a story to play against and we'd have to come up with one?
(04/01 20:59:06)  GoMeLeonardo: good
(04/01 20:59:36)  GoMe_Irissa: Shorah, Telka
(04/01 20:59:37)  crierTelka: S/wave
(04/01 20:59:39) GoMe_Irissa waves hello
(04/01 20:59:43)  GoMeLeonardo: yes I think Julee, but don't look at me for that XD
(04/01 20:59:48)  crierTelka: Sorry for being late
(04/01 20:59:53)  GoMeLeonardo: shorah e'telka!
(04/01 21:00:03)  [crier] blutec: Maybe it's good to check Andros (or was it Kalypso's) post in the forums on that (roleplay GoMe)
(04/01 21:00:06)  GoMeLeonardo: don't worry
(04/01 21:00:12) [crier] blutec waves hello
(04/01 21:00:12)  [crier] blutec: hi etelka
(04/01 21:00:14)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: lol....shorah Telka
(04/01 21:00:38)  GoMeLeonardo: lol blu....since Andros=Kalypso you're right either way
(04/01 21:00:39)  GoMe_Irissa: Might I also suggest reporting on happenings within the Cavern? Rands appearance, as an example.
(04/01 21:00:54)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: Yes, I agree with that Irissa
(04/01 21:01:01)  GoMeLeonardo: Agreed
(04/01 21:01:09)  crierTelka: Agreed
(04/01 21:01:11)  [crier] blutec: He'll try to get in every day, so news every day LOL
(04/01 21:01:15)  GoMeLeonardo: we're talking about how we could improve us services Telka :)
(04/01 21:01:27)  crierTelka: Good :)
(04/01 21:01:28)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL
(04/01 21:01:53)  [crier] blutec: maybe a twitter alarm on Rand service ;-)
(04/01 21:01:58)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(04/01 21:02:03)  GoMe_Irissa: If we had a thread, I'd prolly post every 3 days or so, with content ideas to report on
(04/01 21:02:15)  GoMe_Irissa: blue: YES YES
(04/01 21:03:07)  [crier] blutec: bots are our friends :-)
(04/01 21:03:14)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: but are we not the reporters too?
(04/01 21:03:17)  crierTelka: Ha ha, true
(04/01 21:03:25)  GoMeLeonardo: Irissa there's no limit to the news we report on, as long as they're related to Myst. We don't need to filter them up so you can just post them on the front page
(04/01 21:03:42) GoMe.Ju'lee D nods her head
(04/01 21:04:31)  GoMe_Irissa: I'd also like to see if we could someknow notify people in-cavern with a list of recent news we have posted on the site...WHEN there is more news being posted.
(04/01 21:04:54)  GoMe_Irissa: integrate it into one of our existing kiMails we pass out
(04/01 21:05:03)  [crier] blutec: to be truthful: we're depending more on others' input on news, instead of having the luxury of reporters, but very happy to have reporters in da house (yes!)
(04/01 21:05:09)  GoMeLeonardo: I there are many things that can be of interest for the community. SO the only filter needed to post on the Front page would be if you think the news would be something of interest for the whole community
(04/01 21:05:14)  crierTelka: A hot news mail
(04/01 21:05:22)  GoMe_Irissa: Telka: nice idea!
(04/01 21:06:32)  GoMe_Irissa: My issue is that a lot of the time, whatever is happen so engages me I forget that I should report it..I've just thought of a solution for that, hoever.
(04/01 21:06:41)  GoMeLeonardo: Right if we can get intern reporters we might also be able to bring the Newspaper out again
(04/01 21:07:17)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: Seems to me the more we increase our presence - the more visible we are - the more we can recruit
(04/01 21:07:45)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: the criers are vital, seems to me
(04/01 21:08:04)  GoMe_Irissa: Personally, I think just having a specific journal that reports could dump "sightings" into would be nice, and then we could periodcally compose those into a nice little front page post
(04/01 21:08:30)  GoMe_Irissa: er reporters, even
(04/01 21:08:39) GoMeLeonardo nods his head
(04/01 21:09:11)  GoMe_Irissa: Rand seen in GoG! Bahros seen in City at 11 pm Cavern time. etc.
(04/01 21:09:58)  [crier] blutec: we'll have to offer a twitter hashtag for those :-)
(04/01 21:10:15)  GoMe_Irissa: any player can be a reporter...perhaps we need to develop a new system to get those players to help us
(04/01 21:10:29)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: Sort of a "flash news" series of one-liners on the GoMe front page?
(04/01 21:10:29)  GoMe_Irissa: Welcome back, Lunanne
(04/01 21:10:33)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: wb
(04/01 21:10:35)  Luna(nne): sorry giys but my laptop freaked
(04/01 21:10:36)  GoMeLeonardo: wb Lunnanne
(04/01 21:10:40)  GoMe_Irissa: Ju'lee yep
(04/01 21:10:41)  Luna(nne): *guys
(04/01 21:10:42)  [crier] blutec: wb Luna'nne
(04/01 21:10:56)  crierTelka: Hi Luna'nne
(04/01 21:10:57)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: I like that idea too - sometimes one line is all the news is
(04/01 21:11:11)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: too short to create a "news story" but still news
(04/01 21:11:27)  GoMe_Irissa: for example, I have a group of buddies who I could send "report this sighting" request email
(04/01 21:11:39)  Luna(nne): that sounds interesting
(04/01 21:11:46)  GoMe_Irissa: They could then just forward back to me every few days.
(04/01 21:12:07)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: I know I used to use the UO site for that kind of news
(04/01 21:12:22)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: I'd just keep it up and check for news periodically
(04/01 21:12:26)  GoMe_Irissa: My point being that if we could develop a system (in cavern) to get the player base to help US, it would be very usefull
(04/01 21:12:52)  [crier] blutec: nice!
(04/01 21:12:55)  Luna(nne): yeah I have noticed that doesn't really happen now
(04/01 21:13:14)  GoMe_Irissa: its got to be IN cavern though
(04/01 21:13:20)  Luna(nne): but I hope the Guild interest weekend will help too
(04/01 21:13:33)  Luna(nne): maybe make one ki mail with oneliners
(04/01 21:13:50)  Luna(nne): that would give lots of information with taking a lot of space
(04/01 21:13:58)  [crier] blutec: everyone a crier :-)
(04/01 21:14:02)  GoMe_Irissa: I shall post on our forums a few suggestions about getting that sort of content from the player base.
(04/01 21:14:07)  Luna(nne): * without of course
(04/01 21:14:51)  GoMe_Irissa: blutec: i meant everyone a reporter...WE post the news, we dont see it. Hehe.
(04/01 21:15:19)  Luna(nne): maybe we could use guild shirts for it, if someone has news he/she can tellsomeone in a messenger shirt
(04/01 21:15:42)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: certainly!
(04/01 21:15:45) GoMeLeonardo nods his head
(04/01 21:16:18)  GoMe_Irissa: I spend 90% of my time in my Primary avatar, not this one. but ALL my buddies know I am a member of GoME
(04/01 21:16:49)  GoMe_Irissa: I'd trust them to send my other avater whatever.
(04/01 21:16:50)  Luna(nne): but to be crier you don't have to be a lot of time in the cavern right
(04/01 21:16:54)  GoMeLeonardo: We could also try to involve more the non english speaking communities
(04/01 21:17:00)  Luna(nne): especially not when we have more people
(04/01 21:17:17)  GoMeLeonardo: right luna
(04/01 21:17:35)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: Yes Leo!
(04/01 21:17:42)  GoMe_Irissa: I just meant that if we depended on getting reports from the player base ONLY if they saw a yellow shirt, we might not get as many reports.
(04/01 21:17:43)  Luna(nne): if we make that clearer to the other messengers maybe more people will become one
(04/01 21:18:10)  GoMeLeonardo: I know there is an grteat active community of french speaking ppl and Sirlazurus is a link with the Portuguese. The Italian Communty is also active
(04/01 21:18:27)  Luna(nne): I don't know about that leo. soe non 0 english communities aren't very big or active
(04/01 21:18:33)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: Germany too I think
(04/01 21:18:34)  GoMe_Irissa: I don't even speak english well, let alone another language, heh.
(04/01 21:18:36)  Luna(nne): * some
(04/01 21:18:49)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(04/01 21:18:54)  GoMe_Irissa: Ju'lee: your right about germany
(04/01 21:18:55)  GoMeLeonardo: yes Germans too
(04/01 21:19:23)  [crier] blutec: with 3 dutch speaking ppl in the room i rest my case
(04/01 21:19:29)  GoMe_Irissa: heh
(04/01 21:19:30)  crierTelka: Lol
(04/01 21:19:44)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: I wonder if the liaisons we have to the non-english speaking folk make it a point to visit their bevins sometimes?
(04/01 21:19:46)  Luna(nne): in the dutch community there are 2 groups who don't really communicate with each other
(04/01 21:19:47)  GoMeLeonardo: the next update of the website should help us handle this side a bit more, with the internationalization module
(04/01 21:20:00)  GoMe_Irissa: Leo: very nice to hear
(04/01 21:20:15)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: what is the internationalization module - what will it do?
(04/01 21:20:22)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah seunghi
(04/01 21:20:25)  Luna(nne): since they are both smal they are not very active in organizaing things outside their own community
(04/01 21:20:32)  GoMe_Irissa: Shorah, Seunghi
(04/01 21:20:34)  crierTelka: Shorah seunghi
(04/01 21:20:37)  seunghi: Hello
(04/01 21:20:39)  Luna(nne): shorah
(04/01 21:20:40)  [crier] blutec: shorah seunghi
(04/01 21:21:08)  GoMeLeonardo: the internationalization module will increase the website capabilities of making translations of the full interface and making better translations
(04/01 21:21:49)  Luna(nne): i hope translating will also become easier
(04/01 21:21:54)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: fantastic!
(04/01 21:22:18)  GoMeLeonardo: it will also be useful to create better pages. Lke right now I can't set it up for diplaying the front page with the translated text...it always shows in english an you have to click on the flag to see the translation
(04/01 21:22:38)  GoMeLeonardo: yes translation should become a little better
(04/01 21:23:25)  GoMeLeonardo: do youhave any other suggestion about how to organize the website?
(04/01 21:23:59)  GoMeLeonardo: Seunghi are you interested in the Guild of Messengers?
(04/01 21:24:13)  GoMeLeonardo: :)
(04/01 21:24:13)  Luna(nne): working links for one
(04/01 21:24:28)  GoMeLeonardo: working links?
(04/01 21:24:30)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: lots of updating of information, like guild organizaton
(04/01 21:24:31)  seunghi: I could be.  this is actually my first time so i don't even know what that is, lol
(04/01 21:24:31)  GoMe_Irissa: I really dont, at this time.but then, as an english speaking player, I like the site as it is.
(04/01 21:24:32)  Luna(nne): I have often that links to another part of the website don;t work
(04/01 21:24:48)  GoMeLeonardo: lol, so welcome to the Messengers Pub :)
(04/01 21:24:55)  seunghi: Thx :)
(04/01 21:25:14)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: Yes, and welcome to our meeting too seunghi :-)
(04/01 21:25:32)  seunghi: Thx for the warm reception :)
(04/01 21:25:35)  GoMeLeonardo: that happens with old documents...I think many of the things in the Guild Books are outdated.
(04/01 21:25:54)  Luna(nne): yeah but also to another , active thread
(04/01 21:25:58)  GoMe_Irissa: Oh yes, thats true
(04/01 21:26:20)  GoMeLeonardo: the site Admins were responisible for that...but then they disappeared XD
(04/01 21:26:23)  Luna(nne): I think almost all the links don't work
(04/01 21:26:35)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: Yes Leo, I find that disconcerting --though I understand why that is
(04/01 21:26:39)  GoMeLeonardo: Lunanne are you displaying the website in dutch?
(04/01 21:26:45)  Luna(nne): yeah
(04/01 21:27:03)  Luna(nne): so I can see what is translated and what not
(04/01 21:27:12)  GoMeLeonardo: that's anotehr problem....I hope it will get solved soon. Language breaks URLSs
(04/01 21:27:20)  Luna(nne): oh okay
(04/01 21:27:25)  GoMe_Irissa: Perhaps a thread wher we could dump a list of outdated material, and people could attack said areas as they can?
(04/01 21:27:34)  GoMeLeonardo: if you find broken urls try to diplay the website in english
(04/01 21:27:48)  GoMeLeonardo: That would be nice Irissa
(04/01 21:27:56)  GoMe_Irissa: I've added to my list
(04/01 21:28:04)  Luna(nne): yeah I'll do that for now. thei half dutch/english thing is irritating anyway
(04/01 21:28:09)  Luna(nne): * the
(04/01 21:28:11)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(04/01 21:28:32)  GoMeLeonardo: hopefully the internationalization will allow to translate the whole interface and not just parts
(04/01 21:29:31)  GoMe_Irissa: Leo: that would be very awesome
(04/01 21:29:36)  GoMeLeonardo: I think the dutch language interface is just as it was at installation time, some things can be translated right now too
(04/01 21:29:59)  Luna(nne): well there hasn't been a lot translated in dutch yet either :(
(04/01 21:30:07)  GoMeLeonardo: :(
(04/01 21:30:16)  Luna(nne): yeash I'm working on it but it is hard ecpecially since I'm missing context often
(04/01 21:30:24)  GoMeLeonardo: I see
(04/01 21:30:34)  Luna(nne): and time
(04/01 21:30:41)  GoMeLeonardo: post on the forum if you have any questions
(04/01 21:30:53)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: time is my worst enemy
(04/01 21:31:01)  GoMe_Irissa: I think it is for all of us, heh.
(04/01 21:31:06)  GoMeLeonardo: yeah, having just one translator puts a load on you
(04/01 21:31:12)  Luna(nne): I'll try to make a lists of the things I notice and ask one of these days
(04/01 21:31:22) GoMeLeonardo says okay
(04/01 21:31:52)  Luna(nne): blutec if you ever feel like you have some extra time .....
(04/01 21:32:33)  [crier] blutec: for short messages I don't mind to translate, but not whole pages, sorry
(04/01 21:32:46)  Luna(nne): it are very short pieces really
(04/01 21:32:51)  Luna(nne): everything is broken up
(04/01 21:33:03)  GoMeLeonardo: I can give you access to the translation interface
(04/01 21:33:54)  GoMeLeonardo: done :P
(04/01 21:35:02)  GoMeLeonardo: Anything else you may want to discuss?
(04/01 21:35:46)  GoMeLeonardo: I think we have reached the end of our list ^^
(04/01 21:35:59)  GoMe.Ju'lee D: good meeting!  and nice to see everyone
(04/01 21:36:06)  GoMeLeonardo: yes yes
(04/01 21:36:12)  GoMeLeonardo: I's been a while since we had one
(04/01 21:36:13) [crier] blutec salutes
(04/01 21:36:16)  Luna(nne): indeed :)
(04/01 21:36:28)  GoMe_Irissa: It was indeed a pleasure to see the faces of more GoMe members!
(04/01 21:36:29)  GoMeLeonardo: thank you everyone for your input
(04/01 21:36:40)  [crier] blutec: TY GM Leo for hosting the meeting, TY all for the meeting & fun :-)
(04/01 21:36:47)  GoMeLeonardo: ^^
(04/01 21:36:50)  GoMe_Irissa: Leo: well done!
(04/01 21:36:51) crierTelka thanks you
(04/01 21:36:57) GoMeLeonardo thanks you
(04/01 21:37:11)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll post the chatlog on the website ASAP
(04/01 21:37:25)  GoMe_Irissa: Can't wait to see it :) In full, since I missed some of it, heh.
(04/01 21:37:35)  GoMeLeonardo: cleared a bit I can XD
(04/01 21:37:42)  GoMeLeonardo: *if I can
(04/01 21:37:47)  [crier] blutec: oh my what have I said in your absence... lol
(04/01 21:37:55)  crierTelka: Lol
(04/01 21:37:56) GoMe.Ju'lee D smiles
(04/01 21:37:56) GoMeLeonardo says DOH!
(04/01 21:38:16)  GoMeLeonardo: so...my dinner is waiting for me XD
(04/01 21:38:18)  [crier] blutec: well, have a good night/day all
(04/01 21:38:23) [crier] blutec waves goodbye
(04/01 21:38:25)  GoMeLeonardo: it has been a pleasure to see you all!!
(04/01 21:38:28)  Luna(nne): have a good day
(04/01 21:38:30) GoMe.Ju'lee D waves goodbye
(04/01 21:38:31)  GoMeLeonardo: cya soon!
(04/01 21:38:33)  GoMe_Irissa: I'm off to write and write and write some more in the forums!
(04/01 21:38:34)  From Simos in Simos' Relto: shorah
(04/01 21:38:34)  crierTelka: See you, have fun!
(04/01 21:38:37)  GoMeLeonardo: have good day!
(04/01 21:38:41) crierTelka waves goodbye
(04/01 21:38:42) ...Chat.log stopped.

2010, December 12th Chatlog: GoMe Meeting

Original thread can be found here: http://www.guildofmessengers.com/en/forum/topic/guild-meeting

(12/11 20:18:10) Chat.log started...
(12/11 20:18:14)  GoMeLeonardo: starting log
(12/11 20:18:37)  Szark: yule log??
(12/11 20:18:38)  GoMeLeonardo: ok then let's start, and hope marten and theremin arrive soon ^^
(12/11 20:18:55)  Pokemon71096: I also started log
(12/11 20:19:27)  GoMeLeonardo: The first subject for today was the Elections of the GUild of Messengers
(12/11 20:19:33)  GoMeLeonardo: for the new Guild masters
(12/11 20:19:46)  Luna(nne): do you mean council?
(12/11 20:19:56)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(12/11 20:20:02)  Pokemon71096: tHE COUNCIL WILL HEAR YOU TI'ANA
(12/11 20:20:11)  GoMeLeonardo: pokemon....
(12/11 20:20:13) Luna(nne) thought those weren't called guild masters
(12/11 20:20:16)  Rick DB: Easy there Pokemon.
(12/11 20:20:18)  AgeExplorer: yes please stop
(12/11 20:20:29)  GoMeLeonardo: oh whatever they are called Luna XD
(12/11 20:20:42)  Pokemon71096: Sorry
(12/11 20:20:50)  Szark: lol
(12/11 20:20:56)  Luna(nne): the last electios where in...?
(12/11 20:21:06)  GoMeLeonardo: I don't remember exactly who brought up the subject in the forums but probably it's time to do some electins
(12/11 20:21:14)  Luna(nne): I did :P
(12/11 20:21:15)  Pokemon71096: lol
(12/11 20:21:20)  GoMeLeonardo: mmh....very near to MOULa launch
(12/11 20:21:27)  Luna(nne): since we talked abotu it earlier in spring
(12/11 20:21:47)  GoMeLeonardo: when me and theremin were elected, we decided we'd do new elections soon
(12/11 20:21:49)  Luna(nne): but then we thought it too early, since none of the new members would feel comfortable to uhm
(12/11 20:21:56)  GoMeLeonardo: exactly
(12/11 20:21:58)  Luna(nne): stand up for it?
(12/11 20:22:35)  Pokemon71096: So are you saying you want different masters?
(12/11 20:22:45)  GoMeLeonardo: now...probably the new comers have had come time to get accustomed to the atmosphere in the Guild
(12/11 20:22:52)  GoMeLeonardo: yes pokemon
(12/11 20:22:59)  Luna(nne): but since MOULa is now almost a year there I thought the discussion could start really
(12/11 20:23:01)  GoMeLeonardo: so it's a good time for elections
(12/11 20:23:16)  AgeExplorer: Democracy Pokemon
(12/11 20:23:24)  Rick DB: Gotta love it.
(12/11 20:23:25)  Pokemon71096: Power t the people age
(12/11 20:23:31)  Luna(nne): but maybe there should be some kind of census(?) first
(12/11 20:23:36)  GoMeLeonardo: We discussed the Guild structure in May so that should be ok
(12/11 20:23:37) Thumbs up from Allan White
(12/11 20:23:51)  Pokemon71096: What about us who joined after may?
(12/11 20:23:52)  Szark: I totaly forgot Tuesday, it bummed me out missing it
(12/11 20:24:04)  Szark: orry tha was meant for Musica
(12/11 20:24:10)  Luna(nne): well everyone will get to vote
(12/11 20:24:15)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(12/11 20:24:29)  morning satelite: i dont feel qualified
(12/11 20:24:33)  GoMeLeonardo: you can propose a different structure, if you see a need for it pokemon.
(12/11 20:24:41)  Luna(nne): but do we have any idea who are active currently?
(12/11 20:24:48)  morning satelite: to vote even
(12/11 20:25:06)  Allan White: I kind of watched the activity of our members.
(12/11 20:25:16)  GoMeLeonardo: nice allan ^^
(12/11 20:25:27)  GoMeLeonardo: the only thing we can't be sure of are the Criers
(12/11 20:25:42)  Allan White: And I'm afraid there is only a small core who shows activity regularly.
(12/11 20:25:50)  GoMeLeonardo: mmh yes
(12/11 20:26:08)  Luna(nne): I try to remember crier duty, but it is easy to slip up
(12/11 20:26:13)  GoMeLeonardo: eheh yeah
(12/11 20:26:19) Rick DB shrugs
(12/11 20:26:27)  Luna(nne): there are exams too these weeks though
(12/11 20:26:28)  Allan White: Well, we all see who writes on the forums and who shows up in the Cavern to Cry.
(12/11 20:26:28)  Szark: My honest opinion is that wwe should wait until this place ges moving again. I just don't see the point. Unless you feel you don't want the position you have anymore
(12/11 20:26:43)  GoMeLeonardo: the first thing to find out is, do we want an election? last time I proposed it nobody wanted to change
(12/11 20:26:56)  Allan White: @Szark: Hear hear
(12/11 20:26:57)  Rick DB: I see no need for it, IMO.
(12/11 20:27:02) Rick DB grins
(12/11 20:27:05)  Allan White: Neither do I.
(12/11 20:27:07)  Pokemon71096: I think we should have an lection, even if it ends up the same.
(12/11 20:27:08)  AgeExplorer: I think right now things are readjusting
(12/11 20:27:11)  Musica2: Should we try to make it through the first years before elections?
(12/11 20:27:17)  AgeExplorer: There is no need
(12/11 20:27:18)  Luna(nne): I see no need, but Leonardo and Theremin didn't sign up for a year or longer
(12/11 20:27:20)  Musica2: sorry. year
(12/11 20:27:47)  GoMeLeonardo: yeah, what lune said. The agreement was to stay up for some months
(12/11 20:27:48)  Luna(nne): and I think inactivity is no reason to stay inactive
(12/11 20:27:50)  Allan White: I'd prefer if everybody stays in their place. If they don't object.
(12/11 20:27:57)  Musica2: oh
(12/11 20:28:11)  Pokemon71096: Lol inactivity does not meen inactivity
(12/11 20:28:15)  Luna(nne): since then it isn't like to become /ever/ active
(12/11 20:28:23)  AgeExplorer: Unfortunately SL URU community often sees alot more activity then here these days
(12/11 20:28:32)  Rick DB: yes.
(12/11 20:28:35)  Allan White: Very true, Age.
(12/11 20:28:39)  GoMeLeonardo: and as much as I like new thing, GoMe's tradition was to change Chairs every 6 months
(12/11 20:29:09)  Pokemon71096: Shhould we have a Grand Master?
(12/11 20:29:23)  Luna(nne): no that is not necessary i think
(12/11 20:29:24)  Allan White: I propose a vote on the neccessarity of re-elections. Simple majority.
(12/11 20:29:36)  GoMeLeonardo: our discussions brought to the point of not having a "grand master" but a couple of "Guild Masters"
(12/11 20:29:39)  Pokemon71096: I agree
(12/11 20:29:42)  Pokemon71096: Ok
(12/11 20:29:56)  Szark: But we aren't doing mu/sit
(12/11 20:30:13)  morning satelite: as i see it it would clarify everyones position
(12/11 20:30:40)  morning satelite: if they restated their committmtnet and people backed them
(12/11 20:30:53)  GoMeLeonardo: yes Szark it's true. But we had agreed to change guld masters after a while. Also because we weren't exactly regularly elected
(12/11 20:30:57)  Szark: Sorry Typing problem today, worse than normal
(12/11 20:31:01)  morning satelite: the vehicle for this could be an election
(12/11 20:31:10)  Szark: Yeah Ok Leo
(12/11 20:31:11)  GoMeLeonardo: that's a nice idea morning!
(12/11 20:31:18)  Pokemon71096: LEo, do you want a new master?
(12/11 20:31:20)  Luna(nne): what we had concluded was that people would need to be submitted by others
(12/11 20:31:30)  Luna(nne): uhm suggested
(12/11 20:31:35)  Luna(nne): that is the word :P
(12/11 20:31:40)  morning satelite: do you mean proposed?
(12/11 20:31:45)  Rick DB: So they can't throw their own hat into the ring, so to speak?
(12/11 20:31:48)  Luna(nne): yeah whatever
(12/11 20:31:53)  Szark: lol
(12/11 20:31:55)  morning satelite: they have to agree to it
(12/11 20:32:01)  GoMeLeonardo: Pokemon, I can say I'm happy to be a Chair for the Guild, but I'd have nothing to say if someone else was
(12/11 20:32:11)  Allan White: We have pretty much worked out an election mechanism, which I really like. The question is whether we actually need to use it at all.
(12/11 20:32:21)  AgeExplorer: Well the first question should be is anyone else willing to fill new chairs
(12/11 20:32:33)  Rick DB: Good question.
(12/11 20:32:34)  Luna(nne): sorry not really thinking in english currently
(12/11 20:32:41)  GoMeLeonardo: lol Luna
(12/11 20:32:43)  Rick DB: Neither am I.  Hehehe.
(12/11 20:32:46)  Rick DB: jfiehoihghlkg
(12/11 20:32:48)  Pokemon71096: How much commitment would tis even require?
(12/11 20:32:50)  Allan White: Dunglish, Luna? XD
(12/11 20:32:54)  AgeExplorer: hehe
(12/11 20:33:11)  GoMeLeonardo: and so say the truth I'd like two active GMs...not a Gm and a Newspaper Editor XD
(12/11 20:33:11)  morning satelite: what are these chairs?
(12/11 20:33:21)  Rick DB: :P
(12/11 20:33:22)  Luna(nne): I would
(12/11 20:33:26)  AgeExplorer: hehehehe
(12/11 20:33:27)  Szark: Yeah I think peps should say they are interested and then we could vote for them instead of giving it to someone who (like me) doesn't want the job
(12/11 20:33:28)  morning satelite: and what is the time committment
(12/11 20:33:34)  GoMeLeonardo: "Chairs" was the word we used instead of Guild Masters
(12/11 20:33:34)  Allan White: If there's a vacancy, I'd volunteer.
(12/11 20:33:35)  Luna(nne): I would be interested, I mean
(12/11 20:33:45)  Luna(nne): if any of you wants me
(12/11 20:33:46)  Musica2: I like Leo's idea. I thought Marten is a GM though
(12/11 20:33:48)  Luna(nne): that is
(12/11 20:33:59)  Pokemon71096: i would, it dpends on the time commitment tho.
(12/11 20:34:02)  Allan White: Marten isn't, I'm afraid.
(12/11 20:34:13)  GoMeLeonardo: Marten was a GM, he was before me and before lynnutte
(12/11 20:34:20)  Pokemon71096: is marten willing? id vot for hime
(12/11 20:34:27)  Szark: Marten could be on his way
(12/11 20:34:29)  Musica2: Thanks for the info
(12/11 20:34:32)  Luna(nne): Don't think so
(12/11 20:34:37)  Szark: He is down here
(12/11 20:34:37)  GoMeLeonardo: I don't think we would lke to be the GM again XD
(12/11 20:34:43)  Allan White: He hasn't had much time recently, I think.
(12/11 20:34:44)  Luna(nne): so far I know Marten has been rather busy
(12/11 20:34:46)  Pokemon71096: ah ok
(12/11 20:34:48)  GoMeLeonardo: he's coming I hope. I see him on the list
(12/11 20:34:55)  GoMeLeonardo: and here he is
(12/11 20:34:57)  Rick DB: There he is.
(12/11 20:35:00)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah Marten
(12/11 20:35:00)  Szark: Shorah Marten
(12/11 20:35:01)  Allan White: Hi there.
(12/11 20:35:04)  Luna(nne): speaking of the devil....
(12/11 20:35:04) Rick DB waves hello
(12/11 20:35:06) morning satelite claps her hands
(12/11 20:35:07)  Luna(nne): hi
(12/11 20:35:07)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(12/11 20:35:07)  AgeExplorer: Shorah Marten
(12/11 20:35:10)  Pokemon71096: ug
(12/11 20:35:15)  Musica2: Hi Marten. Were your ears ringing?
(12/11 20:35:18)  GoMeLeonardo: we are discussing the elections
(12/11 20:35:22)  GoMe Marten: Heya.
(12/11 20:35:28)  Luna(nne): we are lal voting for you
(12/11 20:35:28)  Pokemon71096: dang it, i put him on ignore instead of buddies
(12/11 20:35:28)  GoMe Marten: Yeah, a bit.
(12/11 20:35:35)  Luna(nne): no choice for you I'm afraid
(12/11 20:35:39)  GoMeLeonardo: lol
(12/11 20:35:59)  GoMe Marten: I can't take any positions
(12/11 20:36:01)  Allan White: Okay, you've been elected. Congratulations :P
(12/11 20:36:04)  Luna(nne): ;)
(12/11 20:36:06) Rick DB laughs
(12/11 20:36:06)  Musica2: lol
(12/11 20:36:12) AgeExplorer says DOH!
(12/11 20:36:17)  GoMeLeonardo: The election process includes a double nomination. At least one from someone else and one for acceptance
(12/11 20:36:18) Szark starts to laugh
(12/11 20:36:19)  Allan White: Okay, what's the next point? XD
(12/11 20:36:20)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah stone
(12/11 20:36:24)  Stone: hello
(12/11 20:36:26)  Pokemon71096: Wait, hes on neither.
(12/11 20:36:36)  Pokemon71096: oh.
(12/11 20:36:41)  Szark: Hiya Stone
(12/11 20:36:42)  AgeExplorer: Pokemon that is off topic
(12/11 20:36:43)  GoMeLeonardo: there is another point I'd like to unline
(12/11 20:36:50)  Pokemon71096: ims orry
(12/11 20:37:02) Luna(nne) gets an eraser so she can unline
(12/11 20:37:10)  GoMeLeonardo: we have Affliates. We didn't think of them last time, that's a part of the reason we weren't regularly elected
(12/11 20:37:32)  morning satelite: what are affiliates
(12/11 20:37:36)  Luna(nne): do they get a say too?
(12/11 20:37:47)  GoMeLeonardo: I would like to contact them and see what they think of the Affiliation.
(12/11 20:37:50)  Szark: but lets face the truth the Affiliates don't care
(12/11 20:37:53)  Luna(nne): the TCT barely communicates with us so far I see
(12/11 20:37:56)  Pokemon71096: lol
(12/11 20:38:07)  Allan White: Szark is right, I'm afraid.
(12/11 20:38:24)  AgeExplorer: XD
(12/11 20:38:25)  Rick DB: I'd say let them know what's up.  If they don't have an opinion either way, then so be it.
(12/11 20:38:38)  Luna(nne): they are so independent we can hardly call them affiliates
(12/11 20:38:41)  Rick DB: At least you can say you tried. :)
(12/11 20:38:43)  GoMeLeonardo: That's the point. I'd like to work closer with them. And to me we should approach them and see if they want to work more closely or cut the Affiliation thing...since it doesn't mean anything
(12/11 20:38:46)  Szark: I really wish they did, then we could have a dynamicGuild
(12/11 20:39:04)  Rick DB: Strength in numbers.
(12/11 20:39:11)  Musica2: Yes
(12/11 20:39:17)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(12/11 20:39:23)  Luna(nne): things like the newspaper and the podcasts and interviews and all could be linked mroe maybe
(12/11 20:39:26)  Rick DB: It does seem a bit fractured at the moment.
(12/11 20:39:35)  Szark: I treid and treid to engage the TCT but no matter what I treid they just weren't interested Leo
(12/11 20:39:51)  Luna(nne): like something is mentioned in the podcast and there is an article about it in the magazine
(12/11 20:39:53)  GoMeLeonardo: if they don't care anymore I don't see the reason of listing them as Affiliates
(12/11 20:39:59)  Rick DB: True that.
(12/11 20:40:01)  AgeExplorer: I agree
(12/11 20:40:05)  Luna(nne): yeah
(12/11 20:40:08) Szark nods his head
(12/11 20:40:11)  GoMeLeonardo: yes that would be really good, Luna
(12/11 20:40:15)  Luna(nne): and maybe we should remove the inactive affiliates too
(12/11 20:40:21)  AgeExplorer: If they are listed as affiliates they have to be open to cooperation
(12/11 20:40:23)  Allan White: But that applies pretty much to all of our affiliates.
(12/11 20:40:26)  GoMeLeonardo: after contacting them
(12/11 20:40:30) Pokemon71096 agrees
(12/11 20:40:32)  Rick DB: Or at least participation.
(12/11 20:40:37)  Allan White: I removed two of them lately, I think.
(12/11 20:40:44)  Pokemon71096: who?
(12/11 20:40:44)  GoMeLeonardo: XD yes you did...
(12/11 20:40:49)  Musica2: How many are there?
(12/11 20:40:51)  Allan White: The Relayers and who-was-it.
(12/11 20:40:55)  GoMe Marten: Uru Radio.
(12/11 20:40:56)  Allan White: Four remaining.
(12/11 20:40:58)  GoMeLeonardo: Uru Radio, which doesn't exist anymore, and Relayers I think
(12/11 20:40:59)  Allan White: I think.
(12/11 20:41:21)  GoMeLeonardo: that's ok because they don't exist anymore
(12/11 20:41:38)  GoMe Marten: Dissolved into those who joined us and those who, uh, didn't.
(12/11 20:41:47) Rick DB shrugs
(12/11 20:41:49)  AgeExplorer: I like that idea
(12/11 20:41:49)  GoMeLeonardo: the affiliates thing matters, becuase they had the right to vote in the GoMe elections
(12/11 20:42:11)  morning satelite: then it needs sorting out
(12/11 20:42:23)  Rick DB: Then again, if they don't want to associate or deal with the Guild...
(12/11 20:42:27)  GoMeLeonardo: we had that right, because the initial idea for the GoMe was for it to be more of an umbrella
(12/11 20:42:29)  morning satelite: do you have a constitution?
(12/11 20:42:32)  Musica2: Ask them whether they want to continue as affiliates and go from there
(12/11 20:42:38) Rick DB nods
(12/11 20:42:43)  Pokemon71096: in my opinion, we should feel the community pulse by getting the opinions of the other guils' masters
(12/11 20:42:48)  Rick DB: Renew their contracts, so to speak. :)
(12/11 20:42:49)  GoMeLeonardo: yes, that's what I lan to do musica
(12/11 20:42:53) Luna(nne) agrees
(12/11 20:42:55)  Allan White: Okay, judging from what Szark said, TGT has no interest in collaboration anymore.
(12/11 20:43:01)  Pokemon71096: TGT?
(12/11 20:43:04)  Pokemon71096: TCT?
(12/11 20:43:06)  Luna(nne): the other guilds have nothung to do with us
(12/11 20:43:10)  Luna(nne): *nothing
(12/11 20:43:14)  Musica2: TCT
(12/11 20:43:15)  Allan White: Umm, TCT.
(12/11 20:43:22)  Pokemon71096: they dont get a vote they just epress the opinion
(12/11 20:43:26)  Luna(nne): and I don't think they would appreciate it if we asked their opinion on this
(12/11 20:43:30)  GoMeLeonardo: so it seems allan, but maybe we can work closer with the Newspaper?
(12/11 20:43:34)  Rick DB: TCT needs some TLC, IMO.  LOL.
(12/11 20:43:44) Allan White starts to laugh
(12/11 20:43:45)  Pokemon71096: TCTTLCIMOLOL
(12/11 20:43:46)  Rick DB: Ahem, sorry. :)
(12/11 20:43:53)  morning satelite: i wish you would explain your ///?????
(12/11 20:44:29)  Pokemon71096: ?
(12/11 20:44:35) morning satelite should have come as doofus
(12/11 20:44:42)  GoMeLeonardo: so...are you all ok if I try to contact them?
(12/11 20:44:46)  morning satelite: who are TCT
(12/11 20:44:51)  Luna(nne): TLC?
(12/11 20:44:51)  Allan White: I am.
(12/11 20:44:52)  Pokemon71096: that is really the name mornin?
(12/11 20:44:53)  AgeExplorer: The Cavern Today
(12/11 20:44:53)  GoMeLeonardo: The CavernToday
(12/11 20:44:57)  Rick DB: You bet.  See what their stance is and go from there.
(12/11 20:45:02)  morning satelite: k
(12/11 20:45:04)  morning satelite: thx
(12/11 20:45:07)  Szark: oh yeah Leo. There is no harm in trying
(12/11 20:45:13)  Pokemon71096: i guess...
(12/11 20:45:13)  Allan White: Kind of a newspaper, morning.
(12/11 20:45:20)  morning satelite: yes
(12/11 20:45:23)  Luna(nne): TLC is...?
(12/11 20:45:31)  Pokemon71096: tender loving care
(12/11 20:45:36)  Pokemon71096: its an expression
(12/11 20:45:42)  Luna(nne): I know
(12/11 20:45:48)  Pokemon71096: oo ops sorry
(12/11 20:45:50)  GoMeLeonardo: I would approach them with somethine like: if you want to work closer with us we remain Affiliates, otherwise there is no meaning in that and you're out
(12/11 20:45:50)  Luna(nne): but I don't know all english acronyms
(12/11 20:45:53)  Pokemon71096: :)
(12/11 20:46:02)  Allan White: Thanks, Poke. Could we proceed?
(12/11 20:46:10)  Luna(nne): well maybe leve the last bit out
(12/11 20:46:13) Pokemon71096 gets his dunce cap..
(12/11 20:46:14)  Rick DB: Sounds like a plan, Leo.
(12/11 20:46:22)  Luna(nne): and just ask whether they want to remain affiliate
(12/11 20:46:36)  Szark: waht about CCN?
(12/11 20:46:37)  morning satelite: politely
(12/11 20:46:39)  GoMeLeonardo: eheh, I would express that in another way Luna....but what is the point of keeping them if it has no meaning
(12/11 20:46:41)  Luna(nne): same thing
(12/11 20:46:42)  Allan White: Yeah. Try to stay polite ^^
(12/11 20:46:43)  AgeExplorer: Someone could be a liason of sorts if they wish to remain affiliates
(12/11 20:46:48)  Rick DB: Exactly.
(12/11 20:46:50)  Szark: Caver Communications Network
(12/11 20:46:57)  Luna(nne): *cavern
(12/11 20:47:00)  Szark: "Cavern"
(12/11 20:47:01)  morning satelite: thankyou Szark
(12/11 20:47:08)  GoMe Marten: Just asking if they want to remain affiliates... I'm not sure that will do anything.  They can say "Yes" and then they're still affiliates and nothing changes.
(12/11 20:47:09)  Musica2: leave the door open
(12/11 20:47:11)  GoMeLeonardo: yes CCN too
(12/11 20:47:28)  GoMeLeonardo: oh sure! A liaison would be perfect
(12/11 20:47:28)  Pokemon71096: i think we should give them jobs as affiliates
(12/11 20:47:31)  morning satelite: doors need opening not shutting
(12/11 20:47:40)  Allan White: Perhaps you should explain them what "affiliate" means. ^^
(12/11 20:47:48)  Szark: indeed Morning
(12/11 20:47:50)  morning satelite: i did ask
(12/11 20:47:57)  Allan White: A liaison? Good thought.
(12/11 20:48:00)  GoMeLeonardo: eheh, I think they don't even remmebers they are affiliates
(12/11 20:48:02)  Rick DB: Would make sense.  A rep from each affiliate to participate and have a say.  Get them more involved.
(12/11 20:48:10)  Pokemon71096: yeah.
(12/11 20:48:12)  Rick DB: Come to these meetings at the least. :)
(12/11 20:48:17)  Pokemon71096: lol
(12/11 20:48:18)  AgeExplorer: They would be charged with keeping in touch and coordinating work with affiliates
(12/11 20:48:19)  morning satelite: communication
(12/11 20:48:21)  Szark: I woulduse the approach of hpw can we comunicate better and work closer together
(12/11 20:48:32)  GoMe Marten: What Szark said.
(12/11 20:48:36)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(12/11 20:48:38)  morning satelite: "
(12/11 20:48:43)  Szark: but spelt right
(12/11 20:48:47)  Musica2: Good idea Szark
(12/11 20:48:51)  GoMeLeonardo: very good, it seems we have a plan for this ^^
(12/11 20:48:59) Rick DB grins
(12/11 20:49:00)  AgeExplorer: :)
(12/11 20:49:21)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll contact them....on the forums probably since I have no idea who's their leader, if even they have a leader
(12/11 20:49:50)  AgeExplorer: Wouldn't they have contact information on websites
(12/11 20:49:53)  Pokemon71096: we'll name them "Affiliat head # <number>"
(12/11 20:50:09)  GoMeLeonardo: yes they should have...I'll check Allan
(12/11 20:50:10)  Rick DB: Or use their name. :)
(12/11 20:50:16)  GoMeLeonardo: ops....Age not allan XD
(12/11 20:50:17)  Luna(nne): we should approach them friendly
(12/11 20:50:22)  AgeExplorer: eeeeeek
(12/11 20:50:32)  GoMeLeonardo: sure Luna
(12/11 20:50:43)  Allan White: Yes. Try the peaceful way first.
(12/11 20:50:52)  Szark: yeah Luna indeed. Hence why I shouldn't do it. LOL
(12/11 20:50:53)  Allan White: You can beat them later.
(12/11 20:50:56)  morning satelite: always allan
(12/11 20:51:09)  GoMeLeonardo: back to the elections. Marten we were investigating wether you'd be interested in being elected again. I think no
(12/11 20:51:15)  Luna(nne): we can always roll up our magazine and start to smack them later
(12/11 20:51:22) Szark starts to laugh
(12/11 20:51:24) Thumbs up from Allan White
(12/11 20:51:25)  AgeExplorer: HAHAHA
(12/11 20:51:25)  Rick DB: I volunteer for that!
(12/11 20:51:28)  Rick DB: :D
(12/11 20:51:35)  Musica2: So much for a peaceful URU
(12/11 20:51:44)  Pokemon71096: i think i have to leave...
(12/11 20:51:44)  GoMe Marten: Leo: Your thoughts are correct
(12/11 20:51:46)  AgeExplorer: you volunteer to smack or get smacked there Rick
(12/11 20:51:48)  GoMeLeonardo: good
(12/11 20:52:01)  GoMeLeonardo: Theremin is coming
(12/11 20:52:03)  Rick DB: To do the smacking, thanks.  LOL
(12/11 20:52:10)  AgeExplorer: sure
(12/11 20:52:14)  Pokemon71096: I vote for whoevers running.
(12/11 20:52:14)  AgeExplorer: LOL
(12/11 20:52:16) Luna(nne) suddenly notices her proximity to Rick
(12/11 20:52:26)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah theremin
(12/11 20:52:28)  AgeExplorer: That doesn't help at ALL Pokemon
(12/11 20:52:28) Rick DB blinks
(12/11 20:52:32) Rick DB waves hello
(12/11 20:52:32)  Allan White: Shorah!
(12/11 20:52:37)  Musica2: Hi Theremin
(12/11 20:52:37)  Szark: Shorah dude
(12/11 20:52:41)  AgeExplorer: Shorah Theremin
(12/11 20:52:43)  Pokemon71096: i think we should decide whos running before we vote lol
(12/11 20:52:46)  GoMeLeonardo: I like that we always have a circle around the link-in point
(12/11 20:52:53)  Luna(nne): so should be saver here
(12/11 20:52:54)  AgeExplorer: hehe
(12/11 20:52:55)  Theremin: Hey all, sorry I'm late
(12/11 20:52:58)  AgeExplorer: scares people coming
(12/11 20:53:01)  AgeExplorer: in
(12/11 20:53:09)  GoMeLeonardo: sure pokemon, we will. People can volunteer now or on the forums
(12/11 20:53:09)  Rick DB: It certainly freaks ME out.
(12/11 20:53:21)  GoMeLeonardo: hey theremin
(12/11 20:53:27)  Pokemon71096: Oh, i thouht we were voting at this meeting
(12/11 20:53:27)  GoMeLeonardo: we are talking of the elections
(12/11 20:53:35)  morning satelite: are there job descriptions
(12/11 20:53:37)  GoMeLeonardo: no Poke ^^
(12/11 20:53:40)  AgeExplorer: Maybe set up a ballot system
(12/11 20:53:41)  Rick DB: A little early for that, methinks.
(12/11 20:53:45)  Luna(nne): no we are talking abotuut whether we should vote
(12/11 20:53:54)  GoMeLeonardo: Yes morning...I sent you a KImail with them....I hope the KI works XD
(12/11 20:54:04)  morning satelite: ok
(12/11 20:54:06)  Luna(nne): we do things calm Pokemon, no need to haste
(12/11 20:54:20)  Rick DB: Plenty of time.
(12/11 20:54:36)  GoMe Marten: I was hoping we could skip the voting and go straight to a violent revolution with a repressive dictator, but no dictator wanted the position...
(12/11 20:54:41)  Luna(nne): the cavern won't be leaving any time soon probably
(12/11 20:54:46)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL Marten
(12/11 20:54:53)  Rick DB: I volunteer for that!
(12/11 20:54:59)  Luna(nne): and else there is always the forum
(12/11 20:55:00) Rick DB will rule with an iron fist :P
(12/11 20:55:04)  Rick DB: j/k
(12/11 20:55:06)  Allan White: A dictator? I'm sure Szark will fill in.
(12/11 20:55:08)  Pokemon71096: oh well no matter what my opinion is yes we have an eleaction. so i leave now. Bye! wave
(12/11 20:55:15)  Luna(nne): words are stronger!
(12/11 20:55:27)  Allan White: Bye, Poke.
(12/11 20:56:05)  GoMeLeonardo: Am I right thinking that we have reached the consensus that elections are needed?
(12/11 20:56:19)  AgeExplorer: YAY!!!
(12/11 20:56:49)  Allan White: Let's call it the communis opinio. I, for one, don't think it's absolutely neccessary.
(12/11 20:56:50)  Luna(nne): good
(12/11 20:56:51)  AgeExplorer: hehee
(12/11 20:57:09)  Allan White: (referring to re-elections)
(12/11 20:57:20)  GoMeLeonardo: Well, I used the wrong word. I didn't mean "necessary", but however we want them
(12/11 20:58:06)  Luna(nne): well some people want them
(12/11 20:58:21)  AgeExplorer: Consensus should be taken now
(12/11 20:58:33)  Theremin: If I may suggest something...?
(12/11 20:58:36)  Rick DB: The count of such votes would probbly be very easy anyway, so why not?
(12/11 20:58:37)  Luna(nne): but I think the most important thing is that you guys didn't sign up to sit int eh council for years
(12/11 20:58:41)  GoMeLeonardo: yes theremin
(12/11 20:58:53)  Luna(nne): and the last elections weren't really elections anyway
(12/11 20:58:56) Luna(nne) shuts up
(12/11 20:59:09)  Rick DB: Just like in the US. :P
(12/11 20:59:10)  Theremin: We should have another election and...
(12/11 20:59:19)  AgeExplorer: Oh dear nooo
(12/11 20:59:22)  GoMeLeonardo: yes, that's my main reason Luna. And fresh GMs mey bring new things for the Guilds
(12/11 20:59:24)  GoMeLeonardo: Guild*
(12/11 20:59:39)  Theremin: Post it on the forum, and determine who is eligible to vote and...
(12/11 21:00:03)  Allan White: If I may cut in on that...
(12/11 21:00:12)  GoMe Marten: There's a total of 3 positions now right?
(12/11 21:00:15)  Theremin: Select someone to supervise the election.
(12/11 21:00:29)  Allan White: That's the plan. We just wondered if there's a consensus at all.
(12/11 21:00:37)  Musica2: I think so
(12/11 21:00:45)  GoMeLeonardo: Yes theremin....that comes later...I want to understand if we can proceed iwth that
(12/11 21:01:04)  GoMeLeonardo: laughinpineapple is coming
(12/11 21:01:10)  Szark: run
(12/11 21:01:10)  GoMeLeonardo: 3 positions Marten?
(12/11 21:01:11)  Luna(nne): Theremin doesn't seem to mind elections :P
(12/11 21:01:13)  Theremin: I don't see why we can't
(12/11 21:01:14)  GoMe Marten: You should hold elections because it is the right thing to do.  If people don't care, you've still done the right thing.
(12/11 21:01:25)  Rick DB: Agreed.
(12/11 21:01:33)  Musica2: Yes
(12/11 21:01:34)  Luna(nne): yeah
(12/11 21:01:36)  Allan White: Okay, that's true.
(12/11 21:01:36)  GoMeLeonardo: agreed. then we will set it up
(12/11 21:01:52)  GoMe Marten: Leo: I don't remember how many positions there are since it shrank.
(12/11 21:01:55)  GoMeLeonardo: ehm...Marten can you remind me the 3 positions? XD
(12/11 21:02:06)  GoMeLeonardo: ah ok!
(12/11 21:02:15)  Rick DB: Vice Guild Master?
(12/11 21:02:19)  GoMeLeonardo: The proposal was to have 3 or 2 GMs
(12/11 21:02:21)  Luna(nne): isn't 2 enough?
(12/11 21:02:27)  GoMeLeonardo: I'd go for 2
(12/11 21:02:32)  AgeExplorer: Well 2 has worked well for now
(12/11 21:02:33)  Rick DB: 3 would split the work better.
(12/11 21:02:46)  Rick DB: So someone isn't overloaded.
(12/11 21:02:47)  Luna(nne): I didn't even knew there were official positions
(12/11 21:02:48)  GoMeLeonardo: there isn't all that work Doobes
(12/11 21:02:49)  Theremin: I never considered myself a GM...
(12/11 21:02:59)  Rick DB: No? Ah.
(12/11 21:03:01)  Luna(nne): I thought that the people elected would get to fight out who does what
(12/11 21:03:05)  GoMe Marten: 3 provides for tie-breaking is all.
(12/11 21:03:19)  AgeExplorer: lol true
(12/11 21:03:22)  Musica2: town crier leader, magazine leader and events leader?
(12/11 21:03:24)  morning satelite: lol
(12/11 21:03:26)  GoMeLeonardo: shorah Pinny
(12/11 21:03:27)  Allan White: Hi there.
(12/11 21:03:31)  GoMe Marten: Maybe 2 GMs with a designated tie-breaker who does nothing else.
(12/11 21:03:35)  Luna(nne): hi LP
(12/11 21:03:35)  laughingpineapple: Shorahtee!
(12/11 21:03:41) Rick DB waves hello
(12/11 21:03:57)  AgeExplorer: Lets make it one efficient system LOL
(12/11 21:04:11) Rick DB grins
(12/11 21:04:20)  Luna(nne): we could have an official guld-meeting-rememberer
(12/11 21:04:25)  GoMeLeonardo: Do we need a tie breaker? the majority of things are discussed with the entire Guild, only little things are decided my GMs and not important one for sure
(12/11 21:04:32)  Luna(nne): :P
(12/11 21:04:49)  Theremin: I favor an odd number...
(12/11 21:04:55)  AgeExplorer: Plus how many times will there be confrontations that need to be decided by Guild Masters
(12/11 21:04:56)  GoMe Marten: Dunno Leo, just throwing it out there for discussion.
(12/11 21:04:58)  GoMeLeonardo: I would use the Guild itself as tie-breaker
(12/11 21:05:11)  AgeExplorer: Yes I agree with that
(12/11 21:05:12)  morning satelite: the third person could be the go between and take over if things get too much at some point
(12/11 21:05:27)  Luna(nne): honestly I don't see that happen
(12/11 21:05:29)  AgeExplorer: using the Guild as a tie breaker allows the Guild as a whole to speak
(12/11 21:05:35)  Rick DB: Plus have you ever even HAD a tie in the history of the Guild?
(12/11 21:05:37)  morning satelite: like if someone is on hoiliday
(12/11 21:05:40)  GoMeLeonardo: almost never Age. We agreed that Guild Masters are not leaders with powers, but only representant
(12/11 21:05:51)  Luna(nne): there isn't that much too decide about , most stuff is decided as guild
(12/11 21:06:01)  Luna(nne): in the holidays, the whole guild falls silent
(12/11 21:06:05)  AgeExplorer: Yes so having a tie breaker really doesn't make much sense in that case
(12/11 21:06:08)  Luna(nne): and forgets everything
(12/11 21:06:09)  GoMeLeonardo: no I don't think we ever had a tie
(12/11 21:06:47)  Rick DB: Hmm...
(12/11 21:06:54) Luna(nne) remembers what happened when she came back from the holidays...
(12/11 21:07:02)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL
(12/11 21:07:05)  GoMe Marten: Well then, sounds like 2 will continue to be good enough then.
(12/11 21:07:09)  AgeExplorer: oh no
(12/11 21:07:19)  Rick DB: It's worked well to this point.
(12/11 21:07:22)  morning satelite: presumably you dont book your holidays at the same time?
(12/11 21:07:22)  Rick DB: IMO.
(12/11 21:07:26)  GoMe Marten: Barring any sudden surprises or outbreak of interest.
(12/11 21:07:28)  Theremin: I would still prefer at least 1 more...
(12/11 21:07:39)  AgeExplorer: Why?
(12/11 21:07:46)  GoMeLeonardo: then, as we discussed months ago, GMs will only be repsentants and coordinators, with no power. The power goes to the Guild
(12/11 21:07:50)  AgeExplorer: For what purpose other than odd number
(12/11 21:08:04)  Theremin: 2 is too limited, and it seems there is more interest in these positions now
(12/11 21:08:07)  Luna(nne): @morning there doesn't happen a lot in the holidays, so it is no problem
(12/11 21:08:19)  Luna(nne): uhm seriouslu
(12/11 21:08:30)  Luna(nne): I heard me, Allan and poke
(12/11 21:08:44)  GoMeLeonardo: theremin, I don't think there is enough things to do for 3 people
(12/11 21:08:49)  Szark: I would like to see the Chairs try to better our communications with the other guilds and groups though even in this stagnent time
(12/11 21:08:54)  GoMe Marten: That kinda sounds like you're creating positions just because people want to have a position. :)
(12/11 21:09:09)  Allan White: We didn't ask the current GMs yet - interested to continue?
(12/11 21:09:09)  GoMeLeonardo: right marten
(12/11 21:09:14)  Rick DB: Yeah, they'd be bored out of their minds and lose interest fast.
(12/11 21:09:16)  morning satelite: there will be more to do if there is more communication with affiliates
(12/11 21:09:25)  GoMeLeonardo: yes I'm interested in keeping my reign XD :P
(12/11 21:09:30) Rick DB cheers
(12/11 21:09:31)  Theremin: @Marten, maybe, but I think a third person may bring some new ideas
(12/11 21:09:32)  AgeExplorer: Wiiiiiiiiiiiii
(12/11 21:09:39)  Rick DB: All hail Leonardo!
(12/11 21:09:41) Rick DB bows
(12/11 21:09:46) Allan White claps his hands
(12/11 21:09:47) AgeExplorer bows
(12/11 21:09:50)  Rick DB: :P
(12/11 21:09:51) Allan White bows
(12/11 21:09:53)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL
(12/11 21:10:01) laughingpineapple bows
(12/11 21:10:23)  Allan White: Sounds as if a re-election could be quite probable.
(12/11 21:10:30)  GoMeLeonardo: I have to go in the other room for some minutes. I'll be back soon!!
(12/11 21:10:47) Rick DB laughs
(12/11 21:11:08)  Rick DB: Well let us in on the secret then. :)
(12/11 21:11:21)  GoMe Marten: Theremin - my experience tells me that yes, we should have an odd number.  But I don't think that'll result in "new ideas".  People don't have to be GM to offer ideas.  The ideas come from those who're gathered here now, who care to contribute
(12/11 21:12:26)  GoMe Marten: But I'm conceding that my experience in how things should be, doesn't mean that's how things really have to be... with the GoMe still being very small and still not doing very much.
(12/11 21:12:40)  Szark: Marten is corect. Ideas come from us all
(12/11 21:12:42) Thumbs up from Allan White
(12/11 21:12:48)  Luna(nne): yeah
(12/11 21:12:57)  Rick DB: Not doing very much?  You're the most active Guild here at the moment.
(12/11 21:13:08)  Luna(nne): and mroe ideas will be needed for the magazine so start THINKING
(12/11 21:13:13)  Luna(nne): the writers are more active
(12/11 21:13:15)  GoMe Marten: Rick: That's the scary part :)
(12/11 21:13:19)  morning satelite: I dont think you have enough people interested to ignore anyone who may be
(12/11 21:13:21)  AgeExplorer: Yes seriously Writers are active but cannot do much until open source
(12/11 21:13:27)  Rick DB: Exactly.
(12/11 21:13:28)  Luna(nne): and indeed it is sort of scary
(12/11 21:13:34)  Luna(nne): but are slightly more active
(12/11 21:13:41)  Rick DB: As far as MOULa is concerned it's all GoMe.
(12/11 21:13:43)  AgeExplorer: IC this is the most active of the Guilds
(12/11 21:13:46)  Rick DB: For the moment. ;)
(12/11 21:13:55)  Luna(nne): I don't want to think of us as the most active guild. It freaks me out
(12/11 21:13:56)  GoMeLeonardo: back
(12/11 21:14:03)  AgeExplorer: WB :)
(12/11 21:14:05) Allan White cheers
(12/11 21:14:08)  Szark: WB
(12/11 21:14:09)  GoMe Marten: We've got a magazine, which took 5 months to put together issue 1... at that rate it'll be semi-annual.
(12/11 21:14:19)  Rick DB: Well, since the Greeters went "missing" or whatever...you've got to own it now. :)
(12/11 21:14:23)  Luna(nne): the holidays fell in the middle
(12/11 21:14:33)  AgeExplorer: All except two Greeters
(12/11 21:14:39)  morning satelite: so long as people know that it is regular they will read it
(12/11 21:14:42)  Luna(nne): and we could have done it faster, but I don't know what we did in the end
(12/11 21:14:47)  Allan White: Didn't the Greeters plan a big resurrection?
(12/11 21:14:47)  Luna(nne): but it took aaaagggeees
(12/11 21:14:50)  GoMeLeonardo: well marten, 5 months were for layout too...now we have it
(12/11 21:14:55)  Allan White: And the Maintainers as well? :P
(12/11 21:14:58)  Rick DB: If they did, I've heard nothing of it.
(12/11 21:15:01)  laughingpineapple: So long as people are informed that it's out, they'll read it. :)
(12/11 21:15:05)  Luna(nne): maintainers did
(12/11 21:15:14)  GoMe Marten: The hard part with the magazine is getting content for it
(12/11 21:15:17)  Luna(nne): greeters never eevn visit the all guilds meeting O_o
(12/11 21:15:25)  Rick DB: Yeah.
(12/11 21:15:26)  Luna(nne): I stared poking the DLF
(12/11 21:15:27)  AgeExplorer: I know LOL
(12/11 21:15:28)  morning satelite: how odd
(12/11 21:15:33)  Luna(nne): 8started
(12/11 21:15:37)  Luna(nne): *started
(12/11 21:15:38)  Theremin: If I may speak for a moment about the magazine...?
(12/11 21:15:40)  Luna(nne): but they are slow
(12/11 21:15:40)  GoMeLeonardo: nice LUna
(12/11 21:15:45)  Szark: Yep Marten Content is and always was the issue
(12/11 21:15:50)  Rick DB: I had to fill in for the GoW last meeting for crying out loud.  How sad is THAT? :P
(12/11 21:15:51)  GoMe Marten: Go, Theremin.
(12/11 21:15:53) Rick DB grins
(12/11 21:15:56)  Allan White: We're getting a little out of order, aren't we?
(12/11 21:15:57)  GoMe Marten: ;)
(12/11 21:16:03)  GoMeLeonardo: yes XD
(12/11 21:16:05)  Luna(nne): we always get out of order
(12/11 21:16:06)  GoMeLeonardo: Go theremin
(12/11 21:16:08)  Luna(nne): like by the
(12/11 21:16:08)  AgeExplorer: hehehehe
(12/11 21:16:11) Rick DB focuses back to the meeting at hand
(12/11 21:16:14)  Luna(nne): (last guild meeting)
(12/11 21:16:15)  Theremin: OK...
(12/11 21:16:18)  Allan White: That's how it's meant to be.
(12/11 21:16:31)  Musica2: Theremin please do speak about the GO #2
(12/11 21:16:36) Luna(nne) shuts up
(12/11 21:16:43) Allan White shuts up
(12/11 21:16:52)  Theremin: I was even more insistent that the magazine be better quality the the newspaper because...
(12/11 21:16:57) Rick DB zips his lip
(12/11 21:17:33)  Theremin: Anyone can throw together a haphazard magazine wuith a bunch of articles written hastily...
(12/11 21:17:43)  Szark: thx
(12/11 21:17:52)  morning satelite: not anyone
(12/11 21:18:15)  Theremin: and slam it out on a presumed deadline. I don't want the mag to be just a copy of what can befound on a forum
(12/11 21:18:16)  Rick DB: You definitely succeeded with quality.  The first issue was wonderfully done. :)
(12/11 21:18:27)  morning satelite: there is a place for such things
(12/11 21:18:31)  AgeExplorer: Yes I loved the magazine
(12/11 21:18:54)  Theremin: It was wonderful because everyone put up with me for demanding it, and they delivered for sure
(12/11 21:19:03)  morning satelite: speed and quality rarely mix
(12/11 21:19:15)  Rick DB: Very true.
(12/11 21:19:21)  morning satelite: so successfully
(12/11 21:19:27)  Rick DB: Look at most video games for proof of that.
(12/11 21:19:32)  Theremin: I may have also hurt some feelings, which I regret...
(12/11 21:19:37)  AgeExplorer: heheheh
(12/11 21:19:47)  morning satelite: diplomacy is also an art
(12/11 21:19:58)  Szark: ddn't hurt mine dude
(12/11 21:20:05)  Allan White: You made me cry multiple times, do you know that, There? XD
(12/11 21:20:09)  GoMeLeonardo: we know you theremin ^^
(12/11 21:20:09)  Szark: you should know that
(12/11 21:20:14)  laughingpineapple: Knowing that there is a bar set for quality helps to focus while writing the articles in the first place, Theremin. Thanks for setting it. :)
(12/11 21:20:15)  AgeExplorer: hehehe
(12/11 21:20:18)  Rick DB: Poor Alllan...
(12/11 21:20:19)  morning satelite: but doesnt necessarily work all the time
(12/11 21:20:22)  Rick DB: *Allan
(12/11 21:20:52)  Theremin: The next issue is already looking promising
(12/11 21:21:01)  Luna(nne): really?
(12/11 21:21:05)  GoMeLeonardo: do we already have articles for it?
(12/11 21:21:10)  AgeExplorer: LOL
(12/11 21:21:14)  Luna(nne): there is like nothing right?
(12/11 21:21:16)  AgeExplorer: It started already
(12/11 21:21:19)  Allan White: Promised articles, I think.
(12/11 21:21:20)  Rick DB: :)
(12/11 21:21:21)  GoMe Marten: But it's ok, because I hurt Theremin's feelings in equal proportion to the pain he caused others.  Muahaha.
(12/11 21:21:23)  laughingpineapple: The theme is interesting, that's for sure.
(12/11 21:21:28)  Theremin: No, but we have people asking about it already, that's the hard part- getting started
(12/11 21:21:33)  Luna(nne): should be more obvious this time
(12/11 21:21:44)  Rick DB: Heh, who knew the GoMe was so mean to each other?  Wow.
(12/11 21:21:46)  Luna(nne): btw the theme, or not mentio0n it
(12/11 21:21:48)  AgeExplorer: There will be no hurting here LOL
(12/11 21:21:51)  Luna(nne): *mention it
(12/11 21:22:07)  Luna(nne): people felt the "international" wasn't so clear
(12/11 21:22:07)  Allan White: Do we have an overall theme? Like the international stuff last time, I mean?
(12/11 21:22:13)  Allan White: Oh.
(12/11 21:22:15)  Theremin: Theme is "Real-Life"
(12/11 21:22:27)  Allan White: Shiny.
(12/11 21:22:28)  GoMeLeonardo: relations ship between Myst and RL
(12/11 21:22:35)  GoMeLeonardo: relationship*
(12/11 21:22:41)  Luna(nne): welcome to the mad....GoMe Age
(12/11 21:22:50)  Luna(nne): *, Age
(12/11 21:22:58)  AgeExplorer: HAHAHAHAHA
(12/11 21:23:11) AgeExplorer hides behind Leo
(12/11 21:23:17)  Rick DB: Hehehe.
(12/11 21:23:20)  GoMeLeonardo: speaking of the GoMe Age....another failed joint-project XD
(12/11 21:23:28) Luna(nne) pulls her banana to shoot Age
(12/11 21:23:39)  Allan White: Let's not talk about that, please :D
(12/11 21:23:43)  GoMeLeonardo: ok XD
(12/11 21:23:51)  Rick DB: With the GoW or ...?
(12/11 21:24:02) Allan White searches for a cat door to hide.
(12/11 21:24:03)  GoMeLeonardo: yeah with the GoW...well, with Kaelis
(12/11 21:24:07)  Luna(nne): I wanted to talk about GoW articles int eh magazine.....or is that also a problem?
(12/11 21:24:08)  Rick DB: Ah.
(12/11 21:24:19)  AgeExplorer: hehe everyone to your hiding place of choice hurry
(12/11 21:24:20)  GoMeLeonardo: GoW Articles?
(12/11 21:24:26)  Theremin: @Luna- not a problem for me
(12/11 21:24:29)  Luna(nne): uhm yeah
(12/11 21:24:31)  Rick DB: Given we don't have our own magazine, I would say go ahead. :P
(12/11 21:24:42)  Luna(nne): they are one of the more active guilds out there
(12/11 21:24:43)  Rick DB: Only if you want to though. ;)
(12/11 21:25:03)  Allan White: THE active guild out there - except from us.
(12/11 21:25:07)  GoMeLeonardo: I think people are always interested in knowing about the new ages, new projects like a client, a server etc
(12/11 21:25:16)  Luna(nne): I mean cartographers would nice too but they are dead, greeters are silent and Maintainers too busy with becoming active
(12/11 21:25:27)  Szark: lol
(12/11 21:25:30)  GoMeLeonardo: lol
(12/11 21:25:46)  Luna(nne): so I think we should leave them too it for now
(12/11 21:25:49)  Luna(nne): *to
(12/11 21:26:10)  Allan White: Anyway, the idea of GoW articles sounds interesting.
(12/11 21:26:19)  Luna(nne): but I thought getting articles from Writers was a problem earlier?
(12/11 21:26:21)  AgeExplorer: Oh yes I like that idea
(12/11 21:26:27)  Luna(nne): because of all the blogs and stuff
(12/11 21:26:31)  Luna(nne): already there
(12/11 21:26:37)  Allan White: Copyright :P
(12/11 21:26:42)  Szark: Luna what angle would you take to keep to the theme of Myst/Real life?
(12/11 21:26:59)  Rick DB: Perhaps an article of featured Ages from Writers willing to interview?  Just to drum up interest?
(12/11 21:27:00)  laughingpineapple: I'd love to hear about new Ages and other projects...
(12/11 21:27:08)  morning satelite: they might like to use the magazine to promote their own projects
(12/11 21:27:08)  Luna(nne): well not everything would have to fall under the theme
(12/11 21:27:18)  Szark: oh
(12/11 21:27:22)  Luna(nne): but some of those guys spend /lots/ of time on projects
(12/11 21:27:22)  laughingpineapple: Like... teasers for the Ages?
(12/11 21:27:24)  morning satelite: you could have a'age of the year'
(12/11 21:27:25)  Allan White: I agree with Lunanne. International K'veer ^^
(12/11 21:27:42)  Theremin: We'll publish any well-written article regardless of whether it fits the theme or not
(12/11 21:27:49)  Szark: ok
(12/11 21:27:51)  Rick DB: It would be good, as long as GoW content doesn't overrun the whole magazine.  It's GoMe first and foremost. ;)
(12/11 21:27:52)  Luna(nne): maybe we could take the "how does it influence the your real life" angle
(12/11 21:27:54)  Szark: just askimng
(12/11 21:27:54) GoMe Marten imagines K'veer with different flags hanging.  And beer.  Even though he doesn't drink.
(12/11 21:27:59) Allan White laughs
(12/11 21:28:00)  Luna(nne): but honestly anything
(12/11 21:28:03)  Luna(nne): will do
(12/11 21:28:26)  Luna(nne): O_o
(12/11 21:28:41)  Musica2: I already started asking around about exploreres who have family members in URU
(12/11 21:28:58)  Rick DB: Ah, cool.
(12/11 21:28:59)  Allan White: Oh, how about the Eldred siblings?
(12/11 21:29:01)  laughingpineapple: Cool, that.
(12/11 21:29:10)  Theremin: I'm not looking for ideas for articles however... what I'm looking for is people to write them.
(12/11 21:29:11)  Rick DB: I was just going to mention them!
(12/11 21:29:19)  GoMeLeonardo: how about the couples in Myst?
(12/11 21:29:24)  Rick DB: Aha!
(12/11 21:29:27)  AgeExplorer: OH YESSSS
(12/11 21:29:28) Rick DB nods
(12/11 21:29:29)  Luna(nne): uhm Allatwan will help out but cannot come in MOULa currently
(12/11 21:29:31)  Allan White: What happened to the twins story, anyway?
(12/11 21:29:36)  Luna(nne): she was going to do that music thing
(12/11 21:29:51)  Luna(nne): LostThyme is too busy with exams
(12/11 21:29:56)  GoMeLeonardo: I see
(12/11 21:30:03)  Luna(nne): I'll try to check on Capella
(12/11 21:30:34)  Musica2: I wrote the Voltigeur article and Flo Cat kind of took over the twins story and didn't complete i for #1
(12/11 21:30:36)  laughingpineapple: I can finally start to work on new articles.
(12/11 21:30:43)  Luna(nne): ...like I would do the last three meetings or so
(12/11 21:30:52)  GoMeLeonardo: great pinny
(12/11 21:31:07)  laughingpineapple: Hypothetically, a fanfiction covering the Myst games from an IC pov
(12/11 21:31:26)  laughingpineapple: (which is kind of a "Myst and real life" theme)
(12/11 21:31:27)  Allan White: Great! I loved the last one.
(12/11 21:31:32)  laughingpineapple: Thank you!
(12/11 21:31:34)  GoMeLeonardo: :)
(12/11 21:31:40)  Szark: too short though lol
(12/11 21:31:40) Thumbs up from Rick DB
(12/11 21:31:45)  AgeExplorer: YAY!!!!
(12/11 21:32:31)  Luna(nne): but we need more journalists I guess
(12/11 21:32:45)  Luna(nne): I mean I will write some more on architecture and probably help otu the DLF
(12/11 21:32:47)  laughingpineapple: and possibly an article on Myst cosplay.
(12/11 21:32:55)  Allan White: Guess so. I'll keep my eyes open for new ones (which I'm doing anyway).
(12/11 21:32:56)  Luna(nne): but I am not that great at article-writing
(12/11 21:33:08)  Theremin: Definitely more people willing to write articles, and put up with an editor who is almost guaranteed to demand re-writes
(12/11 21:33:25)  Allan White: I don't want to know how it would end if I tried to write an article.
(12/11 21:33:28) GoMeLeonardo remembers the re.write of his article XD
(12/11 21:33:32)  Szark: better than me Luna
(12/11 21:33:51)  AgeExplorer: hehehe
(12/11 21:34:00)  Luna(nne): I am more the editor who starts staring at people who don't get the deadline
(12/11 21:34:09)  Rick DB: :D
(12/11 21:34:17)  GoMe Marten: There were only 2 articles that really needed serious work.  I just happened to pick those two to read first. o.o
(12/11 21:34:21)  Allan White: Don't know what you mean, Luna. If I remember correctly, there was a very nice article on architecture in our last issue. :P
(12/11 21:35:02)  Szark: yeah don't put ourself down Luna...that is our job
(12/11 21:35:12)  Luna(nne): I cannot write something out of nothing about myst&real life and I cannot interview people
(12/11 21:35:29)  Allan White: By the way, did you manage to finish your novel?
(12/11 21:35:33)  Luna(nne): I could write fake recipes but theremin doesn't want them
(12/11 21:35:36)  Luna(nne): nope
(12/11 21:35:43) <sniffle> Allan White is sad
(12/11 21:35:46)  Luna(nne): well i finished the novel but didn't get the wordc ount
(12/11 21:35:55)  laughingpineapple: NaNo?
(12/11 21:36:00)  Allan White: Is it online somewhere?
(12/11 21:36:02)  Luna(nne): yeah, just 30k
(12/11 21:36:07)  Luna(nne): not yet, it will be
(12/11 21:36:08)  Theremin: If Allan is willing to try the recipes for real... you can write them.
(12/11 21:36:10)  GoMe Marten: NaNo: Quantity over quality.
(12/11 21:36:11)  Luna(nne): I am editing it
(12/11 21:36:12)  GoMeLeonardo: there was someone who made myst-related things....like cake, biscuits. I saw them in Mysterium pics
(12/11 21:36:27)  Luna(nne): okay Allan,..up for some quab soup?
(12/11 21:36:31)  AgeExplorer: hehe mmmmm
(12/11 21:36:31)  Rick DB: Aw crud.  Did they have them AFTER I left?
(12/11 21:36:32) Allan White fears for his beautiful (and expensive) kitchen
(12/11 21:36:34) Rick DB says DOH!
(12/11 21:36:43)  Allan White: And stomach.
(12/11 21:36:47)  Luna(nne): you only have to catch some quabs
(12/11 21:36:53)  AgeExplorer: Kitchens are meant to be trashed LOL
(12/11 21:36:53)  Luna(nne): pleeassseee
(12/11 21:36:58)  GoMeLeonardo: not this year's mysterium Doobes
(12/11 21:37:06)  AgeExplorer: Best kitchens are always a mess
(12/11 21:37:08)  Allan White: Okay, but only for you, Lunanne :D
(12/11 21:37:14)  Theremin: Hey all, I am afraid I must go...
(12/11 21:37:14)  Szark: Bahro Burgers
(12/11 21:37:18)  Rick DB: Oh.  That would explain the no free eats then. :P
(12/11 21:37:22)  Luna(nne): yeah! :D
(12/11 21:37:23)  laughingpineapple: Myst-shaped biscuits etc. or otherwise related?
(12/11 21:37:27)  GoMeLeonardo: awww, see you soon Theremin!
(12/11 21:37:30)  laughingpineapple: Bye Theremin!
(12/11 21:37:30)  GoMe Marten: Arriving late, leaving early?
(12/11 21:37:34)  Luna(nne): see ya
(12/11 21:37:35)  Allan White: Bye, Theremin!
(12/11 21:37:39)  AgeExplorer: bye Theremin!
(12/11 21:37:41)  Theremin: Keep the discussion going on the mag, it sounds good...
(12/11 21:37:41)  Szark: Bye Dude
(12/11 21:37:42)  Allan White: Was nice to see you.
(12/11 21:37:43)  GoMeLeonardo: yes pinny
(12/11 21:37:44)  Rick DB: Adios Theremin!
(12/11 21:37:47)  morning satelite: a sign of a long meeting
(12/11 21:37:59)  Luna(nne): we always have loong meetings
(12/11 21:38:02)  GoMe Marten: I thought we only had 2 topics to discuss anyway
(12/11 21:38:04)  Luna(nne): we love talking too much
(12/11 21:38:07)  Rick DB: Longer than the last All Guild meeting even.
(12/11 21:38:08)  AgeExplorer: LOL
(12/11 21:38:08)  Theremin: OK, you all can talk about me now...
(12/11 21:38:09)  morning satelite: lol
(12/11 21:38:10)  Rick DB: Hehehe.
(12/11 21:38:13)  Luna(nne): I mean writing
(12/11 21:38:13)  GoMeLeonardo: Long meetings, that's GoMe sign xD
(12/11 21:38:21) Rick DB grins
(12/11 21:38:21)  laughingpineapple: There's no such thing as talking too much around here imho^^
(12/11 21:38:21)  Szark: has he gone yet
(12/11 21:38:23)  Theremin: Oh wait, guess I better leave first
(12/11 21:38:29) Rick DB laughs
(12/11 21:38:33) Luna(nne) starts to laugh
(12/11 21:38:33)  Allan White: Long meetings with little content.
(12/11 21:38:41)  Luna(nne): just like nano
(12/11 21:38:41)  Rick DB: Good fun though.
(12/11 21:38:43)  morning satelite: mmm
(12/11 21:38:49)  Allan White: But a whole lot of fun.
(12/11 21:39:08)  Rick DB: You GoMe peeps know how to party. :)
(12/11 21:39:09)  laughingpineapple: Nano should be edited afterwards :p
(12/11 21:39:09)  Szark: yes good fum that is why I like them
(12/11 21:39:18)  Luna(nne): we edit the chatlogsd
(12/11 21:39:26)  Luna(nne): and write summaries
(12/11 21:39:42)  Luna(nne): so what were we talking about?
(12/11 21:39:44)  Luna(nne): Magazine>
(12/11 21:39:50)  morning satelite: content
(12/11 21:39:51)  Luna(nne): or Theremin?
(12/11 21:39:54)  Luna(nne): uhm yeah
(12/11 21:40:57)  GoMeLeonardo: so, more thoughts on the magazine?
(12/11 21:41:06)  Szark: nope
(12/11 21:41:19)  Allan White: I've got some thoughts on Theremin, but I'll keep them to myself.
(12/11 21:41:25)  Luna(nne): uhm writers, dlf, recipes, uhm no
(12/11 21:41:27)  Szark: lol
(12/11 21:41:29)  morning satelite: what about a problem page
(12/11 21:41:37)  morning satelite: dear mystie
(12/11 21:41:38)  GoMeLeonardo: what about it morning?
(12/11 21:42:00)  Rick DB: You mean an advice column?
(12/11 21:42:03)  Luna(nne): we'll have an article abotu ingame music, and again aarchitecture - probably kadish gallery
(12/11 21:42:03)  morning satelite: my freind spenads all their time on thwecomputer what should i do?
(12/11 21:42:13)  GoMe Marten: An advice column?
(12/11 21:42:16)  Luna(nne): join them!
(12/11 21:42:20)  Rick DB: YES!
(12/11 21:42:22) Thumbs up from Allan White
(12/11 21:42:23)  morning satelite: yes
(12/11 21:42:25)  GoMeLeonardo: lol
(12/11 21:42:41)  morning satelite: humourous but serious undercurrent
(12/11 21:43:08)  Luna(nne): '"My boy friend talks only in SQL statements to me. What did I do wrong?"
(12/11 21:43:10)  Allan White: Or how about a category called "Interesting extracts from GoMe meeting chatlogs"?
(12/11 21:43:18) Error: Must be text only
(12/11 21:43:19)  Rick DB: I like it!
(12/11 21:43:20)  AgeExplorer: ROTFL
(12/11 21:43:20)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(12/11 21:43:23)  laughingpineapple: lol
(12/11 21:43:35)  morning satelite: there a=may bre stories you hear which are not long enough for an artic;le
(12/11 21:43:40)  Luna(nne): or "Atrus says" although I cannot remember what we were going to put in there
(12/11 21:43:48)  Allan White: You didn't manage to persuade him to use better databases.
(12/11 21:43:59)  Rick DB: Atrus says...try moving the slider.
(12/11 21:44:03) Allan White laughs
(12/11 21:44:03)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(12/11 21:44:14)  Luna(nne): should be in the old chatlogs somewhere
(12/11 21:44:15)  Rick DB: Ugh, I tried.  Couldn't resist.
(12/11 21:44:16)  Luna(nne): march or so
(12/11 21:44:20)  GoMeLeonardo: We have to find new "Do You Know"s
(12/11 21:44:29)  Luna(nne): cyan stuff I thought
(12/11 21:44:34)  Allan White: We still have some in stock, I think.
(12/11 21:44:42)  Allan White: Don't we?
(12/11 21:44:43)  Szark: Atrus says. yes I was supposed to read the Myst reader again to get some sayings. But as it turns out I need reading glasses. Haven't got the money for them yet
(12/11 21:44:52)  Luna(nne): like "Atrus says that iRiven is submitted to the store"
(12/11 21:44:55)  GoMe Marten: Maybe you could get some out of Cyan.
(12/11 21:45:21)  GoMeLeonardo: YAY...definitely an idea!
(12/11 21:45:23)  Rick DB: Ooh, a quote from Cyan every so often?  Just to show they're not uh...asleep?
(12/11 21:45:29)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah Marno
(12/11 21:45:30)  Szark: Shorah Marno
(12/11 21:45:33)  Luna(nne): yeah sort of
(12/11 21:45:34)  laughingpineapple: Shorah!
(12/11 21:45:35)  Rick DB: Hey Marno.
(12/11 21:45:41)  Marno: shorah all
(12/11 21:45:42)  AgeExplorer: Shorah
(12/11 21:45:42)  morning satelite: shorah
(12/11 21:45:54)  Allan White: @Rick: How about: It will be fixed soon.
(12/11 21:45:55)  Luna(nne): would be great if we could get them to give us some yet-unpublished-stuff but that is probably not going to happen
(12/11 21:46:00)  Allan White: (tm)
(12/11 21:46:07)  laughingpineapple: Has the Myst Reader been exploited enough in past Do You Knows?
(12/11 21:46:08)  Szark: yeah we really need a stock pile of "Did You Know"'s
(12/11 21:46:22)  laughingpineapple: Not Myst reader, sorry.
(12/11 21:46:22)  Luna(nne): or don't do them anymore
(12/11 21:46:25)  Szark: no LP
(12/11 21:46:26)  laughingpineapple: From Myst to Riven.
(12/11 21:46:38)  Szark: no
(12/11 21:46:44)  Luna(nne): don't have it :(
(12/11 21:46:44)  GoMeLeonardo: oh from MystToRiven!! nice idea
(12/11 21:46:54)  AgeExplorer: wiiiiiiii
(12/11 21:47:02)  Szark: yeah I don't have it either LP
(12/11 21:47:08)  Allan White: Neither do I.
(12/11 21:47:11)  Allan White: Too bad.
(12/11 21:47:20)  laughingpineapple: Leo and I do, though.
(12/11 21:47:29)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll try to contact Cyan for the DidYouKnow and for the "A word from Cyan"
(12/11 21:47:37)  GoMe Marten: Did you know there are 5 different versions of "From Myst to Riven" ? :)
(12/11 21:47:38)  Rick DB: Perfect.
(12/11 21:47:38)  Szark: well we have a page for themto go on in the Wiki
(12/11 21:47:39)  Allan White: Can you lend it to me? From Italy?
(12/11 21:47:52)  Allan White: Only of the cover.
(12/11 21:47:55)  Marno: sorry didnt know you have a meeting, byby
(12/11 21:48:00)  AgeExplorer: ITALY :)
(12/11 21:48:02)  Allan White: Bye, Marno.
(12/11 21:48:05)  GoMe Marten: Right, 5 different covers.
(12/11 21:48:05) Rick DB grins
(12/11 21:48:10)  Rick DB: Easy there, Age. :P
(12/11 21:48:15)  Luna(nne): I could go on holiday to italy...
(12/11 21:48:29)  Allan White: I planned to go there anyway... ^^
(12/11 21:48:31)  laughingpineapple: 5 covers and I got the &%&# golden dome one XD
(12/11 21:48:34)  Musica2: I do have it also, the big coffe table book that came out.
(12/11 21:48:44)  Luna(nne): I would like the Tay one...
(12/11 21:48:50)  laughingpineapple: It's a great place to visit! Lots of interesting cities.
(12/11 21:49:06)  Luna(nne): the current plan is too ask Cyan if I ever come to work there. Which will probably not happen
(12/11 21:49:15)  Luna(nne): *to
(12/11 21:49:15)  laughingpineapple: Me too, that's the one that was featured on the Ebay page...
(12/11 21:49:28)  GoMeLeonardo: oh pinny I got the worst one...a side path of the golden dome island
(12/11 21:49:37)  Rick DB: Ouch.
(12/11 21:49:40)  AgeExplorer: ehehe
(12/11 21:50:00)  laughingpineapple: Ouchie. At least you don't have those darn marbles staring at ya. You know I'm paranoid for those.
(12/11 21:50:07)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(12/11 21:50:15)  Allan White: Shorah!
(12/11 21:50:15)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah Tai
(12/11 21:50:18)  laughingpineapple: Shorah!
(12/11 21:50:20) Rick DB salutes
(12/11 21:50:26)  Luna(nne): shorah
(12/11 21:50:26)  morning satelite: shorah
(12/11 21:50:27)  Musica2: Hi Tai
(12/11 21:50:28)  Tai'lahr: Shorah y'all!
(12/11 21:50:35)  morning satelite: pull up a chair
(12/11 21:50:38)  Szark: I would really like to do a crossword but again Ineed help with contructing Questions and Answers
(12/11 21:50:41)  GoMe Marten: Shorah Tai' :)
(12/11 21:50:45)  Rick DB: Wait...there's CHAIRS?
(12/11 21:50:48) Rick DB says DOH!
(12/11 21:50:49)  Tai'lahr: :) Marten
(12/11 21:50:54)  Szark: Hiya Tai long time no see
(12/11 21:51:02)  morning satelite: its a roleplaying game - use imagination
(12/11 21:51:04)  Tai'lahr: Hi hi Szark!
(12/11 21:51:07) laughingpineapple stares at the chairs
(12/11 21:51:09)  Luna(nne): of course, you are sitting on one right??
(12/11 21:51:19) Rick DB wishes he knew that before his foot fell asleep
(12/11 21:51:23)  laughingpineapple: No, look, there!
(12/11 21:51:23)  Luna(nne): but we were having a meeting....
(12/11 21:51:37)  GoMeLeonardo: Do you think I should PM RAWA for contactin Cyan....or should I use Chogon's email. I had better luck with Chogon last times XD
(12/11 21:51:38)  Luna(nne): magazine...
(12/11 21:51:39)  morning satelite: yes
(12/11 21:51:41)  GoMe Marten: Because we're the only guild that still has meetings...
(12/11 21:51:43)  Luna(nne): Chogon
(12/11 21:51:50)  Luna(nne): really?
(12/11 21:51:52)  laughingpineapple: Chairs! :o
(12/11 21:51:56)  GoMe Marten: Leo: RAWA hasn't responded to my PM from over a week ago
(12/11 21:51:58)  Luna(nne): gosh that is so scary
(12/11 21:52:01)  Rick DB: I would do all of those.  Just to see which one gets there fastest.
(12/11 21:52:07)  AgeExplorer: hehe
(12/11 21:52:07)  Luna(nne): we should ask for chairs from Cyan
(12/11 21:52:09)  Rick DB: Or if ANY answer even.
(12/11 21:52:24)  Szark: I want a stool
(12/11 21:52:26)  Tai'lahr: What's the question to Cyan?
(12/11 21:52:28)  GoMeLeonardo: he hasn't replied to my PM of over a month ago...it was about confirmation of a Cyan approval
(12/11 21:52:34)  Luna(nne): reason "we are the only guild who keeps in game meetings"
(12/11 21:52:35)  Allan White: A throne for Leo.
(12/11 21:52:45)  GoMeLeonardo: the question to Cyan is if they can give us some "did you know" D
(12/11 21:52:46)  morning satelite: did you re-send it
(12/11 21:52:47)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(12/11 21:52:49)  Rick DB: Hehehe.
(12/11 21:52:54)  GoMe Marten: However, we could also try to ask questions from people who are past Cyantists, such as Staub or Larkin.
(12/11 21:52:54)  AgeExplorer: YAY I second that
(12/11 21:52:57)  laughingpineapple: Also a trone. Write it down.
(12/11 21:53:02)  AgeExplorer: ROTFL
(12/11 21:53:09)  Luna(nne): or the people behind cyan
(12/11 21:53:17)  Luna(nne): I mean all the other people who work there but we don't know
(12/11 21:53:18)  Rick DB: I would settle for a bean bag chair.  I'm not greedy.
(12/11 21:53:34)  Luna(nne): Tor'i or so
(12/11 21:53:43)  Tai'lahr: Maybe you could ask Ural to ask Tori next time he phones her.  ; )
(12/11 21:53:46)  Musica2: I found my Myst to Riven book. I think it's Gehn's age with the jagged rocks on the front
(12/11 21:53:49)  GoMeLeonardo: oh yeah. I'd love contact other people working at Cyan, if only I knew how
(12/11 21:53:52)  Allan White: Hi!
(12/11 21:53:54)  GoMeLeonardo: ciao gio ^^
(12/11 21:53:56)  morning satelite: hello
(12/11 21:54:02)  Luna(nne): maybe via Chogon
(12/11 21:54:05) Rick DB waves hello
(12/11 21:54:05)  GoMe Marten: Even Kat'ie, from the Ubi side of things... maybe there's more stories there we haven't heard that could come out now.
(12/11 21:54:09)  Musica2: Hi Giovanni
(12/11 21:54:10)  Szark: Shorah Giovanni
(12/11 21:54:10)  AgeExplorer: Shorah Giovanni
(12/11 21:54:15)  Luna(nne): ask him whether other people would be interested
(12/11 21:54:16)  laughingpineapple: Ciao Gio!
(12/11 21:54:27)  Luna(nne): Kat'ies has been silent for a loong time I think
(12/11 21:54:33)  Luna(nne): hi
(12/11 21:54:39)  GoMe Marten: She was working on Stargate Worlds but that folded.
(12/11 21:54:43)  GoMeLeonardo: I have Greydragon as friend on Facebook ^^
(12/11 21:54:50)  AgeExplorer: wiiii
(12/11 21:54:56)  Rick DB: Nice!
(12/11 21:55:04)  AgeExplorer: Wonderful
(12/11 21:55:56)  Rick DB: It'd be ideal if Rand would just stop in again, but...
(12/11 21:56:04)  GoMeLeonardo: mmmh yeah
(12/11 21:56:05)  Rick DB: Then you could just ask him. :)
(12/11 21:56:05)  GoMe Marten: Leo, did you say you don't know how to contact people?
(12/11 21:56:32)  GoMeLeonardo: I said I don't know how to contact other people working at cyan XD
(12/11 21:56:43)  AgeExplorer: hehe
(12/11 21:56:46)  Luna(nne): Rand tends to stop by when it is 3 am in Europe
(12/11 21:56:50)  Luna(nne): else I would ask him
(12/11 21:56:57)  Rick DB: Anyone in Spokane right now that wants to go knock on the door?
(12/11 21:57:00) Rick DB grins
(12/11 21:57:10)  GoMeLeonardo: Tai, do you have any news form the GoG? are they active in some way?
(12/11 21:57:22)  Luna(nne): I would so do that if I was in Spokane
(12/11 21:57:59)  Tai'lahr: No Leo, I'm sorry, I haven't been keeping up with what the GoG is doing.  I"m more involved with the Guild of Healers now.
(12/11 21:58:14)  Luna(nne): *knockknock* "Hi any news? got a copy of "from myst to riven" btw?"
(12/11 21:58:18)  GoMe Marten: Alamnat or Ashtar would be my choices for getting more contacts with Cyan folks.
(12/11 21:58:21)  GoMeLeonardo: oh ok....and I the GoH active? still meeting in SL?
(12/11 21:58:24) GoMe Marten sticks an 'h' in there.
(12/11 21:58:32)  Rick DB: From what I've seen, it's only Dadguy and ural that even come into the game anymore.  And as you know, ural is uh...the quiet type.
(12/11 21:59:13)  Tai'lahr: Yes, we hold meditations every Sunday in SL; but anyone can tune in to the Shoutcast broadcast.
(12/11 21:59:13)  Szark: very quiet
(12/11 21:59:13)  Luna(nne): Alahmnat hasn't been on MC in years I think
(12/11 21:59:40)  Luna(nne): so many people have left :(
(12/11 21:59:43)  GoMe Marten: Just PM him at MOUL.
(12/11 21:59:54)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll try all the ways I can to contact them! ^^
(12/11 22:00:13)  AgeExplorer: :)
(12/11 22:00:17)  laughingpineapple: You go Leo! :)
(12/11 22:00:17) Rick DB nods
(12/11 22:00:27)  AgeExplorer: YAY!!!!!
(12/11 22:00:30)  GoMeLeonardo: mmh...sorry that didn't sound much English structure XD
(12/11 22:00:31) Rick DB cheers
(12/11 22:00:36)  GoMe Marten: You could go through various artists pages on rel.to and try to contact others who worked on past Cyan projects too.
(12/11 22:00:46)  GoMeLeonardo: good
(12/11 22:00:49)  Tai'lahr: You could always just pick up the phone and call them like Ural does, I suppose.  ; )
(12/11 22:01:01)  GoMeLeonardo: I have also started looking at rel.to code and writing notes
(12/11 22:01:04)  Luna(nne): people tried to contact stephen martiniere
(12/11 22:01:16)  GoMeLeonardo: did they succeeded?
(12/11 22:01:17)  Luna(nne): it is still going I think, on MOUL forums
(12/11 22:01:17)  laughingpineapple: There's also the Mysteriacs. They may be worth a try.
(12/11 22:01:32)  Luna(nne): they did, but he has been too busy to answer questions it seems
(12/11 22:01:40)  Luna(nne): Mysteriacs has a better change
(12/11 22:01:40)  AgeExplorer: eeek
(12/11 22:01:43)  Luna(nne): *chance
(12/11 22:01:55)  Luna(nne): they often respond on blog comments
(12/11 22:02:21)  GoMeLeonardo: oh right....I think they have more time now..they shoudl be waiting for someone to finish re-writing the script or something
(12/11 22:02:48)  Luna(nne): yeah
(12/11 22:03:12)  Luna(nne): one of them wrote this sort of sarcastic blog thing and people thought it was real :P
(12/11 22:03:18)  Szark: but as Theremin said it would have to be info that is not on thier blog
(12/11 22:03:19)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(12/11 22:03:29)  AgeExplorer: hehehe
(12/11 22:03:48)  laughingpineapple: Oh come on, people are still falling for the "Zac Efron as Aitrus" thing? XD
(12/11 22:03:52)  Luna(nne): about how they visted party and met famous people all the time and picked out incredibly bad unfitting actors for the cast
(12/11 22:03:53)  GoMeLeonardo: yes Szark.....but what? they put even their pritave lives on there XD
(12/11 22:03:58)  AgeExplorer: HAHAHAHAHAHA
(12/11 22:04:01) Rick DB roars with laughter
(12/11 22:04:08)  AgeExplorer: ROTFL
(12/11 22:04:28)  Luna(nne): really reading the comments was so much fun :D
(12/11 22:04:35)  AgeExplorer: Oh please no I hope not pineapple
(12/11 22:04:43)  Luna(nne): it is a joke age
(12/11 22:04:50)  AgeExplorer: yeah I know
(12/11 22:04:54)  Luna(nne): some people just don't see that
(12/11 22:04:54)  laughingpineapple: The first time it came around, it was followed (of course) by Pattinson as Veovis and Stewart as Anna. I was laughing so hard IRL XD
(12/11 22:04:56)  AgeExplorer: but still that thought scares me
(12/11 22:04:56)  Rick DB: They couldn't wait for April 1st? :P
(12/11 22:05:12)  Luna(nne): but some uru people take /everything/ serious
(12/11 22:05:27)  Rick DB: Myst: Book of Twilight?
(12/11 22:05:29) Rick DB cringes
(12/11 22:05:36)  GoMeLeonardo: O_O
(12/11 22:05:38) Allan White screams
(12/11 22:05:41)  Allan White: NOOOOOOO!
(12/11 22:05:42)  AgeExplorer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(12/11 22:05:48)  Musica2: rotfl
(12/11 22:05:52)  Rick DB: I just got a little ill typing that.
(12/11 22:05:54)  GoMeLeonardo: ok, may I take you back to the elections subject for a little while?
(12/11 22:05:57) morning satelite is it good?
(12/11 22:06:03)  Musica2: briefly
(12/11 22:06:14)  Rick DB: Of course, Leo.  Sorry we veered off-topic there. :)
(12/11 22:06:15)  laughingpineapple: Everyone can sparkle in Kemo... sorry, sorry. Elections. Right.
(12/11 22:06:16)  Luna(nne): if you must
(12/11 22:06:31) Luna(nne) things hating twilight is a hype these days
(12/11 22:06:35)  Luna(nne): *thinks even
(12/11 22:06:49)  GoMeLeonardo: Now that we know we will have elections. Do any of you have an idea for the Votes collector? He must be someone from outside the guild
(12/11 22:06:54)  GoMe Marten: I don't know.  I'll harass this crowd before I leave.
(12/11 22:07:04)  AgeExplorer: LOL
(12/11 22:07:08)  GoMe Marten: Whoops :)  Er... you'll find out what that means in a bit.
(12/11 22:07:17)  GoMeLeonardo: or do we want to use an automatic one....we have always used a person
(12/11 22:07:19) Tai'lahr giggles.
(12/11 22:07:20)  morning satelite: lol
(12/11 22:07:28)  Rick DB: I suppose I can volunteer for that, as I'm primarily GoW.
(12/11 22:07:32)  Allan White: Actually, I was thinking of Marten. But that would mean he'd have no vote himself.
(12/11 22:07:34)  Tai'lahr: Ask OHBot!
(12/11 22:07:38)  AgeExplorer: Or I can do it
(12/11 22:07:52)  Luna(nne): I was also thinking of Marten as he is not going to uhm
(12/11 22:07:57)  Luna(nne): ugh
(12/11 22:08:05)  Allan White: Yes, exactly.
(12/11 22:08:06)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL, I said out of the Guild XD
(12/11 22:08:11)  Luna(nne): do whatever people do in order to get voted upon
(12/11 22:08:12)  Szark: lol
(12/11 22:08:24)  AgeExplorer: oh right yep can't be me then
(12/11 22:08:28)  AgeExplorer: :P
(12/11 22:08:45)  Tai'lahr: You could ask one of the nice MOUL mods like Mac or Mystdee.
(12/11 22:08:47)  Rick DB: That and I doubt you can be objective. ;)
(12/11 22:09:02)  AgeExplorer: :P
(12/11 22:09:06)  Luna(nne): "nice" MOUL mods :P
(12/11 22:09:21)  Tai'lahr: Wha?
(12/11 22:09:23) Rick DB laughs
(12/11 22:09:25)  GoMeLeonardo: I think we can trust Doobes, since he volunteered ^^
(12/11 22:09:37)  AgeExplorer: YAY!!!!
(12/11 22:09:37)  Szark: that is not a bad idea Tai
(12/11 22:09:39)  Luna(nne): that could be a reason to ......
(12/11 22:09:41) Rick DB grins
(12/11 22:09:56)  Allan White: I'd be fine with that.
(12/11 22:10:10)  Luna(nne): we are going to trust a writer?
(12/11 22:10:10)  Rick DB: Sounds good.  What would you need from me?
(12/11 22:10:16)  Luna(nne): okay
(12/11 22:10:17)  AgeExplorer: LOL
(12/11 22:10:33)  GoMeLeonardo: just being able to count the votes Doobes...and tell the truth XD
(12/11 22:10:34)  Rick DB: I'm not really a Writer per se.  More freelance. :)
(12/11 22:10:38) Luna(nne) just remembers she is technically one too
(12/11 22:10:42)  Rick DB: I can do that.
(12/11 22:10:43) Allan White starts to laugh
(12/11 22:11:15)  GoMeLeonardo: good, you're hired then. If nobody has something to say against it
(12/11 22:11:15)  Luna(nne): so we decided that
(12/11 22:11:23)  Luna(nne): where were we?
(12/11 22:11:24)  Rick DB: I would love to help.  I'm a GoMe enthusiast, so it would be my honor.
(12/11 22:11:25)  Allan White: Any active opposition?
(12/11 22:11:28)  AgeExplorer: Behave Doobes
(12/11 22:11:30)  Luna(nne): content for magazine?
(12/11 22:11:45)  Luna(nne): you mean we have a fan O_O
(12/11 22:11:46)  GoMeLeonardo: yeah content
(12/11 22:11:47)  Luna(nne): ?
(12/11 22:11:47)  Rick DB: Always do, Age.  Now YOU, on the other hand....LOL
(12/11 22:11:56)  GoMeLeonardo: we have 174 fan on Facebook XD
(12/11 22:12:01) AgeExplorer tries to look innocent
(12/11 22:12:27)  Luna(nne): they probably thought we were something else
(12/11 22:12:34)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL
(12/11 22:12:36)  Luna(nne): like people who think the GoW writes novels
(12/11 22:12:38)  AgeExplorer: LOL
(12/11 22:12:39)  laughingpineapple: XD
(12/11 22:12:42) Allan White thinks that might actually be true
(12/11 22:12:56)  Rick DB: Don't be so modest!  If it werent for your Guild, Kirel would be gathering dust at the moment. :)
(12/11 22:12:56)  laughingpineapple: And we do what, text each other?
(12/11 22:13:15)  AgeExplorer: I completely agree with that statement
(12/11 22:13:17) GoMeLeonardo starts to laugh
(12/11 22:13:19)  Allan White: Yes, Luna made Kirel the number one tourist attraction.
(12/11 22:13:28) laughingpineapple nods her head
(12/11 22:13:34)  AgeExplorer: But the cavern is always dusty I mean come on ;)
(12/11 22:13:42)  Luna(nne): I am modest. it isn''t like a slider I can change
(12/11 22:13:48)  Luna(nne): I did WHAT?
(12/11 22:13:52)  GoMeLeonardo: Try moving the slider
(12/11 22:13:58) Allan White laughs
(12/11 22:14:00)  AgeExplorer: HAHAHA
(12/11 22:14:04) laughingpineapple laughs
(12/11 22:14:06)  Rick DB: :P
(12/11 22:14:55)  Luna(nne): it wasn't very busy last btw
(12/11 22:15:00)  AgeExplorer: The slider is stuck
(12/11 22:15:01)  Tai'lahr: The GoMe has done some great work over the last few years.  I don't think y'all get enough recognition for all the hard work you do!
(12/11 22:15:09)  GoMeLeonardo: Christmax fault....I hope
(12/11 22:15:10)  Rick DB: Yes!
(12/11 22:15:41)  Szark: nice sentiment there Tai
(12/11 22:15:43)  Rick DB: Just oil it up, Age.
(12/11 22:15:57)  AgeExplorer: OMG oh no you did not
(12/11 22:16:01)  Allan White: That won't work. Saavedro jammed it. Again.
(12/11 22:16:07) Rick DB laughs
(12/11 22:16:14) AgeExplorer roars with laughter
(12/11 22:16:17)  Rick DB: Good ol' Saavy.
(12/11 22:16:34)  Szark: is there any other business as I hav a shoot to go to soon
(12/11 22:16:44) Rick DB glances to Leo
(12/11 22:16:52)  GoMeLeonardo: I don't think
(12/11 22:16:57)  GoMeLeonardo: I have finished my list
(12/11 22:17:10)  Luna(nne): uhm "Any other stuff"
(12/11 22:17:17)  Allan White: Varia?
(12/11 22:17:19)  Luna(nne): still anything for that one?
(12/11 22:17:26)  GoMe Marten: Right, in about 40 minutes there's this filming thing going on, hopefully some of you will attend :)
(12/11 22:17:30)  GoMeLeonardo: not from me
(12/11 22:17:48)  morning satelite: is that an order?
(12/11 22:17:52)  Musica2: you need victims oops extras?
(12/11 22:17:54)  laughingpineapple: Where is the filming thing?
(12/11 22:17:55)  Tai'lahr: lol
(12/11 22:18:08)  AgeExplorer: No harassing the actors
(12/11 22:18:13) Luna(nne) got stuff to do
(12/11 22:18:13)  AgeExplorer: :P
(12/11 22:18:15)  Musica2: Aegura LP
(12/11 22:18:23)  Rick DB: Ah.
(12/11 22:18:27)  GoMe Marten: Iniital gathering will be in The Great Tree Bevin, which will be on the nexus list as soon as I put it there again.  Some of the filming will be in Ae'gura tho.
(12/11 22:18:29) Allan White is a BAAAAD actor
(12/11 22:18:35)  Szark: I will be there marten wouldn't miss it for the world
(12/11 22:18:37) Rick DB is even worse
(12/11 22:18:58) AgeExplorer loves acting
(12/11 22:19:06)  Allan White: There was a news announcement on our site, by the way ^^
(12/11 22:19:07)  laughingpineapple: Very quick question: may I use the Guild logo as an icon on LJ, provided that I only use that icon forposts related to Myst/Uru news?
(12/11 22:19:10)  Luna(nne): o yeah does someone watch the subscriptions to the great tree forums btw?
(12/11 22:19:14)  Szark: acting like an.....#
(12/11 22:19:17)  GoMeLeonardo: Speaking of the documentaries. The translation for episode 11 is almost done. I only need to read it again
(12/11 22:19:40)  laughingpineapple: Thanks for the info on filming :)
(12/11 22:19:47)  Luna(nne): LJ?
(12/11 22:19:52)  GoMeLeonardo: LiveJournals
(12/11 22:19:53)  laughingpineapple: LiveJournal.
(12/11 22:19:54)  GoMe Marten: Great Leo.  That'll just leave Annick to finish 10 and 11 and there should be a whole set.
(12/11 22:20:29)  GoMeLeonardo: for the icon, I would say yes
(12/11 22:21:05)  Allan White: So that's been it, hasn't it?
(12/11 22:21:25)  Szark: which Icon/logo were you thinking of LP
(12/11 22:21:32)  GoMeLeonardo: Guild Logo
(12/11 22:22:12)  Szark: I have the original one if you want it LP
(12/11 22:22:19)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL marten is excited for filming, after all these years of hiatus
(12/11 22:22:20)  Tai'lahr: Gettin' antsy, Marten?
(12/11 22:22:24)  laughingpineapple: Thank you! It would be most helpful!
(12/11 22:22:27)  AgeExplorer: HEHE
(12/11 22:22:31)  Szark: all I need is a PM with your e-mail
(12/11 22:22:40)  GoMe Marten: Yah.  I gotta go set up.
(12/11 22:22:49)  GoMeLeonardo: I think we are done here ^^
(12/11 22:22:54)  GoMeLeonardo: Thank you all for coming!!!
(12/11 22:22:56)  morning satelite: k
(12/11 22:22:59) GoMe Marten waves goodbye
(12/11 22:22:59) Rick DB cheers
(12/11 22:23:02) GoMeLeonardo claps his hands
(12/11 22:23:04)  Allan White: Okay, so... It has been a great meeting!
(12/11 22:23:07) Allan White cheers
(12/11 22:23:07) Rick DB claps his hands
(12/11 22:23:07) Musica2 waves goodbye
(12/11 22:23:08) laughingpineapple claps her hands
(12/11 22:23:09)  Tai'lahr: Great job, folks!
(12/11 22:23:09)  morning satelite: well thanks for having me lol
(12/11 22:23:11) Tai'lahr claps her hands
(12/11 22:23:11) AgeExplorer cheers
(12/11 22:23:12) laughingpineapple waves goodbye
(12/11 22:23:12)  GoMeLeonardo: yeah! Great meeting!
(12/11 22:23:14) Musica2 cheers
(12/11 22:23:17)  Szark: nice seeing you all again
(12/11 22:23:21)  Tai'lahr: eeps
(12/11 22:23:24)  Luna(nne): just 2,5 hours or so
(12/11 22:23:28)  Luna(nne): not that long
(12/11 22:23:30)  Luna(nne): :P
(12/11 22:23:31)  AgeExplorer: HAHA
(12/11 22:23:34)  Tai'lahr: Good seeing you all again.  Keep up the good work!
(12/11 22:23:35)  Allan White: That was pretty fast.
(12/11 22:23:38) Tai'lahr salutes
(12/11 22:23:44)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL Luna...almost like AGMs XD
(12/11 22:23:52)  Allan White: I mean, there were two whole items to discuss.
(12/11 22:23:54)  Luna(nne): I remember the times I could leave for dinner and cone back again to talk on
(12/11 22:23:57)  Luna(nne): *come
(12/11 22:23:59)  Luna(nne): :P
(12/11 22:24:04)  GoMeLeonardo: hihi
(12/11 22:24:05)  Luna(nne): for several hours
(12/11 22:24:08)  AgeExplorer: hehe
(12/11 22:24:29)  morning satelite: still could happen
(12/11 22:24:29)  Szark: ok folks I am away to get ready
(12/11 22:24:35)  GoMeLeonardo: morning have you looked at the KiMail of our jobs?
(12/11 22:24:37)  Szark: catch you all soon
(12/11 22:24:41)  Luna(nne): yeah we write down two points but we always cover more stuff
(12/11 22:24:42)  GoMeLeonardo: bye Szark!
(12/11 22:24:45) Szark waves goodbye
(12/11 22:24:46)  Luna(nne): see ya Szark
(12/11 22:24:49)  Allan White: Bye, Szarkie!
(12/11 22:24:50)  morning satelite: anyone going to write an article about the filming of....
(12/11 22:24:51)  laughingpineapple: Bye Szark!
(12/11 22:24:56)  AgeExplorer: bye Szark
(12/11 22:25:07)  Luna(nne): not yet, but of you want to
(12/11 22:25:10)  GoMeLeonardo: oh....didn't thin kof that
(12/11 22:25:28)  morning satelite: actual news eh
(12/11 22:25:32)  morning satelite: a novelty
(12/11 22:25:48)  Luna(nne): it will only be some time before the magazine is published so you might want to do the next one
(12/11 22:25:51)  Rick DB: So yes...what do I need to do at this moment for the elections?  Anything?
(12/11 22:26:04)  Luna(nne): learn counting
(12/11 22:26:05)  GoMeLeonardo: oh right
(12/11 22:26:07)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(12/11 22:26:14)  GoMeLeonardo: yeah learn counting
(12/11 22:26:19)  Rick DB: Done and done.
(12/11 22:26:22) AgeExplorer laughs
(12/11 22:26:23)  Allan White: And practise being objective.
(12/11 22:26:23) Rick DB laughs
(12/11 22:26:33)  Rick DB: That I can do.
(12/11 22:26:35)  GoMeLeonardo: no seriously, for now just try to keep up with out elections
(12/11 22:26:39)  Luna(nne): in D'ni?
(12/11 22:26:43)  Rick DB: 1, 1, 1.....1....1
(12/11 22:26:52)  morning satelite: "cough"
(12/11 22:26:54) AgeExplorer laughs
(12/11 22:26:56)  Rick DB: Gotcha.  If anything comes up, you can always let me know on Skype.
(12/11 22:26:59)  Allan White: That was a good try, Doobes.
(12/11 22:27:07)  GoMeLeonardo: when it's the time to actually vote you can give us an email address where we will send you our votes
(12/11 22:27:12)  Luna(nne): just do better next time :P
(12/11 22:27:17)  Rick DB: It's a vidoe on Youtube.  Saavedro trying to count. :P
(12/11 22:27:22)  Rick DB: *video
(12/11 22:27:26)  Allan White: ...what?!
(12/11 22:27:26)  Luna(nne): o yeah
(12/11 22:27:34)  AgeExplorer: HAHAHAHA
(12/11 22:27:36)  Luna(nne): I think I saw that one
(12/11 22:27:45)  Allan White: I MUST look for that.
(12/11 22:27:49)  Rick DB: OK.  The one I have now is kind of long.  I'll get a new, simpler one for them to use.
(12/11 22:28:16)  GoMeLeonardo: ok. or I can set up a temporary GoMe email for that
(12/11 22:28:27)  Luna(nne): vote@guildofmessengers.com
(12/11 22:28:35)  Rick DB: That could work too.
(12/11 22:28:37)  Allan White: I thought of that too, but I think it's better if it's completely external.
(12/11 22:28:38)  GoMeLeonardo: yeah would be nice
(12/11 22:28:45)  GoMeLeonardo: external? ok
(12/11 22:28:47)  Rick DB: Probably hotmail, if that's OK.
(12/11 22:28:50)  Luna(nne): votegome@gmail.com then
(12/11 22:28:52)  Rick DB: Or Gmail.
(12/11 22:28:55)  Rick DB: Heh.
(12/11 22:28:57)  Allan White: Otherwise evil people (such as myself) could try to manipulate the elections.
(12/11 22:28:58)  AgeExplorer: hehe
(12/11 22:28:59)  GoMeLeonardo: as you prefer Doobes
(12/11 22:29:01)  Luna(nne): probably won;t be taken yet
(12/11 22:29:02)  morning satelite: why dont you use an online poll
(12/11 22:29:07)  GoMeLeonardo: hehh
(12/11 22:29:17)  Rick DB: Whatever the case, I will forward the address to you when I make it.
(12/11 22:29:20)  GoMeLeonardo: tradition morning
(12/11 22:29:43)  morning satelite: lol
(12/11 22:29:50)  GoMeLeonardo: ^^
(12/11 22:29:56)  Luna(nne): do.. election candidates(?) have to promote and stuff?
(12/11 22:30:06)  GoMeLeonardo: mmmh....if you want XD
(12/11 22:30:14)  AgeExplorer: LOL
(12/11 22:30:15)  Rick DB: You mean like "I'm Leonardo and I approve this message?"  LOL
(12/11 22:30:25)  AgeExplorer: Yes I like that
(12/11 22:30:25)  Luna(nne): I mean like ""vote for me"
(12/11 22:30:41)  Allan White: "Vote for Lunanne - the heroine of Kirel"
(12/11 22:30:46)  morning satelite: yes you need the blurb
(12/11 22:30:46)  Luna(nne): no
(12/11 22:30:51)  Luna(nne): that sounds so wrong
(12/11 22:30:58)  GoMeLeonardo: things like "I'm Leonardo, I will bring more freedom, less taxes....bigger magazine etc" XD
(12/11 22:31:03)  Luna(nne): yeah
(12/11 22:31:04) Rick DB cheers
(12/11 22:31:07)  AgeExplorer: wiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
(12/11 22:31:10)  Luna(nne): not that we pay taxes
(12/11 22:31:15)  Allan White: Less taxes? I'm voting for you!
(12/11 22:31:20)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(12/11 22:31:20)  Luna(nne): (honestly heroine sounds like heroin)
(12/11 22:31:26)  Rick DB: Say no taxes and I'll vote for ya twice!
(12/11 22:31:27)  Allan White: LOL
(12/11 22:31:29)  Rick DB: Wait....
(12/11 22:31:33)  GoMeLeonardo: the heroin of Kirel XD
(12/11 22:31:40)  Luna(nne): (and I am dutch, I have those associations)
(12/11 22:31:47)  AgeExplorer: LOL
(12/11 22:31:56)  laughingpineapple: XD
(12/11 22:31:57) AgeExplorer roars with laughter
(12/11 22:32:17)  Rick DB: I suppose I can't vote as I'm counting said votes?
(12/11 22:32:24)  Allan White: (why did I say Kirel, I meant K'veer...)
(12/11 22:32:27)  laughingpineapple: Can I do electoral banners for the candidates? :p
(12/11 22:32:29)  Luna(nne): but I say...more fun and weekly cake
(12/11 22:32:36)  GoMeLeonardo: mmh...vote is restricted to Guild members XD
(12/11 22:32:37)  Rick DB: CAKE!
(12/11 22:32:42)  Rick DB: Ah.
(12/11 22:32:43)  AgeExplorer: mmmmmmh
(12/11 22:32:45)  Luna(nne): which might be or not be a lie
(12/11 22:32:51)  GoMeLeonardo: Cake is a Lie!!! Vote for Leo!
(12/11 22:32:52)  AgeExplorer: LOL
(12/11 22:33:03) AgeExplorer cheers
(12/11 22:33:04)  Rick DB: Those that say it's a lie do so because they want it all for themselves.
(12/11 22:33:10) Rick DB grins
(12/11 22:33:12)  GoMeLeonardo: :D
(12/11 22:33:16)  Allan White: Vote for me... so Lunanne won't be elected.
(12/11 22:33:17)  Luna(nne): of course :P
(12/11 22:33:21)  Luna(nne): why share
(12/11 22:33:22)  morning satelite: theres enoug to share
(12/11 22:33:25) GoMeLeonardo hides the cake behind the imager
(12/11 22:33:33)  Rick DB: I saw that you!
(12/11 22:33:35)  Rick DB: :P
(12/11 22:33:37) GoMeLeonardo cowers
(12/11 22:33:38)  Luna(nne): It doesn't fit through the usbport anyway
(12/11 22:33:42)  AgeExplorer: HAHAHA
(12/11 22:33:48)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(12/11 22:33:50) morning satelite shares her cake
(12/11 22:33:51)  Allan White: We'll need an adapter then.
(12/11 22:33:58)  Rick DB: Remember to share with the rest of the class.
(12/11 22:34:20)  Luna(nne): I am the only one of my class :P
(12/11 22:34:27)  GoMeLeonardo: hihihi
(12/11 22:34:28)  AgeExplorer: haha
(12/11 22:34:31)  Rick DB: Then more for you .  Yay!
(12/11 22:34:31) morning satelite starts to laugh
(12/11 22:35:01)  Luna(nne): we should host gome meetings as comedy stand up :P
(12/11 22:35:10)  GoMeLeonardo: ^^
(12/11 22:35:18)  Allan White: Yeah, I've been thinking that too.
(12/11 22:35:19)  Luna(nne): we would probably get a larger audience
(12/11 22:35:28)  Rick DB: I would LOVE that.
(12/11 22:35:32)  AgeExplorer: AWESOME
(12/11 22:35:45) Rick DB can think of some entertaining shenanigans
(12/11 22:35:45) morning satelite thinks it would be funny
(12/11 22:35:56)  Allan White: That would be the death for the Guild of Comedians (again).
(12/11 22:35:57)  Luna(nne): "Come and Laugh at the GoMe meetings"
(12/11 22:36:03)  Allan White: Exactly.
(12/11 22:36:24)  GoMeLeonardo: I always have so much fun in these meetings XD
(12/11 22:36:31)  Luna(nne): "active commitment requited from audience, at least one article for the magazine"
(12/11 22:36:38)  Luna(nne): "per person"
(12/11 22:36:39)  GoMeLeonardo: YAYAY!!!
(12/11 22:36:41)  Rick DB: This was my first and it was a barrel of laughs.  Good times.
(12/11 22:36:44)  laughingpineapple: Could work XD
(12/11 22:36:44)  Allan White: Me too. I always look forward to them.
(12/11 22:36:49)  laughingpineapple: Same here!
(12/11 22:36:59)  Luna(nne): why do you people forget about them then?
(12/11 22:37:03)  AgeExplorer: I love these meetings
(12/11 22:37:12)  GoMeLeonardo: eheheh. It was my fault XD
(12/11 22:37:25)  GoMeLeonardo: I didn't have much to say :P
(12/11 22:37:32)  Luna(nne): I mean I had to remember you in summer, and now again....
(12/11 22:37:33)  Allan White: Umm - YES! It was all Leo's fault! XD
(12/11 22:37:48)  Rick DB: It's quite alright Leo.
(12/11 22:37:56)  Rick DB: We were able to fill the time anyway. :)
(12/11 22:37:56)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll vote for you then Luna :D
(12/11 22:38:02)  AgeExplorer: No it was Net 6 I blame Net 6
(12/11 22:38:13)  Luna(nne): but it seems like I won't be on a long holiday this summer so it will be alright this year XD
(12/11 22:38:16)  Rick DB: Curse you Net siiiiiiiiiix!
(12/11 22:38:18)  Allan White: We should introduce an automatical internal newsletter just to remind us of the meetings.
(12/11 22:38:20) Rick DB is a bit upset...
(12/11 22:38:23)  GoMeLeonardo: poor Age, you're the only one who suffered of Net6 today
(12/11 22:38:30) <sniffle> AgeExplorer is sad
(12/11 22:38:37)  Rick DB: I know.  What's with that?
(12/11 22:38:56)  Rick DB: I've been lagging like crazy since I got here and nothing happened to me.
(12/11 22:39:11)  Luna(nne): I haven't even been lagging...
(12/11 22:39:26)  GoMeLeonardo: lagging? I have no lag. oh well, but I usually have no lag even during AllGulsMeetings XD
(12/11 22:39:30)  Rick DB: Probably my comp and not the server.  I did exit out of SL before I came here.
(12/11 22:39:45)  AgeExplorer: I don't lag but occasionally I crash
(12/11 22:39:47)  Luna(nne): hmm yeah wrtiers chat somehow doesn't cause a lot of load
(12/11 22:39:56)  Luna(nne): *writers'
(12/11 22:40:22) Rick DB is still glad he doesn't have to rez anything here
(12/11 22:40:32)  AgeExplorer: omg rezzing
(12/11 22:40:34) AgeExplorer cowers
(12/11 22:40:36)  Luna(nne): rez?
(12/11 22:40:44)  GoMeLeonardo: ok guys. I'm out for now. Going to see if I can get a piece of panettone, we have people at home XD
(12/11 22:41:00)  Allan White: Pannetone? ENVY!
(12/11 22:41:04)  GoMeLeonardo: :P
(12/11 22:41:05)  morning satelite: nite leo
(12/11 22:41:13)  GoMeLeonardo: it's christmas....time for panettone
(12/11 22:41:14)  Allan White: Good night!
(12/11 22:41:14)  Rick DB: G'night to ya Leo!
(12/11 22:41:16)  Luna(nne): indeed envy..
(12/11 22:41:21)  Luna(nne): see ya
(12/11 22:41:25)  laughingpineapple: Mmmh, panettone. G'night Leo!
(12/11 22:41:26) Allan White waves goodbye
(12/11 22:41:31)  AgeExplorer: goodnight Leo
(12/11 22:41:35) Rick DB waves goodbye
(12/11 22:41:37)  GoMeLeonardo: see you!! I'll post the log, the summary and the election threads!
(12/11 22:41:45) Thumbs up from Allan White
(12/11 22:41:52)  Rick DB: Sounds good.  Keep me posted on what I should be doing, k?
 

2010, June 19th Chatlog: GoMe Meeting

Original thread can be found here: http://www.guildofmessengers.com/en/forum/topic/guild-meeting

(06/19 17:28:59) Chat.log started...
(06/19 17:44:56)  GoMeLeonardo: We're ready to start then!
(06/19 17:45:02)  Luna(nne): made it in time :D
(06/19 17:45:07)  AgeExplorer: i'm here as a spectator don't mind me
(06/19 17:45:15)  Tanshin: So, Leop if you want to start intros
(06/19 17:45:18)  Tanshin: *Leo
(06/19 17:45:19)  GoMeLeonardo: Ok AgeExplorer. Felle free to participate
(06/19 17:45:22)  GoMeLeonardo: *feel
(06/19 17:45:25)  AgeExplorer: kk
(06/19 17:45:31)  Tanshin: We're all just full of typos today
(06/19 17:45:38)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll start my intro
(06/19 17:46:03)  GoMeLeonardo: Ok. I'm Leonardo, curently I'm on of the members of the Council of the GoMe
(06/19 17:46:11)  GoMeLeonardo: the other one is Theremin
(06/19 17:46:23)  GoMeLeonardo: I'm also the webmaster of the website
(06/19 17:46:44)  GoMeLeonardo: my jobs are mainly of coordination for the GoMe
(06/19 17:47:04)  GoMeLeonardo: I come from Italy, Europe. UTC+2 timezone (in summer)
(06/19 17:47:28)  GoMeLeonardo: uhm....and that s allI think XD
(06/19 17:47:32)  Allan White: I'm Allan, and I'm a Cavern Crier, the German translator and Leo's Co-Webmaster. I live in Switzerland, that's the same time zone as Leo's.
(06/19 17:47:57) Tanshin waves hello
(06/19 17:47:59)  Allan White: That's all there's to say about me, I think. XD
(06/19 17:48:19)  Luna(nne): me?
(06/19 17:48:23)  Tanshin: Sure
(06/19 17:48:23)  GoMeLeonardo: yep ^^
(06/19 17:48:29)  Tanshin: Age, are you texting me again?
(06/19 17:48:37)  AgeExplorer: Nope
(06/19 17:48:40)  AgeExplorer: Lol
(06/19 17:48:43)  Tanshin: Must be my phone :P
(06/19 17:48:48)  Luna(nne): I'm lunanne, dutch translator and editor of the newspaper
(06/19 17:49:02) To Musica2: Meeting is just started here if you're interested :)
(06/19 17:49:10) Tanshin waves hello
(06/19 17:49:13)  LThyme: My turn?
(06/19 17:49:15) From Kaelis Ebonrai in Kaelis Ebonrai's Relto: gack!
(06/19 17:49:17)  GoMeLeonardo: Kaelis and Musica on their way
(06/19 17:49:22) From Kaelis Ebonrai in Kaelis Ebonrai's Relto: slorry i'm late, thought it was later!
(06/19 17:49:24)  Allan White: Lovely.
(06/19 17:49:25) To Kaelis Ebonrai: shorah ^^
(06/19 17:49:29) From Musica2 in Guild of Messengers' Bevin: ooops be right there
(06/19 17:49:30)  Tanshin: Oh goody, I knew people would fill in
(06/19 17:49:31)  Luna(nne): sure
(06/19 17:49:31) To Kaelis Ebonrai: eheh, evil timezones
(06/19 17:49:32)  AgeExplorer: yeah Kaelis is online
(06/19 17:49:36) AgeExplorer cheers
(06/19 17:50:01)  GoMeLeonardo: yes, LThyme
(06/19 17:50:16)  LThyme: I'm LostThyme. I recently joined the newspaper as reporter. I'm from Central Time zone US (GMT-6)
(06/19 17:50:34) LThyme says hey
(06/19 17:50:37)  GoMeLeonardo: Our newr member!!!
(06/19 17:50:39)  Allan White: Shorah Musica!
(06/19 17:50:39) GoMeLeonardo claps his hands
(06/19 17:50:43)  AgeExplorer: Shorah Musica
(06/19 17:50:46)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah Musica
(06/19 17:50:53)  Tanshin: Me?
(06/19 17:50:58)  GoMeLeonardo: Yes Tan
(06/19 17:51:03)  Musica2: Hi everyone. My vocal rehearsal ran ov er
(06/19 17:51:03)  Tanshin: Alrighty then
(06/19 17:51:11) To Musica2: we're still at the intros
(06/19 17:51:30) From Kaelis Ebonrai in (null) Kirel: got my shirt, whew
(06/19 17:51:43) To Kaelis Ebonrai: don't worry we're still at the intros
(06/19 17:51:54)  Tanshin: I'm Tanshin/Tanny. I currently have an Admin badge on the site, but haven't been able to do much with it yet. I'm also a messenger, but with Irissa's disappearance I haven't done much with that either
(06/19 17:52:02)  Tanshin: I'm currently working on the layout for the magazine
(06/19 17:52:08)  Tanshin: It's coming along quite nicely!
(06/19 17:52:11) LThyme cheers
(06/19 17:52:17) GoMeLeonardo cheers
(06/19 17:52:21)  Tanshin: I'll have to share what I have so far eventually
(06/19 17:52:33)  Tanshin: I'm in the eastern time zone, hence my hood
(06/19 17:52:37) Luna(nne) would like to see it
(06/19 17:52:39)  Tanshin: And that's about it I guess
(06/19 17:53:03) LThyme waves hello
(06/19 17:53:03)  Tanshin: So, Age you're up I guess
(06/19 17:53:05)  Allan White: Kaelis!
(06/19 17:53:07)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah Kaelis
(06/19 17:53:11)  AgeExplorer: shorah Kaelis
(06/19 17:53:16)  Luna(nne): shorah kaelis
(06/19 17:53:23)  Musica2: hi Kaelis
(06/19 17:53:25)  Tanshin: Have anything to share Age?
(06/19 17:53:47)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Ahoy, all!
(06/19 17:53:57)  AgeExplorer: Hmm not that I can think of except to say that age is coming along nicely
(06/19 17:54:06)  Kaelis Ebonrai: sorry I'm so late, timezones :<
(06/19 17:54:07)  Tanshin: He's in Eastern Time Zone as well
(06/19 17:54:19)  Musica2: so am I
(06/19 17:54:20)  Tanshin: A member of my hood
(06/19 17:54:34)  Kaelis Ebonrai: and all-round awesome guy, Age is
(06/19 17:54:35)  Tanshin: One of the people who were trying to free our poor firemarble yesterday
(06/19 17:54:40) AgeExplorer cheers
(06/19 17:54:43)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL
(06/19 17:54:47)  Tanshin: He took OHBot out of Ae'gura too
(06/19 17:54:48)  LThyme: haha
(06/19 17:55:03)  Tanshin: After I spammed his computer with skype calls and texted him :P
(06/19 17:55:09)  AgeExplorer: Yeah but i still say Tanshin saved the day for getting my attention
(06/19 17:55:09)  Kaelis Ebonrai: aww :<
(06/19 17:55:12)  Kaelis Ebonrai: poor ohbot
(06/19 17:55:18)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(06/19 17:55:30)  GoMeLeonardo: Musica's turn
(06/19 17:55:31)  AgeExplorer: It is currently a nightmare situation
(06/19 17:55:32) Tanshin bows
(06/19 17:55:43)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I think OHB is handling it fine. =P
(06/19 17:55:53)  AgeExplorer: Yeah he is a trooper
(06/19 17:56:03)  Tanshin: There are people who would say "I'm not dealing with it. It's there so so be it"
(06/19 17:56:07) LThyme nods her head
(06/19 17:56:10)  Musica2: Well, I'm a member of the DMR with this Avvie and the DMOA with Musica and Allan got me in.
(06/19 17:56:13)  Tanshin: Then there's OHB who finds the best compromise
(06/19 17:56:18)  GoMeLeonardo: com eback intopic please XD
(06/19 17:56:21) Tanshin waves hello
(06/19 17:56:28)  AgeExplorer: Will do my fault
(06/19 17:56:34)  AgeExplorer: i apologize
(06/19 17:56:38)  GoMeLeonardo: don't worry
(06/19 17:56:42)  GoMeLeonardo: Musica?
(06/19 17:56:47)  Tanshin: She introed
(06/19 17:56:54)  GoMeLeonardo: ah LOL, I missed it
(06/19 17:56:55)  Musica2: We want to bring more music into the cavern and so far so good. Hopefully the broadcasts will continue
(06/19 17:57:01)  LThyme: yay
(06/19 17:57:08)  Tanshin: "Well, I'm a member of the DMR hood with this Avvie and the DMOA with Musica and Allan got me in"
(06/19 17:57:16)  Musica2: I also have some journalism experience and have a couple ideas for newspaper articles
(06/19 17:57:25) LThyme cheers
(06/19 17:57:28)  Tanshin: Oh, that reminds me
(06/19 17:57:35)  Luna(nne): great!
(06/19 17:57:36)  GoMeLeonardo: Great
(06/19 17:57:44) LThyme waves hello
(06/19 17:57:46)  GoMeLeonardo: Shorah Kurtiss
(06/19 17:57:48)  Tanshin: If you could send me some article ideas, that would be great
(06/19 17:57:49) Allan White waves hello
(06/19 17:57:51)  AgeExplorer: shorah Kurtiss
(06/19 17:57:57)  Tanshin: It helps to fill the layout with more accurate content
(06/19 17:57:59)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Ahoy, kurtiss
(06/19 17:58:05)  KurtissMan: Hi everyone!
(06/19 17:58:36)  Tanshin: So, who else need to intro?
(06/19 17:58:46)  Luna(nne): I think we need to set up a newsmagazie meeting too
(06/19 17:58:52) LThyme nods her head
(06/19 17:58:59)  Kaelis Ebonrai: possibly yeah.
(06/19 17:59:21)  Luna(nne): since I am currently at a loss what to do :P
(06/19 17:59:22)  GoMeLeonardo: This meeting is mainly for the Newspaper ^^, but you can set up every meeting you want
(06/19 17:59:28)  Luna(nne): but anyway what is on topic?
(06/19 17:59:39)  Luna(nne): well, there min isn't here
(06/19 17:59:45)  Luna(nne): Theremin
(06/19 17:59:45)  GoMeLeonardo: Subject: NEWSPAPER
(06/19 17:59:55)  Tanshin: Well, technically according to my dummy content in my layout, we have OHBot in there, so OHBot was kinda on topic
(06/19 17:59:57)  GoMeLeonardo: let's start with this
(06/19 18:00:01)  Luna(nne): okay we were on topic , lol
(06/19 18:00:08)  GoMeLeonardo: lol
(06/19 18:00:12)  AgeExplorer: Hehe
(06/19 18:00:26)  GoMeLeonardo: So the relaunch is coming out nicely
(06/19 18:00:28)  Tanshin: I have some "reactions" in my dummy letters page
(06/19 18:00:55)  Luna(nne): we'll also have an international page(s)
(06/19 18:01:00)  Kaelis Ebonrai: i hope they were positive, as the reactions to the latest stuff was, overwhelmingly >.>
(06/19 18:01:08)  Luna(nne): with news from the community
(06/19 18:01:08)  Tanshin: Muma, you're going to have to ask on Ae'gura. We're currently holding ameeting so we can't help right now
(06/19 18:01:20)  Kaelis Ebonrai: forums - less so, but in-cavern, it was overwhelmingly positive, in the times i saw it happen. =P
(06/19 18:01:36)  Tanshin: Right now the samples are more of a fusion of anything that I've seen
(06/19 18:01:53)  Tanshin: Positive, negative, and in between
(06/19 18:02:07) Allan White cheers
(06/19 18:02:07)  LThyme: Will there be a calendar of upcoming events in the newspaper?
(06/19 18:02:09) LThyme cheers
(06/19 18:02:16)  Tanshin: I'm not sure about events
(06/19 18:02:21) KurtissMan cheers
(06/19 18:02:26)  Tanshin: Mainly because I understand it will be quarterly or bimonthly
(06/19 18:02:26) KurtissMan cheers
(06/19 18:02:33)  LThyme: Ah... yeah
(06/19 18:02:40)  Luna(nne): yeah events can better be found on the website
(06/19 18:02:40)  Tanshin: We could probably have some in there
(06/19 18:02:43)  Luna(nne): or ki-mail
(06/19 18:02:54)  Tanshin: Maybe some fake ads for the Guild Fair or something
(06/19 18:02:57)  LThyme: Oh, Allatwan's online now.
(06/19 18:03:02)  GoMeLeonardo: probably we could post the Recurring events on the Newspaper too
(06/19 18:03:09)  KurtissMan: go germany!
(06/19 18:03:12)  Tanshin: Yeah, that was also what I was thinking
(06/19 18:03:12) KurtissMan cheers
(06/19 18:03:14)  Luna(nne): yeah maybe those
(06/19 18:03:18)  LThyme: yeah, and maybe recurring D'ni holidays?
(06/19 18:03:20)  Tanshin: Recurring events will be nice to advertise
(06/19 18:03:21)  Kaelis Ebonrai: no progress on on the guild Age, mostly just waiting on Cyan to do their bits and pieces for fan content
(06/19 18:03:22)  GoMeLeonardo: posting other events isn't possible
(06/19 18:03:24)  Tanshin: Ooh, holidays would be nice
(06/19 18:03:27)  LThyme: I always miss those
(06/19 18:03:30)  Kaelis Ebonrai: (just as an aside)
(06/19 18:03:41)  AgeExplorer: aren't we all Kaelis :)
(06/19 18:03:44) Tanshin gets a pen to write this down
(06/19 18:03:53)  GoMeLeonardo: D'ni Holidays are on our Calendar too XD
(06/19 18:03:56)  Tanshin: Hey, where did my pen go?
(06/19 18:03:58)  LThyme: hehe
(06/19 18:04:02)  AgeExplorer: Lol
(06/19 18:04:09)  Tanshin: You should see my desk
(06/19 18:04:10)  Kaelis Ebonrai: D'ni holidays would be nice in the magazine, i'd say, as they don't change.
(06/19 18:04:11)  Tanshin: It's horrifying
(06/19 18:04:16)  AgeExplorer: Haha
(06/19 18:04:20)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Tan: probably not as bad as mine >.>
(06/19 18:04:25)  LThyme: haha, mine's bad too
(06/19 18:04:27)  Tanshin: I'll just use my red pen I guess
(06/19 18:04:27)  GoMeLeonardo: They change slightly actually XD
(06/19 18:04:36)  Tanshin: The only clean area is the space over my pen tablet
(06/19 18:04:46)  AgeExplorer: :D
(06/19 18:04:48)  Tanshin: Musica has a great idea
(06/19 18:04:55)  Luna(nne): hmm apart from ohbot , LT? was going to do an article on subrestarreanen restorations too
(06/19 18:04:57)  GoMeLeonardo: what?
(06/19 18:05:09)  Luna(nne): or how ever it is written
(06/19 18:05:10)  Tanshin: She might interview on Mireena (and Miranna) about the DMOA
(06/19 18:05:12)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Luna: I'm a member.
(06/19 18:05:19)  Luna(nne): what idea musica?
(06/19 18:05:26) Thumbs up from GoMeLeonardo
(06/19 18:05:34)  Kaelis Ebonrai: so, if you'd like to poke me for stuff, i can run through stuff with the others. =)
(06/19 18:05:36)  Luna(nne): @kaelis I like it the name is just really hard to type for me
(06/19 18:06:09)  Kaelis Ebonrai: nono, i mean, i can help you with getting in contact with people =D
(06/19 18:06:09)  Luna(nne): but that sounds good though
(06/19 18:06:14)  Luna(nne): yeah :P
(06/19 18:06:21)  LThyme: If you have ideas for articles best send them to me online or to Allatwan. Or if you can help me. :)
(06/19 18:06:27)  Tanshin: And me as well
(06/19 18:06:32)  Tanshin: It helps for dummy content
(06/19 18:06:37) LThyme nods her head
(06/19 18:06:43)  Tanshin: It's hard to grab things out of your head
(06/19 18:06:45)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I'll need to get to the whole lovely column stuff, if you want it =)
(06/19 18:06:50)  GoMeLeonardo: well....start with sending them to Theremin XD
(06/19 18:06:58)  LThyme: probably the best idea
(06/19 18:06:59)  LThyme: :P
(06/19 18:07:02)  Tanshin: I have a good amount of archives from before from blutec
(06/19 18:07:03)  Luna(nne): I'll start contacting people for the international page(s)
(06/19 18:07:06)  Tanshin: It's on my dropbox
(06/19 18:07:06)  Kaelis Ebonrai: annoyingly, the gow is the most quiet, at the moment, that it has been for ages
(06/19 18:07:21)  Tanshin: So, here's what I have in the layout right now
(06/19 18:07:31)  Tanshin: "From the Source" which is a letter from the editor
(06/19 18:07:32)  Musica2: Luna(anne), I just mentioned the possiblity of either writing about the many groups of families in Moula or request Mireena give me an intnerview
(06/19 18:07:36)  GoMeLeonardo: what are you thinking about the INternational page Luna? I could help with italian
(06/19 18:07:39)  AgeExplorer: oh yeah totally agree with that not much going on in GOW
(06/19 18:07:49)  Tanshin: "Fromt he Explorers" which would be like letters to the editor
(06/19 18:07:58)  Luna(nne): just some news from the community doesn't have to be very fresh for the first edition
(06/19 18:07:58)  AgeExplorer: its been quiet recently
(06/19 18:08:06)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Age: I was going to do a GoW Column =P
(06/19 18:08:08)  Tanshin: I plan to put a dummy feature page, and since I have a lovely picture from K'veer, I'll use that
(06/19 18:08:21)  Kaelis Ebonrai: (stuff happening of late, etc.. but nothing is, right now)
(06/19 18:08:23)  Luna(nne): like in the dutch myst community there was a meeting last, so I'l probably write something abou tthat
(06/19 18:08:34)  Tanshin: Staff page, I was considering putting on the same page as the events
(06/19 18:08:47) LThyme nods her head
(06/19 18:08:47)  Tanshin: Maybe an event column on the left, staff column on the right
(06/19 18:08:49)  Luna(nne): just something that is important in a way for that community
(06/19 18:08:54)  Luna(nne): yeah
(06/19 18:08:55)  GoMeLeonardo: The italian community is having a Heek Tournament
(06/19 18:08:59) Luna(nne) catches up
(06/19 18:09:11)  Tanshin: That might be a neat thing to cover
(06/19 18:09:12)  Tanshin: OOH
(06/19 18:09:16)  Tanshin: Cavern Sports
(06/19 18:09:28)  AgeExplorer: Yeah that sounds like a good idea there
(06/19 18:09:28)  Tanshin: Jalak Games, Heek Tourneys, Sardines Games
(06/19 18:09:32)  LThyme: That Riven game show might be something we could cover
(06/19 18:09:37)  Luna(nne): @leonardo : yeah something like that
(06/19 18:09:42)  Tanshin: When it actually happens, the Riven game
(06/19 18:09:43)  Kaelis Ebonrai: tanshin's? =D
(06/19 18:09:52)  Tanshin: Hopefully it will come next week
(06/19 18:09:56)  AgeExplorer: yeah I am excited for that
(06/19 18:09:57)  Tanshin: Ooh, this reminds me
(06/19 18:09:58)  LThyme: Oh, are you in charge? XD
(06/19 18:10:03)  Kaelis Ebonrai: also, i wish clarke hadm
(06/19 18:10:05)  KurtissMan: gotta go cya XD
(06/19 18:10:06)  Luna(nne): and other partes too maybe from the different forums
(06/19 18:10:08)  LThyme: bye
(06/19 18:10:10)  Luna(nne): bye
(06/19 18:10:11)  Allan White: Bye.
(06/19 18:10:13)  Kaelis Ebonrai: *hadn't;ve opened his mouth and said "in a momth!"
(06/19 18:10:13)  Tanshin: I need to talk to OHB to get that Public site backended
(06/19 18:10:16)  AgeExplorer: See ya
(06/19 18:10:28)  AgeExplorer: Which public site
(06/19 18:10:28)  Kaelis Ebonrai: *month
(06/19 18:10:34)  Tanshin: RIght now I'm hoping to get the Public Project running by the next Guild Fair
(06/19 18:10:42)  Tanshin: http://publicmoul.nintendoaddict.com
(06/19 18:10:47)  Tanshin: I'm also planning to get that on rel.to
(06/19 18:10:48)  AgeExplorer: Ah okay
(06/19 18:10:48)  GoMeLeonardo: We should consider the events posted on our Calendar as a possible source of Articles. Interviews on how the Event went, how it was, ecc
(06/19 18:11:05)  Luna(nne): yeah in the public links
(06/19 18:11:14)  LThyme: Anyone chat logging this?
(06/19 18:11:18)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(06/19 18:11:22)  Allan White: Yop, I am.
(06/19 18:11:30)  Luna(nne): ow sorry
(06/19 18:11:32)  Tanshin: Did you get that outburst by Muma?
(06/19 18:11:33)  Tanshin: brb
(06/19 18:11:39)  LThyme: Could one of you send it to me or something afterward?
(06/19 18:11:53)  GoMeLeonardo: sure, we will post it on the GoMe Forums
(06/19 18:11:55)  Allan White: Of course.
(06/19 18:11:57) LThyme thanks you very much!
(06/19 18:12:25)  GoMeLeonardo: Ok, so. Other ideas or comments for the Newspaper?
(06/19 18:12:29) Allan White waves hello
(06/19 18:12:30)  LThyme: hmmm
(06/19 18:12:32) LThyme waves hello
(06/19 18:12:33)  GoMeLeonardo: Shroah Allatwan!
(06/19 18:12:42)  Luna(nne): hi twan
(06/19 18:12:43)  Allatwan: Hello
(06/19 18:12:49)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Ahoy!
(06/19 18:12:56)  Allatwan: Sorry for being so late!
(06/19 18:12:58)  Luna(nne): just in time for any ideas on the newsmagazine
(06/19 18:13:03)  Tanshin: So right now, I have the interview with mireena and miranna written down
(06/19 18:13:08)  Allatwan: i had... issues with my Relto :/
(06/19 18:13:08)  Tanshin: I'll have that dummy K'veer feature
(06/19 18:13:11)  GoMeLeonardo: Allatwan is one of our new members intereste din the Newspaper ^^
(06/19 18:13:17)  Tanshin: Shorah Allatwan
(06/19 18:13:23)  Tanshin: lol, I thought I head something Age
(06/19 18:13:41)  Allatwan: shorah
(06/19 18:13:53)  Allatwan: so- the news paper?
(06/19 18:13:59)  GoMeLeonardo: we discussed a bit
(06/19 18:14:06)  Allatwan: oK
(06/19 18:14:07)  Tanshin: So, what other ideas flashed by?
(06/19 18:14:08)  GoMeLeonardo: I just sked if there are ideas for it
(06/19 18:14:26)  Allatwan: Will there be any summary of the discussion on the Guild'ssite?
(06/19 18:14:33)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(06/19 18:14:37)  Luna(nne): there will be the log even
(06/19 18:14:38)  Allatwan: Good
(06/19 18:14:44)  Allatwan: Great :)
(06/19 18:15:16)  Luna(nne): uhm okay just a short summary mabye of the ideas
(06/19 18:15:17)  Tanshin: So, besides events, interview with various groups/families, and sports, what else?
(06/19 18:15:21)  GoMeLeonardo: Tanshin brough up a nice question, do we have a logo for it?
(06/19 18:15:32)  Tanshin: Oh yes
(06/19 18:15:34)  GoMeLeonardo: we didn't in the last Newspaper
(06/19 18:15:44)  GoMeLeonardo: but we can have it on this one
(06/19 18:15:45)  Luna(nne): well I think we should try to make a new one based in the current  guild logo
(06/19 18:15:51)  Allatwan: uhm, maybe there could also be interviews with some Age wriers?
(06/19 18:15:55)  Allatwan: *writers
(06/19 18:15:56)  LThyme: We could hold a contest to make one?
(06/19 18:16:08)  Luna(nne): and when we don't have any good ideas just use the guild one
(06/19 18:16:10)  Allatwan: oh yeah, that would be cool :D
(06/19 18:16:12)  Tanshin: Maybe we could get the Myst fans on Deviant Art involved
(06/19 18:16:14)  Musica2: The logo could be a type of contest
(06/19 18:16:21)  Luna(nne): hmm the mysterium logo contest wasn't evry succesfull so far I know
(06/19 18:16:28)  AgeExplorer: I'd be happy to get our team for an interview
(06/19 18:16:33)  GoMeLeonardo: OH yes, those guys at Deviant Art are very skilled
(06/19 18:16:35)  Tanshin: I could picture something pretty from what's her name that makes Cyan
(06/19 18:16:39)  Luna(nne): yeah maybe it would be nice to have news from deviantart too
(06/19 18:16:40)  LThyme: Yeah, I help a lot with the Myst fanclub one (I set up teh current contest) so I could get in a word about it
(06/19 18:16:45)  Allatwan: artovelli?
(06/19 18:16:48)  Tanshin: Yes
(06/19 18:16:48)  Allatwan: :)
(06/19 18:16:49)  Tanshin: Artovelli
(06/19 18:16:50)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Allatwan: I'm planning on doing a GoW column, when stuff actually starts happening again
(06/19 18:16:55)  Allatwan: she's awesome
(06/19 18:16:59)  Tanshin: She is
(06/19 18:17:08)  Allatwan: OK, Kaelis
(06/19 18:17:19)  Tanshin: Okay, so GoW articles
(06/19 18:17:29)  Tanshin: Added to the list
(06/19 18:17:36)  GoMeLeonardo: Artoveli was featured on many of the last issues of the newspaper
(06/19 18:17:37)  Tanshin: I have to get going actually
(06/19 18:17:42)  Allatwan: Other than that, we should definitively post the three wining KI pics from each monthly contest
(06/19 18:17:42)  Luna(nne): we could have a short article about the design an age contest from deviantart
(06/19 18:17:43) LThyme waves goodbye
(06/19 18:17:48) Allan White waves goodbye
(06/19 18:17:51) Luna(nne) waves goodbye
(06/19 18:17:54)  GoMeLeonardo: Also, Clat is our current Artist, althought he isn't active on the Forum
(06/19 18:17:56)  Allatwan: bye
(06/19 18:18:00)  Musica2: See you Tanshin
(06/19 18:18:03)  GoMeLeonardo: bye!
(06/19 18:18:05)  Tanshin: I'll catch up on the logs
(06/19 18:18:07) Tanshin waves goodbye
(06/19 18:18:12)  Kaelis Ebonrai: for the last 6 months, stuff at the GoW has been happening /every/ day. These last few weeks have been ridiculously quiet
(06/19 18:18:16) Kaelis Ebonrai waves goodbye
(06/19 18:18:32)  Luna(nne): it will be a month before publishing at least
(06/19 18:18:45)  Kaelis Ebonrai: so, there's no real content for the column, atm.
(06/19 18:18:46)  Luna(nne): so than there might be something happening again
(06/19 18:18:57)  Luna(nne): *then even
(06/19 18:19:00)  GoMeLeonardo: quite the same for GoMe. I don't know exactly what's the amoung of activity of the Criers but it's decreased
(06/19 18:19:16)  Allatwan: What about asking ppl on DA to contribute to the news paper via comics or article illustrations?
(06/19 18:19:25)  Musica2: Is Lynutte working on that aspect?
(06/19 18:19:29)  Allan White: I'm sure we all try our best, Leo.
(06/19 18:19:36)  GoMeLeonardo: ^^
(06/19 18:19:43)  GoMeLeonardo: Allatwa I like you idea
(06/19 18:19:45)  Luna(nne): yeah I like that idea allatwan
(06/19 18:19:57)  Allatwan: just firing ideas
(06/19 18:20:17)  Allatwan: i actually had a list of stuff for the newspaper, but I have no idea where I put it :(
(06/19 18:20:35)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(06/19 18:20:39)  Luna(nne): hmm maybe a short article like "what is Cyan doing" with their last update
(06/19 18:20:53)  Allatwan: yeah, that would help- a lot
(06/19 18:20:58)  LThyme: that might be nice
(06/19 18:21:03)  Allan White: That would be a really short article.
(06/19 18:21:06)  Allatwan: There's too much impatience and paranoia with that :P
(06/19 18:21:11)  Allan White: But a nice one nontheless.
(06/19 18:21:15)  Musica2: How about "What has changed from MOUL to MOUla"
(06/19 18:21:21)  Luna(nne): some shorter articles are nice too
(06/19 18:21:23)  Allatwan: Yeah
(06/19 18:21:27)  GoMeLeonardo: maybe we could make an interview with one Cyan employ for the first issue
(06/19 18:21:28)  Allatwan: That too
(06/19 18:21:39)  Luna(nne): yeah I was thinking that too, but it might be hard
(06/19 18:21:53)  LThyme: I've heard RAWA's not too hard to get in touch with.
(06/19 18:21:57)  LThyme: But I dunno
(06/19 18:22:01)  GoMeLeonardo: we could just prepare some questions and sedn them to RAWA or CHogon
(06/19 18:22:08)  Allan White: We'll just pester them until somebody answers our questions.
(06/19 18:22:13)  Allatwan: yeah, that could be good
(06/19 18:22:14)  LThyme: heh
(06/19 18:22:16)  Luna(nne): we can always try
(06/19 18:22:37)  Allatwan: Or ask ppl in an issue what theyd like to ask
(06/19 18:22:46)  GoMeLeonardo: I am still the Cyan Liaisons...althought I don't know if RAWA knows that XD
(06/19 18:22:54)  Luna(nne): but that is so predictable
(06/19 18:22:54)  Musica2: A lot of that goes on in the forums
(06/19 18:23:01)  Luna(nne): "when is more"
(06/19 18:23:06) GoMeLeonardo nods his head
(06/19 18:23:10)  Luna(nne): "when is Iriven"
(06/19 18:23:16)  Luna(nne): *iriven
(06/19 18:23:21)  GoMeLeonardo: we should find some other new question for them XD
(06/19 18:23:21)  Luna(nne): I think you got most questions then
(06/19 18:23:29)  Musica2: When is UPhone?
(06/19 18:23:37)  Allatwan: XD
(06/19 18:23:39) LThyme laughs
(06/19 18:24:04)  Luna(nne): so I think we should come up with some more interesting questions
(06/19 18:24:11)  GoMeLeonardo: oh yes iRiven, and they also mentioned other 4 projects going on
(06/19 18:24:29)  Musica2: that's a good start
(06/19 18:24:30)  Allatwan: What about having a short story or IC journal entry about an Age every month?
(06/19 18:24:30)  Allan White: Including a "big one".
(06/19 18:24:39) AgeExplorer cheers
(06/19 18:24:51)  Allatwan: Though they should not have spoilers :P
(06/19 18:24:56)  Allan White: I like that idea, Twan.
(06/19 18:25:11)  LThyme: I have some haikus based on individual Ages. We could do something like that.
(06/19 18:25:19)  GoMeLeonardo: We tried many times to do recurring articles, but thye always stopped in about 2 issues, because the author didn't send us anything more
(06/19 18:25:23)  Allatwan: oh yes!
(06/19 18:25:33)  Allatwan: And have ilustrations too
(06/19 18:25:34)  Luna(nne): hmm we have to think of a way to seperate IC and OOC in the newspaper
(06/19 18:25:45)  Luna(nne): yeah but there are two active myst groups on DA
(06/19 18:26:03)  LThyme: The second doesn't do much, I don't think
(06/19 18:26:14)  Luna(nne): combined they should be able to deliver enough stuff bimonthyly
(06/19 18:26:24)  GoMeLeonardo: LUna I don't think we need to separate IC and OOC, I like so much how we usually mix them up while taling
(06/19 18:26:24)  Allatwan: or something like "wannabe D'ni art/writings"
(06/19 18:26:26)  Luna(nne): people submit art to it = alive
(06/19 18:26:26)  GoMeLeonardo: *talking
(06/19 18:26:34)  Luna(nne): okay
(06/19 18:26:45)  Allatwan: Something that should look/sound as D'ni as possible
(06/19 18:26:59)  Allatwan: As though ithad actualy beeen found in the cavern
(06/19 18:27:04)  Allatwan: *been
(06/19 18:27:06)  Allatwan: :P
(06/19 18:27:08)  Luna(nne): well that is hard with no d'ni writings at all
(06/19 18:27:13)  Luna(nne): almost none
(06/19 18:27:37)  Allan White: Nice idea, but the vocabulary known to us is quite limited.
(06/19 18:27:39)  Allatwan: Stories, history, the games and the novels are a good source, though
(06/19 18:27:45)  Allatwan: *are good sources :P
(06/19 18:27:51)  Luna(nne): that is not actual d'ni writing
(06/19 18:27:58)  Luna(nne): but anyway
(06/19 18:27:59)  Allatwan: oh no, not in D'ni!
(06/19 18:28:10)  Allatwan: something like Shomat's story
(06/19 18:28:17)  Luna(nne): but the only real stories translated from d'ni are the king's stories
(06/19 18:28:20)  Allatwan: If you see what I mean
(06/19 18:28:30)  Luna(nne): there are no others really
(06/19 18:28:39)  GoMeLeonardo: I don't thin kI see what you mean Allatwan XD could you explain more?
(06/19 18:28:57)  Luna(nne): and they are more descriptive
(06/19 18:28:59)  Allatwan: oK, let me try
(06/19 18:29:18)  Allatwan: Has anyone here read "Shomat's story" in Eer Kemo?
(06/19 18:29:23)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(06/19 18:29:23) Luna(nne) shuts up for a bit
(06/19 18:29:24)  Allatwan: *Eder Kemo
(06/19 18:29:25) LThyme nods her head
(06/19 18:29:28)  Musica2: yes
(06/19 18:29:32)  Allan White: All of us, I guess.
(06/19 18:30:01)  Allatwan: Well, writing something like that, or painting somethinglike the library's stained glass windows
(06/19 18:30:05)  Allan White: So you suggest that we ... fake historic documents?
(06/19 18:30:10)  Allatwan: would be nice
(06/19 18:30:18)  Allatwan: Yes, but say they are fake
(06/19 18:30:23)  Luna(nne): the subterranean restoration does that IC
(06/19 18:30:24)  Allan White: Why not.
(06/19 18:30:33)  Kaelis Ebonrai: SR is IC.
(06/19 18:30:34)  Musica2: "imaginary" is the word
(06/19 18:30:45)  Luna(nne): I know , so they don't say it is fake
(06/19 18:30:46)  Allatwan: i mean, say that it is "fan made" and all that, obviously :P
(06/19 18:30:58)  Luna(nne): I think we should keep it on "facts" as guild
(06/19 18:31:02)  Kaelis Ebonrai: why should they be said they are fake?
(06/19 18:31:08)  Luna(nne): so not write them as "guild"
(06/19 18:31:16)  Kaelis Ebonrai: that's the whole point of IC, and Cyan is generally happy with it
(06/19 18:31:18)  Luna(nne): but get them from the SR
(06/19 18:31:28)  Luna(nne): no, SR doesn't have to say it
(06/19 18:31:35)  GoMeLeonardo: saying they are "fan made" is good, I see no reason to not making it because it's not "fact"
(06/19 18:31:37)  Kaelis Ebonrai: exactly.
(06/19 18:31:44)  Allatwan: it's just an idea for cool stuff without irritating the IC groups
(06/19 18:31:58)  Kaelis Ebonrai: the IC groups would welcome it, allatwan
(06/19 18:32:06)  Kaelis Ebonrai: they /like/ more people being IC
(06/19 18:32:07)  Allatwan: Do you think so?
(06/19 18:32:07) GoMeLeonardo nods his head
(06/19 18:32:13)  Kaelis Ebonrai: (if done well)
(06/19 18:32:16)  Kaelis Ebonrai: i /know/ so
(06/19 18:32:20)  AgeExplorer: Agreed
(06/19 18:32:27)  Allatwan: just making sure, since I have trouble with IC/OCC stuff :P
(06/19 18:32:27)  Luna(nne): but asking the IC groups for the stories would be more messenger IC I think
(06/19 18:32:31)  Musica2: Like the Mowog story about finding the key to a bevin house
(06/19 18:32:32)  GoMeLeonardo: we featured some of these kind of articles on the old Newspaper...you can try to find them XD
(06/19 18:33:04)  Allatwan: So- the newspaper could also feature totally non-Cyan IC stuf?
(06/19 18:33:07)  Allatwan: *stuff
(06/19 18:33:09)  Luna(nne): yeah
(06/19 18:33:11)  Luna(nne): of course
(06/19 18:33:13)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(06/19 18:33:14)  Allatwan: I didn't know that
(06/19 18:33:17)  Allatwan: :P
(06/19 18:33:20)  Luna(nne): that is community too
(06/19 18:33:40)  GoMeLeonardo: Uru is not just Cyan, it's all of us
(06/19 18:33:42)  Allatwan: yeah- but I'm always scared of steping on someone's rights when I get IC
(06/19 18:33:46)  Allatwan: True
(06/19 18:33:49)  Luna(nne): the newspaper could feature anything to do with Uru
(06/19 18:34:18)  Musica2: Look at the previous MOUL and post Moul newspapers on line
(06/19 18:34:24)  Allatwan: I did
(06/19 18:34:29)  LThyme: I'm planning on it
(06/19 18:34:31)  Allatwan: i was an avid reader XD
(06/19 18:34:32)  Luna(nne): maybe alsoa newbie story - something abotu people who have never played any myst game before
(06/19 18:34:44)  Luna(nne): if they are still around
(06/19 18:34:46)  Allatwan: Yeah
(06/19 18:35:10)  GoMeLeonardo: yeah, Myst from an outside point of view
(06/19 18:35:34)  GoMeLeonardo: or newbye point of view
(06/19 18:35:53)  GoMeLeonardo: I know new ppl are always impressed by the community here XD
(06/19 18:36:07)  Allatwan: they are?
(06/19 18:36:09)  Allatwan: hehe
(06/19 18:36:23)  Luna(nne): the moulforums can be impressing
(06/19 18:36:38)  GoMeLeonardo: usually XD recently we've had some bad cases but generally it'snot like that
(06/19 18:36:59)  Allatwan: what do you mean by "bad cases"?
(06/19 18:37:49)  GoMeLeonardo: new people not being welcomed in the right way XD
(06/19 18:37:54)  Allatwan: Aw
(06/19 18:37:57)  Allatwan: :P
(06/19 18:38:15)  Allan White: This "Pokemon" guy from the last meeting could write a whole noob column - After all, he was more than eager to contribute.
(06/19 18:38:16)  Luna(nne): sometimes welcoming new people the right way can be taxing
(06/19 18:38:21)  GoMeLeonardo: the medium age of the players have dicreased with MOUL being free
(06/19 18:38:35)  Allatwan: Really?
(06/19 18:38:42)  Allan White: Guess so.
(06/19 18:38:44)  Allatwan: like,how young?
(06/19 18:38:44)  GoMeLeonardo: that's what I heard
(06/19 18:38:56)  Luna(nne): yeahI know some young people playing moul
(06/19 18:38:58)  GoMeLeonardo: I don't know XD
(06/19 18:39:03)  Allan White: School children, even.
(06/19 18:39:04)  Allatwan: I mean, it sounds like we'l have to keep that in mind now :P
(06/19 18:39:08)  Luna(nne): like 9/10 sometimes
(06/19 18:39:14)  Allatwan: yikes!
(06/19 18:39:17)  Luna(nne): but under parental supervision
(06/19 18:39:18)  Allatwan: XD
(06/19 18:39:22)  Allan White: lol
(06/19 18:39:23)  Allatwan: Ah, OK
(06/19 18:39:28)  Luna(nne): kids play outside too
(06/19 18:39:30)  Allatwan: i was wondering :P
(06/19 18:39:39)  Luna(nne): lots of danegrous strangers outside
(06/19 18:39:40)  Allan White: Go play on Minkata.
(06/19 18:39:44)  Allatwan: hahah
(06/19 18:39:46) GoMeLeonardo starts to laugh
(06/19 18:39:57) AgeExplorer laughs
(06/19 18:40:13)  Allan White: Gotta leave for a while, I'll be back.
(06/19 18:40:17)  Luna(nne): so I think it all kind of exaggareted
(06/19 18:40:33)  Allatwan: alright
(06/19 18:40:34)  GoMeLeonardo: Do we have an idea on how often the NEwspaper will be published?
(06/19 18:40:41)  Luna(nne): uhm no
(06/19 18:41:01)  LThyme: Theremin mentioned the second one coming out around December, I think, so you do the math
(06/19 18:41:03)  Allatwan: having it on the guild's site might work
(06/19 18:41:22)  GoMeLeonardo: I don't remember but probably Theremin doesn't want to have a fixed time
(06/19 18:41:23)  Luna(nne): I think that depends on how easy making the first one goes and how many addittions to the newspaperteam after that
(06/19 18:41:32)  Allatwan: easy to download- and then let people know via messages on forums and such
(06/19 18:41:42)  Luna(nne): since we are still quite some people short
(06/19 18:41:50)  Allatwan: Ah
(06/19 18:42:05)  Allatwan: Well, I'm ready to help in English and French
(06/19 18:42:17)  GoMeLeonardo: Yes Allatwan, the NEwspaper will be published as it was before, on the website, on the forums and via the mailing list
(06/19 18:42:24)  Luna(nne): yeah but we just need more people I think
(06/19 18:42:28)  Allatwan: Though I don't know what french-speaking messengers do :P
(06/19 18:42:29)  Luna(nne): at least 3 would be useful
(06/19 18:42:31)  Musica2: It seemed to me he mentioned quarterly newspaper
(06/19 18:43:05)  Luna(nne): yeah I think that will also sort of be the max
(06/19 18:43:46)  GoMeLeonardo: it sounds good
(06/19 18:43:49)  Luna(nne): even less a year would be quite useless
(06/19 18:44:10)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I gotta go, guys, I'm expected :<
(06/19 18:44:14) Kaelis Ebonrai waves goodbye
(06/19 18:44:15) LThyme waves goodbye
(06/19 18:44:19) Luna(nne) waves goodbye
(06/19 18:44:20)  GoMeLeonardo: Thank you for coming Kaelis ^^
(06/19 18:44:21)  Allatwan: Bye!
(06/19 18:44:29)  Musica2: see you Kaelis
(06/19 18:44:38)  GoMeLeonardo: so, do you have anything else to say about the Newspaper?
(06/19 18:44:55)  Allatwan: by the way- do we need any IC messengers? I mean, what are they for?
(06/19 18:45:15)  Luna(nne): uhm technically we have no IC
(06/19 18:45:26)  Allatwan: Really?
(06/19 18:45:26)  Luna(nne): so far I know
(06/19 18:45:31)  Luna(nne): we have cavern criers
(06/19 18:45:34)  Allatwan: i thought we had :P
(06/19 18:45:38)  GoMeLeonardo: we would need them if we find something for them to do XD I have no ideas for anythign IC for the Messengers
(06/19 18:45:56)  Luna(nne): Cavern criers are close to IC but not really
(06/19 18:46:11)  GoMeLeonardo: Cavern Criers are more "In Cavern" but not really IC, they can also speak OOC
(06/19 18:46:15)  Allatwan: alright
(06/19 18:46:27)  Luna(nne): yeah but they do come closest in the guild
(06/19 18:46:43)  GoMeLeonardo: for the Messengers I think there is not much to do IC, because often it is the same we do for OOC
(06/19 18:47:12)  GoMeLeonardo: we're not like GoW or GoMa who have to reword their actions when they speak IC
(06/19 18:47:18)  Musica2: Tanshin said he was interested in "crying" lol
(06/19 18:47:24)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(06/19 18:47:24)  AgeExplorer: lol
(06/19 18:47:27)  GoMeLeonardo: lol
(06/19 18:47:35)  LThyme: XD
(06/19 18:47:36)  Luna(nne): lol
(06/19 18:47:59)  GoMeLeonardo: White or Lynnutte are the right persons to contact for the Criers
(06/19 18:48:26)  GoMeLeonardo: shall we pass to the next subject? Elections Organization
(06/19 18:48:58)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll tak e as a yes XD
(06/19 18:49:00)  Luna(nne): I guess we have to
(06/19 18:49:09)  GoMeLeonardo: So
(06/19 18:49:35)  GoMeLeonardo: when me and Theremin were elected we decided we would have done other elections as soon as the guild would have been more active
(06/19 18:49:43)  Musica2: Lwo you're so leaderly
(06/19 18:49:46)  Luna(nne): yeah I remember that
(06/19 18:49:51)  Allatwan: what are the elections for anyway?
(06/19 18:49:51)  Luna(nne): I think
(06/19 18:49:56)  Luna(nne): guild council
(06/19 18:50:04)  Allatwan: I'm new, so I don't think I should vote :P
(06/19 18:50:06)  GoMeLeonardo: at that time we were elected automatically because there was no others wanting to be the head of the guild
(06/19 18:50:13)  LThyme: Oh, then I could probably leave. :)
(06/19 18:50:13)  Allatwan: I mean, that would be useless :P
(06/19 18:50:25)  Luna(nne): no everyone gets to vote
(06/19 18:50:31)  GoMeLeonardo: Lthyme you are a messenger too XD
(06/19 18:50:35)  LThyme: I'll come to the next elections once I know you guys better.
(06/19 18:50:39)  LThyme: :)
(06/19 18:50:47)  Luna(nne): this is jsut the organizing
(06/19 18:50:52)  GoMeLeonardo: every messengers can vote or propose himself for the Council
(06/19 18:50:56)  Luna(nne): but maybe we should first check who would run
(06/19 18:51:26)  GoMeLeonardo: the process will have two phases
(06/19 18:51:35)  Luna(nne): I think that since many active messengers are new, there still won't be many people who would put themselves up for electoins
(06/19 18:51:37)  Allatwan: I agree with LT:P
(06/19 18:52:06)  LThyme: I have to go eat some lunch. If the meeting's still going on when I come back I'll jump back in . :)
(06/19 18:52:10)  Luna(nne): *electioms
(06/19 18:52:14)  Luna(nne): *elections
(06/19 18:52:15)  GoMeLeonardo: ok, just know you are allowed to vote ^^
(06/19 18:52:17) LThyme waves goodbye
(06/19 18:52:20) Luna(nne) waves goodbye
(06/19 18:52:22)  AgeExplorer: alright see you guys later.
(06/19 18:52:22)  LThyme: I know. :)
(06/19 18:52:28)  GoMeLeonardo: cya!!
(06/19 18:52:42)  Allatwan: Oh, I'll go too, then :P
(06/19 18:52:46)  Allatwan: Bye!
(06/19 18:52:51)  GoMeLeonardo: bye bye Allatwan!
(06/19 18:52:56)  Luna(nne): bye
(06/19 18:53:07)  Allatwan: Bye :)
(06/19 18:53:07)  AgeExplorer: it has been a nice meeting and was great talking to u all
(06/19 18:53:15)  GoMeLeonardo: ^^
(06/19 18:53:15)  Allatwan (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): 
(06/19 18:53:50)  AgeExplorer: Will be happy to help u interview Age writers
(06/19 18:54:01)  GoMeLeonardo: great ^^
(06/19 18:54:07)  Allan White: I'm back. And I didn't bring the page.
(06/19 18:54:09)  GoMeLeonardo: Kaelis will do that
(06/19 18:54:13)  AgeExplorer: I can get in touch with whoever u need
(06/19 18:54:28)  GoMeLeonardo: Nooooooo. You didn't bring the page!!! You Fooollll!!!
(06/19 18:54:29)  AgeExplorer: :D
(06/19 18:54:37)  Luna(nne): you idiot!
(06/19 18:54:37) GoMeLeonardo starts to laugh
(06/19 18:54:38)  Luna(nne): :P
(06/19 18:54:39)  Allan White: Whoops.
(06/19 18:54:45)  AgeExplorer: WHAT KIND OF FOOL ARE YOU!!!!
(06/19 18:54:49)  GoMeLeonardo: what doesn Atrus say?
(06/19 18:54:50)  AgeExplorer: lol
(06/19 18:54:57)  Allan White: At least it's brighter here than in K'veer.
(06/19 18:55:03) GoMeLeonardo starts to laugh
(06/19 18:55:05)  AgeExplorer: haha its the lights
(06/19 18:55:09)  Allan White: You and I will live here - forever.
(06/19 18:55:22)  AgeExplorer: they are different in Writers Pub these lights are brighter
(06/19 18:55:24)  Luna(nne): maybe we should have "what atrus says" with quotes in the newspaper
(06/19 18:55:31) Allan White starts to laugh
(06/19 18:55:32)  AgeExplorer: true that
(06/19 18:55:35) AgeExplorer laughs
(06/19 18:55:43)  Luna(nne): or call the cyan stuff that way
(06/19 18:55:54)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL nice idea!
(06/19 18:56:01)  Allan White: There are more momorable quotes by Yeesha, I think.
(06/19 18:56:04)  Musica2: "What would Atrus do"
(06/19 18:56:22)  Allan White: Nah, Mysterium got that one first.
(06/19 18:56:26)  GoMeLeonardo: I guess I'll expose the Elections part on the Forums, it's not really much, just the instructions
(06/19 18:56:34)  Luna(nne): yeah! :D
(06/19 18:56:40)  Allan White: How to vote?
(06/19 18:56:45)  AgeExplorer: alright I'll see you guys later
(06/19 18:56:48)  Luna(nne): elections are booring
(06/19 18:56:51)  Allan White: See ya.
(06/19 18:56:52)  GoMeLeonardo: there will be two phases
(06/19 18:56:53) Luna(nne) waves goodbye
(06/19 18:56:57) AgeExplorer waves goodbye
(06/19 18:57:02)  GoMeLeonardo: one for niminating and one for voting
(06/19 18:57:08)  GoMeLeonardo: *nominating
(06/19 18:57:08)  AgeExplorer (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): 
(06/19 18:57:11)  Allan White: Like the last time?
(06/19 18:57:45)  Musica2: How many official roles are we nominating/voting for
(06/19 18:57:48)  GoMeLeonardo: yes but this time each representant will need two niminations, one from himself and one from someone else
(06/19 18:58:01)  Allan White: That's a lot better.
(06/19 18:58:02)  GoMeLeonardo: 2 roles, the 2 GMs
(06/19 18:58:27)  GoMeLeonardo: I don't think we'll need more than 2
(06/19 18:58:28)  Allan White: I thought we were going to restore the Council...?
(06/19 18:58:41)  Allan White: If you think so, right.
(06/19 18:58:45)  Musica2: Probably not, at the size we are now
(06/19 18:58:55)  Allan White: But then I don't see the point in new elections.
(06/19 18:59:17)  Luna(nne): I do neither
(06/19 18:59:29)  Allan White: Okay Theremin isn't around too often, but being the chief editor, he should have the post.
(06/19 18:59:30)  Musica2: I see the need for the 2 GM's
(06/19 18:59:34)  GoMeLeonardo: after thinking a bit I thought we don't need a Council...the whole guld is the Council
(06/19 19:00:00)  Musica2: Yep
(06/19 19:00:01)  Luna(nne): indeed all decisions are discussed in meetings and/or on the forums
(06/19 19:00:02)  Allan White: Hmmm... This does work for the time being.
(06/19 19:00:11)  Luna(nne): not that there are lots of decisions
(06/19 19:00:11)  GoMeLeonardo: this is why we are not going to elect a council
(06/19 19:00:25)  Allan White: Okay. That's quite convincing.
(06/19 19:00:42)  GoMeLeonardo: but we need GMs....possibly actvie ones XD
(06/19 19:00:54)  Allan White: Ummm - We have.
(06/19 19:01:02)  Luna(nne): yeah :)
(06/19 19:01:03)  GoMeLeonardo: so, It's always worked like this in the GoMe, every 6 months or so we would changes leadership
(06/19 19:01:19)  Allan White: You can't call Theremin inactive, can you?
(06/19 19:01:22)  Luna(nne): that often?
(06/19 19:01:37)  GoMeLeonardo: I won't call him active neither XD
(06/19 19:01:47)  Allan White: I don't think it's neccessary. Nobody ever complained. XD
(06/19 19:02:00)  Luna(nne): well maybe the other GM does :P
(06/19 19:02:00)  GoMeLeonardo: probably not that often Luna, but we did in the past
(06/19 19:02:59)  Allan White: I kinda like the status quo.
(06/19 19:03:34)  Allan White: While we could hold re-elections, I don't think there will be a lot of a change.
(06/19 19:03:49)  Musica2: Unless you get nominations quickly aftger posting the election info, I think that speaks for itselflf
(06/19 19:03:59)  GoMeLeonardo: It won't change much I think, but it's good to have a change once in a while, brings fresh air in the Guild, new way of thinking and takes weight from who is in charge
(06/19 19:04:13)  Musica2: ohh yeah
(06/19 19:04:25) From Dra'gossh in D'ni-Ae'gura: Er'cana, again?
(06/19 19:04:26) From Dra'gossh in D'ni-Ae'gura: heh
(06/19 19:04:57)  GoMeLeonardo: We've had many new members, active ones too, like you White, Lunanne and Tanshin and others
(06/19 19:05:22)  GoMeLeonardo: So it's just right to let you have the possibility to lead the Guild if you tink you're up to it
(06/19 19:05:34)  Luna(nne): yeah but I won't run for council for this time
(06/19 19:05:40)  Musica2: I can't even finish my ages lol
(06/19 19:05:44)  GoMeLeonardo: Your choice XD
(06/19 19:05:53)  Luna(nne): with no idea how busy I will be in the next few months
(06/19 19:06:12)  Luna(nne): and many are really new
(06/19 19:06:16)  GoMeLeonardo: yes, that's wasn't a proposal, just an example of why it's good to have elections XD
(06/19 19:06:42)  Luna(nne): well I think the new members won't run for council yet
(06/19 19:06:54)  Luna(nne): they might do so in a few months time though
(06/19 19:07:17)  GoMeLeonardo: uhm....I agree
(06/19 19:07:46)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll bring up this point too in the future discussion on the forums
(06/19 19:07:48)  Luna(nne): I mean I have been in the gome for 6 months now, and many of the new members came after me
(06/19 19:08:01)  Luna(nne): okay
(06/19 19:08:17)  GoMeLeonardo: yes probably it's too sooon
(06/19 19:08:31)  GoMeLeonardo: *too early* sorry XD
(06/19 19:08:36)  Musica2: I was in Gametap but only for the last couple months
(06/19 19:10:21)  GoMeLeonardo: btw, I will be out of town next week, with no Internet, so please keep an eye on the Workflow Summary of the site for News and Events Submitted
(06/19 19:10:22)  Luna(nne): so
(06/19 19:10:30)  Allan White: Sure.
(06/19 19:10:37)  Luna(nne): okay
(06/19 19:10:39)  Allan White: I'll take care of that.
(06/19 19:10:39)  GoMeLeonardo: ^^
(06/19 19:10:43)  GoMeLeonardo: thx White
(06/19 19:10:57)  Luna(nne): and if anything comes up we'll react
(06/19 19:11:11)  Musica2: Oh, I meant to ask if the guild leaders discussed the next guild events
(06/19 19:11:16)  GoMeLeonardo: I saw there is a translation of yours in there, is it unfinished or you just forgot to turn it to approved?
(06/19 19:11:29)  Luna(nne): of me? I'll take a look
(06/19 19:11:35)  GoMeLeonardo: No, of White XD
(06/19 19:11:39)  Luna(nne): aha
(06/19 19:11:44)  GoMeLeonardo: lol, sorry
(06/19 19:11:46)  Allan White: I don't have any pending translations. Guess I forgot to approve it.
(06/19 19:12:03)  Allan White: I'll do it right after.
(06/19 19:12:09)  GoMeLeonardo: no musica...I don't have any guild event in mind
(06/19 19:12:09)  Luna(nne): I'm trying to work on translating the website and don't really translate news events like that
(06/19 19:12:13)  Luna(nne): *now
(06/19 19:12:16)  GoMeLeonardo: unless you mean the Guild Fair
(06/19 19:12:20)  Luna(nne): only interesting ones
(06/19 19:12:29)  GoMeLeonardo: it's ok luna
(06/19 19:12:31)  Musica2: Yes, I meant to say Guild fair
(06/19 19:12:43)  Allan White: It IS a monumental task.
(06/19 19:12:54)  GoMeLeonardo: Thanks for reminding me
(06/19 19:13:14)  GoMeLeonardo: White was it you who brought up the discussion about the Fair?
(06/19 19:13:22)  Allan White: Translating the interface, I meant.
(06/19 19:13:26)  Luna(nne): marten I thought
(06/19 19:13:37)  Allan White: Which discussion?
(06/19 19:13:44)  Luna(nne): @yeah but with the summer holiday coming I hope to spend sometime on it everyday
(06/19 19:13:48)  Allan White: Concerning the timespan?
(06/19 19:13:52)  GoMeLeonardo: About reducing the time
(06/19 19:13:52)  Luna(nne): @white I mean
(06/19 19:13:53)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(06/19 19:14:00)  Allan White: Yeah, that was I.
(06/19 19:14:05)  Luna(nne): and I agree I have to say
(06/19 19:14:17)  Allan White: I think it's difficult to fill the time.
(06/19 19:14:27)  Luna(nne): I wasn't around last time but before that I have stood hours without anyone active in Kirel
(06/19 19:14:37)  Allan White: Me, too.
(06/19 19:14:41)  GoMeLeonardo: Try to take your comments and blutec's on the MOUL Forums, so that you will be able to discuss that with all the organizers
(06/19 19:14:42)  Allan White: Musica as well, I think.
(06/19 19:14:57)  Allan White: Marcus, you mean?
(06/19 19:15:00)  Allan White: Sure.
(06/19 19:15:03)  GoMeLeonardo: yes...there is people only for the Meeting
(06/19 19:15:18)  GoMeLeonardo: yes, Marcus Wheeler and the community in general
(06/19 19:15:28)  GoMeLeonardo: I alone can' decide for all the Guilds XD
(06/19 19:15:30)  Luna(nne): I mean it was avery good idea, but there aren't that many new people anymore
(06/19 19:15:31)  Allan White: What's your opinion on that, Leo?
(06/19 19:16:18)  GoMeLeonardo: I think that probably a combination of the two (organizing events inside the fair, and reducing the timespan) will be the key for improving it
(06/19 19:16:30)  Allan White: Sounds reasonable.
(06/19 19:16:42)  GoMeLeonardo: unfortunately CES has stopped with Irissa's disappearance
(06/19 19:16:43)  Allan White: The question is, what events?
(06/19 19:16:50)  Allan White: Exactly.
(06/19 19:17:18)  GoMeLeonardo: "Opening Party", "Live Interviews with XYZ", eccc
(06/19 19:17:32)  Allan White: Perhaps a regular concert, Musica?
(06/19 19:17:43)  Allan White: In Kirel?
(06/19 19:17:45)  Luna(nne): an organized Rand sighting :P
(06/19 19:17:47)  GoMeLeonardo: AH, that's an idea!
(06/19 19:17:51) Allan White starts to laugh
(06/19 19:17:54)  GoMeLeonardo: lOL
(06/19 19:17:56)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL*
(06/19 19:18:08)  Allan White: I'll fabricate a mask.
(06/19 19:18:17)  Luna(nne): have a famous person visiting would be great though
(06/19 19:18:27)  Musica2: I certainly will bring that up Alan. I'd like to have one in the afternoon so the Europeans and Austrailians can catch it
(06/19 19:18:29)  Allan White: Who? Ranting Thespian?
(06/19 19:18:34)  GoMeLeonardo: Musica do you think it would be possible to organize a DMR concert for each Guild Fair?
(06/19 19:18:44)  Luna(nne): especially in the european time zone
(06/19 19:19:11) GoMeLeonardo nods his head
(06/19 19:19:13)  Musica2: Hey is Peter Gabriel on here like i hears lol
(06/19 19:19:35)  Musica2: I could look into concert or a broacast such as we had Thursday night
(06/19 19:19:40)  GoMeLeonardo: I know there was a Hood named fater one of his songs
(06/19 19:19:46)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(06/19 19:20:12)  Allan White: I'd prefer a concert - it would draw people to Kirel physically.
(06/19 19:20:23)  Allan White: So we could lure them there.
(06/19 19:20:30)  GoMeLeonardo: yes but you know VoiceChat is horrible for that
(06/19 19:20:34)  Musica2: Oh really? I was kidding
(06/19 19:20:57)  Luna(nne): brb
(06/19 19:21:01)  GoMeLeonardo: ok
(06/19 19:21:13)  Musica2: Ranting Thespian discovered Ustream.tv. You can perform live into it or play downloaded music like Christine.
(06/19 19:21:37)  GoMeLeonardo: Yes, that was used for the LiveCamera of Mysterium too
(06/19 19:21:44)  Musica2: I didn't have any trouble using voice chat but I only play the mandolin
(06/19 19:21:45)  Luna(nne): back
(06/19 19:22:16)  Allan White: The problem is, people will be anywhere if it is streamed over the web, but not in Kirel.
(06/19 19:22:28)  Allan White: And that's where I'd like to have them.
(06/19 19:22:37)  Allan White: In front of my table.
(06/19 19:22:41)  GoMeLeonardo: yes, I must say MOUL's VoiceChat it way better than UntilUru's one...but it puts a heavy load on people with not powerful PCs
(06/19 19:22:51)  Musica2: XD
(06/19 19:22:58)  Luna(nne): yeah but voicechats is really bad, I can abrely understand anyone using it
(06/19 19:23:04)  GoMeLeonardo: LOL Allan...your table XD
(06/19 19:23:14)  Luna(nne): and some people have it disabled
(06/19 19:23:15)  Allan White: Our. Table.
(06/19 19:23:24)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(06/19 19:24:06)  Musica2: I get the drift. I believe Christine is looking for more people with the ability to present live concerts. We're full of musical and artistic talent here. In fact Chris Sifniotis offered doe design a logo fo
(06/19 19:24:13)  GoMeLeonardo: ok, just let us know if you can organize something for the 3-4 July weekend Musica
(06/19 19:24:15)  Musica2: or a graphic for our concerts.
(06/19 19:24:24)  Allan White: Guess that comes from calling students to my desk. I really should learn switching off work.
(06/19 19:24:55)  Musica2: Ok. Let me get through the Oliver Knowles one tonight first
(06/19 19:25:18)  Allan White: By the way, it's at a horrible time for Europeans.
(06/19 19:25:30)  Luna(nne): which event?
(06/19 19:25:31)  Allan White: I'm really sad I'm going to miss it.
(06/19 19:25:40)  Allan White: The concert tonight.
(06/19 19:25:42)  Musica2: Even on a weekend. I; thought after midnight was one of your mantras hehe
(06/19 19:25:45)  Allan White: toNIGHT.
(06/19 19:25:54)  Luna(nne): ktdn is on a nice time
(06/19 19:26:01)  Luna(nne): oh theere is a concert too?
(06/19 19:26:04)  Luna(nne): :(
(06/19 19:26:10)  GoMeLeonardo: yes..it should be online right now
(06/19 19:26:11)  Allan White: Not if I have a lot of work to do the next day XD
(06/19 19:26:26)  Musica2: Well I could approach him to do a repeat for the guild fair. I think he writes ages too
(06/19 19:26:44)  GoMeLeonardo: oh yes..radio KTDN is online
(06/19 19:27:17)  Musica2: Ktahdn is now. TeWe're at 5pm ki time
(06/19 19:27:17)  Allan White: He does, yeah.
(06/19 19:27:37)  GoMeLeonardo: ok, so. White bring this up to Marcus and the others so maybe we can find more events like this
(06/19 19:27:48)  Musica2: Hence he might feel more willlingness to contribut
(06/19 19:27:50)  Allan White: Okay, I'll do that.
(06/19 19:28:19)  GoMeLeonardo: I think it's all for today. Unless you have more to discuss
(06/19 19:28:27)  Luna(nne): no not really
(06/19 19:28:30)  Allan White: I still have a question:
(06/19 19:28:37)  Luna(nne): need to figure out how to hear the music :P
(06/19 19:28:39)  GoMeLeonardo: ask^^
(06/19 19:28:53)  Allan White: There are some non-English versions of the newspaper, aren't there?
(06/19 19:28:59)  Allan White: Dutch and French?
(06/19 19:29:07)  Luna(nne): there will be yeah
(06/19 19:29:14)  Allan White: Is it okay if I make a German one, too?
(06/19 19:29:17)  Luna(nne): of course
(06/19 19:29:19)  Musica2: Luna do you mean ktahdn or oliver or both. The;yr'e both webcasting
(06/19 19:29:20)  GoMeLeonardo: you mean of the future one, or the old one?
(06/19 19:29:29)  Luna(nne): ktahdn
(06/19 19:29:33)  Allan White: Of Go.
(06/19 19:29:37)  Luna(nne): oliver is ustream probably
(06/19 19:29:37)  Musica2: one sec
(06/19 19:29:38)  GoMeLeonardo: oh yes I think it's ok
(06/19 19:29:44)  Allan White: Whoopee.
(06/19 19:29:59)  Musica2: Here's the site they geve out. I haven't tries it yet
(06/19 19:30:17)  GoMeLeonardo: I hope it doesn't get too big as a Newspaper....I trsnalted it in italian...then is strated growing to 15 pages and it was too much for me
(06/19 19:30:19)  Musica2: http://radioktdn.zapto.org:8025
(06/19 19:30:27)  Luna(nne): ah found it in wmp :D
(06/19 19:30:39)  Luna(nne): you need to open it ina music player :P
(06/19 19:30:42)  GoMeLeonardo: yes
(06/19 19:30:43)  Musica2: That last one about the podcasting was a killer
(06/19 19:30:51)  Musica2: yes and i hope it works on my itunes
(06/19 19:30:52)  GoMeLeonardo: eheh
(06/19 19:31:01)  GoMeLeonardo: yes it should work righ ton iTunes
(06/19 19:31:06)  Luna(nne): yeah well it is quaterly
(06/19 19:31:14)  Musica2: Thanks. I'm not very techie
(06/19 19:31:30)  Luna(nne): and I'll try to have the translators it something earlier
(06/19 19:31:40)  Luna(nne): since we only need the text, it doesn't have to look good
(06/19 19:31:41)  GoMeLeonardo: oh you're right Lunanne. But you know, you can translate only when you have the final copy of the article XD
(06/19 19:32:17)  Luna(nne): yeah but only the text , even if we have only a few articles especially with the bigger ones it would help
(06/19 19:32:22)  GoMeLeonardo: Theremin used to edit them at the last minute XD
(06/19 19:32:39)  Luna(nne): i'll try to see what I can do :P
(06/19 19:32:43)  GoMeLeonardo: XD
(06/19 19:33:00)  GoMeLeonardo: anything else?
(06/19 19:33:34)  Allan White: Who's gonna post the chatlog, you or me?
(06/19 19:33:51)  GoMeLeonardo: if you post it you will also have to make the summary :P
(06/19 19:34:11)  Allan White: No problem.
(06/19 19:34:14)  GoMeLeonardo: I'll post it...I guess it falls under GM job
(06/19 19:34:23)  Allan White: Okay.
(06/19 19:34:43)  GoMeLeonardo: well....heading to the Watcher's Pub
(06/19 19:34:51)  Luna(nne): yeah :D
(06/19 19:34:52)  GoMeLeonardo: thank for coming guys!
(06/19 19:35:06)  GoMeLeonardo: see you!!!
(06/19 19:35:10) GoMeLeonardo waves goodbye
(06/19 19:35:15)  Allan White: Bye!
(06/19 19:35:17)  Luna(nne): see you
(06/19 19:35:17)  Luna(nne): bye
(06/19 19:35:23)  Musica2: see you Leo

2010, June 5th Chatlog: Guild Interest Weekend

Original forum threads:

http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20379&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

http://www.guildofmessengers.com/en/forum/topic/guild-interest-weekends

(06/05 21:08:51) Chat.log started...
(06/05 21:08:52)  GoMe Marten: Well, the main point here is just to get groups and groups to talk about what they've been doing.  This community is notorious for dividing into little groups and working on things.  This is a chance to let others know what's going on.
(06/05 21:08:53) Marcus Wheeler chuckles
(06/05 21:09:06)  Marcus Wheeler: Sure, I'd be glad to give it a shot
(06/05 21:09:08) Cennie claps her hands
(06/05 21:09:09)  Pokemon71096: Oh really?
(06/05 21:09:10)  Megan Eldred: Is this where our 'guild' stands?
(06/05 21:09:27)  Pokemon71096: goME i have a question!
(06/05 21:09:31)  Cennie: lol
(06/05 21:09:35)  Allan White: Ask it.
(06/05 21:09:39)  Methis: Lol, I think it's free seating :)
(06/05 21:09:46)  Pokemon71096: How do you write an age?
(06/05 21:09:54) Gabby laughs
(06/05 21:10:02)  OHBJECTION!: Pokemon, see the guildofwriters.com website
(06/05 21:10:05)  Luna(nne): well we are the wrong guild
(06/05 21:10:07)  OHBJECTION!: this is not a class :)
(06/05 21:10:08) Pokemon71096 is not joking
(06/05 21:10:09)  Allan White: That's a GoW question...
(06/05 21:10:10)  Methis: Only with the Ink and the Paper, using the Art, haha
(06/05 21:10:13)  Pokemon71096: Thanks
(06/05 21:10:28)  Ladydi2: if it was up to me I would charge for seats if they have any
(06/05 21:10:29)  face in puddle man: q
(06/05 21:10:34)  Allan White: If you're short of ink, you can also use Blender.
(06/05 21:10:34)  Megan Eldred: Lol di
(06/05 21:10:37)  GoMe Marten: Everyone, this is Marcus, who is pretty much the person who started the Guilds Fair event :)
(06/05 21:10:44)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Blender works best. =)
(06/05 21:10:47) Allan White cheers
(06/05 21:10:48) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 21:10:51)  Cennie: hello Markus
(06/05 21:10:51) Kaelis Ebonrai cheers
(06/05 21:10:51)  Marcus Wheeler: Heh, hey everyone.
(06/05 21:10:51)  Pokemon71096: Really? go marcus!
(06/05 21:10:55)  face in puddle man: so its his fault
(06/05 21:10:59)  Cennie: oops Marcus
(06/05 21:11:02) Marcus Wheeler chuckles
(06/05 21:11:10)  Pokemon71096: marcus what guild are you?
(06/05 21:11:13)  Ladydi2: please to meet you Mr Wheeler
(06/05 21:11:20)  Marcus Wheeler: I'm with the Maintainers, Pokemon.
(06/05 21:11:24)  Gabby: The one we will thank im sure lol
(06/05 21:11:28)  Pokemon71096: Gratzi.
(06/05 21:11:33)  Methis: I personally prefer 3D Studio
(06/05 21:11:38)  Ladydi2: me too
(06/05 21:11:41)  OHBJECTION!: Alright...let's move it along. Which Guild is going first?
(06/05 21:11:46)  Exemplary: This is the most people I have ever seen in one age at the same time
(06/05 21:11:48)  Methis: Then again, the last time I used Blender, it was incredibly unstable
(06/05 21:11:50)  Marcus Wheeler: I'm just going to apologize ahead of time in case I botch this up... heh.
(06/05 21:11:58)  Ladydi2: I just named my first Guild
(06/05 21:12:01)  Luna(nne): I can also advise a chair and desk
(06/05 21:12:04) face in puddle man claps his hands
(06/05 21:12:09)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Methis: we've been working on Ages in blender for the past 4 and a half years or so
(06/05 21:12:12)  Marcus Wheeler: Marten told me there's been a lot of rumblings with Subterranian Restorations.
(06/05 21:12:22) Cennie nods her head
(06/05 21:12:23)  Pokemon71096: Guild number 1... Guild OF RObots! come here Ohbot!
(06/05 21:12:27)  Professor Clarke: Indeed. I need to head out soon. Kingsley wants a meeting about Reanodoyha.
(06/05 21:12:31)  Marcus Wheeler: Professor, would you like to talk a bit about what SR has been doing this past month?
(06/05 21:12:40)  Professor Clarke: I can.
(06/05 21:12:43)  Allan White: Okay, let's take the same order as the last time. GoMa!
(06/05 21:12:49)  Pokemon71096: Is SR its own guild?
(06/05 21:12:51)  face in puddle man: go prof
(06/05 21:13:01)  Domna: Yes go on
(06/05 21:13:02)  Luna(nne): it is a group pokemon
(06/05 21:13:05)  Ladydi2: can you use chat please
(06/05 21:13:07)  Pokemon71096: Gracias.
(06/05 21:13:16)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Ladydi - no.
(06/05 21:13:21) OHBJECTION! is using URU BabelBot...                                   
(06/05 21:13:23)  GoMe Marten: OK.  First up then, Professor Clarke, on behalf of Subterranean Restorations.
(06/05 21:13:28)  Domna: Well professor
(06/05 21:13:29) Kaelis Ebonrai claps his hands
(06/05 21:13:30)  Allan White: Pokemon, please raise your hand if you have a question from now on, ok?
(06/05 21:13:30) Pokemon71096 cheers
(06/05 21:13:36) Methis claps his hands
(06/05 21:13:37)  Pokemon71096: Sorry.....
(06/05 21:13:43) Professor Clarke waves hello
(06/05 21:13:46)  Allan White: It's /askquestion.
(06/05 21:13:48) Cennie waves hello
(06/05 21:13:51) Allan White waves hello
(06/05 21:13:52) Domna waves hello
(06/05 21:13:52)  Domna: hello
(06/05 21:13:53)  Pokemon71096: wave
(06/05 21:13:56) Pokemon71096 waves hello
(06/05 21:13:57)  Gabby: Shorah
(06/05 21:14:19)  Professor Clarke: Okay. This month has pretty much been the teams getting back up and running, but we do have some interesting areas we're working on.
(06/05 21:14:31) Kaelis Ebonrai smiles broads.
(06/05 21:14:35)  Kaelis Ebonrai: *broadly
(06/05 21:14:40)  Domna: We are curious to hear your comments
(06/05 21:15:06) Pokemon71096 wants to ask a question...
(06/05 21:15:07)  Professor Clarke: We had begun survey work on the Remin District, a small primarily residential district on the cavern wall
(06/05 21:15:19)  Pokemon71096: Oh that answered it
(06/05 21:15:39)  Professor Clarke: It is that district in which our museum of art is located, which Blake is leading the restoration on.
(06/05 21:15:40) Cennie nods her head
(06/05 21:15:42)  GoMe Marten: [Let's please let Mr. Clarke speak, and if he has time for questions at the end, he may let us all know.]
(06/05 21:15:56)  Domna: i agree
(06/05 21:16:02) face in puddle man claps his hands
(06/05 21:16:02)  Pokemon71096: Sure.
(06/05 21:16:04)  Professor Clarke: I would continue, but a lot of the details are sketchy at this point. For more information and updates, check out subrest.net!
(06/05 21:16:30)  Professor Clarke: We should have areas open to the public within the next month os sor, assuming everything goes well.
(06/05 21:16:34) Professor Clarke bows
(06/05 21:16:39) Allan White claps his hands
(06/05 21:16:40) Cennie claps her hands
(06/05 21:16:42) D'Ana cheers
(06/05 21:16:43)  Ladydi2: HorHAY
(06/05 21:16:43) Methis claps his hands
(06/05 21:16:44) Luna(nne) claps her hands
(06/05 21:16:44) Pokemon71096 cheers
(06/05 21:16:44)  Dra'gossh: next month?
(06/05 21:16:46)  Marcus Wheeler: Hehe
(06/05 21:16:47) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 21:16:47)  Dra'gossh: holy ****
(06/05 21:16:50)  Dra'gossh: can't wait
(06/05 21:16:50) Ladydi2 claps her hands
(06/05 21:16:51) Dra'gossh cheers
(06/05 21:16:52) Exemplary does a dance
(06/05 21:16:53) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 21:16:56) Methis cheers
(06/05 21:16:56)  Ladydi2: may I have my pub
(06/05 21:17:01)  Luna(nne): can I ask a question?
(06/05 21:17:06)  Professor Clarke: Sure
(06/05 21:17:08) warrior26 waves hello
(06/05 21:17:11)  Dra'gossh: is "opening to the public" what I think it is?
(06/05 21:17:27)  Luna(nne): can you join in for a smal amount of work?
(06/05 21:17:33)  Professor Clarke: That was Kingsley, I need to get out if I value my posterior..
(06/05 21:17:36) Pokemon71096 wants to ask a question...
(06/05 21:17:48)  face in puddle man: excuse my ignorance but how do we access these places
(06/05 21:17:52)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Clarke: I've heard whisperings of a place called Damar, in a friend's twitter post.. Is there any chance of telling us about that?
(06/05 21:17:55)  Ladydi2: at this point I would value anything
(06/05 21:17:57)  Dra'gossh: yeah, that is what I want to know
(06/05 21:17:59)  Dra'gossh: face
(06/05 21:18:10) Methis wants to ask a question...
(06/05 21:18:12) Cennie nods her head
(06/05 21:18:20)  Marcus Wheeler: Any questions about accessing these areas we can probably address in private at the end of the meeting.
(06/05 21:18:21)  Professor Clarke: We may be provding individuals with access to our areas. Damar would be the library, the hub of where thosel inks would be located.
(06/05 21:18:36)  Domna: No head
(06/05 21:18:38) Cennie claps her hands
(06/05 21:18:41)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Thank you, Clarke.
(06/05 21:18:50) Gabby cheers
(06/05 21:18:50)  Domna: Clap hands
(06/05 21:18:53)  Professor Clarke: Thank you all. See you around!
(06/05 21:18:54) Kaelis Ebonrai claps his hands
(06/05 21:18:57) Kaelis Ebonrai cheers
(06/05 21:18:59)  Cennie: thank Sir..
(06/05 21:19:01) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 21:19:01) Cennie claps her hands
(06/05 21:19:01)  face in puddle man: thanks prof
(06/05 21:19:03)  Ladydi2: WOW this is so excited
(06/05 21:19:03)  GoMe Marten: Thank you!
(06/05 21:19:04) Methis claps his hands
(06/05 21:19:04)  Marcus Wheeler: Thank you, Clarke. Nice to see you again.
(06/05 21:19:06)  Allan White: Methis had a question, hadn't he?
(06/05 21:19:07)  OHBJECTION!: pokeman, use public chat not PM
(06/05 21:19:08) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 21:19:08)  Domna: hands
(06/05 21:19:09)  Pokemon71096: Will these areas include info?
(06/05 21:19:11)  Methis: Yes, I did
(06/05 21:19:15)  Pokemon71096: bye
(06/05 21:19:16)  face in puddle man: and thanks for visiting my bevin
(06/05 21:19:22) TomVal is using URU BabelBot...                                   
(06/05 21:19:25)  Pokemon71096: Dang too late
(06/05 21:19:38)  Megan Eldred: Yeah methis had a question
(06/05 21:19:38) OHBJECTION! is using URU BabelBot...                                   
(06/05 21:19:42)  Allan White: Gone. Who's next?
(06/05 21:19:49)  Methis: Yeah, but Clarke's left :)
(06/05 21:19:52)  Methis: So..
(06/05 21:19:58)  Marcus Wheeler: Methis, PM me your question in a KI-mail later. I can forward it to Clarke.
(06/05 21:20:05)  face in puddle man: is this just role playing?
(06/05 21:20:08)  Methis: Right, okay :)
(06/05 21:20:14)  Kaelis Ebonrai: actually..
(06/05 21:20:17)  Allan White: Maintainers, get on stage please.
(06/05 21:20:23)  Pokemon71096: Can i doo the same marcus? i have a question..
(06/05 21:20:24)  Marcus Wheeler: Heh...
(06/05 21:20:26)  Kaelis Ebonrai: You can ask Blake directly.
(06/05 21:20:27)  Gabby: I do not think so
(06/05 21:20:27)  Marcus Wheeler: Sure
(06/05 21:20:31)  Pokemon71096: Thx.
(06/05 21:20:38)  Ladydi2: why is Frank on stage
(06/05 21:20:40)  Ladydi2: ROTFL
(06/05 21:20:43)  Kaelis Ebonrai: You can ask OHBot for B. Heatly 's KI number.
(06/05 21:20:49)  Ladydi2: is he sleep walking
(06/05 21:20:55) OHBJECTION! cheers
(06/05 21:20:59) Gabby laughs
(06/05 21:21:03)  Marcus Wheeler: Pretty strong Maintainer showing...
(06/05 21:21:09)  Kaelis Ebonrai: He's turned off his KI at the moment... but... he'll be around.
(06/05 21:21:11)  Megan Eldred: Haha
(06/05 21:21:14)  Marcus Wheeler: . . .
(06/05 21:21:16)  GoMe Marten: Marcus, sounds like your own group is being called for to talk next :)
(06/05 21:21:20)  Ladydi2: wait till you see my Bevin
(06/05 21:21:22)  Ladydi2: ROTFL
(06/05 21:21:33)  Marcus Wheeler: Uh... wow, this keeps getting more and more awkward...
(06/05 21:21:38) Marcus Wheeler waves hello
(06/05 21:21:42) Kaelis Ebonrai waves hello
(06/05 21:21:43) Kaelis Ebonrai cheers
(06/05 21:21:43)  Luna(nne): shall we try to keep the talk central, please?
(06/05 21:21:44) Allan White waves hello
(06/05 21:21:44) Gabby waves hello
(06/05 21:21:44) Cennie waves hello
(06/05 21:21:47) Domna waves hello
(06/05 21:21:47)  Domna: hello
(06/05 21:21:48) Methis waves hello
(06/05 21:21:57) Pokemon71096 waves hello
(06/05 21:21:58) Dra'gossh waves hello
(06/05 21:22:04) D'Ana waves hello
(06/05 21:22:10)  Marcus Wheeler: Hey everyone, I guess I'm the sole representative for the Maintainers this afternoon...
(06/05 21:22:24) Pokemon71096 feels bad for Marcus
(06/05 21:22:25) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 21:22:27)  Domna: Night it is here
(06/05 21:22:28)  Marcus Wheeler: First, if anyone has any general questions about the Guild, feel free to ask now.
(06/05 21:22:53)  Pokemon71096: Yes, i do marcus.
(06/05 21:22:55)  Dra'gossh: how would I go about joining GoMa?
(06/05 21:23:10)  Marcus Wheeler: Dra, I'll address you first.
(06/05 21:23:15)  Dra'gossh: thanks :)
(06/05 21:23:36)  Gabby: Will the guilds be similar to the ones that where in uru on game tap a few years ago?
(06/05 21:23:37)  Marcus Wheeler: If you find your way to the guild forums ((www.guildofmaintainers.org)), you can register to talk on the site.
(06/05 21:23:59)  Megan Eldred: Me too
(06/05 21:24:02)  Marcus Wheeler: After that, if you wish to actually join the Guild, all you must do (at this point in time) is send a PM to a very nice woman named Jishin on the site.
(06/05 21:24:19)  Dra'gossh: gotcha
(06/05 21:24:26)  Marcus Wheeler: Apart from her, I can't remember if others (like Dot or andylegate) can grant you member status. I'll check on that tonight.
(06/05 21:24:28) Gabby cheers
(06/05 21:24:38)  GoMe Marten: I can address Gabby's more general question after Marcus is done answering questions about the Maintainers guild.
(06/05 21:24:40)  Dra'gossh: thank you for the info!
(06/05 21:24:42)  Marcus Wheeler: Now Pokemon, you had a question?
(06/05 21:24:47)  Pokemon71096: Wait we need more that a shirt to join a guild?
(06/05 21:24:52)  Gabby: Ok thank you
(06/05 21:24:53)  Dra'gossh: yes :)
(06/05 21:24:54)  Megan Eldred: Lol
(06/05 21:24:55) Marcus Wheeler chuckles
(06/05 21:24:59)  Pokemon71096: Ohhh
(06/05 21:25:03)  Domna: Yes one does
(06/05 21:25:05)  Marcus Wheeler: To actually take part in Guild "work" yes
(06/05 21:25:23)  Pokemon71096: Im gonna register with the writers later.
(06/05 21:25:28) Marcus Wheeler just remembered he has a pile of linking books back on his desk he needs to go through
(06/05 21:25:49) Dra'gossh is friending Wheeler so he can use his linking books
(06/05 21:25:51)  Marcus Wheeler: Heh, so did you still have a question, Pokemon?
(06/05 21:25:54)  Cennie: If you need any help Sir, we'll be glad to help!!
(06/05 21:26:33) Cennie nudges Dra..
(06/05 21:26:36)  face in puddle man: so how do you 'work'?
(06/05 21:26:41)  Pokemon71096: Oh sorry yes i do
(06/05 21:27:05)  Marcus Wheeler: I'll discuss your question, face, when I get to talking about the GoMa's work this past month.
(06/05 21:27:06)  Pokemon71096: Are there any new ages you plan to "approve" soon
(06/05 21:27:17)  face in puddle man: ok fella
(06/05 21:27:31)  Marcus Wheeler: Heh, like I said, I have at least one or two "new" Ages that I need to get in and write reviews for.
(06/05 21:27:48)  Pokemon71096: Oh ok
(06/05 21:27:54) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 21:27:58)  Marcus Wheeler: But barring any real problems, you should find those notes of mine on the GoMa forums by the end of this week (pending other workloads).
(06/05 21:28:09)  Luna(nne): so what have you been up to last month?
(06/05 21:28:22)  Cennie: Can you tell us anything about the "new" ages?
(06/05 21:28:26)  Marcus Wheeler: Myself personally, not a whole lot. Though I have tried to keep up on Guild events.
(06/05 21:28:44)  Marcus Wheeler: Sorry Cennie, the Ages that were sent in for review... I haven't visited yet.
(06/05 21:28:56) Cennie nods her head
(06/05 21:29:02)  Marcus Wheeler: From what I can garner, things have still been a little slow on the "work" end.
(06/05 21:29:14)  Marcus Wheeler: A lot of what we have to do depends on assistance from Cyan.
(06/05 21:29:14)  Cennie: any reason why?
(06/05 21:29:28)  Cennie: ahh..
(06/05 21:29:32)  Marcus Wheeler: ((Until the game goes OS, we can't really take an "active" role in doing work with the Writers of new Ages))
(06/05 21:29:35)  Cennie: question answered..
(06/05 21:29:46)  Marcus Wheeler: ((For the record, these brackets are for OOC topic discussion))
(06/05 21:30:05)  Ladydi2: Thank you Cennie
(06/05 21:30:18)  Marcus Wheeler: Andy has been posting a few new methods and techniques for improving Age creation. I highly suggest all interested parties look through those.
(06/05 21:30:32) Cennie nods her head
(06/05 21:30:37)  Marcus Wheeler: As of right now, though, there isn't a whole lot to report of that hasn't been done by other Guilds.
(06/05 21:30:43)  Luna(nne): they can eb found on the goma forum?
(06/05 21:30:52)  Luna(nne): *be
(06/05 21:30:55) TomVal wants to ask a question...
(06/05 21:30:56)  Marcus Wheeler: Yes Luna, under Age Creation Tutorials
(06/05 21:31:02)  Marcus Wheeler: Yes, Tom.
(06/05 21:31:14) Cennie continues to scribble..
(06/05 21:31:24)  TomVal: Do you consider accessibility of new Ages too?
(06/05 21:31:40)  Marcus Wheeler: I'm not quite sure what you mean.
(06/05 21:31:46)  Ladydi2: where would I send my Graphic design to if needed
(06/05 21:32:06)  Marcus Wheeler: Do you mean to say if we look at an Age's ability to be visited and enjoyed when we review it?
(06/05 21:32:18) Domna is amazed!
(06/05 21:32:30)  TomVal: yes
(06/05 21:32:51)  Marcus Wheeler: Well, of course, one of our big points in Age review is to ensure that what was meant to be accessible is accessible.
(06/05 21:32:59)  Ladydi2: no I mean if I recieve a idea and I put that to work, where would I send this to
(06/05 21:33:03)  Marcus Wheeler: In the same vein, if we're able to get places we shouldn't, we make that a note.
(06/05 21:33:33)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Uh...
(06/05 21:33:38)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Can I ask something, Marcus?
(06/05 21:33:47)  Marcus Wheeler: ((Again, however, without Drizzle, most of our work is limited)).
(06/05 21:33:51)  Marcus Wheeler: Yes, Kaelis
(06/05 21:33:51)  GoMe Marten: Re: Gabby's (and face-in-puddle-man's) general questions from earlier... there are a number of guilds and groups set up in the Myst/Uru community.  Some of these are guilds who received pubs in 2007 (GameTap, Myst Online "Season One".  And though we "roleplay" by suggesting that our guilds and groups are "researching d'ni history" or "writing Ages", the groups are very real and perform some real activities.)  [Sorry, had this typed out and needed to say it, gotta deal with a PM]
(06/05 21:33:52)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Uh...
(06/05 21:34:08)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Ok, why can you not take an active role with the Guild of Writers?
(06/05 21:34:16)  Kaelis Ebonrai: We're writing Ages now, even.
(06/05 21:34:17)  Marcus Wheeler: Hmm?
(06/05 21:34:20)  Domna: i cannot read so quick
(06/05 21:34:30)  Marcus Wheeler: Heh... I'm afraid I don't speak for the Writers.
(06/05 21:34:43)  Pokemon71096: kaelis are you a writer
(06/05 21:34:46)  Gabby: Thank you for info
(06/05 21:34:51)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Yes, but, you said you cannot currently take an active role, as the maintainers...
(06/05 21:35:00)  Marcus Wheeler: Oh, yes.
(06/05 21:35:03)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Are maintainers testing Ages currently?
(06/05 21:35:04)  face in puddle man: thank you gome
(06/05 21:35:14)  Marcus Wheeler: ((Our tools are limited to using old software modifiers))
(06/05 21:35:18)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Old?
(06/05 21:35:21)  Kaelis Ebonrai: No...
(06/05 21:35:25)  Ladydi2: who is the top person for these Ages is it you or someone about you
(06/05 21:35:27)  Kaelis Ebonrai: We are using Blender..
(06/05 21:35:32)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Not 3dsmax
(06/05 21:35:35)  Marcus Wheeler: ((By use of a tool called "Drizzle," we can access an age created to use in Uru:Complete Chronicles))
(06/05 21:35:35)  Ladydi2: oops obove
(06/05 21:35:39)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Or at least, /most/ of us are not.
(06/05 21:35:47)  Marcus Wheeler: ((Not all people have Uru:CC))
(06/05 21:35:53)  OHBJECTION!: So are you using Drizzle in the GoMa?
(06/05 21:35:59)  Pokemon71096: ((ya, like me))
(06/05 21:36:01) <sniffle> Megan Eldred is sad
(06/05 21:36:05)  Kaelis Ebonrai: That is their choice, however, why is Drizzle a bad thing, Marcus?
(06/05 21:36:10)  Marcus Wheeler: ((So it is difficult to do a lot of "work" because not all people have a copy of Uru:CC, and thereby, they have no way to test their own Ages))
(06/05 21:36:27)  Marcus Wheeler: ((I neither endorse or refute the use of Drizzle, as Cyan has made their position clear))
(06/05 21:36:32)  Dra'gossh: are you in talks with Cyan regarding that?
(06/05 21:36:34)  Pokemon71096: Question!
(06/05 21:36:40)  Kaelis Ebonrai: They have done far from that, Marcus
(06/05 21:36:44)  Methis: ((What is the objection to 3D Studio, beyond that it's not free?))
(06/05 21:37:00)  Marcus Wheeler: ((This is not a place for me to argue Cyan's point, Kaelis))
(06/05 21:37:00)  Pokemon71096: (( is uru:cc the only way to do that?))
(06/05 21:37:04)  Kaelis Ebonrai: As they have not supplied any method of testing Ages, without the use of Drizzle, they may as well be endorsing it.
(06/05 21:37:24)  Marcus Wheeler: ((From what's been said, we cannot test Ages in MOULa, and "modifying" Uru:CC is illegal due to the ToS))
(06/05 21:37:28)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Especially with the knowledge that that is the only way to test...
(06/05 21:37:30)  Lontahv: Piracy is one of the problems with Cyan's plugin.  There is no legal way to get the software.
(06/05 21:37:37)  Kaelis Ebonrai: It is not illegal.
(06/05 21:37:50)  Kaelis Ebonrai: (modding ucc, i mean)
(06/05 21:37:58)  Dra'gossh: it's breaking the TOS, really
(06/05 21:37:59)  Marcus Wheeler: ((Again, you'll have to ask RAWA for explicit terms of what their stance is))
(06/05 21:38:04)  Dra'gossh: which yes, it's not illegal
(06/05 21:38:05)  Domna: Who is checking the security, the maintainers too???
(06/05 21:38:09)  Pokemon71096: ((what is TOS?))
(06/05 21:38:13)  Dra'gossh: it's a breach of contract
(06/05 21:38:15)  Luna(nne): (unrelated to this interesting talk: is my computer making weird noises or is someone accidentally pushing on the tab-key. I would like to know)
(06/05 21:38:17)  OHBJECTION!: TOS = Terms of Service
(06/05 21:38:18)  Lontahv: Indeed, however, using Cyan's tools currently requires getting 3dMax.
(06/05 21:38:34)  Marcus Wheeler: ((All I know is, people should spend less time worrying about legalities and encouraging Cyan to release tools to test Ages legitimately))
(06/05 21:38:34)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Is it, however, a legally enforcable contract, dra'gossh
(06/05 21:38:35)  Kaelis Ebonrai: ?
(06/05 21:38:44)  Dra'gossh: might be, I don't have any clue
(06/05 21:38:45)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Legitamately?
(06/05 21:38:45)  Marcus Wheeler: ((They've done more already than most companies would, we must simply be patient))
(06/05 21:38:52)  GoMe Marten: ((Officially, we are supposed to all be waiting for Cyan to set up a test server.  Until that is available, the accessible methods by which to test Ages remain in "grey areas"; Cyan has made clear that discussion of importing ages into Uru:CC is not permitted on their forums, so whether you think it's illegal or not is really a moot point.)
(06/05 21:38:55)  Kaelis Ebonrai: *legitmately?
(06/05 21:38:56)  Dra'gossh: but Cyan probably doesn't care about Drizzle
(06/05 21:39:07)  Dra'gossh: and modifying Uru:CC
(06/05 21:39:08)  Marcus Wheeler: I'm sorry to the person who I missed a question
(06/05 21:39:18)  Marcus Wheeler: Text is flowing by very quickly, would you care to repeat?
(06/05 21:39:19)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Their forums are not where any discussion takes place... however, so why do we care?
(06/05 21:39:35)  Marcus Wheeler: Kaelis, this dicussion has gone far from a simply question of what the GoMa has done this past month.
(06/05 21:39:40)  OHBJECTION!: So what this boils down to is: You'd like to support the Guild of Writers but you don't want to enter a gray area. Is that correct?
(06/05 21:39:44)  Marcus Wheeler: For the sake of others with questions, I'm going to end the discussion here.
(06/05 21:39:59) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 21:40:02)  Marcus Wheeler: ((We simply do not have access to a lot of Ages, because people need Uru:CC to actually make and test them))
(06/05 21:40:10)  OHBJECTION!: ok
(06/05 21:40:12)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Then why are you saying you test Ages, then?
(06/05 21:40:14)  Marcus Wheeler: ((That is all I meant when I said we can't work as efficiently as we wanted))
(06/05 21:40:22)  GoMe Marten: I can try to type out voice questions, so they are part of the log, if there is someone who needs to use voice.
(06/05 21:40:28)  Domna: i don't understand that but nevertheless
(06/05 21:40:37)  Christian Walther: Why is not having Uru:CC an obstacle? Is it hard to get?
(06/05 21:40:42)  Marcus Wheeler: ((The discussion as a whole, is a gray area))
(06/05 21:40:53)  Kaelis Ebonrai: its $5, chrisitan
(06/05 21:40:55)  Marcus Wheeler: ((If you don't have Uru:CC, there's no way you can "legally" test an Age at this time))
(06/05 21:40:58)  Lynnutte: '
(06/05 21:41:03)  Marcus Wheeler: Any other questions?
(06/05 21:41:07)  Kaelis Ebonrai: shards are /also/ legal.
(06/05 21:41:13)  Kaelis Ebonrai: But, that is neither here nor there.
(06/05 21:41:16)  Lontahv: UruCC is legal.
(06/05 21:41:19)  GoMe Marten: One of the bigger issues with Uru:CC is that it doesn't work correctly on a lot of modern computers.
(06/05 21:41:19)  Gabby: Thank you marcus
(06/05 21:41:21)  Domna: i think it is hard to get
(06/05 21:41:22)  Marcus Wheeler: Any other questions?
(06/05 21:41:25)  Luna(nne): just let  it drop for now
(06/05 21:41:28) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 21:41:34) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 21:41:34)  Kaelis Ebonrai: It works /fine/ on modern computers, marten.
(06/05 21:41:38) Marcus Wheeler scratches the back of his head
(06/05 21:41:48)  Marcus Wheeler: Nothing at all?
(06/05 21:41:59)  Lontahv: Marten> I have a computer from last fall with the newest everything running Windows7 x64 and uruCC works fine.
(06/05 21:42:09)  Marcus Wheeler: Alright then, while we're on the subject, I'll turn things over to the Writers.
(06/05 21:42:11)  GoMe Marten: Kaelis> Both of our statements are correct; it does work fine on /some/, but not /all/, and I am correct when I say /many/.
(06/05 21:42:20)  Luna(nne): yeah but if the goma likes the way they work now we should respect that I think
(06/05 21:42:21)  face in puddle man: is this turning into a punch up?
(06/05 21:42:22) Pokemon71096 says "oy" and wishes he never got into this guild business
(06/05 21:42:24)  Marcus Wheeler: ((Please people, this is a discussion for private means, not during a Guild Fair))
(06/05 21:42:28)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I declare you are incorrect, Marten
(06/05 21:42:29)  Marcus Wheeler: ((Please go to the forums over this))
(06/05 21:42:37)  Kaelis Ebonrai: What forums, Marcus?
(06/05 21:42:38)  Lontahv: Marten> I think it probably is more likely to work on a new computer than an old one.
(06/05 21:42:51)  Marcus Wheeler: ((Either MOUL or GoW or GoMa. Or e-mail RAWA like I suggested))
(06/05 21:43:01)  OHBJECTION!: Alright...GoW - get up there!
(06/05 21:43:13)  Kaelis Ebonrai: you /know/ moul forums don't allow it, and RAWA isn't going to talk about it.
(06/05 21:43:20)  Canine: What's happening.
(06/05 21:43:25)  Marcus Wheeler: Kaelis, please let the topic go.
(06/05 21:43:29)  face in puddle man: chill chaps
(06/05 21:43:29)  Marcus Wheeler: For now, at the least.
(06/05 21:43:31)  Luna(nne): there is a all guilds meeting
(06/05 21:43:49)  Luna(nne): and now it is the writers turn
(06/05 21:43:54)  Canine: Okay. Never been to one of these.
(06/05 21:43:56) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 21:43:57) Pokemon71096 cheers
(06/05 21:43:58) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 21:43:59)  Canine: Hey, I'm a writer.
(06/05 21:44:01) Marcus Wheeler claps his hands
(06/05 21:44:04) Allan White claps his hands
(06/05 21:44:08) Ella Guru claps her hands
(06/05 21:44:09) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 21:44:11) Rilo claps his hands
(06/05 21:44:11)  face in puddle man: good luck out there
(06/05 21:44:12) Lynnutte claps her hands
(06/05 21:44:13) janaba claps her hands
(06/05 21:44:26)  Lontahv: Many things are happening at the Guild of Writers,.
(06/05 21:44:44)  OHBJECTION!: like?
(06/05 21:44:52)  Lontahv: 3 or so projects are activly being developed.
(06/05 21:44:57)  face in puddle man: let him type
(06/05 21:45:00) Pokemon71096 wants to ask a question...
(06/05 21:45:20)  Lontahv: the SR team has moved to the GoW.
(06/05 21:45:29)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I'm working on a couple, myself. =)
(06/05 21:45:35)  Domna: We dont all know the zbbrevations
(06/05 21:45:44)  GoMe Marten: SR = Subterranean Restorations
(06/05 21:45:44)  Pokemon71096: how would i join GoW, and can i join if i do not have uru:cc or a modeling software?
(06/05 21:45:46)  Lontahv: Their projects are coming along nicely, however, they are kept mostly secret.
(06/05 21:45:47)  GoMe Marten: GoW = Guild of Writers.
(06/05 21:46:06)  Domna: Thank you very much
(06/05 21:46:34)  Lontahv: Pokemon71096> You can work on making up ideas.  There is no requirement for skills to join the GoW.
(06/05 21:46:47) warrior26 waves hello
(06/05 21:46:49)  DimensionTravelerCalum: Shorah everyone
(06/05 21:46:57)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I'm working on finding info for RAWA, regarding Seret, with the help of some others, along with OfflineKI patches for Diafero. =)
(06/05 21:46:57)  Lontahv: The only requirement of skills would be joining some of the projects inside the GoW.
(06/05 21:46:57)  Allan White: Shorah Calum
(06/05 21:47:00) warrior26 does a dance
(06/05 21:47:05)  Dra'gossh: Seret...
(06/05 21:47:06)  Dra'gossh: hum
(06/05 21:47:27)  Dra'gossh: does it have anything to do with SubRest's Bevin?
(06/05 21:47:31)  Dra'gossh: err
(06/05 21:47:32)  Kaelis Ebonrai: No.
(06/05 21:47:34)  Dra'gossh: hood
(06/05 21:47:43)  Dra'gossh: oh, ok, so it is a separate thing then
(06/05 21:47:44)  OHBJECTION!: OHBJECTION!
(06/05 21:47:46)  Kaelis Ebonrai: SR's neighborhood is not Seret. =)
(06/05 21:47:53)  Dra'gossh: oh
(06/05 21:47:55)  Dra'gossh: I see
(06/05 21:48:47) GoMe Marten wants to ask a question...
(06/05 21:48:51)  Pokemon71096: if i join the gow forums, am i officially a member?
(06/05 21:49:14)  Kaelis Ebonrai: There's no official membership per se, we are a loose collective, as it were
(06/05 21:49:19)  Kaelis Ebonrai: But, somewhat, yes.
(06/05 21:49:24)  Pokemon71096: GOOD!
(06/05 21:49:27) <sniffle> warrior26 is sad
(06/05 21:49:28)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Marten: Fire away
(06/05 21:49:33)  Dra'gossh: yay
(06/05 21:49:39)  Lontahv: You will be able to ask questions over there.
(06/05 21:49:59)  GoMe Marten: I just want to know if you and Lontahv are typing up more explanation of what GoW is doing, or if you're just taking questions at this point. :)
(06/05 21:50:11)  Kaelis Ebonrai: We are, yes >.>
(06/05 21:50:18)  Lontahv: I was going to talk about PyPRP some.
(06/05 21:50:29)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Lontahv: Very awesome.
(06/05 21:50:34)  Lontahv: PyPRP's development has seemingly slowed.
(06/05 21:50:38)  OHBJECTION!: don't you mean "shiny"?
(06/05 21:50:45)  Kaelis Ebonrai: OHB... =P
(06/05 21:50:49)  Domna: pypRp what is that??
(06/05 21:51:06)  GoMe Marten: PyPRP is the Python interface to accessing and writing Cyan's "PRP" format files, isn't it?
(06/05 21:51:18)  Domna: Ok thanks again
(06/05 21:51:23)  OHBJECTION!: pypArrrp
(06/05 21:51:27)  Lontahv: Yes. It is the Blender exporter for Uru.
(06/05 21:51:40)  Pokemon71096: ......
(06/05 21:51:45)  Pokemon71096: all over my head
(06/05 21:51:53)  Lontahv: The completely fan-made tool which rival's Cyan's 3dMax plugin.
(06/05 21:52:14)  Pokemon71096: where can i get a copy of this software?
(06/05 21:52:25)  Lontahv: The guild of writer's site.
(06/05 21:52:32)  Pokemon71096: thank you.
(06/05 21:52:35) warrior26 does a dance
(06/05 21:52:44) warrior26 does a dance
(06/05 21:52:45) OHBJECTION! does a dance
(06/05 21:52:53) Gabby cheers
(06/05 21:53:06)  Lontahv: This tool can currently create ages for use in Uru:CC.
(06/05 21:53:30)  Lontahv: To work with MOUL it will need many changes.
(06/05 21:53:32)  Canine: Is that the same as MOUL?
(06/05 21:53:37)  Canine: oh, nevermind.
(06/05 21:53:45)  Pokemon71096: if i dont have urucc can i still use it?
(06/05 21:54:03)  Lontahv: Pokemon> Yes, but you can't view the files you export.
(06/05 21:54:05)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Lon: I've heard whispers of a "PyPRP2"?
(06/05 21:54:07)  OHBJECTION!: yes but you won't be able to try out your ages. best to spend the $5 to get it
(06/05 21:54:20)  Lontahv: PyPRP2 is the successor for PyPRP.
(06/05 21:54:22)  Pokemon71096: um its 10$
(06/05 21:54:23)  Canine: How do you get Uru:CC?
(06/05 21:54:35)  Lynnutte: you might find it on ebay.
(06/05 21:54:38)  TomVal: www.gog.com
(06/05 21:54:41)  Kaelis Ebonrai: gog.com
(06/05 21:54:48)  Kaelis Ebonrai: best source for it.
(06/05 21:54:51)  Kaelis Ebonrai: and cheapest.
(06/05 21:54:56)  Pokemon71096: oh
(06/05 21:54:57)  Canine: Ok. So, is it an add-on to MOUL?
(06/05 21:54:57)  Lontahv: It will be able to export to MOUL, Myst5 and Uru:CC.
(06/05 21:54:58)  OHBJECTION!: (not affiliated with the Guild of Greeters)
(06/05 21:54:58)  face in puddle man: ive not seen it on gog
(06/05 21:55:07)  Luna(nne): it is there
(06/05 21:55:12)  face in puddle man: ok
(06/05 21:55:16)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Its definitely on gog.com
(06/05 21:55:22)  face in puddle man: super
(06/05 21:55:26)  Luna(nne): it is a standalone game with almost all the content of moul
(06/05 21:55:28)  Pokemon71096: so i cant view it in moul?
(06/05 21:55:28)  face in puddle man: i'll lok
(06/05 21:55:32)  Lontahv: PyPRP2 will introduce a GUI-based system for age creation.
(06/05 21:55:42)  Pokemon71096: gui?
(06/05 21:55:45)  Kaelis Ebonrai: And you can get the moul content for U:CC, as well, using Drizzle
(06/05 21:55:52)  Marcus Wheeler: Guided User Interface
(06/05 21:55:55)  Lontahv: GUI =Graphical User Interface.
(06/05 21:56:03)  Marcus Wheeler: Heh... right
(06/05 21:56:05)  OHBJECTION!: does it have an "I'm feeling lucky" button for automatic random age generation?
(06/05 21:56:09)  Pokemon71096: which page on gow website has a download?
(06/05 21:56:25)  Lontahv: Pokemon> look on the forums.
(06/05 21:56:26)  Kaelis Ebonrai: lol, OHB
(06/05 21:56:55)  GoMe Marten: (The complete name is "Uru: Complete Chronicles".  Just search for 'Uru' on gog.com and you'll find it.  It's also still for sale via Amazon.com.)
(06/05 21:57:07)  Lontahv: PyPRP2 is currently in development.
(06/05 21:57:14)  Christian Walther: http://guildofwriters.com/wiki/Installing_PyPRP
(06/05 21:57:17)  Pokemon71096: gog has u:cc for $10
(06/05 21:57:36)  Lontahv: It will work with a new version of Blender, Blender 2.6.
(06/05 21:58:21)  OHBJECTION!: well it's $5 PER C...so if you want uru CC that's $10
(06/05 21:58:26)  Lontahv: PyPRP2 is developed enough to create visually appealing ages.
(06/05 21:58:35)  Kaelis Ebonrai: >.>
(06/05 21:58:39)  Pokemon71096: haha
(06/05 21:58:57) Rilo wants to ask a question...
(06/05 21:59:03)  Lontahv: ...although many of the features of PyPRP are in it yet.
(06/05 21:59:18)  Lontahv: Rilo> Ask away
(06/05 21:59:33)  Pokemon71096: brb
(06/05 21:59:52)  Rilo: Is it possible to create a age in sketchup or in vue and get them into blender to create the age?
(06/05 22:00:06)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Its... uh.. it might be.
(06/05 22:00:11)  Lontahv: Yes.  People have done that.
(06/05 22:00:42)  Lontahv: It helps to have someone who knows how to use Blender help you get the age into Uru.
(06/05 22:01:02)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I wouldn't call it necessarily /easy/ but.. Its within the realms of possibility - and what lon said >.>
(06/05 22:01:18)  Lontahv: The members of Guild of Writers will be happy to help you.
(06/05 22:01:30)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Aye, exactly. =)
(06/05 22:01:38)  Rilo: Is there a list of how many units certain things have to be like doors?
(06/05 22:01:44) Marcus Wheeler wants to ask a question...
(06/05 22:01:55)  Lontahv: It would be safe to have each unit equal a foot.
(06/05 22:01:57)  Kaelis Ebonrai: an avatar is.. 6 blender units tall ( a male)
(06/05 22:02:09)  Kaelis Ebonrai: but, yes, that. =)
(06/05 22:02:13)  OHBJECTION!: make sure the electrical and plumming is up to spec too
(06/05 22:02:26)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Marcus: Yes?
(06/05 22:02:32)  Rilo: ok thanks
(06/05 22:02:52)  Marcus Wheeler: How accessible would you say your tutorial system is?
(06/05 22:03:13)  Marcus Wheeler: About a year ago, I attempted to pick up Blender using your tutorial system, and found myself lost in a mire of tech language and a cumbersome search system.
(06/05 22:03:23)  Lontahv: Our tutorial system won't help someone who doesn't already know Blender.
(06/05 22:03:32)  Pokemon71096: so if i can draw an age and have sketchup, i can be a fairly successful writer?
(06/05 22:03:33)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I learnt all the Age creation stuff I've done in less than a week, to get started. And I used the GoW tutorials.
(06/05 22:03:53)  Lontahv: I would reccomend you read some of Blender's tutorials first.
(06/05 22:03:54)  Luna(nne): on the web there are also a great number of tutorials for blender
(06/05 22:04:03)  Kaelis Ebonrai: But - I've spent years doing blender stuff, so.
(06/05 22:04:37)  Marcus Wheeler: I guess that's my question
(06/05 22:04:40)  Pokemon71096: omg i thot this was a game i play after shcool...
(06/05 22:04:49)  Marcus Wheeler: Are you planning on providing tutorials to get people introduced into Blender?
(06/05 22:05:08)  Kaelis Ebonrai: But, as luna(nne) says, blender tutorials on the internet - a big help.
(06/05 22:05:13)  Marcus Wheeler: A friend of mine attempted to get a footing in the GoW, but found themselves of little use to anyone because they could find a way to learn Blender, and through it, age creation
(06/05 22:05:23)  Lontahv: Pokemon> If you're good at using sketchup and are willing to learn how to use our Blender3d plugin, you can be a very sucessful writer.
(06/05 22:05:51)  Domna: It is also the story  not only sketching
(06/05 22:05:56)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Marcus: that's not the Writer's fault. =P
(06/05 22:06:12)  Kaelis Ebonrai: *Writers'
(06/05 22:06:24)  Pokemon71096: but must a writer do all steps to create an age?
(06/05 22:06:35)  Lontahv: Story is generally much easier to develop than the actual visuals for an age.
(06/05 22:06:36)  OHBJECTION!: yes
(06/05 22:06:58)  Marcus Wheeler: I don't mean to sound accusatory, Kaelis, but from what you're saying, it's impossible to be of any "help" to the Writers unless you understand Blender...
(06/05 22:07:02)  Pokemon71096: so there are no multiple=writer ages?
(06/05 22:07:11)  OHBJECTION!: he didn't say that
(06/05 22:07:16)  Domna: Ok but that is why there is a team working together I guess
(06/05 22:07:20)  OHBJECTION!: he said the opposite of that
(06/05 22:07:32)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Indeed, OHB. =)
(06/05 22:07:48)  janaba: yes, there are, pokemon :-=
(06/05 22:07:51)  Kaelis Ebonrai: The current plugin has been developed for blender...
(06/05 22:07:51)  Lontahv: Pokemon> If you want to join a large team project as a modeler, ask someone on the GoW.
(06/05 22:07:55)  Marcus Wheeler: OHB, I've seen literally dozens of pages of concept art, story ideas and thoughts that haven't been touched in years because the creator didn't put them into a 3D form
(06/05 22:08:09)  OHBJECTION!: that's up to the creator
(06/05 22:08:23)  Lontahv: Marcus> The same goes for Cyan.
(06/05 22:08:24)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Marcus: How else do you expect to visit them in Uru? And, as OHB said, up to the creator
(06/05 22:08:25)  OHBJECTION!: there are plenty of people currently working on ages that don't do 3D modeling
(06/05 22:08:29)  Pokemon71096: so. can i be a "casual" writer ie. draw and sketcchup a model only?
(06/05 22:08:31)  Domna: Some may be good at writing others at 3D
(06/05 22:08:33)  OHBJECTION!: they work as a team
(06/05 22:08:39)  OHBJECTION!: if someone wants to make an age - make it happen
(06/05 22:08:50)  OHBJECTION!: and i'm not part of the GoW - i just know that from what i hear
(06/05 22:08:52)  Marcus Wheeler: Fair enough I suppose, I may have just mis-read what I was seeing. My apologies.
(06/05 22:09:07)  Lontahv: Pokemon> If you can use sketchup well, and draw, I'm sure you'll be a great person to have on an age-creation team.
(06/05 22:09:18)  OHBJECTION!: but to say the unpopular thing...the GoW has had 25 minutes of stage time...i think it's time to wrap it up
(06/05 22:09:20)  Pokemon71096: thank you.
(06/05 22:09:22)  GoMe Marten: The reality is, that we don't have a huge group of writers twiddling their thumbs looking for ideas.  Those who are writers, are working on ideas.  And there are more ideas than writers.
(06/05 22:09:41)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Indeed, Marten
(06/05 22:09:46)  Lontahv: Exactly
(06/05 22:09:47) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 22:09:54)  Domna: i asm an old fashioned painter
(06/05 22:09:57)  Marcus Wheeler: Thank you, you two.
(06/05 22:09:59) Marcus Wheeler claps his hands
(06/05 22:10:01)  Pokemon71096: one last questin
(06/05 22:10:02) TomVal claps his hands
(06/05 22:10:03) Allan White claps his hands
(06/05 22:10:03) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 22:10:04) OHBJECTION! claps his hands
(06/05 22:10:11) fallcer37 claps his hands
(06/05 22:10:12) janaba claps her hands
(06/05 22:10:14)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Domna: I'll be honest with you - I'd /love/ to see painting on the forums.
(06/05 22:10:14)  GoMe Marten: I think there's room in this community for all sorts of creativity, even if it doesn't all get converted into Ages we can visit. :)  Thank you, GoW!
(06/05 22:10:15) Rilo claps his hands
(06/05 22:10:20) Luna(nne) claps her hands
(06/05 22:10:20) Kaelis Ebonrai bows
(06/05 22:10:25) Lontahv bows
(06/05 22:10:25) D'Ana claps her hands
(06/05 22:10:29)  Domna: Ok, but how and where
(06/05 22:10:33)  Kaelis Ebonrai: There are so many things that can be done with paintings >.>
(06/05 22:10:39)  Domna: In the art gallery?
(06/05 22:10:50)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Post it in the Artist's section =D
(06/05 22:10:51)  OHBJECTION!: concept art for an age?
(06/05 22:10:55)  OHBJECTION!: etc
(06/05 22:10:55)  GoMe Marten: Domna> There is a "Creativity" forum on the Myst Online forums.  That's just one place you can explore to share ideas and artwork.
(06/05 22:10:56)  Domna: Ok
(06/05 22:10:57)  OHBJECTION!: who's next?
(06/05 22:11:04)  Lontahv: Domna> We can use paintings for the sky of a world
(06/05 22:11:11)  OHBJECTION!: anyone from the Cartographers guild here?
(06/05 22:11:16)  Domna: i would like that
(06/05 22:11:19)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Paintings are a wonderful way of developing ideas for an age, too
(06/05 22:11:27)  Kaelis Ebonrai: and, also...
(06/05 22:11:36)  OHBJECTION!: i guess not...
(06/05 22:11:40)  GoMe Marten: Cartographers, Messengers, Greeters, Archivists, any of those groups or others who've not presented, please speak up.
(06/05 22:11:40)  Pokemon71096: enough about paintings.
(06/05 22:11:41)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Actual.. well.. paintings in an office, or an Age, too
(06/05 22:11:42)  OHBJECTION!: i'm gonna take the stage them
(06/05 22:11:46) GoMe Marten raises his hand for the Messengers.
(06/05 22:12:02)  Pokemon71096: guild of archivists?
(06/05 22:12:14)  GoMe Marten: OBJ: which group do you want to talk for? :)
(06/05 22:12:20)  Luna(nne): haven't seen teh archivists for some time
(06/05 22:12:27)  Pokemon71096: they exist?
(06/05 22:12:30)  OHBJECTION!: ok fine i'll speak :)
(06/05 22:12:40) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 22:12:43)  Luna(nne): i think they existed
(06/05 22:12:46) Allan White claps his hands
(06/05 22:12:47)  OHBJECTION!: alright i'm here for the Guild of Greeters
(06/05 22:12:52) Rilo claps his hands
(06/05 22:12:53) Lontahv claps his hands
(06/05 22:12:55) Gabby cheers
(06/05 22:12:57) Kaelis Ebonrai claps his hands
(06/05 22:12:59) Pokemon71096 claps his hands
(06/05 22:12:59) Luna(nne) claps her hands
(06/05 22:13:01) janaba claps her hands
(06/05 22:13:06) Marcus Wheeler had wondered who OHB represented...
(06/05 22:13:14)  OHBJECTION!: last month I spoke about the possibility for new greeters to join up. we have been discussing it internally and I have been pushing for it. I think there's a good shot that it'll happen soon.
(06/05 22:13:18) Gabby laughs
(06/05 22:13:18)  Allan White: The Archivists founded the Librarians and then they stopped existing both...
(06/05 22:13:40)  GoMe Marten: OHBJ for the Greeters :)
(06/05 22:13:42)  OHBJECTION!: other than that, to be honest, there's really not much happening at the GoG. But I'll take 2 minutes for questions IF there are any questions about the GoG?
(06/05 22:13:44)  Abjab: (Guild of Robots ?
(06/05 22:13:48)  OHBJECTION!: (just OHB)
(06/05 22:13:48)  TomVal: Nice to hear it OHB
(06/05 22:14:00)  Pokemon71096: question!
(06/05 22:14:02)  OHBJECTION!: i'll speak about Guild of Robots next
(06/05 22:14:06)  OHBJECTION!: pokemon? question?
(06/05 22:14:21)  Abjab: Will our volunteer Greeters Return  as such ?
(06/05 22:14:23)  Gabby: Ok gog is it still thier to help players around the gavern?
(06/05 22:14:30)  Pokemon71096: yes. to be frank, do u do more then say "hi" to people?
(06/05 22:14:35)  Gabby: Cavern
(06/05 22:14:46)  OHBJECTION!: there are many greeters from uru itterations past that have retired
(06/05 22:14:48) Kaelis Ebonrai says DOH!
(06/05 22:14:56)  Abjab: ahh
(06/05 22:14:58)  OHBJECTION!: there are many active on the forums that aren't often in the cavern
(06/05 22:15:21)  OHBJECTION!: and there is a sense amongst some greeters that there isn't much to do in the cavern...a viewpoint some of us are arguing against.
(06/05 22:15:23)  Pokemon71096: obj? what does your guild do?
(06/05 22:15:40)  Canine: The GoG has been helping me a lot.
(06/05 22:15:56)  GoMe Marten: OHB> After Pokemon's question (of what the Greeters do, exactly - which would be good to review), there was some discussion last time on some reworking of the tutorials at GoG.  Any news on that?
(06/05 22:15:57)  TomVal: I think they were help for most of us
(06/05 22:15:57)  Canine: I've gotten lots of help around the cavern, I'm a newb. XD
(06/05 22:15:57)  OHBJECTION!: Pokemon, check out the description downstairs or the GoG website (www.guildofgreeters.com) for more info. but in a nutshell, we welcome people to the cavern who are new, help them get started and integrated intot he community.
(06/05 22:16:28) Gabby cheers
(06/05 22:16:32)  Pokemon71096: ohhh so the people who help em with ages a lot
(06/05 22:16:51)  OHBJECTION!: Marten, virtually all of the tutorials remain unchanged because changes weren't necessary. however, there are some who continue to go through and make sure that they are updated with the most recent information available.
(06/05 22:16:59)  OHBJECTION!: Welcome Canine! :)
(06/05 22:17:08) OHBJECTION! barks for Canine!
(06/05 22:17:11)  Pokemon71096: go fellow newb!
(06/05 22:17:15)  OHBJECTION!: any other questions before i move on?
(06/05 22:17:33)  OHBJECTION!: and...DING Time's Up.
(06/05 22:17:35)  OHBJECTION!: OK moving on
(06/05 22:17:40)  OHBJECTION!: Guild of Robots
(06/05 22:18:07)  OHBJECTION!: nothing to report about OHBot other than 2 days ago he answered his 50,000th question!
(06/05 22:18:14)  OHBJECTION!: and he's almost met 2000 people
(06/05 22:18:15)  Pokemon71096: woot
(06/05 22:18:24) Gabby cheers
(06/05 22:18:26)  OHBJECTION!: so that's cool
(06/05 22:18:27)  GoMe Marten: He's almost met, or he's met almost?
(06/05 22:18:29) Musica2 cheers
(06/05 22:18:30)  janaba: cool :-)
(06/05 22:18:37)  Aqueous Haze: cool =D
(06/05 22:18:39)  Pokemon71096: i didnt know there were 2000 people in the cavern
(06/05 22:18:52) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 22:18:56)  OHBJECTION!: in related news, I've posted in the MOUL forums about one of my other projects called URU BabelBot
(06/05 22:18:58)  Musica2: Easy with multiple avvies
(06/05 22:19:03)  OHBJECTION!: you may even have seen it mentioned around
(06/05 22:19:08)  OHBJECTION!: !ping
(06/05 22:19:08)  Kaelis Ebonrai: PONG! [URU BabelBot 0.9.2.21]
(06/05 22:19:11)  D'Ana: thats why he hasnt got time to change clothes...
(06/05 22:19:12)  Allan White: There are almost 30 000 accounts Pokemon.
(06/05 22:19:21)  Pokemon71096: oh wow
(06/05 22:19:37)  Allan White: Most of them abandoned of course.
(06/05 22:19:38)  OHBJECTION!: well, URU BabelBot is a tool for communication in the cavern.
(06/05 22:19:46)  Pokemon71096: oh
(06/05 22:19:48)  OHBJECTION!: It removes language barriers letting you speak to people in 14 languages
(06/05 22:19:54)  OHBJECTION!: (more languages to follow)
(06/05 22:20:00) Allan White cheers
(06/05 22:20:00) Rilo wants to ask a question...
(06/05 22:20:01)  Pokemon71096: Question!
(06/05 22:20:11) fallcer37 cheers
(06/05 22:20:12)  OHBJECTION!: it's also got some nifty other features and it's currently being beta tested
(06/05 22:20:29)  Gabby: Fantastic
(06/05 22:20:34)  Pokemon71096: does it work for text and voice chat?
(06/05 22:20:45)  TomVal: Text chat only
(06/05 22:20:47)  OHBJECTION!: It's not YET publically available. HOWEVER, everyone here may sign up to be a beta tester in the MOUL forums...and as a reward for attending, anyone here who asks to be a BETA tester will be approved.
(06/05 22:21:10)  Pokemon71096: May i?
(06/05 22:21:15)  OHBJECTION!: pokemon, only text is translated :) but it can turn text into speech and speak to you what people are saying.
(06/05 22:21:16)  Luna(nne): and you need to run moul windowed
(06/05 22:21:34)  Pokemon71096: may i be a beta tester?
(06/05 22:21:37)  OHBJECTION!: yes...hopefully for version 2 running in a window won't be a requirement
(06/05 22:21:54)  Rilo: can ohbot be used to gain statistical information about people in ages?
(06/05 22:22:07)  OHBJECTION!: if you want to be a BETA tester, go to the MOUL forums into the Spoiler Free section and reply to the URU BabelBot thread there.
(06/05 22:22:14)  OHBJECTION!: Rilo, hang on.
(06/05 22:22:14)  Pokemon71096: i did....
(06/05 22:22:24)  Pokemon71096: sorry, rilo.
(06/05 22:22:39)  OHBJECTION!: As part of the larger BabelBot project, translating URU and localizing it for people in other countries is part of the goal.
(06/05 22:22:40) Pokemon71096 says sorry to Rilo
(06/05 22:22:48)  Pokemon71096: ok
(06/05 22:22:54)  OHBJECTION!: To that end, in the coming weeks I will be launching a crowd-sourced translation project for URU.
(06/05 22:23:05) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 22:23:11) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 22:23:12)  OHBJECTION!: If you speak English + another language, you can help translate URU into another language for others who come after you who don't speak English.
(06/05 22:23:14) Kaelis Ebonrai claps his hands
(06/05 22:23:16)  Christian Walther: You know that it already contains a lot of translations, they're just unused?
(06/05 22:23:50)  OHBJECTION!: this is a VERY long term project...and there are many things that need to be in place before we are able to integrate the translations into the client, but when that time comes, we'll be ready and good to go.
(06/05 22:24:10) Gabby cheers
(06/05 22:24:11)  OHBJECTION!: Christian, I'm aware of every single item in the localization databases that URU uses :)
(06/05 22:24:26)  OHBJECTION!: so stay tuned for more information about that.
(06/05 22:24:27)  Christian Walther: Great. Just make sure your translators are too so they don't repeat the work :)
(06/05 22:24:41)  OHBJECTION!: Rilo, you asked if OHBot can be used to gather statistical information. Could you elaborate?
(06/05 22:25:15)  OHBJECTION!: Christian, the interface is specially designed for doing the crowd-source translations. No work will be done that's unncessary :)
(06/05 22:25:24)  Pokemon71096: can we join the guild of robots? I'm a robot!
(06/05 22:25:31)  OHBJECTION!: no you're not
(06/05 22:25:33)  OHBJECTION!: so no you can't
(06/05 22:25:35)  Pokemon71096: awww
(06/05 22:25:36)  OHBJECTION!: :)
(06/05 22:25:38)  janaba: lol
(06/05 22:25:40) <sniffle> Pokemon71096 is sad
(06/05 22:25:51)  Rilo: Ok lets say you park the bot in a age, while its left on people come in and out and spend their time at the age, can THe bot be used to gain information on what goes on?
(06/05 22:25:53)  OHBJECTION!: ask ohbot to sing "cry me a river" for you  :)
(06/05 22:26:10)  OHBJECTION!: Rilo, OHBot sees and remembers everything that goes on around him.
(06/05 22:26:14)  Rilo: Like how many visits what people talk about usually ect.
(06/05 22:26:24)  Pokemon71096: fancy.
(06/05 22:26:35)  OHBJECTION!: all of that information is stored...but it's only accessible to me if i write a query to get at it
(06/05 22:26:36)  Canine: OHBot sounds like Big Brother from 1985.
(06/05 22:26:40)  Canine: 1984
(06/05 22:26:48)  GoMe Marten: I imagine the main topic around OHBot is OHBot.
(06/05 22:26:51)  Pokemon71096: 1983
(06/05 22:26:52)  OHBJECTION!: ohbot does that so he can iteract with his environment
(06/05 22:26:55)  Pokemon71096: 182
(06/05 22:26:58)  OHBJECTION!: *interact
(06/05 22:27:04)  Rilo: Can it be used as a multi age communication tool?
(06/05 22:27:18)  Rilo: like mergine age chat between different ages
(06/05 22:27:21)  OHBJECTION!: rilo, no at this time. but you can chat to OHBot from wherever you are
(06/05 22:27:23)  Rilo: *merging
(06/05 22:27:42)  Canine: So for the newbs, can you tell us the basics of what OHBot is?
(06/05 22:27:47)  OHBJECTION!: Rilo, no. OHBot can only hear/see what happens near him. For example, he's not here, therefore he can't hear/see what's going on.
(06/05 22:27:59)  GoMe Marten: That's an interesting idea... using OHB to create custom chat groups, so one isn't limited strictly to "Buddies".
(06/05 22:28:09)  OHBJECTION!: Canine, OHBot is URU's first and only artificial intelligent computer controlled avatar.
(06/05 22:28:15)  Pokemon71096: orangehairedboy.net will tell u about ohbot
(06/05 22:28:22)  Pokemon71096: as ohb knows
(06/05 22:28:26)  OHBJECTION!: you can visit him in the Guild of Robots Bevin or go to the website that Pokemon mentioned.
(06/05 22:28:35)  GoMe Marten: Rilo, is that what you had in mind?
(06/05 22:28:37)  OHBJECTION!: he's all sorts of entertaining.
(06/05 22:28:43)  Canine: Ok. Thanks.
(06/05 22:28:49)  OHBJECTION!: you're welcome :P
(06/05 22:28:55)  Domna: so when OHBot is rude, whose fault is that?
(06/05 22:29:06)  Pokemon71096: blame the creator
(06/05 22:29:06)  Kaelis Ebonrai: OHBot's. =P
(06/05 22:29:08)  OHBJECTION!: probably yours lol
(06/05 22:29:10)  OHBJECTION!: haha sorry
(06/05 22:29:17) janaba starts to laugh
(06/05 22:29:19)  OHBJECTION!: he's RARELY rude
(06/05 22:29:21)  GoMe Marten: Like a parrot that learns a bad word.
(06/05 22:29:27)  OHBJECTION!: i designed him to be not rude
(06/05 22:29:34)  Domna: No, becaue I heared him pon some occations
(06/05 22:29:35)  Nettey: blame the neighbors
(06/05 22:29:35)  OHBJECTION!: but sometimes he says something that's quite sarcastic
(06/05 22:30:00)  OHBJECTION!: and occasionally there's an unexpected result - which is just the nature of the beast - that that response could be taken rudely or it might be just funny
(06/05 22:30:27)  Domna: Sorry I try to type to quickly
(06/05 22:30:36)  OHBJECTION!: Domna, unless I know specifically what you're talking about I couldn't see what he was thinking at the time. If you see him being rude and I'm online, just tell me and I'll see what happened.
(06/05 22:30:36)  Domna: Ok
(06/05 22:30:48)  OHBJECTION!: Last call for questions and I'll hand things over to the Messengers.
(06/05 22:30:49)  Domna: Ok thanks
(06/05 22:31:27)  Gabby: Thank you for taking your time to inform us
(06/05 22:31:30) Abjab thinks that OHBot might be the finest communicator we have
(06/05 22:31:31) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 22:31:34) Allan White claps his hands
(06/05 22:31:38) janaba thanks you very much!
(06/05 22:31:41) Nettey claps her hands
(06/05 22:31:43) Luna(nne) claps her hands
(06/05 22:31:43) janaba claps her hands
(06/05 22:31:44) TomVal claps his hands
(06/05 22:31:50) Rilo claps his hands
(06/05 22:31:56) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 22:32:02) Kaelis Ebonrai claps his hands
(06/05 22:32:03)  OHBJECTION!: OH...one final thing
(06/05 22:32:04) janaba does a dance
(06/05 22:32:09)  OHBJECTION!: Domna sorry I'm going to discuss your PM here
(06/05 22:32:22)  OHBJECTION!: Domna mentioned that OHBot was rude earlier and he made a comment about raping people.
(06/05 22:32:23) Abjab fears two bots translating to each other could be Unstable
(06/05 22:32:27)  OHBJECTION!: let me say what happened.
(06/05 22:32:38)  OHBJECTION!: OHBot has the ability to translate 30 languages.
(06/05 22:32:56)  OHBJECTION!: Someone asked ohbot to translate a phrase in french to english. The rape comment (if you saw it earlier) was the translated french.
(06/05 22:33:04)  OHBJECTION!: OHBot doesn't KNOW what he's translating I'm afraid.
(06/05 22:33:11)  OHBJECTION!: I banned that person from OHBot for abuse.
(06/05 22:33:20)  OHBJECTION!: So...I do apologize if you saw that.
(06/05 22:33:28)  OHBJECTION!: I hate seeing OHBot used in a bad way like that.
(06/05 22:33:30)  OHBJECTION!: the end.
(06/05 22:33:36) Allan White claps his hands
(06/05 22:33:36) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 22:33:41) Kaelis Ebonrai claps his hands
(06/05 22:33:41) Canine claps her hands
(06/05 22:33:42) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 22:33:43) Nettey claps her hands
(06/05 22:33:43) janaba claps her hands
(06/05 22:33:47) GoMe Marten claps his hands
(06/05 22:33:51) Kaelis Ebonrai cheers
(06/05 22:33:52)  Marcus Wheeler: Thank you, that was very informative
(06/05 22:33:52) TomVal claps his hands
(06/05 22:33:54) D'Ana claps her hands
(06/05 22:34:00)  OHBJECTION!: and with that...I'll remind you all go to sign up to be a BETA Tester for URU BabelBot and I'll turn things over the to GoMe
(06/05 22:34:28) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 22:34:29)  GoMe Marten: OK.  I think we have today, Lun(anne), Musica, Rilo, Allan, and myself for the Messengers.  And Kaelis, who spoke earlier, also moonlights with us.
(06/05 22:34:31)  Allan White: Hey, come up here!
(06/05 22:34:34) Domna claps her hands
(06/05 22:34:46) janaba cheers
(06/05 22:34:50) Gabby cheers
(06/05 22:34:55)  GoMe Marten: Rilo is the newest member, joined today!
(06/05 22:34:55)  Luna(nne): canaries to the stage! :P
(06/05 22:35:01)  Nettey: lol
(06/05 22:35:09)  Gabby: Clap
(06/05 22:35:15) janaba claps her hands
(06/05 22:35:18) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 22:35:19) Abjab claps his hands
(06/05 22:35:27) To Rilo: Come down, please.
(06/05 22:35:35)  OHBJECTION!: one of these things is not like the others...
(06/05 22:35:41)  GoMe Marten: Although we seem to the the most numerous, this is probably going to be pretty short.  Not much has changed in the past month.
(06/05 22:35:44) OHBJECTION! points
(06/05 22:35:44)  OHBJECTION!: it's KAELIS!
(06/05 22:35:44) Nettey starts to laugh
(06/05 22:35:47)  Kaelis Ebonrai: XD
(06/05 22:35:51)  GoMe Marten: Oh, it's Tanshiin, come on down :)  Also one of us.
(06/05 22:35:59)  Maks: Ect kto iz Rossii?
(06/05 22:36:00)  Tanshin: Wow, did I really just log in as you were starting :P
(06/05 22:36:09)  Tanshin: Must have ESP or something
(06/05 22:36:11)  GoMe Marten: Been going for 1.5 hrs, Tan :)
(06/05 22:36:21)  GoMe Marten: Just the Messengers turn now
(06/05 22:36:23)  Tanshin: Well, I logged on when you were up here
(06/05 22:36:26)  Tanshin: So that's what counts
(06/05 22:36:58)  Tanshin: I would have been on sooner, but there's a lovely severe tstorm warning and tornado watch up
(06/05 22:37:01)  janaba: -)
(06/05 22:37:15)  GoMe Marten: The important news is... we continue to maintain the events KImail, so if you want onto our subscription list, let us know.  Irissa is missing, if you hear from her, please let us know... so no further news on the Cavern Events Services she was working on.
(06/05 22:37:17)  Gabby: Oh no
(06/05 22:37:21)  Rilo: Ct has a tornando warning too
(06/05 22:37:33)  Tanshin: Ah, Rilo you know what I'm talking about then :P I'm in Simsbury
(06/05 22:37:34)  GoMe Marten: Lynnutte has resumed as head of the Cavern Criers, we're glad she is back.
(06/05 22:37:41)  Canine: KIMail events?
(06/05 22:38:14)  Canine: Where can I sign up for event mail?
(06/05 22:38:20)  janaba: ohh, I still need this events KImail :-)
(06/05 22:38:31)  GoMe Marten: The Events KImail is a KI message we share with anyone who are interested, we keep it updated with the calendar of upcoming events.  It's like having a text version of the GoMe calendar, here in the cavern.
(06/05 22:38:31)  Allan White: I sent you a mail Canine.
(06/05 22:38:32)  Gabby: Sorry just gotta say stay safe in them winds
(06/05 22:38:40)  Canine: Thanks.
(06/05 22:39:02) From GoMe Marten: janaba wants one too :)
(06/05 22:39:06)  Gabby: Lol
(06/05 22:39:26)  Musica2: yea lynutte
(06/05 22:39:43)  janaba: thanks a lot Allan :-)
(06/05 22:39:53)  Maks: russkie est???
(06/05 22:39:57)  GoMe Marten: We are also still looking for people who might be interested in writing articles, as we consider resuming our e-mail and web-based newspaper.  Nothing firm on that yet.  But we are looking for contributors.
(06/05 22:39:58)  Pokemon71096: oh may oi have kit
(06/05 22:40:12)  Pokemon71096: may i have the ki mail
(06/05 22:40:19)  Luna(nne): can I say something on that Marten?
(06/05 22:40:21)  Allan White: Hang on Pokemon.
(06/05 22:40:25) From Canine: A,D,E if I should tell you now.
(06/05 22:40:26)  Pokemon71096: yes sir
(06/05 22:40:33)  GoMe Marten: Absolutely, lunanne!
(06/05 22:40:36) TomVal wants to ask a question...
(06/05 22:40:45)  Luna(nne): fire away tom
(06/05 22:41:13)  TomVal: What kind of articles you mean to be contained in GoMe newspaper/emailmag?
(06/05 22:41:23) To Canine: Here you are.
(06/05 22:41:27)  Luna(nne): well shall I first explain our ideas on it?
(06/05 22:41:35)  TomVal: yes
(06/05 22:41:43)  GoMe Marten: Yeah, let's see if Lunanne's description answers your question.
(06/05 22:41:51)  Luna(nne): as you might have heard we are reviving the newspaper
(06/05 22:41:57) OHBJECTION! @ 2000
(06/05 22:42:07) janaba cheers
(06/05 22:42:08)  Luna(nne): for anyone who has seen the old version it will be different from that
(06/05 22:42:21)  Luna(nne): we decided we cannot keep up with the news to make it valuable
(06/05 22:42:44)  Luna(nne): so we are thinking on a more magazin kind of thing with columns from the guilds
(06/05 22:42:47) From Pokemon71096: allan i would like KI mails A, B, C, D, and E.
(06/05 22:42:50)  Luna(nne): wellat least the writers
(06/05 22:42:51)  GoMe Marten: Right.  By the time we publish the news in the newspaper, it's been on our feed for days, sometimes weeks.
(06/05 22:43:01)  Luna(nne): and a international page(s)
(06/05 22:43:09)  Luna(nne): with events from the international community
(06/05 22:43:10)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I'm a messenger as well as a Writer, Luna. =)
(06/05 22:43:17)  Luna(nne): I know XD
(06/05 22:43:25) From Pokemon71096: you can be in 2 guilds?
(06/05 22:43:26)  Lynnutte: Then get up here!
(06/05 22:43:28)  Kaelis Ebonrai: >.>
(06/05 22:43:30)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I am!
(06/05 22:43:31)  GoMe Marten: (By the way, back issues of the newspaper are still available at our website, guildofmessengers.com; hit the "newspapers" link)
(06/05 22:43:35)  Kaelis Ebonrai: look behind you!
(06/05 22:43:36) Marcus Wheeler blinks...
(06/05 22:43:37)  Pokemon71096: you can be in 2 guilds?
(06/05 22:43:40)  Luna(nne): we are still looking for more content though so ideas are welcome
(06/05 22:43:40)  Lynnutte: oh lol
(06/05 22:43:42) OHBJECTION! points
(06/05 22:43:42)  OHBJECTION!: he sticks out like a sore thumb!
(06/05 22:43:51) Lynnutte giggles
(06/05 22:43:56)  Tanshin: lol
(06/05 22:44:02)  OHBJECTION!: a sore thumb in a hawaiian shirt!
(06/05 22:44:04)  Lynnutte: I'm blind today
(06/05 22:44:04)  Marcus Wheeler: Technically, Pokemon, I think every guild allows multi-guild work so long as you're active. I may be wrong.
(06/05 22:44:07) Kaelis Ebonrai is laughing up a storm, here.
(06/05 22:44:18)  GoMe Marten: Anyone can be in as many guilds as they wish... though most people tend to find a "comfort spot" and spend most time working with one guild.
(06/05 22:44:19)  Luna(nne): so anyone questions on the newsmagazine?
(06/05 22:44:28)  Luna(nne): or ideas
(06/05 22:44:47)  OHBJECTION!: got a suggestion for them pokemon?
(06/05 22:44:50)  Luna(nne): sudden inspiration to get involved maybe....
(06/05 22:44:59)  Lynnutte: hopefully
(06/05 22:45:08)  Tanshin: I can say that I have Adobe InDesign, so if you want me to try and lay things out, I'd love to
(06/05 22:45:11)  Pokemon71096: wait what?
(06/05 22:45:16)  Gabby: When you have time please send me kimail thank you and shorah
(06/05 22:45:24)  TomVal: RU-related stuff?
(06/05 22:45:29)  TomVal: Will be the newspaper concerned with events, or also with other URU-related stuff?
(06/05 22:45:33)  Luna(nne): we use scriblus or so tanshhin
(06/05 22:45:37)  Luna(nne): yeah of course!
(06/05 22:45:40)  OHBJECTION!: pokemon they might be looking for article writers. you might enjoy that
(06/05 22:45:55)  Luna(nne): just more indepth stories and interviews etc,. then the old one
(06/05 22:45:58)  Pokemon71096: oh i have an idea sorry
(06/05 22:46:04)  GoMe Marten: Oh, we're also, I think, always looking for additional translators for the news on our site.  OHB mentioned that OHBot can handle up to 30 languages.  We only handle 7 or so, I think.  o.o
(06/05 22:46:22)  Luna(nne): but pokemonwhat is your idea?
(06/05 22:46:28)  Luna(nne): *pokemon what
(06/05 22:46:35)  Pokemon71096: there should be a section about myst #1 or other myst games etc.
(06/05 22:46:45)  Pokemon71096: lik a column
(06/05 22:46:48)  Luna(nne): we might run a history section kind of thing
(06/05 22:46:53)  OHBJECTION!: i don't think they would have thought about that bafore. brilliant idea!
(06/05 22:46:54)  Pokemon71096: *like
(06/05 22:47:02)  Tanshin: A little feature column may be neat
(06/05 22:47:07) Tanshin thinks about donuts
(06/05 22:47:08) Lynnutte nods her head
(06/05 22:47:14)  Pokemon71096: coming from a guy who has only played myst and Moul
(06/05 22:47:14)  Luna(nne): but anything on the old games is hard since there will be nothing new to mention
(06/05 22:47:19)  OHBJECTION!: We'll call it Pokemon's Corner
(06/05 22:47:31)  Pokemon71096: um sure...
(06/05 22:47:35) Gabby claps her hands
(06/05 22:47:45)  OHBJECTION!: maybe you could make some trading cards to put in your column?
(06/05 22:47:49)  Marcus Wheeler: Pokemon Center? Heh...
(06/05 22:47:52)  Pokemon71096: i can write it if thats what u meean
(06/05 22:47:58)  janaba: great :-)
(06/05 22:47:59)  Pokemon71096: why not?
(06/05 22:48:12)  D'Ana: pokemon has a copyright
(06/05 22:48:16)  Pokemon71096: wait there is an ipod app that lets u create pokemon cards
(06/05 22:48:28) TomVal prefers copyleft better
(06/05 22:48:36)  Pokemon71096: so i can make one for sirus atrus etc.
(06/05 22:48:39) Gabby laughs
(06/05 22:48:48) Allan White strongly supports TomVals opinion
(06/05 22:48:55)  Pokemon71096: but ya copyrights of Pokemon and cyan
(06/05 22:50:01)  GoMe Marten: Anything else about the once and future newspaper or whatever we're going to call it?
(06/05 22:50:02)  Kaelis Ebonrai: <3 copyleft
(06/05 22:50:19)  Pokemon71096: yes a name i have!
(06/05 22:50:21)  OHBJECTION!: i think the font should be orange
(06/05 22:50:25)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I'm a big fan of Copyleft, such that my art content is usually under a copyleft license, Tom.
(06/05 22:50:27)  Lynnutte: lol
(06/05 22:50:28)  OHBJECTION!: and ohbot should have a column
(06/05 22:50:32)  Christian Walther: less than three copies left?
(06/05 22:50:34)  GoMe Marten: OHB> Shocking, I am so shocked at your ideas :)
(06/05 22:50:42)  OHBJECTION!: he'll fill it with his usual drivel
(06/05 22:50:51)  Kaelis Ebonrai: thanks, christian =P
(06/05 22:50:53)  janaba: yes OHB :-)
(06/05 22:50:56)  Pokemon71096: "D'ni umm.
(06/05 22:51:03)  Pokemon71096: cant think of a name
(06/05 22:51:11)  Pokemon71096: i lied about having one
(06/05 22:51:13)  Lynnutte: I think we should call it "Some More"
(06/05 22:51:16)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I personally liked The Spelunker. =P
(06/05 22:51:26)  Pokemon71096: i thot the othr\er idea on the spot
(06/05 22:51:36)  Pokemon71096: ya Speluler
(06/05 22:51:38)  OHBJECTION!: How about "The Daily Linker"?
(06/05 22:51:52)  Pokemon71096: it would also be a reference to Spelunx
(06/05 22:51:57)  Rilo: was about to write that one lol
(06/05 22:51:57)  GoMe Marten: Ooh, I like that.  (Linker.)
(06/05 22:52:00)  Gabby: Dini'ets?
(06/05 22:52:03)  TomVal: <a href="...anything...">
(06/05 22:52:26)  Pokemon71096: "The BAhro Times"
(06/05 22:52:35)  Lynnutte: can bahro read?
(06/05 22:52:40)  Rilo: The Cavern Post
(06/05 22:52:42)  OHBJECTION!: yep
(06/05 22:52:46)  Lynnutte: I like that one
(06/05 22:52:47)  Rilo: bahro write books
(06/05 22:52:50)  Pokemon71096: "From the Desk of Atrus"
(06/05 22:52:53)  Lynnutte: true. lol
(06/05 22:52:54)  Allan White: Let's write in Bahroglyphs, then.
(06/05 22:52:56)  OHBJECTION!: NO!!!!!!!! It should be called "The Daily Objection"
(06/05 22:53:03)  Lynnutte: I OHBJECT!
(06/05 22:53:06)  Pokemon71096: OBJECTION OVERRULED
(06/05 22:53:10)  Lynnutte: LOL
(06/05 22:53:17)  Kaelis Ebonrai: the bahro weave cloths, and make stone tablets >.>
(06/05 22:53:17)  Musica2: The D'ni Voice
(06/05 22:53:18)  Tanshin: Don't you mean OHBJECTION OVERRULED
(06/05 22:53:21)  Pokemon71096: that would be more like a ace attorney mag
(06/05 22:53:21)  GoMe Marten: Anyone curious to offer more suggestions, there is a "Relaunch" forum in the "GoMe Newspaper" portion of our forum. :)
(06/05 22:53:26)  Lynnutte: I like that too Musica
(06/05 22:53:31)  Marcus Wheeler: The Great Scream?
(06/05 22:53:46) Gabby laughs
(06/05 22:53:48)  Pokemon71096: no one can hear u inside the earth
(06/05 22:53:56)  GoMe Marten: Musica> DMom has a claim on that name. :)
(06/05 22:54:04)  Pokemon71096: "Kerath's Times"
(06/05 22:54:08)  fallcer37: Have a naming contest
(06/05 22:54:08)  Gabby: So nice to hear so many ideas
(06/05 22:54:13)  janaba: I'm for The D'ni Voice as well :-)
(06/05 22:54:28)  Kaelis Ebonrai: The D'ni Voice is... uh
(06/05 22:54:30)  janaba: a claim?
(06/05 22:54:32)  Pokemon71096: wait doesnt that already exist
(06/05 22:54:32)  Gabby: Hold a vote
(06/05 22:54:34)  Musica2: how about "The D'ni Word"
(06/05 22:54:37)  Abjab: "The Daily Scream" ?
(06/05 22:54:49)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Held by DMon. =P
(06/05 22:54:51)  janaba: ahh, oh my, I remember :-)
(06/05 22:54:51)  Kaelis Ebonrai: *DMom
(06/05 22:54:55)  Marcus Wheeler: The Daily Zandi?
(06/05 22:54:59)  Pokemon71096: "Stuck in the D'ni"
(06/05 22:55:13)  Allan White: We'll start a poll on that on the GoMe forum, I guess.
(06/05 22:55:18)  Gabby: Through the ages of time
(06/05 22:55:21)  Marcus Wheeler: Hehe, should be fun
(06/05 22:55:27)  Musica2: Then it would have to be called "Zandi's Folly" Marcus
(06/05 22:55:27)  janaba: yeah, for a poll!!! :-)
(06/05 22:55:28)  GoMe Marten: Shorah, Whilyam.
(06/05 22:55:30) Marcus Wheeler claps his hands
(06/05 22:55:31)  Gabby: S
(06/05 22:55:32) OHBJECTION! is using URU BabelBot...                                   
(06/05 22:55:33)  Pokemon71096: Isnt the dni word already exist
(06/05 22:55:34)  Allan White: Shorah back, Lunanne.
(06/05 22:55:35) Whilyam waves hello
(06/05 22:55:37)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Ahoy, Whil!
(06/05 22:55:42)  Luna(nne): soory my laptop battery decided to die
(06/05 22:55:52)  janaba: hey Whilyam :-)
(06/05 22:56:02)  GoMe Marten: Well, anyway - we are looking for suggestions and are pleased to hear so many even now :)
(06/05 22:56:12)  Gabby: Lol
(06/05 22:56:12)  Pokemon71096: DOESNT THE DNI VOICE ALREADY EXIST?
(06/05 22:56:19)  OHBJECTION!: yes
(06/05 22:56:26)  GoMe Marten: Pokemon> Yes, it does.  It's Dmom's publication.  We won't infringe on that.
(06/05 22:56:33)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Whil: I hear the Bahro Can't Decide - whether you should live or die? >.>
(06/05 22:56:37) Whilyam points
(06/05 22:56:37)  Whilyam: OHBJECTION!
(06/05 22:56:38)  Pokemon71096: "Kerath's Wrath"
(06/05 22:56:40)  Kaelis Ebonrai: sorry, injoke.
(06/05 22:56:45)  OHBJECTION!: STFU!
(06/05 22:56:47)  OHBJECTION!: :)
(06/05 22:56:51)  Whilyam: NO U!
(06/05 22:56:55)  OHBJECTION!: lol
(06/05 22:56:58)  Kaelis Ebonrai: The Bevin OHBJECTION!
(06/05 22:56:58)  Marcus Wheeler: . . .
(06/05 22:57:10)  OHBJECTION!: HOOD ohbection!
(06/05 22:57:11) Pokemon71096 does te Robot so he can join the Guild of Robots
(06/05 22:57:12)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Sorry, this is a bit of an injoke. =P
(06/05 22:57:30)  GoMe Marten: Lynnutte has resumed leadership of the Cavern Criers, as I mentioned earlier.  Lynnutte is also the original founder of the group.  Lynnutte, did you want to say a few things about that?
(06/05 22:57:30)  D'Ana: i would like to advertise in the paper for my shop The Bahro Pizza Hut, behind the table in Ae'gura
(06/05 22:57:36)  Pokemon71096: uncle ray's pupu1
(06/05 22:57:44)  Lynnutte: About the cavern criers?
(06/05 22:57:49)  GoMe Marten: Yes :)
(06/05 22:57:53) TomVal is using URU BabelBot...                                   
(06/05 22:58:04)  Lynnutte: Well, for those that don't know about the Cavern Criers...
(06/05 22:58:21)  Lynnutte: We pass out information about events and groups and such in a KI mail.
(06/05 22:59:06)  Lynnutte: We are always looking for people to help us pass out these KI mails, so if you are interested, please contact me or anyone else in the guild.
(06/05 22:59:18)  Lynnutte: You can also leave a message on the GoMe website.
(06/05 22:59:29)  OHBJECTION!: Bahro Pizza? I don't want a pizza topped with grilled bahro!
(06/05 22:59:31)  Pokemon71096: Oooh! I have a name!
(06/05 22:59:43)  Lynnutte: That's it for me. lol
(06/05 22:59:47)  OHBJECTION!: yes you do. it's pokemon
(06/05 22:59:48)  Whilyam: Is it canon?!
(06/05 22:59:54)  Pokemon71096: "The Descent Gazette"
(06/05 23:00:02)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Too late, its canon now, Whil!
(06/05 23:00:08)  janaba: lol
(06/05 23:00:12)  Pokemon71096: ?
(06/05 23:00:16)  OHBJECTION!: I still vote for "The Daily Objection"
(06/05 23:00:24)  Lynnutte: I still OHBJECT. lol
(06/05 23:00:26)  Whilyam: "What would RAWA do?"
(06/05 23:00:33) Lynnutte starts to laugh
(06/05 23:00:34)  OHBJECTION!: lol
(06/05 23:00:35)  Tanshin: Let's get a wingrovism for this
(06/05 23:00:35) Marcus Wheeler nervously checks KI watch
(06/05 23:00:41)  Marcus Wheeler: Sorry guys, I'm going to have to clock out
(06/05 23:00:42)  Abjab: Naww..The KIREK Objection
(06/05 23:00:43)  Tanshin: How about the Mid East Press?
(06/05 23:00:44)  OHBJECTION!: HAHA!
(06/05 23:00:46)  Abjab: Kirel
(06/05 23:00:52)  Kaelis Ebonrai: LOL
(06/05 23:00:53)  Lynnutte: Bye Marcus
(06/05 23:00:54)  OHBJECTION!: HAHAHAH!
(06/05 23:00:59)  Tanshin: Bye Marcus!
(06/05 23:01:01) OHBJECTION! is laughing so hard
(06/05 23:01:01)  Marcus Wheeler: I'll be around tomorrow hopefully, and hopefully I'll see you all there
(06/05 23:01:09)  Pokemon71096: "Ohbot Times"
(06/05 23:01:14)  GoMe Marten: I think that's it for the Messengers.  So, today, we've heard from Subterranean Restorations, the Maintainers, the Writers, the Greeters, the Guild of Robots, and the Messengers.  Anyone else have a group they wish to represent?
(06/05 23:01:20)  janaba: bye Marcus :-)
(06/05 23:01:35)  OHBJECTION!: The Guild of Ohbjectors would like to take the stage to announce their OWN newspaper...
(06/05 23:01:36)  GoMe Marten: Thanks for attending (and helping to run things), Marcus!
(06/05 23:01:37)  Pokemon71096: umm i sorta do...
(06/05 23:02:00)  Pokemon71096: Can someone give info on newbs who want to join a guild?
(06/05 23:02:12)  Luna(nne): go to the guilds forum
(06/05 23:02:13)  Allan White: That's what this fair's for.
(06/05 23:02:19)  janaba: oh, missed SR and Maintainers... did anybody log this all?
(06/05 23:02:21)  Luna(nne): all take members except the greeters
(06/05 23:02:22)  Pokemon71096: thx
(06/05 23:02:27)  OHBJECTION!: Pokemon, if you want to join a guild, speak to a member of that guild. each group as different policies
(06/05 23:02:33)  Allan White: I did janaba.
(06/05 23:02:36)  OHBJECTION!: *has
(06/05 23:02:36)  Tanshin: The GoMe is located at http://guildofmessengers.com
(06/05 23:02:37)  Pokemon71096: thx
(06/05 23:02:40)  Kaelis Ebonrai: I logged it at well.
(06/05 23:02:43)  GoMe Marten: A link to the log will be posted on the Myst Online forum soon :)
(06/05 23:02:46)  janaba: oh, wonderful, Allan :-)
(06/05 23:02:47)  Luna(nne): okay
(06/05 23:02:48)  Tanshin: Don't remember the others at the moment
(06/05 23:02:49)  Pokemon71096: I M NT INTERESTTED INGOME
(06/05 23:02:58)  Allan White: Or http://rel.to/gome alternatively.
(06/05 23:03:00)  Tanshin: Calm down Pokemon
(06/05 23:03:05)  Luna(nne): you can talk without capslock
(06/05 23:03:06)  Pokemon71096: sorry kj
(06/05 23:03:08)  GoMe Marten: Pokemon, which guild, or are you asking more generally?
(06/05 23:03:14)  Tanshin: I'd imagine that rel.to has the other guilds on it...
(06/05 23:03:17) janaba claps and cheers for and thanks the Messengers :-)
(06/05 23:03:21)  Pokemon71096: Well writers mainlt
(06/05 23:03:23)  Luna(nne): yes it has
(06/05 23:03:23) janaba claps her hands
(06/05 23:03:24) OHBJECTION! continues to laugh
(06/05 23:03:46)  Pokemon71096: but GoMa sound nice too. and GoC
(06/05 23:04:13)  GoMe Marten: The Writers can be found at guildofwriters.com, and the maintainers at guildofmaintainers.org.  I always get the .com and .org (and .net) addresses confused, so you can also use http://rel.to/gow and http://rel.to/goma to reach each, respectively.
(06/05 23:04:36)  OHBJECTION!: guildogreeters.com too
(06/05 23:04:38)  OHBJECTION!: *of
(06/05 23:04:48)  Tanshin: Guild o Greeters?
(06/05 23:04:54)  Tanshin: That should be our name next St. Pat's day
(06/05 23:04:56)  OHBJECTION!: guildogreeters is only for irish people. everyone else goes to guildOFgreeters.com
(06/05 23:05:04) Pokemon71096 laughs
(06/05 23:05:11)  Lynnutte: LOL
(06/05 23:05:14) White Knight smiles
(06/05 23:05:18)  GoMe Marten: Messengers are at guildofmessengers.com, Greeters at guildofgreeters.com (or, greetersguild.com).... those are http://rel.to/gome and http://rel.to/gog respectively.
(06/05 23:05:21) janaba starts to laugh
(06/05 23:05:22) D'Ana starts to laugh
(06/05 23:05:30)  Pokemon71096: and crtographers?
(06/05 23:05:37)  Allan White: They're dead.
(06/05 23:05:38)  cscarlett73@att.net (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(06/05 23:05:41)  Allan White: Umm, I mean...
(06/05 23:05:42) Pokemon71096 omg
(06/05 23:05:45)  Kaelis Ebonrai: the exist.. sorta.
(06/05 23:05:47)  OHBJECTION!: OHBot is Irish. His name's from the old Irish o'Hbot
(06/05 23:05:50)  Kaelis Ebonrai: but not really. =P
(06/05 23:05:52)  Luna(nne): nalatas is a cartographer I think
(06/05 23:05:53) From GoMe Marten: Cartographers are at www.cates-associates.net/uru - or you can use http://rel.to/goc
(06/05 23:05:58)  Allan White: ...They aren't too many people there.
(06/05 23:05:59)  Kaelis Ebonrai: he's about the only one.
(06/05 23:06:01)  Pokemon71096: who?
(06/05 23:06:02)  Luna(nne): but indeed they don't do a lot currently
(06/05 23:06:06)  Kaelis Ebonrai: *she's
(06/05 23:06:12)  GoMe Marten: Cartographers are at www.cates-associates.net/uru - or you can use http://rel.to/goc
(06/05 23:06:21)  Luna(nne): but  we shouldn't call them dead I thinl
(06/05 23:06:23)  Luna(nne): *think
(06/05 23:06:27)  Kaelis Ebonrai: ell...
(06/05 23:06:28)  Pokemon71096: rel.to is helpful
(06/05 23:06:30)  Kaelis Ebonrai: *well..
(06/05 23:06:37)  Allan White: Yeah... Their shirts survived...
(06/05 23:06:38)  Luna(nne): enough groups and websites have died already
(06/05 23:06:54)  Abjab: Publish a list of the Reltos at next Cavern Criers ?
(06/05 23:06:58)  GoMe Marten: You can also just visit http://rel.to/guilds and you'll find a list of those guilds, plus others.  And there are a lot of other organizations, listed at http://rel.to/groups
(06/05 23:07:07)  Abjab: ahhh
(06/05 23:07:10)  Pokemon71096: thnx
(06/05 23:07:10)  Tanshin: OH!
(06/05 23:07:15)  Tanshin: I meant to say this
(06/05 23:07:19)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Well, considering there is no activity.. i'd call that dead =P
(06/05 23:07:29)  Pokemon71096: let tansin talk
(06/05 23:07:36)  Tanshin: if I want to add something to rel.to, who do I talk to?
(06/05 23:07:42)  Whilyam: Marten
(06/05 23:07:45)  Luna(nne): Marten
(06/05 23:07:45)  Gabby: But yet you also have those that have gont through the caverns to watch its birth growth end and rebirth
(06/05 23:07:52)  Tanshin: When I get the Public Connection site up, I'll want it on there
(06/05 23:07:59)  GoMe Marten: Feel free to poke around the site.  And let me know if you have suggestions for rel.to, or if you have php and mysql programming knowledge and are interested in helping improve the site, contact me right away!
(06/05 23:08:23)  Gabby: They are still finding a way yes
(06/05 23:08:25)  Tanshin: I probably should talk about the status of the Public Connection
(06/05 23:08:35)  Luna(nne): and I have take a stroll on the Uru graveyard
(06/05 23:08:40)  Luna(nne): *taken
(06/05 23:08:47)  Tanshin: Currently you can see the in progress website at http://publicmoul.nintendoaddict.com
(06/05 23:08:53) OHBJECTION! is a PHP/MySQL developer. That's what makes OHBot work :)
(06/05 23:08:54)  Luna(nne): and don't think more groups should end there
(06/05 23:09:05)  TomVal: Guild of Cartographers made maps with cloths of garden ages
(06/05 23:09:07)  Pokemon71096: question1
(06/05 23:09:07)  Tanshin: RIght now links and accounts don't work, but I'm hoping to get the database backing in there soon
(06/05 23:09:20)  Pokemon71096: What does that group DO?
(06/05 23:09:24)  Tanshin: If I can't get with my friend to get it going, I may be talking to OHB
(06/05 23:09:27)  GoMe Marten: What is "Public Connection" and its purpose, Tanshin?  This is something I'd not heard about.
(06/05 23:09:35)  Pokemon71096: Tell the public about URU?
(06/05 23:09:51)  Tanshin: The Public Connection is a project that EccentricOne took on a little while back that offers a shared age for everbody to use
(06/05 23:09:55)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Luna: While I appreciate that many have gone that way before... to all intents and purposes, the GoC has, as well.
(06/05 23:10:07)  Tanshin: Right now we'll have multiple people running the avatar to be handling the invites
(06/05 23:10:22) Pokemon71096 does a dance
(06/05 23:10:23)  Whilyam: GoC had some talented people in it. Nice maps.
(06/05 23:10:29)  Tanshin: The purpose of the site is to see if somebody is using it as well as where to try and find it or contact it
(06/05 23:10:34)  Kaelis Ebonrai: It really did, yeah, Whil :<
(06/05 23:10:35)  Whilyam: Problem is no one's there anymore.
(06/05 23:10:55) Abjab cannot say enough for the GoCartographers talent
(06/05 23:11:00)  Pokemon71096: Y'know what group i miss? MIRI.
(06/05 23:11:04)  GoMe Marten: (Anyone wanting to know more about GoC or wanting to help revitalize it should probably contact Nalates.)
(06/05 23:11:09)  Abjab: NO..Nalates is
(06/05 23:11:17)  Tanshin: That'll hopefully be complete and ready to go soon (within the next month I hope)
(06/05 23:11:31)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Abjab: hm?
(06/05 23:11:34)  Christian Walther: Tanshin, there was someone else doing that already... have you talked to him, or has he gone missing? Kenguin, I think?
(06/05 23:11:45)  Tanshin: As far as I know he was missing
(06/05 23:11:50) Luna(nne) thinks we should not discourage people whoa re interested in the Cartographers
(06/05 23:11:52)  Tanshin: That's what I gathered from the topic on the forum
(06/05 23:12:03)  Christian Walther: OK
(06/05 23:12:06) Abjab refers all to the GoCartographers 'Constitution' definitions..everyone should use it
(06/05 23:12:14)  Tanshin: I pretty much only know from when Eccentric took it on and forward
(06/05 23:12:43)  Luna(nne): but I should be going
(06/05 23:12:47) Luna(nne) waves goodbye
(06/05 23:12:53) Allan White waves goodbye
(06/05 23:12:59)  Allan White: Bye Lunanne
(06/05 23:13:04)  Kaelis Ebonrai: Abjab: I don't understand?
(06/05 23:13:05)  janab